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Despite FCC's Promise To Take Aggressive Action To Stamp Out Radio Pirates, Illegal Stations Are Flourishing (newyorker.com)

Last year, when Donald Trump appointed Ajit Pai chairman of the F.C.C., Pai promised to "take aggressive action" to stamp out pirates. In early May, the Preventing Illegal Radio Abuse Through Enforcement, or PIRATE, Act was introduced in Congress; it would increase fines from a maximum of a hundred and forty-four thousand dollars to two million dollars. But the stations aren't going away, The New Yorker reports. From the article: Transmission equipment has only become cheaper and more sophisticated. "The problem, as I see it, is that the technology has gone beyond what the law has been able to do," said David Goren, a local resident who works as a producer on licensed radio shows. Between 87.9 and 92.1 FM, Goren counted eleven illegal stations, whose hosts mainly spoke Creole or accented English. Pirates, he said, "offer a kind of programming that their audiences depend on. Spiritual sustenance, news, immigration information, music created at home or in the new home, here."

198 comments

  1. Is there an app for that? by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pirate radio? They should make an app for that. Maybe call it Arrrrrrrdio?

    Don't worry, I'll show myself out

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    1. Re: Is there an app for that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guerilla radio? Turn that shit up!

    2. Re:Is there an app for that? by martinfb · · Score: 1

      That is funny. I wanted to rate this "Funny", yet did not have the option.

      Do you mind if I perpetuate the term "Arrrrrdio"?

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  2. Pro-regulation conservatives by fibonacci8 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The fight against the free market continues. Can't be having people saying just anything over unused radio frequencies. Or the internet...

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    1. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The public airwaves are not a free market and never have been. They've always been tightly regulated.

    3. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      The public airwaves are not a free market and never have been. They've always been tightly regulated.

      Shhh...

      GP "progressive" thinks he's uncovered some Earth-shattering revelation about conservatives that will help defeat Trump in 2020.

      Don't burst his bubble - unless of course you WANT to see another "progressive" head explode. :-D

    4. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Defending over-regulation to own the libs... that's a new one.

    5. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but he's got a daytime job.

    6. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by registrations_suck · · Score: 2

      The public airwaves are not a free market and never have been. They've always been tightly regulated.

      No they haven't. They were around a long time before government decided to regulate them.

    7. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can't be having people saying just anything over unused radio frequencies.

      There are no unused radio frequencies.

      What you think are "unused frequencies" are actually used by a station far enough away that YOU can't hear them, but would be interfered with if there was a station using them where you are.

      The fight against the free market continues.

      The use of the public airwaves is not a "free market", it is a licensed market. Almost as soon as radio was invented, reasonable people realized it needed to be controlled so it would stay usable. Imagine YOUR delight when your favorite FM station playing your favorite radical hippy music was covered up by a paging system because there were no laws regulating who was licensed to do what. "You can get anything you want, at Alice's BRRRFFZZZZZZQQQQQQQQ..." Now imagine if your favorite FM station that you invested money in installing an external antenna so you could get the news and music you wanted from a distance was suddenly covered up by a pirate station two blocks away that played nothing but Devo songs interspersed with profane rants about the FCC.

    8. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Papaspud · · Score: 1

      He's doing alright.....

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    9. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The problem is that they are not entirely unused. They are close enough to licensed broadcasts to cause interference for some listeners. To some degree the situation can be resolved by improving the receivers - DSP filtering can handle closer station spacing than traditional designs - but that would mean that the installed base would be obsolete.

      On the other hand, there are community needs that are not being addressed by the current system. Entire populations are not being reached by existing legal radio stations because they are not sufficiently lucrative to justify the use of an expensive commercial radio license, and the FCC rules make the availability of low power radio licenses for community broadcasting very limited, especially in the densely populated areas that need them most.

      The solution that would provide the greatest public benefit would require existing broadcasters to give up some of their signal coverage to facilitate an expansion of community broadcasting. But that's unlikely to happen, because commercial broadcasters paid millions of dollars for their licenses and are not going to allow an action that would cost them listeners. It would also require some of all of them to cease transmissions in the HD Radio format, which works by expanding the signal into adjacent channels to broadcast its digital sidebands. (HD Radio has the potential benefit of allowing a wider variety of content on FM radio, but in the real world the benefit is very limited because of low adoption of the format.)

    10. Re: Pro-regulation conservatives by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      There is some truth here. Current DSP receiver technology has MUCH more rejection of nearby signals than analog receivers had, even the storied RIMO filters in some fabulously expensive McIntosh tuners. If everybody were using DSP receivers, alternate channels could be used without restriction and even adjacent channels could be used under some circumstances. In less technical terms, that would allow us to double the number of FM broadcast stations.

      But it would require replacing all the older radios because they would now receive unacceptable amounts of interference when the users tried to listen to existing stations. Aside from the fact that people would oppose the idea because of the expense of buying new radios, it would compromise the response to natural disasters for two reasons: there would be fewer radios out in the world that could receive signals during the disaster, and the new DSP radios might consume more power than the cheap old ones they replace and therefore reduce battery life. That could be mitigated by requiring some stations to leave the air during a disaster, allowing reception of the remaining ones with older radios.

      Digital broadcast television now packs in channels much more densely than analog television did, and that's even before counting the existence of subchannels. But it's not because there is anything magic about digital. It's because the adoption of a new standard made all the lousy old receivers obsolete, meaning that the entire base of viewers is now using tuners with DSP filtering.

      Switching to digital radio broadcasting would be a completely different path with its own pros and cons. On the plus side it's another way to increase the capacity of the band, as each existing channel could carry a number of digital subchannels. (How many depends on what level of audio quality we're willing to accept.) And it would make all the old poorly designed equipment obsolete, allowing denser packing of the band. On the other hand, it would eliminate all existing pirate operations and legal low power stations and make them much more scarce for a while, because the digital transmission equipment is currently not inexpensive - good for the big broadcasters, bad for community broadcasters. A wholesale switch to digital broadcasting would seriously impact the usefulness of FM radio for disaster response because there would be no existing base of compatible receivers, and the new digital receivers would be costly at the start.

    11. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      It's slightly more complicated. In some cases those frequencies ARE unused for somebody with a state of the art radio receiver, but not for a listener with the kind of radio that most people own. State of the art in this case means DSP filtering and reception; analog technologies need not apply.

    12. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...that played nothing but Devo songs interspersed with profane rants about the FCC

      Brb, looking for a transmitter on AliBaba

    13. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      In some cases those frequencies ARE unused for somebody with a state of the art radio receiver

      It is not up to an owner of a "state of the art" (whatever that means) radio receiver to determine if a frequency is unused.

      analog technologies need not apply.

      The US FM broadcast band is, despite any rumors you might have heard to the contrary, still analog.

    14. Re:Pro-regulation conservatives by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The FM broadcast band uses an analog modulation technique. But that doesn't mean that digital technology can't be used to receive it. Or transmit it, for that matter. The current state of the art involves both, though much of the installed base has not caught up.

      The point I was making is that the definition of "unused" isn't as simple as all that. How densely you can pack signals into radio spectrum is highly dependent on the kinds of receivers that people are using. We could significantly increase the number of FM broadcast stations that would be allowed on the air if we could magically replace the entire installed base with 2018 DSP-based radios. That's not likely to happen because it would make a huge number of radios that people already own obsolete, but it is true in terms of technology.

  3. Spin Vs. Reality.... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The reality is that the FCC is an underfunded and incompetent extension of the RF industry. They will attempt to protect broadcast spectrum, and fail. While leaving the rest of the spectrum to rot on the tree.

    They rarely enforce and have been reduced, through ongoing budget reductions, to in some cases turning the enforcement over to the actual users of licensed spectrum. They've closed there local offices, fired their engineers, all while giving lip service to the job they should be doing. Heck- I'm pretty sure they do not even have the ability to triangulate to find a pirate station.

    They don't even stop illegal radio equipment from being imported- then sold everywhere from big box stores to truck stops.

    Good luck... They cannot even clean up problem frequencies where *everyone* knows who the offenders are.

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    1. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

      That was the original job of the FCC. To make sure your transmitter was operating correctly. Then later they became the morality police and lately people think they should control the internet. I don't believe they are the right agency for that job. The only powers they have are issuing fines and managing licenses. It must be where I live but I have yet to hear any pirate FM stations or even shortwave pirates on 6925KHz. I heard a guy in West Virginia who thought it was still the 1970s on his kilowatt CB rig. He was stronger than any of the local CB guys.

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    2. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The real issue with this is that LPFM system is completely broken. I've personally had to resort to beg forgiveness, rather than operate within the bounds of the law... because they simply won't allow me to be a legal radio operator. I make sure to play nice, and only broadcast on open channels and regularly check to see if I'm stepping on a licensed broadcaster's spectrum... buy yeah, there is no option to be legal.

      The whole thing is quite stupid.

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      The Geek in Black
      I know my BCD's (when I'm Sober)
    3. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      This is outright wrong. The FCC are one of the few agencies you don't want to fuck with.

    4. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 1

      "They cannot even clean up problem frequencies where *everyone* knows who the offenders are"

      Not necessarily true.

      Just recently they proposed handing down a huge fine to a hobby company (HobbyKing) for the sale of non-compliant video transmitters (FPV) for model aircraft and drone use.

      Then they issued this warning which may just be sabre-rattling but does show that they're trying to do something.

    5. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      Spectrum in populated areas across the USA is tight. Even tiny stations have to ensure they don't interfere with others. If you're operating outside the bounds of your license (if you have one), then you do others a great disservice, and add to the increasing madness on the airwaves. I dislike the FCC as much as the next person, but you do both listeners and broadcasters a great dissservice. There is no inherent right to broadcast on licensed bands, the world over. It's not in the UN Charter of Human Rights. You make up your own rules to follow your own ego. Therein is the crux of the piracy problem.

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    6. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by v1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That was the original job of the FCC. To make sure your transmitter was operating correctly.

      Well, that and to prevent stations from accidentally (or deliberately) interfering with each other.

      I recal a story from many years ago where several stations had promised live coverage of a (baseball?) game and there were several station trucks at the statdium trying to provide live scores. Things escalated, until they basically were all just belting out full power broad spectrum so that "if my report can't get through to the station, neither can yours", and as a result nobody was able to provide live coverage and reports had to be made to the stations by runners.

      That's the big thing they started to deal with, and to some degree that's what their core work still is. Their #1 goal right now from what I can tell is to prevent disruption of important and emergency communications. They go after individuals that disrupt police/ambulance/fire dispatch for example, or that try to jam TV station satellite links. They also dedicate some of their limited resources into radio and tv station licensing, mainly to coordinate frequency allocation and prevent nearby stations from interfering with each other by limiting their power and adjusting their antenna coverage patterns.

      More recently they've had to start dealing with cell phone and wifi jammers, mostly in venues where businesses are selling or restricting wireless internet access. (they also insure 9-1-1 access, as we've seen a big carrier recently get the smack-down for dropping for 5 hrs in a region)

      They just don't have the time, manpower, or finances to do much else nowadays. Even the kilowatt CB stations are mostly being ignored. The only time they're going to bother with that is if they are interfering with something local. The FCC publishes their enforcements online (sorry I foet where) and I've browsed them a few times. The handful of CB stations they've gone after have indeed been the high powered stations, but only when they were interfering with a sheriff or ambulance dispatcher's repeater etc.

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    7. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Sure thing, let me know when the next open window is to file my papers... oh, that's right, it's never happened. If I could be legal, I would. But for now, and until they get their house in order, I'll just have to run my low power stations (that give non-profits a voice) as best I can.

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      The Geek in Black
      I know my BCD's (when I'm Sober)
    8. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you just HAVE TO broadcast, eh? You're compelled to sully the airwaves with whatever. Can't live without being on the air?

      Lots of people waited a long time, and went through the drill, and got licensed, and operate legally. Why can't you? What makes you so special?

      They have their house in order, but apparently you can't. That's no rationalization for ruining the airwaves for others.

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    9. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 2

      No LPFM application filing window period is presently scheduled.

      When a new filing window period is scheduled, it will be announced via Public Notice and posted on the FCC's web site, in several locations, including this web page, at least 30 days before the start of the filing period. We regret that we are not able to provide personal or advance notice to interested parties. All applications must be electronically filed. [The last filing period as in October 2013.]

      (source)

      Soon as they let me file, I'll listen to what they have to say. (and by the way, law is not the fount of righteousness)

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    10. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      postbigbang, when ALL broadcast spectrum is license-only, you don't have a leg to stand on with that attitude.

    11. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      Until then, you just gotta broadcast, right? Compelled to broadcast! Can't live without broadcasting?

      You didn't answer those questions. What is it that compels you to squat on the airwaves over the rest of us? Is it some secret important message? Not hearing enough Black Sabbath? Your message must be heard? What is it? Why do you have to not only flaunt the law, but believe you're better than everyone else and can do it no matter the consequences? Are laws and civility made for other people and not you? Do tell.

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    12. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 2

      One of my stations provides two hours a week of assisted listening for town hall meetings for a community that can't afford anything more than what can be had at the dollar general.

      One covers a town of about 2000 people that sits in a valley that has no FM radio reception the than my station (not even PBS/NPR).

      Another is a radio station that gives news in Vietnamese so that they have a native language option.

      None of these are for profit, or could even turn a profit f I wanted them to... there's actual legal option for them, and in my (and others) opinion they provide a lot more good existing, than if they didn't. We'd rather they were legal, but there's simply no other solution.

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    13. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... no legal option... I love typos.

    14. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 1

      I'll sleep soundly doing the right thing. I hope you can do the same.

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      The Geek in Black
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    15. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Altruism doesn't give you a pass. Such rationalisms are the crux of narcissistic behavior. Living in a civilized world means looking after everyone, and deeply at your own motives.

      Rationalizing incivility leads to a lot of the evil that the world sees today. You're not a hero, only a cowboy with an exciter.

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    16. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this the hill you want to die on? You're preaching to the wrong choir, and looking like an asshole the whole time. Been taking lessons from Cheetolini?

    17. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      Name one US federal TLA agency that you do want to fuck with.

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    18. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 0

      In the real world, I see small stations struggling to be heard. Ones that went through the stupid drill "enforced" by the FCC. I'm no fascist. I see the NRA use similar "altruistic" motives to justify their evil, preying on fear.

      The airwaves are becoming dominated by religious broadcaster, lockstep with Trump and his minions. Oversight by the FCC is profoundly weak, serving commercial donors to political parties and lobbying organizations. Therein lies the crux of the airwaves problem: money.

      Not all problems have a root in The Cheeto, although he's a poster child for manipulation and divisiveness to maintain control. This isn't about control, rather, it's about a civil society.

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    19. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 1

      I love the turn about... so this profoundly weak agency that is patently unfair, has sold out our voice to people who parrot fascism, and doesn't even take applications unless you grease the proper palms, has their house in order?!; And this gives you the moral right to say altruism is inherently selfish?

      I need the brain upgrade you have, I can only hold like 3 bits of contradictory thought in my head at a time.

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    20. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Throwing out the baby with the bathwater is never a good idea. The history of the FCC is both sordid and has bright moments in it. The current regime is patently sold-out, IMHO. But this wasn't always the case.

      I didn't believe that the prior head of the FCC, once of The Telecoms, would be fair, but he turned out to be a real advocate for the citizenry, not the corporate block.

      No matter who's in charge, there is a price for civility, and that's not-insurrection. Insurrection often follows fascism, as liberated people grasp for rules among the slingshot of freedom. Civility is the rubber band that keeps us remembering that peace is a function of the elasticity of that rubber band.

      Cutting (actually altering) the funding of the FCC means that like other agencies, they've moved into a PR phase where they bark loudly, and forgot the stick, save a few emblematic cases.

      When these agencies are weak, people will take advantage of their weaknesses, as you have with two unlicensed stations. Drug companies are starting to walk all over the FTC and more. The wolves are in the hen house, to use rural metaphor. Constant cutting of IRS funding has made it incredibly weak and lacking in enforcement as well. Think it's a plot? Some do.

      But it's not an excuse for abuse. That rubber band can snap and anarchy and revolt ensue. Tightened, it looks a lot like fascism or worse. Others have successfully gone through the drill. You can, too. Yeah, lots of bureaucracy. I deal with it, as do others. Doing so, we remain civil. Doesn't mean we can't bitch about it, and try and reform it.

      May I suggest quantum brain, where >3bits is ok and encouraged.

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    21. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a scumbag. Your broadcasts are trash in the already packed band.

    22. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until then, you just gotta broadcast, right? Compelled to broadcast! Can't live without broadcasting?

      Irrelevant. The airwaves belong to ALL of us.

      There was never any reasonable claim that there needs to be a monopoly on *WHO* can use the airwaves, only that there needs to be a monopoly on *the frequency* broadcast upon.
      That was the sole reason the FCC came into existence.

      If you and I both wish to broadcast in the same area, we can't (couldn't actually, but still) both do so on the same frequency without it screwing with each other.

      We, the people, decided it is in everyone's best interests to provide for management of those frequencies, so no two entities use the same ones in the same area.

      That means the solution is you get a monopoly on your frequency, I get a monopoly on mine, and those two are different from each other.

      What we never agreed to is the current situation, where you get a monopoly on your frequency, and I am not allowed to play at all, despite everything else being the same.

      If I can and will pay the same amount for that monopoly you do, and there are open frequencies for me to be allocated, the FCC has no right to exclude me personally while not excluding you.
      That is the situation we are now in, and that is the aspect being objected to.

      To answer your question directly:

      Why do you have to not only flaunt the law, but believe you're better than everyone else and can do it no matter the consequences?

      Why do you believe the government made by and of the people has any right in the first place to MAKE that law to be broken?

      Because you are very wrong in thinking they have such a right. That was never granted to them by us, the people, who are the ONLY ones that can grant rights to the government made up of us.

      Without any right to exclude PEOPLE from using what they naturally have all rights to use, the government is powerless to say anything against it from the start.
      The government has only been given the right to our property, the airwaves, to ensure there are no conflicts of those airwaves between anyone that wants to use them.

      Again, so long as blocks of frequencies are sitting there unallocated and unused, it doesn't matter who I am or aren't, all it matters is I can pay the same as you can.

      So long as that isn't what's being done, we the people who own the airwaves, have every right to complain about the situation and argue tooth and nail for the FCC to do its job. Every right.

      And so long as the FCC is breaking the highest laws of the land, that allow them to exist in the first place, only a simpleton wouldn't be able to see why people might get it in their head that the FCC should be ignored - despite that being the second worst choice to actually go about doing.

      I say second worse only because the absolute worst choice is to encourage and even go so far as to argue in favor of the FCCs continuing of their current harmful and not-permitted behavior.

    23. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 1

      I tried looking into quantum upgrades, but they always collapsed when I observed them. I can definitely agree to civility though, and I try my best to be a mostly good neighbor. When I have the opportunity, or if someone in these poor communities comes up with the scratch to go legal, that's my top priority.

      We disagree on my approach, but I think we both agree the current way of doing things might just be a little broken, and there are a lot of undeserved people out there who deserve better.

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      The Geek in Black
      I know my BCD's (when I'm Sober)
    24. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

      Name one US federal TLA agency that you do want to fuck with.

      As of late, the BLM seems to have become anybody's bitch to fuck with if you are white and have guns.

      Interesting echo of this FCC discussion:

      Bundy has said that he does not recognize federal police power over land that he believes belongs to the "sovereign state of Nevada".

    25. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      But the entire spectrum isn't licensed at all.

      Worse, those living in the licensed spectrum look for journalists, DJs, programmers, producers, all the time, across the USA. Some of the stations are commercial, but there are still many that are not. There is lots of opportunity with licensed entities. Lots.

      If you want to talk on the radio, there loads of unlicensed spectrum waiting for you. There are limitations imposed, largely to prevent bleed-over into other parts of the spectrum-- mostly about power and splatter.

      The spectrum is finite. It's a shared resource, like water and land.

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    26. Re: Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you to decide what others right are? Law does not deifine morality. Paying lots of money to protection rackets doesn't either.

    27. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      calm down bro.

      Alturism does give him a pass, just not legally by an inept gov'ts laws.
      So fuck that government law.
      He's making his own law to see that justice is carried out to the people.
      I like this guy, if everyone were more like him we'd have less rules and more people doing good shit.

      I bet you were the guy who loved seeing his virginal bride get nailed by the local lord back in the day because "thems the rules"

      Why don't you go suck Donald's and Obama's dicks and open your asshole for the gov't to set up camp in.

      OR just have a rational thought, the gov't is not issuing any licenses because of their ineptness and for no other reason. They took power and are not wielding it for the people. Just siting on it while Ajit Pai is giving telco execs handies and bj's. Thats it.

      I say God bless you EnigmaticSource !

    28. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by mikael · · Score: 1

      In the main article, this is a problem in the high-density apartment block areas of New York. Anyone can operate a pirate station simply by installing a transmitter on the roof and running some cable down into an apartment studio. Sometimes they can make use of the existing coaxial cable TV network of the apartment block.

      Legal radio stations can either be non-profit where they are not allowed to run any kind of advertising, or for-profit where they have to pay hefty license fees and are able to charge for advertising. There isn't anything in between.

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    29. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Fair point, but I meant that they rarely issue warnings. If you're running a pirate radio entirely unintentionally (e.g. a kid with a CB radio that's been hacked and they were without a doubt ignorant of all the regulations surrounding it and their parents knew nothing about it) then you might get off with a warning, if you're really lucky. Things as innocent as a wifi antenna with too much power to it will often result in them coming to smash your shit. Anything remotely intentional or where the person should have run into anything relating to the fact regulations exist (e.g. building their own radio would qualify) and it's just straight to prison in most cases. Pretty much every other agency will give you warning if you're not killing or raping and were ignorant, but the FCC will just skip to the part where they have someone push your shit in.

    30. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      heard a guy in West Virginia who thought it was still the 1970s on his kilowatt CB rig. He was stronger than any of the local CB guys

      Cool... with that kind of power he could probably be heard across the country. I wonder if I could have a chat with your Virginia guy by adding a 2kW amplifier and doing some surgery on a 10 meter transceiver to allow transmit on the 27.25 Mhz range.

      For some reason I doubt the FCC is underfunded enough to let THAT happen, though.

    31. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The BLM was entirely in the wrong on that one. A little history:
      • A bunch of ranchers were getting pissed off over common resources and some assholes were claiming land that wasn't theirs while others were getting raped on taxes for land which was theirs but was entirely unsustainable.
      • The group got together and tried to find a way to just share the land so they would stop shooting at each other over border disputes and going bankrupt because it couldn't support the cattle required to pay for it.
      • The BLM offered to "manage" the land for them tax-free as long as they just considered is a shared resource and didn't fight over it, they accepted.
      • Several decades later the Clinton administration pushed the BLM to start charging taxes on it, the ranchers refused to pay because it was public land nobody actually got any use out of and their agreement was in large part that they didn't have to pay taxes on it, grandfathered in by several generations.
      • Over a decade and a half later during the Obama administration a corrupt senator in Nevada took a bribe when a Chinese wind energy company said they wanted the land to build a windfarm.
      • The BLM was tasked with claiming the land and slaughtering the free-range cattle owned by the ranchers.
      • Ranchers got pissed, BLM concocted story about back taxes they were never actually allowed to charge, ranchers stood their ground.
      • Several years later, many "missing" militia members who had come to help defend the Bundy ranch and the surrounding ranchers, and the imprisonment of the Bundies was found to be illegal and they were found innocent of any wrongdoing.

      But it's cool, I know you just hate rural people and wish uncle sam could jab his boot a bit further up everyone's ass.

    32. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      How about the NIH, the BIA (Bureau of Indian Affairs), the DOT, the FHA, and the OMB ?

    33. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 1

      Perhaps no enforcement is better. All I see from the FCCs handling of the broadcast band is that they use it against the community by using their power to cement the monopoly of 100,000 watt globalist megastations with their hollywood drivel that I would not call music. I say abolish the 100,000 watt monopolies and open FM to anyone with a 200-1000 watt power limit for people who live in the community the station will serve to encourage a more locally sourced community thing. The power limit with open access wouild create a 5 mile range thing that would ensure that local people in the community could use the spectrum and that spectrum is reserved for such local stations

    34. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They must have been running unlicensed STLs. Typically, if you have any sense, you would license a spectrum in the are for your gear.

    35. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, this is all for free then?

      You are not selling ad time, but just out of the goodness of your heart right?

      Most pirate sights are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart, but they do it for the ad revenue.

    36. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To EnigmaticSource:

      I've read this whole sub-thread, and even had a reply from postbigbang directly after I pointed out his legal misunderstandings that was about as venomous as his replies to you.

      I hope you don't spend (waste) too much more effort on that guy.
      He is in D&D terms clearly "Lawful Evil", putting all legal constructs (including the illegal laws) above all else, especially the betterment of humanity and the people that the government exists to serve.
      Note that Darth Vader is similar, and no one sees that character as a good guy.

      Anyway, if you're located within a valley in a dead spot, keep firmly in mind that there is no usage of licensed spectrum in that physical area. There is nothing to interfere with.

      If there's no interference there is no way for the licence holder to be aware they have standing to file a complaint.

      It's also exceptionally unlikely anyone down there with you would file a complaint of interference.
      A complaint they are in a dead zone perhaps, but there's not much the FCC can do about that.
      Only the company using that spectrum installing repeaters or a retransmitter would make it a problem of interference.

      So despite breaking the letter of the law, the actual legal violation quite literally affects no one, harms no one, and would be impossible to notice by nearly everyone.

      Short of you looking out the window and seeing an RF survey crew, which would only happen if the actual license holder was spending the money to expand into that dead zone, the FCC would never hear about this.
      They certainly don't proactively search out infractions in this type of situation any longer.

      For what it's worth, I say keep up the good work.

    37. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's no rationalization for ruining the airwaves for others.

      As opposed to 3 Corporations owning 95% of the radio stations, each playing the same 40 songs(in their style/demographic) over and over and over.
      The airwaves are already ruined.

    38. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      They don't even stop illegal radio equipment from being imported- then sold everywhere from big box stores to truck stops.

      Do you want to give them the budget and manpower to do this job well? They do fine and confiscate equipment -- here is one place they list field actions. This includes all kinds of unlicensed and illegal activity. Some of the notices include actions against retailers selling uncertificated radios.

      It's a hard job to catch every radio illegally imported to the US and sold in a small truck stop somewhere. I've brought back radios that are illegal to sell in the US, but because they are ham radios I can use them here. They look just like FRS. Do you want to spend the money training every customs agent to detect the difference? And do you want MORE customs agents searching MORE incoming citizens to stop this? I didn't think so.

      They cannot even clean up problem frequencies where *everyone* knows who the offenders are.

      Do you REALLY want the US legal system to be based on "everyone knows"?

    39. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 2

      Actually yes, every bit of it is done for free with donated hardware; anybody that works on any of the projects I've been involved with gets paid, and often they (and I) go out of pocket with nothing expected in return.

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    40. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by EnigmaticSource · · Score: 1

      Thanks, Ii appreciate it. As for biggsy, it's provided a light bit of entertainment for me; his efforts allowed my offhand venting to reach a wider audience; if only to highlight the idea that right isn't always legal. (who knows, maybe it'll inspire somebody to go out and do something good)

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    41. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      All I see from the FCCs handling of the broadcast band is that they use it against the community by using their power to cement the monopoly of 100,000 watt globalist megastations with their hollywood drivel that I would not call music.

      Are the local college station that is run and programmed by students part of this "monopoly" you are worried about? How about the community station that covers about a 20 mile radius near here? The other community station that covers a 50 mile radius and carries all the appropriate activist radio programs? Are these all part of the "globalist" monopoly?

      The broadcast licensing rules protect THOSE stations just as much as the one you never want to listen to. You might want to stop and think a moment about why the stations you don't want to listen to still exist. If nobody listened, they'd go out of business. There must be enough people with interests that aren't the same as yours to keep them afloat.

      The power limit with open access wouild create a 5 mile range thing

      First, MY community is bigger than 5 miles across. Second, a free-for-all would create a system that was unlistenable. Imagine if you lived on the edge of your "5 mile" community and the next community over decided THEY wanted to broadcast, too. Now you can't listen to your own community because it is interfered with by the "next door neighbors". Is that a productive use of the radio spectrum?

    42. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      I differ. I believe the airwaves own to the humans that populate this Earth. What you advocate is centralized control, so as to avoid the tragedy of the commons.

      However, when oligarchs have captured the commons, the populace is right to disregard said control.

      Oligarchs rely on the poor fighting against their own best interests, sowing the illusion that one may 'rise' within the corrupt system, to also become an oligarch. This is fallacy.

    43. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Some of what you say is true.

      But we're over-fishing the oceans. Over-polluting agricultural areas, leading to vast areas of dead zones in the ocean.

      The earth, like the electromagnet spectrum, is a finite resource. In civil societies, we try to manage sharing these resources. Some will try to dominate, viz the overtaking of spectrum by phone companies and alt.right broadcasters. There are ways to redress this theft.

      The concept of oligarchy is more likely kleptocracy. Without civility, without a method of governance, we're back to being apes, no more than animals-- which we are-- but without that all-important mutual survival conscience.

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    44. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Name one US federal TLA agency that you do want to fuck with.

      The EPA doesn't seem to really matter anymore.

    45. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by adri · · Score: 1

      err, trolling or not? ;-) That's literally what's going on..

    46. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First and foremost, this is the best / exchange I've read this year, thank you. The reason for my post however, is to disagree and present a separate point. Media piracy is both illegal and unethical, yet in the 2000s it was immensely popular. However, today, despite the technological medium being 10x stronger, piracy is down, at least I don't know anybody that does it anymore, so what happened? Digital media. You see piracy was a reaction to $20 Dvds and $15 Cds at Circuit City and it lead to the modernization of the media industry (mostly). So... if the FCC rules are BS and unfair and I'm not a radio operator so I can't say yay or nay, running an unlicensed station that should, but can't be licensed is a perfectly valid reaction. Consider that if we all followed the law to a T, we'd still be Brits stateside.

    47. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Pirate stations are mostly found in densely populated areas (in other words, cities) for two reasons. First, that's where enough listeners are available in a small area to support them. Second, legal low power licenses are available in most rural areas, eliminating the need to be a pirate.

      There were plenty of pirate operations on the air here in Boston before the recent FCC actions. Right now there isn't much because the area remains under high scrutiny, but new ones will surely return once the FCC's attention turns elsewhere.

    48. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The truth is that the public interest would be better served by taking some of the existing high power stations off the air to facilitate the existence of more community radio. But whose multimillion dollar radio licenses are you going to take away?

      Alternately, you could force people to give up all their cheap old radios and buy better new ones that would allow more stations to be packed in. But how does that help the dollar store shoppers who would be unable to afford the new radios?

      Capitalism has led to sub-optimal use of a scarce public resource. So what is new?

    49. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      They had one in Southern Maryland. Right on 98.3. It was some Baptist Preacher. The FCC found him and put him out of business.

    50. Re:Spin Vs. Reality.... by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "One covers a town of about 2000 people that sits in a valley that has no FM radio reception the than my station (not even PBS/NPR).

      Another is a radio station that gives news in Vietnamese so that they have a native language option."

      In a lot of countries there are specific microbroadcast options for 100mW (no license required), 1W (no license required if operating in the guardbands) on non-interference basis, and 5-10W on fast-track basis using isotropic radiators.

      It sounds like the real problem is that the regulatory framework is 30 years behind the times.

  4. I did the Max Headroom intrusion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and i have proof.
    Ask me anything.

    1. Re:I did the Max Headroom intrusion... by psergiu · · Score: 1

      From where have you bought the mask ?

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    2. Re:I did the Max Headroom intrusion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kmart. I don't think there are any left.

  5. Better idea by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    Why not just get these people licensed? It seems less expensive than chasing these people around when there's better things the FCC could be doing.

    1. Re:Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they are black people.

    2. Re:Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would someone who is doing something for free without consequences pay to do the same something?

    3. Re:Better idea by Desler · · Score: 1

      Probably because most of these stations couldn't afford to be licensed if they wanted. That's the reason they run an unlicensed operation.

    4. Re:Better idea by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Give people the opportunity to do the right thing when it costs them very little and they'll often do it. When you create a huge set of regulatory hoops (or any other barrier to entry, really) to jump through, is it any wonder when people don't bother and route around it? The same arguments applied to digital music piracy and as soon as companies like Amazon and Apple started selling DRM-free music, a huge number of pirates became paying customers.

      The FCC is just a prime example of how government bureaucracy lumbers on long after it has become unnecessary. This is just a good indicate that it should be thrown out entirely, or that it needs to be re-imagined to do something useful. Imagine if instead of trying to chase people down for pirate radio stations, it was actively helping provide information on how to set stations up and letting people know which frequencies would be good to use in their area?

    5. Re:Better idea by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      The FCC knows pirates don't have a few million laying around to buy a license. They might have a few thousand laying around to pay fines though. Although you can appeal fines down for pennies on the dollar.

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    6. Re:Better idea by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      No, we let them talk now. They're brown and that makes them the enemy now, just ask Trump & Co.

      Before anyone goes there, no, I don't think Hillary would be doing any better.

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    7. Re:Better idea by Desler · · Score: 1

      Imagine if instead of trying to chase people down for pirate radio stations, it was actively helping provide information on how to set stations up and letting people know which frequencies would be good to use in their area?

      They already do have that on their website for people who want a Low Power FM License. You can search by latitude and longitude of your station to find available broadcast channels. These tools have existed for years and years.

    8. Re:Better idea by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Before anyone goes there, no, I don't think Hillary would be doing any better.

      A sack of potatoes would be doing better.

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    9. Re:Better idea by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, we let them talk now. They're brown and that makes them the enemy now, just ask Trump & Co. Before anyone goes there, no, I don't think Hillary would be doing any better.

      It's you guys who are obsessed with always calling people "brown".

      It's strange, and even stranger when you think that your own obsession makes other people magically racist somehow.

    10. Re:Better idea by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It seems less expensive

      For whom?

    11. Re:Better idea by BronsCon · · Score: 0

      I'm using the term used by the racist scum to mock them. Intent makes all the difference.

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    12. Re:Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Q: When will the next LPFM application filing window be?

      A: No date has yet been set for the next LPFM application filing window. When a date is fixed, it will be announced in multiple places on the FCC's website. The announcement will be made at least 30 days before the filing period starts.

      Q: How do I apply for a construction permit?

      A: You need to complete and electronically submit FCC Form 318 during an announced LPFM filing window (no LPFM filing window periods are currently scheduled).

      There has been no filing window since 2013.

      In any case, it doesn't matter here. Their frequency finder looks at stations hundreds of miles away, stations that cannot be received here. Then they claim "FAIL. The requested latitude and longitude do not meet the LPFM spacing requirements on ANY channel."

      So the RIGHT choice, the ONLY choice here is pirate radio.

      Sorry, gonna have to support the pirates on this one.

    13. Re:Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They're breaking the law! These are criminals! We can't keep giving criminals a pass. We need to prosecute them to the limit of the law in order to stop the abuse of our public airwaves.
      Just think of the poor, mom and pop FM broadcasters out there. Slaving away night and day. Maybe Uncle Jeb or little Suzy at the microphone reading the wholesome news and spinning those good ol' folksy tunes. Why, these dastardly pirates are threatening our very American way of life!

      God! I am so very tired of hearing crap like this out of every freaking news outlet.

      The "pirates" are using frequencies without a license which, in some cases, causes some problems for existing broadcasters. The FCC should probably do a little better job tracking these people down, but in some cases the transmitters are so weak you can only pick them up for a block. In the real world they might annoy someone who wants to listen to Bush Rimjob, "Talk Radio Giant" or whatever passes for pop music, but it's not worth sending in the SWAT team.

    14. Re:Better idea by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      I'm using the term used by the racist scum to mock them. Intent makes all the difference.

      Has Trump ever used the term "brown people"? If he had, you'd think that it would be all over the internet, but the only people that I see using it are people like you.

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    15. Re:Better idea by mcl630 · · Score: 1

      Imagine if instead of trying to chase people down for pirate radio stations, it was actively helping provide information on how to set stations up and letting people know which frequencies would be good to use in their area?

      They already do have that on their website for people who want a Low Power FM License. You can search by latitude and longitude of your station to find available broadcast channels. These tools have existed for years and years.

      They also haven't taken any applications for LPFM licenses in years and years.

    16. Re:Better idea by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I never said Trump ever used that term. His supporters, on the other hand... And the hell you mean people like me? People who are sick and tired of seeing people persecuted for the color of their skin?

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    17. Re:Better idea by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      You said "Trump & Co." That includes Trump, if you haven't noticed.

      "People like you" are the people who use the term "brown people" like you just did.

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    18. Re:Better idea by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      So... The only people you see use the term "brown people" are people who use the term "brown people"? That seems quite self-evident, kind of like saying the only people who have blue eyes are people with blue eyes or the only people who have jobs are employed.

      It's alsl quite funny, because you used the term before I did; I said "They're brown", I guess you can go right on and add yourself to that group. In fact, this thread probably accounts for 90% of my use of the term "brown people" in my entire life; I'm betting you say it a lot more on a daily basis.

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    19. Re:Better idea by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      People who are sick and tired of seeing people persecuted for the color of their skin?

      Busting pirate radio operators has nothing to do with the color of someone's skin. What an absurd implication.

    20. Re:Better idea by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      The term "brown people" is not, in reality, a term generally used in a racist context. It is used primarily by those accusing others of racism. Try googling the term for examples.

      I'm betting you say it a lot more on a daily basis.

      This is what I'm talking about. I don't agree with you, so you immediately try to imply that I'm a racist. That is the kind of person that uses the term "brown people".

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    21. Re:Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racists don't say "brown". That's a word popularized by the democratic party to vilify all republicans as hatefully racists who drag people from their homes and burn crosses on lawns.

      In reality actual racists say "mexican,wetback", "n****r", "whitey", etc. Trying to unify the word as "brown" is an attempt to rally the black and Mexican/South American groups together. "It's all whitey's fault, the damned racists!". In reality the vast majority of Americans are totally fine with different ethnicities... As long as they're here legally. That's the crux. Most of the people being labeled racist brown-haters really just don't like the idea of just letting the immigration system be bypassed willy-nilly. It's exactly the same argument as anything that gets stamped with "it's for the children". Disagree with it? Child hater! Terrible emotional arguments that work.

      Lameness filter is lame. Had to censor N word.

    22. Re:Better idea by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Wait, when did I call you racist?

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    23. Re:Better idea by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      It really is; and it was made by an AC about 6 posts up.

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    24. Re:Better idea by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Wait, when did I call you racist?

      Playing dumb, I see, in hopes that people won't look at context.

      You first said that calling people "brown" is "the term used by the racist scum."

      And then you just said (addressing me) that "I'm betting you say it a lot more on a daily basis."

      The implication is very clear.

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    25. Re:Better idea by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Seemed to me, up to that point, that you were implying the same about me. So, we clear now?

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    26. Re:Better idea by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      The fact still remains that the pirate stations in question, the ones covering the topics listed in TFS at least, are typically run by people of Hispanic or Middle Eastern origins; so-called "Brown people", if you will, who broadcast to educate other new immigrants who speak their language. That, of course, doesn't make the action and more or less legal, I was really just intent on pointing out that the racism, if there is any at all[1], isn't aimed at Black people this time.

      Before anyone jumps up to point out that TFS refers to pirate stations "whose hosts mainly spoke Creole", and that Creole is a term typically used to describe people of mixed Black and European descent: yes, it is, if those people were born in the West Indies or in French or Spanish America. They are decidedly not Black.

      Alas, if you follow the actual tone of my comment, it's poking fun at both sides: the AC who came here to whine about racism while citing a perceived slight against the wrong group of people and those who call out racism everywhere they don't really see it. I thought I made it fairly clear that I'm Trump-neutral by also bashing Hillary in the same comment. I'll admit, I probably should have clarified that sooner, but I was honestly fairly amused with how it set cascadingstylesheet and aardvarkjoe right the hell off.

      This crowd has really lost its sense of irony lately.

      [1]: In this case, there's not; airwave licensing exists so stations don't step on each other

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  6. You need sensitivity training. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Funny

    The correct term for them is "undocumented radio stations".

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    1. Re:You need sensitivity training. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      The correct term for them is "undocumented radio stations".

      We need to wall up these stations and make the Mexicans pay for it.

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    2. Re:You need sensitivity training. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The correct term for them is "undocumented radio stations".

      We need to wall up these stations and make the Mexicans pay for it.

      THEY'RE NOT SENDING US THEIR BEST SIGNALS!

      BUILD THE FIREWALL!

  7. Wrong target by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it would increase fines from a maximum of a hundred and forty-four thousand dollars to two million dollars.

    That will do absolutely nothing to deter the pirate radio stations, which seldom are for-profit entities, but special interest and religious kooks.
    They can't afford $144,000 either, so it doesn't matter whether you raise this. As long as people think they won't get caught, it doesn't matter how harsh the penalty is.
    Too high fines even work against the intention, in that you might report your neighbor for running an illegal radio station if he was facing a $1,000 fine, but won't do so if he risks $144,000 or $2,000,000. Ruining a person's life is not something all of us are willing to do, even if they were the ones who broke the law.

    (This is also why excessive prison terms for certain crimes make things worse, not better.)

    1. Re:Wrong target by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So...you want them to flip it and offer the 2 million to anyone who turns in a pirate radio operator? You'll have pirate bounty hunters lined up!

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    2. Re:Wrong target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Increasing the fine is an easier step to take than actually enforcing the rules by tracking down the source of the transmission and charging the offender. By increasing the fine, the FCC appears to have done something, and that's all that's really important. They can say, "Look, we saw a problem, and we took a decisive action." Sure, nobody will ever pay the fine because the FCC never catches anyone, but they can at least use the words "decisive action" in describing their response.

    3. Re:Wrong target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fines can be converted to prison sentences. Anyway, a couple of decades ago in our country the plain clothed official traced down pirate stations with their triangulating instruments using civilian vans. Maybe Trump's administration would like to actually do something about these horrible regulation violations and send undercover federal officers of the law to catch the violators who don't yet use encrypted broad spectrum digital and frequency hopping radios. Software defined radio piracy is the future!

    4. Re:Wrong target by arth1 · · Score: 1

      So...you want them to flip it and offer the 2 million to anyone who turns in a pirate radio operator? You'll have pirate bounty hunters lined up!

      No, I don't want to see that either, unless the fine for running a non-commercial unlicensed radio station can be lowered to the point where it won't ruin the rest of people's lives.

      A small reward for reporting that turns out to be substantiated would be good if combined with a lower fine for non-commercial operations, and a fine for false reports.

    5. Re:Wrong target by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a quick way of losing a lot of money. Pirate radio equipment is often seized, rarely are there people sitting around with it. And now you've just spent $2m for something that will just pop up somewhere else in a few days time.

    6. Re:Wrong target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >By increasing the fine, the FCC appears to have done something, and that's all that's really important

      Except it was Congress and not the FCC that raised the fine, dumb ass. It says so right in the fucking summary.

    7. Re:Wrong target by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I can see that being used for a good scam.

      1. Find someone who doesn't mind ruining their life (career criminal, terminal illness, just plain dumb.
      2. "Ok, you set up the station, then I'll turn you in. A million for you, a million for me!"

    8. Re:Wrong target by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      There's a business opportunity! Here's how it goes:

      1. Buy some broadcasting equipment. Used, cheap, needn't even work well.
      2. Find a partner who is already broke and over his ears in debt.
      3. Let the partner be the pirate and let him broadcast once or so.
      4. Rat him out.
      5. Make the FCC come in, seize the equipment and pay you the ransom.
      6. Partner files for bankruptcy.
      7. You hand your partner his share of the money in cash.

      Repeat a couple times and you're set for life.

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  8. PIRATE? by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Illegal Radio Abuse..... ....as opposed to the legal kind?

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    1. Re:PIRATE? by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      I think they use the word pirate because back in the days real pirates were brutal and ruthless. So they need a nefarious sounding name for radio abusers. However, many people hearing the word pirate they think of a swashbuckling rebels battling the establishment like portrayed in the movies from Errol Flynn to Johnny Depp.

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    2. Re: PIRATE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pirates were painted that way because they ran the only democratic institutions in the world at the time.

  9. Who pays for pirate radio? by magarity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do they actually have advertisers? One would think that if an ad for Bob's Discount Autos was heard on a "pirate" radio station then a visit from the FCC and a fine would encourage Bob to not advertise and thus the radio station would go away fairly quickly. If the power requirements are so low that the stations need not advertise then perhaps a more reasonable approach would be a low cost for low power broadcast license?

    1. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Low Power FM license already exists: https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/lpfm
      There is no application cost, but you probably need to hire a lawyer and engineer to get through the hearings for it.

    2. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      1000 watts is what an electric space heater might use; the cost would be below 20 cents an hour. 1000 watts is enough to be received in your car 20 miles away. Within 10 miles of the pirate transmitter, the pirate could easily overpower a legal station. This might cause financial harm to the legal station and its advertiser who expects to be heard in the pirate's region.

      Your solution is not unreasonable, but the low power licensee would have to actually obey the restrictions he's licensed to operate under.

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    3. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      There is no application cost, but you probably need to hire a lawyer and engineer to get through the hearings for it.

      There's zero chance you'll find space in Brooklyn. The requirements are such that you can't use someone else's channel. Unsurprisingly there's zero channels available in NYC. LPFM is more intended for under-served rural areas, not crowded urban centers.

      Look for yourself and see if you can locate spectrum near where you'd like to transmit. I found nothing within several miles of where I live.
      https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/lpfm-channel-finder

    4. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      As I understand, it's mostly private hobbyists and folks who care more about the prestige of running a radio station than about following the law.

      These days, building a radio station costs under $1000 if you already have a suitable antenna location. You can get a $100 kit to do the interface, and a transmitter for about $500, then just a bit more for the antenna construction. It's well within the disposable income of many folks, who can then boast that they "own an independent radio station". Sometimes, that's enough motivation in itself, but there are also a good number of antagonists who will happily use radio to spread their message to the public.

      Pirate radio is the modern evolution of flyposting. Anybody can do it, and it's only governed by some loosely-enforced rules, so the folks who don't care about rules aren't stopped.

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    5. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by tkotz · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately there hasn't been an open filing window since 2013.

    6. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      a visit from the FCC and a fine would encourage Bob to not advertise

      And what is the legal basis for fining Bob?

    7. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I've found a few pirate stations. A lot of it is weird, non-mainstream music. I've heard, but not personally found (for I live in the UK), that a lot of pirate stations in the US are run by church figures or political activists with intensely anti-governmental views - they aren't going to submit to the FCC as a matter of principle.

    8. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Supporting and financing an illegal business. Please don't tell me the US has all sorts of ridiculous laws but that's NOT illegal.

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    9. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Supporting and financing an illegal business. Please don't tell me the US has all sorts of ridiculous laws but that's NOT illegal.

      Not sure, but I bet you that if they have a law like that it would be incredibly grey. Do you go to every advertiser and ask them for their complete set of documents showing their license to operate? That is assuming Bob even approached a radio station rather than some 3rd party advertising service that put his advert on a few different services some of which happen to be illegal.

      That's the problem with these laws. "What do you mean I financed an illegal enterprise? The guy selling me a hifi from his van said it was second hand and was taking it to cash converters! How was I to know!"

    10. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      1000 watts is what an electric space heater might use; the cost would be below 20 cents an hour. 1000 watts is enough to be received in your car 20 miles away. Within 10 miles of the pirate transmitter, the pirate could easily overpower a legal station. This might cause financial harm to the legal station and its advertiser who expects to be heard in the pirate's region.

      Your solution is not unreasonable, but the low power licensee would have to actually obey the restrictions he's licensed to operate under.

      Antenna height matters more than output power. VHF amateur radio stations typically run 20 to 100 watts and work fine at 20 miles or more. Less than 20 watts is fine for line of sight operations outside of the Fresnel zone to the horizon.

    11. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I don't know about your country, in mine you are expected to get suspicious of deals that are too good to be true. If someone sells you a brand new Mercedes for 50 bucks, you can pretty much expect that the police won't believe you that you didn't even think it could be stolen. Likewise, if you're advertising on some radio station, claiming that you didn't know that it's a pirate station is most likely not going to sit well with a judge, who might just up the fine because he thinks you're trying to bullshit him.

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    12. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I don't know about your country, in mine you are expected to get suspicious of deals that are too good to be true.

      So its illegal to be fooled / scammed?

      If someone sells you a brand new Mercedes for 50 bucks, you can pretty much expect that the police won't believe you that you didn't even think it could be stolen.

      Why would it be stolen? Maybe it's contaminated with a carceongen. Maybe its owner thinks it's possessed by a demon. My own neighbour just bought a $4000 antique for $50 at a garage sale because the owner didn't know what they had. You would do well to remember the proverb: "If it's too good to be true, then it probably is." *emphasis mine.

      claiming that you didn't know that it's a pirate station is most likely not going to sit well with a judge

      What won't sit well with a judge is that this flimsy waste of time case is brought before him in the first place. I would wager you don't even get the chance to bullshit anyone before it gets tossed out of court.

    13. Re:Who pays for pirate radio? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "Antenna height matters more than output power."

      Yup, When I was working in the deployment of AMPS in New Zealand in the 1980s, we were able to work 20W cellsites in Wellington from the skifields at Turoa (about 150 miles away and sited at about 300feet AMSL) with a 3W bagphone and unmodified antenna. Being at ~4500 feet AMSL and having a clear line of sight helped.

      We could trivially pick up 100W FM stations at that distance too.

  10. Mostly Harmless by Zorro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most are low power and doing nothing much except be hobbyist projects.

    Is that really worth a $2,000,000 Fine?

    Just create a special low power license and limit it to noncommercial use.

    1. Re:Mostly Harmless by jbmartin6 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They did this already for the Industrial, Scientific, and Medical ranges that the various 802.11 standards use.

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    2. Re:Mostly Harmless by Desler · · Score: 1

      Just create a special low power license and limit it to noncommercial use.

      They already have back in 2000 called the LPFM (Low Power FM) license. It's for educational, noncommercial use.

    3. Re:Mostly Harmless by tkotz · · Score: 1

      If one wants to setup an FM transmitter for non-commercial use as part of a hobby. There is always the amateur radio license:
      https://www.eham.net/newham/wh...

      Which allows for even higher power than the LPFM licenses which would probably be more fitting for use here.

      There are also FRS and GMRS licenses that allow FM operation.

      Only LPFM allows overlapping with the commercial FM spectrum though. So it would probably be good if the FCC opened another filing window, as it has been 5 years:
      https://www.fcc.gov/media/radi...

    4. Re:Mostly Harmless by Lord_Byron · · Score: 1

      There's lots of things you can't do with a ham licence, though - like broadcast, or transmit music.

    5. Re:Mostly Harmless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there is no way to apply for them since 2013 or so.
      https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/lpfm

      Your govt in action.

      It's bullshite

      Ajit Pai is too busy servicing the telco boys ugly bits probably.

    6. Re:Mostly Harmless by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Or pretty much anything remotely useful. Ham radio is only practical because it's utterly useless - if it were useful, the spectrum would be full of people actually using it.

      - No broadcasts, except to establish contact: All conversations must be between explicatively identified parties.
      - No commercial activity. That means no using it as a convenient way to coordinate your taxi fleet.
      - No encryption.
      - No music.

      It's only usable as a hobby - see who you can, reach, chat a bit.

    7. Re:Mostly Harmless by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Now where's money and content control in that?

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    8. Re:Mostly Harmless by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Not talking about that. If you want to fire up an FM transmitter like we used to do in the 1970s that had a 9 volt battery and had a range of about 100-200', I don't think you'll get into trouble. On the other hand if you put that transmitter into a politicians office, they may find laws like this to hit you with.

    9. Re:Mostly Harmless by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "Ham radio is only practical because it's utterly useless"

      On the contrary, ham radio is useful for its intended purpose - education, experimentation and research into technologies.

      Hams are supposed to be pushing the boundaries of what's possible.

    10. Re:Mostly Harmless by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Hams used to push the boundaries of what's possible. They pioneered a lot of technologies. Today, not so much. The complexity of modern electronics advanced beyond the ability of the men-in-sheds army to advance it. I got into it in the hope of meeting people who would share my excitement at designing and building new things, but what I actually found was a dying hobby that stagnated technologically in the 80s.

    11. Re:Mostly Harmless by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      As a RF technician in the early-mid 1980s I found the same thing. The stuff I was doing with my work was far in advance of what hams were doing - apart from the packet radio contingent, the vast majority were hiding from the march of technology, not leading it. As such I didn't have much to do with them.

    12. Re:Mostly Harmless by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      There are still die-hard packet users - but not many of them, and they haven't been able to advance the technology significantly. There just isn't enough density of packet enthusiasts for that - it's hard enough finding anyone you can reach at all, even before you start trying new and improved modulations.

  11. Questions: audience discovery, backhaul, equipment by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm curious how their audience finds them? If you setup a pirate radio station, do you always use a specific frequency even if you're forced to abandon your transmitter or gets seized?

    Is the transmission equipment so cheap that pirate stations essentially don't care if it gets seized? They're probably more worried about finding another choice rooftop location with power than the transmitter itself?

    How do they manage backhaul? My guess is that you would have the "studio" and the transmitter at different locations.

  12. Why do they bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why bother with pirate radio these days?

    You can stream anything you like on the internet. Unlike the FM spectrum, there is an unlimited amount of "channels" available. No risk of getting punished. 20 years ago, pirate radio was a desperate way to be heard - or make some money. But now you can do it risk free on the net. So why pirate radio?

    1. Re:Why do they bother? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Why bother with pirate radio these days?

      You can stream anything you like on the internet. Unlike the FM spectrum, there is an unlimited amount of "channels" available. No risk of getting punished. 20 years ago, pirate radio was a desperate way to be heard - or make some money. But now you can do it risk free on the net. So why pirate radio?

      Anything you do on the internet is recorded and logged in perpetuity. I'm not sure how Uncle Sam will use your music choice against you. Maybe blackmail you and threaten to tell your SO you listen to nickel back if you don't do as they say.

      Best play it safe and listen to pirate radio. Uncle Sam can't log what you listen to over the airwaves. Listen to Nickel Back without fear of repurcussions.

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    2. Re:Why do they bother? by PPH · · Score: 2

      Because every link is Rick Astley.

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    3. Re:Why do they bother? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Well there was that time the FBI was "CERTAIN" that the Kingsmen were encoding a communist agenda into "Louie Louie" (No, I'm not kidding!).

    4. Re:Why do they bother? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Well there was that time the FBI was "CERTAIN" that the Kingsmen were encoding a communist agenda into "Louie Louie" (No, I'm not kidding!).

      Yes, I remember reading about that. Another theory was that the song was lewd and immoral. There was a study to see if the song was subversive and after weeks of study the end report was that the song was unintelligible. I wonder how much was spent to determine that.

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    5. Re:Why do they bother? by sjames · · Score: 1

      And they wonder why they're not objects of respect and trust...

    6. Re:Why do they bother? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      When you take a look at what's broadcast, you'll notice that the target audience is probably one that can't easily afford a computer but can probably scrape together the 20 bucks a radio costs.

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  13. Grass is greener in NW by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 1

    'Pirates, he said, "offer a kind of programming that their audiences depend on. Spiritual sustenance, news, immigration information, music created at home or in the new home, here."' Wow! I would be delighted if pirate stations did that in London. Here they all seem to play the same sort of music and shout all over it.

    1. Re:Grass is greener in NW by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Pretty much this. When I read that these station provide a program the audience depends on, I wondered... shouldn't we instead turn off the stations that clutter the airwaves with drivel nobody can stomach, let alone depend on?

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  14. Naked Gun 2½ by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    [...] the Preventing Illegal Radio Abuse Through Enforcement, or PIRATE [...]

    Anyone else getting flashbacks of Naked Gun 2½ when reading these new stupid backward-designed acronyms?

    "I'm very proud to welcome our guests from the nation's energy suppliers.
    First, head of the Society of Petroleum lndustry Leaders - better known as SPIL, Mr Terence Baggett.
    Now, chairman of the Society for More Coal Energy, or SMoCE, Mr Donald Fenwick.
    And president of the Key Atomic Benefits Office Of Mankind - KABOOM, Mr Arthur Dunwell."

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    1. Re:Naked Gun 2½ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is missing Fluids Lower Oil Overreach and Dependency, the advocates for hydroelectric power. Wind generation and solar were probably too rare back then to be worth acronymming though.

  15. Re: Questions: audience discovery, backhaul, equip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A quick search shows that low-powered FM broadcast equipment is around $20 (for really low end stuff)-$50 (still not very powerful but probably sufficient for a local station).

  16. Re:Questions: audience discovery, backhaul, equipm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > If you setup a pirate radio station, do you always use a specific frequency

    This is one of the problem with pirate radio stations. They very often use frequencies that are already legally licensed to other radio stations. They don't care what frequency they use other than taking into consideration of the power requirements of broadcasting in a specific range. Obviously, if a legal station is sending out a very strong signal, the pirate stations will not use that frequency. They'll choose frequencies from stations broadcasting further away, or not sending out a strong signal at all.

  17. Welcome Mr Pai by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    You have joined us in the brave world of common knowledge... the knowledge that the severity of the fine is rarely a deterrent of crime.

  18. What are these 'pirate stations' broadcasting? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 0

    That's the real question: I want to know what it is they're broadcasting that's got that bastard Pai's panties in such a twist. My gut tells me it's not likely music or anything as innocent as that. Don't post links to 'official' sources, I don't think they'll be trustworthy, I'd like to see first-hand accounts from people who have received these so-called 'pirate stations'.

    1. Re:What are these 'pirate stations' broadcasting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I want to know what it is they're broadcasting that's got that bastard Pai's panties in such a twist

      Jesus, just read teh fucking article, you ridiculously over-emphasing CLOWN!

      captcha: boldest (no, really)

    2. Re:What are these 'pirate stations' broadcasting? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 0

      Try reading my comment, EVERY SINGLE WORD, you mongoloid.

  19. Re: Questions: audience discovery, backhaul, equip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very often they set up stand alone transmitters on a rooftop with tapped electricity. They just use a 4G dongle to stream the audio (or a point to point mocrowave link for old school guys and gals)

  20. Yes, they can harm people by StandardCell · · Score: 1

    So what if I'm listening to one of these stations with spurious emissions or exceedingly high dBm level near their broadcast area with a drifting transmitter, and an EAS message comes through on an adjacent station? Now all of a sudden, the PLL lock on the radio does the funky chicken trying to figure out what signal to lock onto and an entire area listening to the emergency message doesn't get all of it because of the pirate station. That puts lives at risk.

    There's a reason we regulate spectrum. We don't want to go back to the days before the FCC when rescue ships were being sent to the middle of the North Atlantic in the winter because of fake distress calls just so we could avoid another Titanic disaster. We certainly don't want existing licensees who have paid good money and are subject to regulations and fines to be run over by unlicensed idiot operators. I have enough problems as a ham and shortwave listener dealing with RFI from poorly choked solar inverters and other garbage out there.

    So while not all pirates are harmful, they most certainly can be at the wrong moment. There needs to be a crackdown and proper enforcement by the FCC.

    1. Re:Yes, they can harm people by tkotz · · Score: 1

      I agree the FCC does an important job of keeping the bands organised. To anyone who says they don't serve a purpose I'd like to image a world where your favorite TV, radio, or WIFI devise needs to be tuned across the entire spectrum in order to find clear channels. actually TV is so wide bandwidth it probably never would have taken off without the FCC.

      However, I wouldn't say they prevent fake distress calls. If anything one could say they facilitate them in the same way the phone company facilitates fake 911 calls, by making it easier to make distress calls. As the crime they are going to be charged with is more likely to fall under fraud/obstruction/wreckless endangerment than operating outside of approved band/power. That would be a crime even if there was no FCC, though I'm sure the FCC helps with the investigation if able. Unless these were some sort of noise misinterpreted as distress calls, in which case I'm going to request citation as it sounds interesting and I can't find it online.

      Recent examples:
      https://www.justice.gov/usao-e...
      https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2...

  21. From Article 19--UN declaration of Human Rights... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

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  22. Re:From Article 19--UN declaration of Human Rights by postbigbang · · Score: 1

    Funny how this same organization sponsors international commercial and amateur broadcasting regulations. Whiff. Try again.

    Indeed the charter doesn't limit freedom of expression. I don't advocate that at all, either. To do so in a civil way requires removing anarchy from the airwaves. Try living in SE Asia and finding out what airwave/radio madness is all about.

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  23. Preventing Illegal Radio Abuse Through Enforcement by Desert+Tripper · · Score: 2

    Why do law-enforcement agencies feel the need to come up with a cheesy acronym or smarmy rhyme for everything they do? Does some government drone feel a real sense of accomplishment every time they perpetuate this annoying practice?

  24. Low profile probably, no complaints? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    92 MHz is only line-of-sight plus a little. So, these stations probably service small areas where they're the only stations that are listened to at all. If they're running low power, they probably don't interfere much with the stations on the other side of town. If they run high power, their likely at a fixed location and therefore easy to track down, and would be cause for enough complaints such that they'd be shut down.

    Still, I don't believe in flaunting the law. The FCC is skeleton staffed, so it takes a complaint or a number of complaints to get enforcement.

  25. Nothing good on commercial radio anyway by LordNicholas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure I'd care a lot more about this if I Heart Media didn't own half the spectrum, playing the same garbage across all of it. My wife and I have a game we play in the car, where we try to guess how many stations are playing the latest top 40 hit simultaneously. Highest we've seen is four. Four different stations all playing the same goddamn song at the same time. With internet and satellite radio ubiquitous, we really need to start reevaluating how we prioritize the spectrum.

  26. Black & White by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Altruism doesn't give you a pass. Such rationalisms are the crux of narcissistic behavior. Living in a civilized world means looking after everyone, and deeply at your own motives.

    Rationalizing incivility leads to a lot of the evil that the world sees today. You're not a hero, only a cowboy with an exciter.

    I'm willing to bet he's doing a hell of a lot more "looking after everyone" than you ever have or will. You sound like a whiny little bitch who grew up getting spanked for every little thing and now you're damned if your going to ever let anyone else "get away with" anything. It's all back & white for you.

    1. Re:Black & White by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      There's far more depth to the issue. Rationalizing incivility is a slippery slope. You don't know me, don't know what I do, but you're easy to cast judgment.

      In the poster's case, he's admitted running two pirate radio stations with ostensible altruistic motives as his rationalization for doing so. I'm not a cop and don't want to be one. But I do listen avidly to radio, and know both public media and commercial broadcasters, who must deal with the problem that the poster creates.

      It's not all about me. It's about everyone that tries to listen to radio. I'm no fan of the current FCC, but for a while, it did a reasonable job of protecting the airwaves. Its funding has been cut to the bone by its board, who prefers to fly on PR missions around the country, rather than protect the medium.

      That said, falling into anarchy isn't going to serve anyone. Like guns, having zillions of broadcasters isn't going to help anyone.

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    2. Re:Black & White by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you know what is at the bottom of your slippery slope you dumb fuck?
      A gov't agency that isn't doing its GODDAM JOB.
      What if they stopped renewing drivers liscenses back in 2013 and ours expired?
      you know everyone'd be driving all the time because the resource needs to get used.
      Its the same with this. Just a lazy shitty gov't org not doing its JOB.

    3. Re:Black & White by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Lots of that going on. There will be those that keep getting them renewed, those drivers licenses, and still have insurance.

      A neighbor recently was hit by someone with neither license or insurance. Not quite two hundred grand worth of medical bills, not to mention no car, but he still has to do the payments. His uninsured motorist pays a bit, but not for the car.

      Some try to keep civil, despite the incompetence of a bribed government. Some don't. Some try to work for change, others make up their own rules, or have none at all.

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  27. Root Cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The root cause of this is the monopolistic homogeneous hegemony of the mega networks like Clear Channel that provide no local content and incessant chatter.

  28. Net Neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were to busy stamping out net neutrality to deal with pirate radio.

  29. "The Resistance" by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    I still want first-hand accounts of these pirate stations, but from TFA it sounds like these are part of 'The Resistance' against the current administration.

  30. Should instead open it only for local low power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the garbage music on FM radio, maybe they should just open access to anyone for the FM band, as long as they are local stations, maybe with a 200-1000 watt limit and create more a neighborhood radio sort of thing on FM, and eliminate the monopoly of the 100,000 watt commercial stations. Most FM stations simply replay the same mass produced hollywood drivel over and over again. If necessary, if there is a lot of demand from local stations, allocate access to frequencies in 1 hour blocks, all to local people in the community, the 200-1000 watt limit would make it a 5 mile radius thing anyway ensuring that there would be plenty of open band for locally run low power stations with plenty of bandwidth in most cases. Smaller community stations would allow more locally sourced music to be created and would help promote the arts and music in society in communities rather than instead zombie like consumers of hollywood drivel. This would do much more to promote the community interest than what you have now. If the FCC is allegedly to make the limited spectrum available to serve community interests, making it so the community itself can use it exclusively by low power stations is what does that the best. Instead the current regime of 100,000 watt megastations does not serve community interests, it serves the interests of globalist corporate interests.

  31. Telemarketing spam. by Stray1 · · Score: 1

    I'd rather they took a stab at telemarketing phone calls. 50% of my calls are from spammers at this point.

  32. Time to adjust to the changing times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With our cities chock full of homosexuals, negroes, beaners, lesbians, NPR types, hipsters, etc, it is time to free a portion of the radio spectrum to give these people a voice. I suggest opening up the FM frequencies between 87 MHz and 92 Mhz to anyone with a transmitter who wants her voice heard. Let's liberate that portion of spectrum to all comers. The only way to fight hate speech is with more speech! And the FM broadcast band is as simple as a cell phone to use and setup. No complicated antennas are needed. A piece of wire two or there feet long is sufficient. Plug it into your modern transmitter (about the size of a best seller novel), and let the world know how YOU feel! FM power to ALL the people! Let YOUR voice be heard!

  33. Pai Is Rotter And Terribly Exhumed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm need some more work on this law acronym.

    Oh **** did I just press send!?

  34. Pai Is Reet Auld Teabagger Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still needs some work.

    Oh ****** I did it again didn't I!?

  35. Dunno about you all by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    but who listens to the radio anymore ?

    I haven't tuned in any stations in the car for years. They're still set to whatever the factory defaults are.
    The receiver in my living room has no antenna connected to it and has no stations programmed either.

    Maybe they don't care about Pirate stations because so few even bother to listen any more.

  36. Preventing Illegal Radio Abuse by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    Um.. if a radio is intended to be used illegally, then is using it really "abuse?"

    Turning the radio off, or going behind its back and getting a legal permit, would be ways to abuse it.

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  37. Maybe the FCC can build a spectrum wall? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this just sounds like more Federal govt. B.S. Over-promising they're going to get tough on something that's not practical or even clearly necessary.

    Pirate radio?! This is the era where terrestrial radio is a dying thing in America. I know a surprisingly number of people who upgraded factory stereos in their vehicles and didn't even bother to reattach the antenna because they "never use the radio part anyway".

    If the pirate stations are really interfering with reception of legitimate ones, then I'm sure complaints will get filed and they can go after those specific offenders. But it makes no sense to turn this into a crusade? The few times I've heard a pirate station operating near where I lived, it was someone running really low wattage on a frequency between a couple legitimate ones. They had a small group of fans who would go out to certain store parking lots just to tune them in, because they were unable to hear them from their homes. We're talking maybe a 2 mile radius.....

  38. I run a pirate radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is on local frequency 93.3. The radio is plugged into my car's cigarette lighter, and broadcasts 24/7.

    Where did you get it? Amazon. Search for FM transmitter.
    What does it broadcast? My MP3 collection.
    Why broadcast MP3s? To pick them up on the radio of my old car. Legacy compatible.
    Are their any commercials? Hell no.
    What is the range? About 100 feet. I can listen in the house when the car is parked in the garage.
    Why 93.3? It is not in use in my area.
    What is the broadcast power? It will run off of my car battery all weekend without incident.

    Who else does this? Just about every gymnasium that I have ever worked out in.

  39. George Washington would kill you. drawn/quartered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    George Washington would kill you. drawn/quartered

    stamp out illegal flourishing pirates of radio.

    kyfs

  40. I propose a constitutional amendment by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

    The amendment would ban naming proposed legislation or laws in such a way as to make acronyms of the law spell out real words, because there's no reason why this proposed law has to have this as its name, other than because they thought it would be cute to call it the "PIRATE" act. We could call it the Final Universal Constitutional Knowledge Yet Amending Legal Legislation, or the "FUCK Y'ALL Amendment". Because, as this amendment points out, right there in its name, the name has little to do with the law in question, it's just there to make the acronym spell something funny.

    It is important to note that this "PIRATE" Act cost us MONEY, in the form of paychecks to lawmakers to draft this shit, and they had to spend some time, (or pay someone else, out of our money) to spend some time figuring out which words to use to make the name of the law's acronym spell out whatever they want it to spell.

    BETTER YET, make the law that if the acronym happens to spell out (or come really close to spelling out,) a real, actual word, that the words used to make it spell that MUST be changed to the first word in the dictionary, (whichever one they use in Congress,) starting with that letter, having at least the number of letters in the word corresponding to the position in the letter in the acronym (in alphabetical order, in case that wasn't obvious,) and skipping/excluding any word that is an abbreviation, a proper noun, (someone's or something's name,) containing punctuation, symbols, etc., or which is a contraction, or other combination, or which only meets the requirements because of the addition of an ending, (such as "-er" or "-edly",) or which is a one-word alternative form of a hyphenated word pair or group, or which is onomatopoetic, etc.

    SO, since they want to call this the "PIRATE Act," The word from which we get P would be the first word starting with P that is at least one letter long. The second word in the actual name would start with I, and be the first that is at least two letters long. The third would be the first word in the dictionary starting with R that is at least three letters long, and so on.

    In this case, using the New Oxford American Dictionary, the full name of the "PIRATE Act," would be the...

    "The P Iamb Rabbet Abaca Tabard Earnest Act." Try saying THAT three times fast! They should have to call this the "P Iamb Rabbet Abaca Tabard Earnest Act. Maybe then they wouldn't be able to giggle to themselves so much about it, which I just KNOW they're doing. "heheheheh we made it the PIRATE act... hahahahah" They did that using OUR tax dollars, too. That's, I know, a silly thing to be upset about that they did, given all the other abominations and atrocities they've committed only in the last... oh, couple of days or so, in our name, allegedly, with our consent, (hahaha!) and with our tax dollars, (extracted effectively at gunpoint,) but it's REALLY annoying that they keep pulling this shit, and it should STOP.

    Under my proposed amendment, they would be exempt from this rule, if the name of the law, when abbreviated, doesn't SPELL anything special, or anything related to the thing being regulated. For example, the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (or whatever,) could still be called that, as the treaty has NOTHING TO DO WITH SALT. So calling it SALT is fine. They would be banned, however, from calling any law the "Nuclear Unification Kablooie Escape" Act, because that spells out "NUKE". Click "LIKE" if you agree with this idea. Oh, wait, there's no "LIKE" button. SHIT!

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  41. 140k, 2 million 2 (pinky to mouth) TRILLION... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Doesn't matter. At a certain point, increasing the punishment isn't going to change jack shit. Hell, I couldn't pay 140k in a lifetime, you think that increasing it would have any effect on me? That's like upping the punishment from life to ten times life. It makes no fucking difference.

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  42. Re:Preventing Illegal Radio Abuse Through Enforcem by SirTreveyan · · Score: 1

    Come on now!!! Don't be so hard on that government drone. He can't help that he will never be anything but a government drone. That cheesy acronym allows him to justify his 6 figure salary!!!!!!

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  43. Open the AM band. by kc7rad · · Score: 1

    You know... LPFM is broken and the AM band is slowly bleeding away. How about this... open the AM bands to low power ( 25 watt) transmitters. Each station pays a minor fee like $20 per year, receives a callsign and agrees to not knowingly interrupt other broadcasters. Sure, some will anyway. The 50kw clear channel stations would still be kings and might even benefit from the new low power stations by gaining some of their audience. The whole issue of music royalties should have no play in the FCC dealings. If someone wants a station on 999kHz to ramble on in Creole about the evils of the FCC, go for it IMHO.

  44. Low power stations by sglines · · Score: 1

    Whatever happened to the low power stations, under 5 watts, that were promised in the '90's?