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'Plugspreading' is an Abomination (cnet.com)

Mark Serrels, writing for CNET: A man [on a train], a human man as he lives and breathes, has put his bag, his stupid goddamn bag on the seat. He thinks his bag is more important than your buttcheeks. Than your tired legs. He is undermining your right to rest those legs, to plank those weary buttcheeks on a seat. This train is busy. He is a bad person. He doesn't care. This is a metaphor. In this metaphor the terrible man-person is a tech company. The bag is their terrible plug. A plug that is not content with taking up one slot on your powerboard, but needs two. Not for power, oh no. It just wants the space to... christ, I don't know. Mess with your day? Piss you off? Make your life worse? Stop you from plugging an extra device into your powerboard for no goddamn reason. Jesus wept. I call this phenomenon "plugspreading" and it's an abomination. [...] This is bad behaviour. This is a problem. That second socket was innocent man, it was collateral damage. He did nothing to deserve this. You ruined its life, starved that socket of its purpose, its reason for existing. Plugspreading is everywhere. It's a disease.

362 comments

  1. Plug-Spreading? by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd really be afraid to Google that without "Safe-Search" turned on. That being said, I agree with your premise. How come if I have a power-strip with 8 sockets I can only ever plug-in 3 damn things? Crap Design! As usual. I don't know where all the "Designers" came from, but, be toasters, coffee-pots, vacuum cleaners, plugs, or software interfaces, they are ALL universally worthlessly incompetent and should be beaten with the "You have failed at your job Stick" until they leave the profession.

    1. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The purpose is to avoid you cramming in too many things without a chance of airflow for cooling. Hot electronics fail. It's also why many electronic devices have cases with curves or "unnecessary" protrusions: So you don't put things on top or right next to them.

    2. Re:Plug-Spreading? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      I think Plug-Spreading is when the base of the butt-plug is so wide, you can't plug anything else into the adjacent outlet - so to speak.

      (Not sure why Mark Serrels is writing about his love-life problems on CNET ...)

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    3. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just cut that shit off anyway.

    4. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The purpose is to avoid you cramming in too many things without a chance of airflow for cooling.

      I'd always wondered why the size of the plug was proportional to the power it draws.

      Oh wait, I haven't. Because it isn't.

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    5. Re:Plug-Spreading? by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

      Baloney. I'm not buying it.

    6. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's usually because they're trying to use a standard case for different voltages.

      It's a similar problem to why so few electronics devices that come with wallwarts actually have any indication on the wallwart what the device it came with is. Leaving you to guess about it based upon the output and polarity before inserting it into the device hoping for a fit.

      Personally, I prefer the ones where the actual electronics are a ways away from the plug, so that you don't have to worry about the other items in the plug.

    7. Re:Plug-Spreading? by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought as well. Hence, my warning about Googling it.

    8. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid TFS introduces a term and then completely fails to define it.

      The author is bemoaning the prevalence of wall warts (including USB chargers) and awkwardly-sized and/or shaped plugs that end up covering or blocking access to a neighboring socket.

    9. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These things aren't ventilated so they need a certain amount of volume and surface area to keep from overheating. Do you think a manufacturer wants to make it any bigger than it needs to be? Bigger is more plastic and more cost.

    10. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's usually because they're trying to use a standard case for different voltages.

      Maybe, but I've got a few battery chargers & power supplies (actually, a small crate of the latter[1]) and they're mostly either a) small enough that they play nice or b) they'd be too big on any of the socket standards I'm familiar with - UK, US, Europe).

      It's a similar problem to why so few electronics devices that come with wallwarts actually have any indication on the wallwart what the device it came with is.

      They used to, though, even if they probably didn't make them themselves. But it probably adds a decicent to the cost to have a specific label.

      Leaving you to guess about it based upon the output and polarity before inserting it into the device hoping for a fit.

      Really guess, because sometimes they don't print it on the device either. Yes, Mr Seagate Expansion Desktop external HD, I did look at you.

      Personally, I prefer the ones where the actual electronics are a ways away from the plug

      So do I, but it's cost again.

      [1] bit of a hoarder.

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    11. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the purpose is to save money. Instead of manufacturing proper plug cables and inline power supplies, such as the kind that come with laptops, they want to cram the power supply and plug all into one cheap little plastic box that is more prone to overheating and catching on fire.

    12. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, "guess", because widespread international standards don't exist or anything. I mean, I know it can be confusing sometimes when these things get replaced with even more widespread international standards, but in general "if it fits, it works", and any time you can't rely on that, you probably bought an intensely shitty product that would have broken no matter what you plugged into it.

    13. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was entirely obvious even just from the summary.

    14. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The solution is simple. Plug in a 6-port power strip, then plug in 6 more 6-port power strips to that. Then plug in 36 space heaters. Problem solved!

    15. Re:Plug-Spreading? by barc0001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > How come if I have a power-strip with 8 sockets I can only ever plug-in 3 damn things?

      I have 11 things to plug in for all my living room multimedia... stuff. Most of them have the damn spreading wall-warts, and I have only a single standard pair outlet behind the entertainment unit for it all so it led to an octopus abomination of power bars, until I had salvation and tidiness visit me in the form factor of a 3 foot long shop power strip that I attached to the back of the entertainment unit. At last all is clean, tidy and off the floor. But NONE of that would have been necessary if I could have plugged 11 things into the standard 12 plug powerbar I had. Seriously, people shouldn't need to buy a shop power strip with 4 inches of separation between each outlet to be able to use them all.

    16. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh they exist, just to point out the massive differences.

      Nice blanket statement and blaming everyone but the manufacturers.
      "you probably bought an intensely shitty product..." That is not my problem, that is on the manufacturer to fix it or refund.

      Quit being an apologist for faceless corporations and government hand sitting.

    17. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then move the transformer/inverter/whatever gets hot down the line away from the outlet where other hot things may be???

    18. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your own fault. When shopping, bring your power strip to the electronics store. Anything that doesn't fit, isn't bought. Complain to the store, tell them you don't buy stuff with plugs like that. Ask them to get you a product with a smaller plug.

    19. Re:Plug-Spreading? by EETech1 · · Score: 0
    20. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.
      Put the "wart" in the middle of the plug, not at the end where you actually have to plug it in.
      A few things, like *really* cheap dc barrel power supply might have a minimal excuse in that they only have really thin connectors coming out of the wart.
      For "premium" cables from the likes of Apple, their plug abomination is inexcusable.
      Stick that rounded block in the middle of the cable and give us a "normal" power adapter at the end.

    21. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      PSU has all the DC voltages I need. Just snip off the wall wart, read the polarity and votage. Then find the right wire and alligator clip it on. They can share the same ground wire.

    22. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Excelcia · · Score: 2

      Power bar extension cords. It will take 3 months to get to you, so order about 40 of them and keep them in a drawer.

      To answer the question why, for almost every one of the examples given in the article, for example the Samsung, Nintendo, and Apple plugs, there is a geometry of power bar or splitter that they will fit nicely for. The Samsung and Nintendo ones, for example, are designed to play nicely on a power bar. Since most people use power bars, it is obvious that the article author went to some trouble to make sure that he used a power outlet with a side-by-side geometry that specifically didn't work for those devices. Device manufacturers are trying to make them play nicely. But yes, you will always be able to find an example where a device designed to work well with plugs of one direction won't work well with plugs of another. My advice is to stop whining, realize that the designers have to work it some way, and use your brain to work out a solution. One of which was given above.

    23. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's three things at play, and while they're obvious, many of these things are made in China, and counterfeits still cut the same corners.

      1) Polarized plug, switched mode power supply doesn't actually care. Because the plug is polarized, it can't be flipped upside down (US/Japan style), but EU style outlets are horizontal instead of vertical, so you can't even flip them. US style outlets, power strips are usually horizontal, but outlets on the wall are vertical.

      2) Outlet designs, both NA and EU assume a cord, not a wallwart is being plugged in. The immediate solution is pretty obvious, put a universal, removable cord "socket" on the actual wallwart, and in cases where it's too heavy or too stupid to plugin, stick your 3" or 6" or 12" cord on it instead. You could also... just buy a dozen pigtail cords to go with a power strip.

      3) No universal AC mains to DC USB outlet. Due to the constant evolution of USB, this will never be a thing, but the power bricks we keep seeing range from stupid oversized first party to stupid, tiny and dangerous third party designs. The most "correct" design is to have the brick take up 110% of the actual outlet coverage (EU designs thus being larger) but have the USB connector either on the front, or have one on each side, so even if it's blocked, you can use the one on the other side. Remember to have insulation caps as part of the design to prevent electrical arc'ing in the event two of them are close enough.

    24. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      The term seems to be a play on man-spreading. The tendency for men to sit with their legs spread, thus taking up more than one seat.

      Power strips are designed to mimic wall outlets. AC adapters with the transfer stuck onto the plug are a cost-cutting measure. The manufacturer didn't want to pay for a second cable between the outlet and the transformer, so built the plug into the transformer. In low-volume usage this actually makes sense, as it keeps the transformer off the ground where it's out of the way and able to cool better. But in high-volume usage it ends up blocking other outlet sockets.

      TFA is worthless though. Putting the plug on the transformer is arguably the "right" solution to the problem. If you required all AC adapters to have a second cable between the outlet and transformer (like most laptop adapters), the only place you could put the transformer is on the floor. With the plug built into the transformer, you have the option of having the transformer on the wall if you need it off the floor, or you can buy one of the short extensions others have linked to and have the transformer on the floor. Having the plug on the transformer gives you have the option of doing it either way. Requiring a second cable takes away the wall option, so is the worse solution.

    25. Re:Plug-Spreading? by dcollins117 · · Score: 2

      NSFW warning would have been helpful there.

    26. Re:Plug-Spreading? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      It's a similar problem to why so few electronics devices that come with wallwarts actually have any indication on the wallwart what the device it came with is.

      That's because power supplies are left to companies who design power supplies (perhaps you've heard of Delta, or MeanWell, or others?).

      For devices with built-in power supplies, you'll find the company often subcontracts the power supply to some third party.

      For branded adapters like the ones Apple makes, same deal - except Apple asks Delta (I think they use Delta) to put it in their branded box.

      For everything else, you can buy from China a wallwart made to your specifications - voltage, current, plug on the end, and whether you want it to be "universal" where the wallwart comes with adapters for all the plugs. Heck, they'll even ask if you want it pre-boxed or loose, and ship it to you by the thousands for a very low attractive price. If you requested universal supplies, they'll ship you in another box baggies of the adapters (or if they're pre-boxed, in the box).

      Wallwarts are super cheap to manufacture - and yes, they can be had for under a dollar each in quantity. It's generally cheap enough that if it fails, most companies will just ship you a new one free of charge under warranty.

      No one designs this sort of stuff nowadays - it's all subcontracted out to those companies who know better. Switching supplies can be a bit of a dark art and they're so cheap you shouldn't be doing it anyways. Especially since they can design it to pass the safety certifications you need

    27. Re:Plug-Spreading? by batkiwi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Australia, where this article was written, almost every home power outlet is side by side, so he didn't go to ANY trouble to find a power outlet which was side by side.

      Also your standard "buy it at the shops" power board has that same spacing since it's a standard. You have to buy a special hugely spaced power board. Notice this one has only one specially spaced one: https://www.target.com.au/p/us...

      This one has none: https://www.officeworks.com.au...

      This one has actual spacing markers to show you where they will fithttps://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/hpm-5-outlet-power-surge-protector-hpd1055

    28. Re:Plug-Spreading? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      And the proper solution is a big-enough case (the ones that cover half an outlet on each side are, often times, not) and a pigtail.

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    29. Re:Plug-Spreading? by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      Sorry!

      (Doesn't everyone have the day off?)

    30. Re:Plug-Spreading? by another_twilight · · Score: 1

      Except that a good chunk of these are a plastic shell with some potted electronics inside without anything resembling attention to heat transfer or air cooling.

      I realise that this brings the cost down and that manufacturers would prefer to go with a standard case regardless of what is going inside it, and that people who'd pay a little extra for a smaller overall package with decent thermal design are too small a market to address ...

      So yes. It's about cooling. Inefficient, 'good enough' but most importantly - cheap.

    31. Re:Plug-Spreading? by another_twilight · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple?
      You mean the power supply where you can remove the mains connector to reveal that it connects via a IEC 60320 C7/'figure 8' socket, allowing a short cable to be installed moving the 'wart' to the middle of the length like you want? It's been a while since I checked and may be recalling incorrectly, but I thought that while Apple sold a cable with a moulded connector that fit in the socket and merged with the 'wart', that the socket itself was standard and you could use any suitable cable.

      Frankly, these are some of the best designs I've seen. Most of the bulk is away from the mains connection, so it doesn't interfere with other plugs and you can switch between wall-wart and cable-wart.

    32. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The reason companies use wall warts is because of certification. If you are going to sell a device that takes AC from the mains directly into itself, whether it converts it to DC internally or not, it has to pass a far higher bar than one that takes in DC directly.

      So instead of trying to pass those regulations, it's much cheaper to simply buy an AC/DC power supply which has already been certified and ship it with the product you design. The alternative is what a lot of laptops have, the power brick style, which is AC to a little box (certified) and then DC to the laptop. The manufacturer designs one supply to certify and sells it with multiple laptop models.

      For example, any device which takes in AC from the mains will have to pass a HiPot test, which is where you apply 2x(device rating) + 1000V DC* between the input terminals and the ground for one minute, during which the device cannot pass any current to ground (i.e., short). So a laptop which would be powered by 120V directly would have to withstand 1240V for one minute.

      *These are Canadian Standards Association numbers, but I know that CE and NEC requirements are similar.

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    33. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Excelcia · · Score: 1

      Fair enough about Aussie sockets. However, the same site I used in my original post had, with 15 seconds of searching, solutions for socket rotating and the same mini extension cords for AU plugs. In short, A) It's not the rest of the world's fault that Australia places their plugs with the opposite geometry to most, and B) it's less than trivial to find an inexpensive solution that doesn't look like a terrible kludge.

      Good vendors are trying to use geometries that work for most people. Some even have devices with plugs that rotate without an adapter to do that. I still think this is a tempest in a teacup.

    34. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously bring a multi plug adaptor....

      That way if you want to charge your freaking laptop .... you can ask the guy âoecan I share the power, I got a multiâ.... like nobody has ever turned me down.... if he does then thatâ(TM)s a real ass hat..... but Iâ(TM)ve never seen one so itâ(TM)s not disease level.

    35. Re:Plug-Spreading? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      The holiday was Monday.

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    36. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a link with "butt sharpies" in it, I'm not sure what else you were expecting.

    37. Re:Plug-Spreading? by nonBORG · · Score: 0

      First of all mostly the wall warts are designed by a Chinese company and branded for you, When selecting a suitable wall wart (I have done this for products) the most important things are.

      1. Specifications (voltage/current)
      2. Compliance (FCC etc)
      3. Leadtimes etc
      4. Price.
      5. Appearance.

      Space on the plug board does not even make it to the important list, sort of under appearance.
      I did happen to find a wall wart that only used one slot and not only that it was best for all categories for my product.
      These things are a few dollars each (I think they were US$2 - 3 for 10k units. That was 5V 1A)


      Many products you buy you will select on brand/specs/price but I doubt that you will select on the wall wart size, if you even know what the wall wart looks like before you buy the product. Business is consumer driven so if enough people complain back to the companies making the products it will go back to the china designers and they will make products that their customers demand.

      For batteries we designed a product and had to work for a long time on power management as the marketing guys said that customers will accept 4 AA batteries but no more, this goes into the design of the size shape etc. The thing had to draw zero as all our power was used powering the outputs to last what was required by the proposed product spec. If marketing guys said that the market will only accept wall warts that take only one slot there would be no other type. You have it because you put up with it. They need customer feedback.

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    38. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --To which I reply, why wait?? Especially if you have Prime:

      https://www.amazon.com/ClearMa...

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    39. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why care what some shitty android pkging format does. use apple stuff. It Just Works(TM).

    40. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should start thinking about less retarded sockets? In Europe we figured that out a very long time ago. Like many other things.

    41. Re:Plug-Spreading? by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      (Doesn't everyone have the day off?)

      This might come as a shock to you Americans, but United States Independence Day is not an international holiday.

    42. Re:Plug-Spreading? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Save some money and order from monoprice. Probably way faster shipping too.

    43. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why so few electronics devices that come with wallwarts actually have any indication on the wallwart what the device it came with is

      Because you can use any wallwart with the same voltage/wattage and plug shape. Electrical specs are printed on all my wallwarts and devices.

    44. Re:Plug-Spreading? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here's the solution: Outlet Extender/Outlet Saver/Power Extension Cable - 10 Pack

      Plug one of these into an outlet or power strip, and then plug the wall wart into the other end.

      I keep one in my backpack, a few in my desk at work, and several spares at home.

    45. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting mainstream media plays gender games again.

      No-one ever wants to criticise women.

      Women are the ones who put their bags on seats... 99.9% of times. Thoughtless, rude, inconsiderate. But hey... let's pretend it's men that do it.

    46. Re:Plug-Spreading? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The Samsung charger he complains about in TFA has the same feature. It's pretty common on USB chargers now, not least because it's cheaper to make a universal voltage 3A/5V charger and then supply each country with the right adapter for local sockets.

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    47. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Cryacin · · Score: 2, Funny

      This whole article shows us what happens when #nerdrage meets #metoo and #SJW.

      Plugspreading? Stop Nerdsplainin.

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    48. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy a silver sharpie and label it yourself. First thing I do with gear after making sure it isn't DOA. Unlike with label makers, it won't peel off later.

    49. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dongles.
      Dongles for your dongles.
      Dongles for the dongles for your dongles.
      It's dongles all the way down!?

    50. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      idk perhaps don't click "buttsharpies" at work hey

    51. Re:Plug-Spreading? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Then you end up daisy chaining three or more power extension connectors from the one electric socket and coiling up all the excess cable.

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    52. Re:Plug-Spreading? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Apple adapters for the computers come with a plug that slots directly into the adapter (as per the photo in TFA) or a plug on a cable with an attachment that slots into the adapter at the other end. The cable looks something like this:

      https://www.amazon.co.uk/exten...

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    53. Re:Plug-Spreading? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The problem is specific to Australia. The article questions "why" over and over again, and the answer is simple: You're a country of 21million people you don't get a special design. Especially considering that in the cases where alternative designs were chosen he went out of his way to find a situation where it wouldn't work again. It is a useless angry rant for the purpose of being angry. Seriously, how many people have a plug so close to the ground that they can't plug their Macbook charger in?

      Take other countries for instance. The Australian socket forces polarity, but most sockets for such low power applications do not. European, American and other standards often don't force polarity or force it only for higher current devices, end result your Samsung charger can plug in upside down and works just fine in both side by side and vertical applications. Likewise powerboards are at 90degrees compared to wall plugs layouts so you can put as many Samsung chargers in as you want. Or Apple or Nintendo.

    54. Re:Plug-Spreading? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The purpose is to avoid you cramming in too many things without a chance of airflow for cooling.

      I'd always wondered why the size of the plug was proportional to the power it draws.

      Oh wait, I haven't. Because it isn't.

      Yes they are. They are directly proportional to the power they draw. They are not always proportional to the power they deliver due to inefficiencies but they are very close to proportional to the power they draw.

      Seriously go open a large and small power adapter and be amazed at the lack of free space in both designs.

    55. Re:Plug-Spreading? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but in other countries socket spacing is much greater to being with, so it is not a problem. The issue is that they basically use the same case regardless of the destination country so in some countries it is sub optimal. I have a number of wall warts where the country specific plug bit actually clips off and you get a bunch of them in the box, and no there where not specifically sold as travel adaptors either.

    56. Re:Plug-Spreading? by chrish · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't seem to be shipping those anymore, at least with MacBook Pro hardware. I'm sure it shaves a few cents off the BOM for that $3500 CAD device.

      Thanks, Cook!

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    57. Re:Plug-Spreading? by null+etc. · · Score: 1

      These are amazing. There are even variants, albeit expensive, that offer flat heads that rotate 360 degrees, for maximum positional flexibility.

    58. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putting the power supply at the plug reduces emissions, making it easier to get certification.

    59. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Albanach · · Score: 1

      I really like these, also a bit more expensive, but which have a passthrough outlet.

    60. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I'd always wondered why the size of the plug was proportional to the power it draws.

      It is proportional. It's also inversely proportional to the build quality, which is proportional to the cost. I guess what I'm saying is smaller converters are lower in power or made better.

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    61. Re: Plug-Spreading? by gnick · · Score: 1, Funny

      #metoo

      Am I the only one that reads this as "pound-me-too"?

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    62. Re:Plug-Spreading? by gnick · · Score: 1

      Maybe for you. I was off yesterday, Wednesday the 4th.

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    63. Re:Plug-Spreading? by quintus_horatius · · Score: 1

      I don't think the complaint is about external power adapters per se, it's that those wall-wart adapters have a terrible form-factor. They only work well if you're plugging one (and only one) into a wall-mounted receptacle, and that wall outlet is oriented in a specific way. Two won't work, as they typically try to face the same way and the top one interferes with the bottom one.

      They also don't work so well if the receptacle is sideways, or upside-down, even though technically there is no required orientation for installing the receptacle. Their orientation prevents more than a couple from being plugged in to a typical "vertical" power strip, and if you're using a side-by-side orientation some will interfere with the plugs to either side because they're so wide.

      A better design would incorporate a short cord; that cord could include a third prong to increase safety. Now your wall-wart can sit on the floor and co-exist with other adapters no matter what they're all plugged into. Wall-mounted receptacle and power strip are all fine.

    64. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the link.

      I use Power Squids but this is the same idea.

    65. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Wall Warts. They've been doing this for 50 years.

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    66. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does version control have to do with this?

    67. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that keeping an extension cord plugged in is an OSHA violation :(

    68. Re:Plug-Spreading? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "The problem is specific to Australia. The article questions "why" over and over again"

      It's not specific to Australia. It happens in Europe, the USA and the UK too.

      The Australian socket is virtually identical to a 1920s US 230V socket and they use NEMA box dimensions. Europe uses 86mm boxes. The fun starts when wall warts and other things all use oddball dimensions which step outside the 65mm that's allowed for a plug body and cable and the solution is to use wider socket spacing.

      As for wall warts - if you need to use a bunch of them, then it's time to look at using a larger PSU. It's usually more efficient.

    69. Re:Plug-Spreading? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It's not specific. It's quite rare in Europe, and you clearly didn't read my second paragraph at all.

      Yes there will always be the odd ball case, the the overwhelming majority of devices fit just fine in European sockets and if they don't, they do if you just spin them.

      Australia has a very specific problem with it's default socket outlet layout and default powerboard layout.

    70. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wondering where the heck that plug was from, the standard looks like nothing I've encountered, somewhat the British standard, (with the switch on top of it, and general size, but also at least a bit similar to what is standard in the US (the thin spade plugs, though at a different angle) and that pretty much sums up the Issue. the adapters aren't designed for Australia. they are designed for somewhere else, and get shoehorned into working for the AU plugs. im not saying that this isn't a problem elsewhere, it certainly is, but those specific problems, yeah AU just gets boned because its not made there, and the market isn't large enough for people to design for it

    71. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just need to get the right power-strip, at the very least one that has the sockets "side ways", not just all in line, which is just easier to manufacture...

    72. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction:. Voltage/wattage, plug shape, and most importantly, polarity. Negative center vs positive center can fry your gear!!!

    73. Re:Plug-Spreading? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Different countries have different holidays.

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    74. Re:Plug-Spreading? by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1
    75. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, use an engraver. Unlike with markers, it will never wipe off.

    76. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I've never been anywhere where the wall sockets take those.

      Hmm, they look a bit like those that come with universal adapters, where you always lose the ones you actually need and have a drawer full of the others. And aren't the pins a bit close together for 240V?

      Oh wait, you're talking about an entirely fucking different thing, you 'dromie.

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    77. Re:Plug-Spreading? by houghi · · Score: 1

      What country is Wednesday the 4th a holiday? That would happen several times per year. I am all for it, just curious.

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    78. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be proportional to the wasted current not used current.

    79. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the problem. You have a wart that uses just over 1/3 of the width of the 3 sockets. You plug it in to the middle. The 2 end sockets have been rendered unavailable.

    80. Re:Plug-Spreading? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I think it was Americans taking July the 4th off, which was a Wednesday this year. Most countries don't have that as a holiday.

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    81. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reasonable alternative is simply to include a power adapter either with a female socket or, at the very least, with a wire leading to the plug.

    82. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are a rip off. You can buy dollar tree strips/extenders for $1 (not that that was a surprise right?) and they have 3 outlets (though generally I can only use two of them because of the aforementioned fat plug issue). Just remember that these are extenders only and don't provide surge protection.

    83. Re:Plug-Spreading? by UsuallyReasonable · · Score: 1

      Yup. I use those. 100% solution.

    84. Re:Plug-Spreading? by gnick · · Score: 1

      What country is Wednesday the 4th a holiday? That would happen several times per year.

      Several? My math says an average of less than twice. July 4th, the USA's Independence Day, happens once.

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    85. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      Careful, they'll blog about you!

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    86. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I like how they're rated for 20 amps just in case you decide to boil 8 kettles at once.

      These (and the other variants) are neat, but when you see a load of neat solutions on sale I always think that's a symptom that there's a sub-optimal design somewhere.

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    87. Re: Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leaving you to guess about it based upon the output and polarity before inserting it into the device hoping for a fit.

      And thatâ(TM)s what labelmakers are for. Immediately label the device with the source, purchase date, serial # (if that barely readable fscking light grey on grey!!), and the wall wart, the device name/model.

      So when you move tech around, you know what goes with what.

    88. Re:Plug-Spreading? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "and if they don't, they do if you just spin them."

      Try doing that in France. That earth pin is problematic.

    89. Re:Plug-Spreading? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Try doing that in France. That earth pin is problematic.

      Works just fine in France too. The devices which use these power supplies are double insulated and thus don't require earth or polar connections, they are universally Type C. The earth pin of a Type E socket does not prevent you flipping a Type C plug around.

    90. Re: Plug-Spreading? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      I engage my printer, where I've made Microsoft Word or maybe even Notpad print the word, "5 TB Disk" or "Media Player" or "7 Port USB 2.0 Hub." I then take a pair of scissors, cut those words out of the printed paper, place them on the wallwart, and then use some transparent tape to put them on the matching wallwart.

      As for the original problem, yeah, those 12" long "extension cords" that plug into a power strip or even a wall outlet, and then you plug the wallwart into it, are the answer for "spreading" problems. I have one power strip with about 5 or 6 of those for my entertainment center with the little desktop computer, USB-3 Hub, HDMI remote IR-controlled switch, IR-remote amplifier-distributor, etc. Biggest rats-nest of wires I have, except for possibly the ham radio shack.

    91. Re:Plug-Spreading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also why many electronic devices have cases with curves or "unnecessary" protrusions: So you don't put things on top or right next to them.

      lol citation needed.

  2. What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are you on drugs?

    1. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Travelsonic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He is talking about, I think, plugs whose designs are such where if you needed to plug it in to a power strip, you needed to fit it in on one end, or else you're covering up one or more other outlets in the strip (and as a result unable to use said plugs).

      Seriously, why couldn't they design the plug to take up vertical space, and not horizontal space?

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    2. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by war4peace · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, why couldn't they design the plug to take up vertical space, and not horizontal space?

      They have. And it's equally bad. There's even an animation in TFA depincting that very situation.
      What needs to happen is to have a regular, small footprint plug continued with a wire which goes into the AC/DC converter itself. problem solved. Everyone's happy.

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    3. Re: What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plug strips designed for wall warts.

      TFA is just using the wrong tool for the job and is obviously frustrated.

    4. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      The one in the video in that article does just that: it's narrow enough to only take up one slot. In order to plug it in he just needs to flip it around. Oh wait, he can't, because of the weirdly designed wall plug that only accepts one orientation...

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    5. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Australian, I think. Yoorpan ones (at least the 2 pin kind) are flippable.

      Though in both cases he could have put it in the other socket of the pair...

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    6. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      " continued with a wire"

      The point is that "wall-warts" should not exist.

      MANY devices have a cord, then the adapter, then more cord.

      I've owned 4 laptops, and they all have a cord before the adapter.
      Have of my external hard drives have wall-warts, the others have mid-cord adapters. Unfortunately, my most recent external harddrives have wall-warts, which sucks.
      My Xbox 360 and Wii both have mid-cord adapters.
      The HTC Vive unfortunately uses wall-warts - 3 of them!

    7. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one in the video in that article does just that: it's narrow enough to only take up one slot. In order to plug it in he just needs to flip it around. Oh wait, he can't, because of the weirdly designed wall plug that only accepts one orientation...

      LOL.

      Eurofags can't even design a proper electrical socket.

    8. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Maybe don't buy cheap crap or stop complaining that it is cheap crap? I really do not have that problem, but my power-strip was not the cheapest bargain-bin item either.

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    9. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by sjames · · Score: 1

      HERESY! That would cost an extra $0,05!

    10. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      That has its own downsides:

      Firstly, this would make smartphone chargers unneccessarily big. Those things fit in a pocket and it's good that way. (The oh-so-terrible waste of space by a smartphone charger shown in TFA could have been solved by moving the charger one outlet to the right. The horror.)

      Secondly, this would mean adding cables rated for 240V AC to devices that are supposed to supply 5V or maybe 12V DC. That's a waste of copper.

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    11. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen one with the sockets spaced out. I just usually buy the next number up.

      But at least two of the examples in TFA concern actual wall sockets, you fat dolt.

    12. Re: What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have seen plug strips that can take up to 8 wall warts. They're usually set up like wall outlets but with more space between the outlets. Yeah they are bigger, boxier, and costlier but they last forever and you don't have to rearrange your wall warts and normal cables to make it all fit.

    13. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by corydoras · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong, but I think the wires need to be rated for the amperage, not the voltage. Whatever the amperage you're drawing at 5v, you can divide by 48 for 240v (plus a bit for conversion inefficiency).

    14. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Yes, for small ones all you need is to have the USB port protrude from the back of the charger.

      Secondly, this would mean adding cables rated for 240V AC to devices that are supposed to supply 5V or maybe 12V DC. That's a waste of copper.

      Cables are rated for power consumption (amperage). A fast charger (1.67A @9V) would consume a maximum of 20W, maybe, considering efficiency loss. That would be equal to 0.09A at 240V AC.

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    15. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Well I would imagine the reason they go with wall warts is for a very simple reason, it costs less.

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    16. Re: What the fuck are you talking about? by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Firstly, this would make smartphone chargers unneccessarily big.

      Why? All you would need to add is essentially a 2 inch long extension cord. How much bulk would that add? Seems like they would still fit in a pocket just fine.

    17. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 1

      I think this is a regional difference. Where I am all plugs are stacked on top of each other not side by side. So that Samsung design is Perfect. Compare that to an old DC Wall wart where you can't plug it in the top plug with out blocking the bottom plug.

      Power strips come in both orientations so as a designer your screwed. Thing that really bugs me about that article is his complaint about the apple charger. When it has a removable plug adapter so you can plug an extension cord in to it. We can make fun of it catching on fire, fraying and all the other things the design does, but plug ability isn't one of them.

      This just seamed like a excuse to rant.

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    18. Re: What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not a Europeean plug.

    19. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Drishmung · · Score: 1
      It's a Type I http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/t..., found in 20 countries. Probably Australian in this case.

      The Type I was originally an old USA 220v design. It's the standard Type A, but with the prongs slanted so you can't mistakingly plug 110v into 220v or vice versa, plus with an earth pin added (but you can still use a 2-pin Type I plug in a 3-pin socket, just like you can use a Type A plug in a Type B socket). Plus, for those distribution systems that use phase/neutral, if makes sure that the phase plug goes into the phase socket. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

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    20. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like my thinkpad power supplies. Which you can even swap out for different plug formats. Nice and tidy with a tiny brick. I'm good with this. I have a lot of small electronics gear and they all have the fucking wallwart, which wouldn't be so bad if they maintained a smaller footprint so you could align them correctly on a typical strip, but no, they are too fat to do so so you waste every other plug. And it's not like it's completely necessary: you pull one apart and y ou see it's mostly fucking empty. WTF guys.

    21. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      (The oh-so-terrible waste of space by a smartphone charger shown in TFA could have been solved by moving the charger one outlet to the right. The horror.)

      Sure that would work, unless you have 2 devices and they both "spread" right.

      Firstly, this would make smartphone chargers unneccessarily big. Those things fit in a pocket and it's good that way.

      Clearly, the Samsung charger is not the only way to do it:
      https://www.apple.com/us/shop/...

      Of course $19.00 USD for a 50 cent part is a whole other issue.

    22. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      It's designed that way so that you can't accidentally flip active and neutral.

      So, for example, if I have a desk lamp with a blown lightbulb and I turn it off using the switch in the lamp (which is a simple switch in series in the active line), I can poke and prod the exposed terminals in the lightbulb socket without risk of injury. If you have a plug that can be flipped, you can still turn off the lamp with the switch, but when it's off there will be now live power present in the socket because your plug is in backwards and you're now switching the neutral line.

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    23. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I now buy power strips with better spacing, specifically to accommodate power bricks.

      Problem solved.

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    24. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by lsllll · · Score: 1

      You're not wrong. A Tesla coil moves hundreds of thousands of volts through a very, very thin wire. It's all about amperage.

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    25. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Megane · · Score: 1

      That's great, except that polarity doesn't matter for most things these days. That's why US plugs just have the neutral pin be slightly wider. It still allows non-polarized plugs in either orientation, while enforcing polarity for those things that need it, like lamps with screw-base bulbs. The typical dual outlet will let you plug in two wall-warts of almost any dimensions, except for those really annoying rare ones that are too wide in all four directions.

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    26. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      I was going to ignore the garbage, but then saw over 200 comments and was wondering why so many people read it.

    27. Re: What the fuck are you talking about? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      add is essentially a 2 inch long extension cord.

      2 inches is really a bit too short, maybe 4 or 6".

      Look for:
      Power Extension Cord Cable,
      3 Prong Y Splitter Cable Power Extension Cord

      The first is a 12" long extension plug, not 2". The 2nd is a literal Y power cable. I got a bunch back (Monoprice? $1.50 per item? Cheap, that's why I got 2 dozen.) They're a little bit of a hassle and kinda flop over and get in the way, but it's the best solution to the weird vertical then horizontal type power connectors. Murphy's Law applies here: If you've got a Vert power strip you have Hor plugs which interfere, and vice-versa. Large spaced strips help somewhat but I always need more than I have.

      Amazon's got the first for $2.20 each (net, x10, B00CEJW0WQ) and the second for $4 each (net, x5, B01F66AE5I) I got the Y cables for much less 2 years ago. Haven't a clue if these particular ones are any good, they were the first in a random search.

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    28. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cables are rated for power consumption (amperage).

      They are rated for both.

      The wires in the cable need to support the current (amperage) and the isolation needs to block out the voltage.

      For 240V cables that are mounted in an area that you can touch you are required to use cables with double isolation layers to ensure that a breakdown of one layer doesn't cause a hazard.
      Cables can also have different current rating depending on if they are free hanging or mounted on or in a wall since this will reduce the possible cooling.

      Either way, you usually want to get down below that sweet 48V behind a fuse as quickly as possible since everything related to safety and fire hazards after that is a piece of cake.

    29. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Or better still let's all just standardize on USB for DC power. The EU has already mandated it for phones and the like, and really most stuff that needs DC power could be using USB.

      With USB3.0 you can get up to 20V and 100W total so even things like laptops or devices that need 12V can be USB powered now. The connectors are small, the cables are cheap, you can get wall outlets with them built in, cars have them, airplanes have them, USB power banks are already popular...

      USB should be the de-facto standard for all DC devices unless they have a very good reason to use something else.

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    30. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      "Some plugs (i.e. those with built in chargers) are so big they cover neighbouring sockets. This is annoying"

      Hoep this summary helps.

    31. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can poke and prod the exposed terminals in the lightbulb socket without risk of injury.

      Don't.
      It is safe most of the time but it isn't completely without risk of injury.

      The neutral isn't safety ground. The neutral carries the return current of everything else on it.
      Any ground failure (Single failure scenario.) will make it just as dangerous as the active.

      Remember, the lightbulb socket design is very old and is allowed as it is because of backwards compatibility.
      If designed today there is no way either of active and neutral would be allowed to be exposed.
      Only safety ground should be exposed to the end user.

      I'm haven't read up on the regulations but I think that it is illegal to leave a lamp socket exposed in public spaces.
      If a lamp is broken you should either replace it with a new one or leave the broken one in.

    32. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Thing that really bugs me about that article is his complaint about the apple charger. "

      Fanboi.

    33. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      They need to be rated for both. A Voltage difference between two wires of 220 Volts, common in European AC power outlets, can arc across a greater insulating cover than a US 120 Volt connectoin, thought the US wires will normally be handling twice as much current. And every foot of power cable or new connector in the mix also adds more points to fail, and more resistive power loss.

      Cords that can handle both are quite common place. _Plugs_ are a bit more difficult to design, I think. Carrying multiple power cords or adapters for the multiple wall connections is quite common for European travelers: many of us who've visited strongly prefer to have a good power supply and carry a few different modest power cords, rther than a box of power adapters unlikely to fit well.

    34. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Note how that tiny Apple charger is limited to 5W, or 1A. Samsung chargers put out 3x that much power to charge your phone more rapidly.

      And in fact Apple do make higher power ones, especially for devices like iPads that would take forever to charge at 1A. An iPad Pro would take about 15 hours to charge at 1A, maybe more.

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    35. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Or better still let's all just standardize on USB for DC power.

      Nope. They chose too low a voltage.

      With USB3.0 you can get up to 20V and 100W total so even things like laptops or devices that need 12V can be USB powered now.

      Yes, much more expensively than the current solution... which means it's not a viable replacement.

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    36. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Too low a voltage for what?

      Even for stuff like charging small lead acid batteries a simple boost converter is all you need.

      There are devices which USB can't charge, but the vast majority of DC stuff would be fine with it. Often is fine with it as it's become a de-facto standard.

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    37. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Too low a voltage for what?

      To get a decent amount of power through the wire. You have to negotiate voltage for that, which costs money. It's far cheaper to just specify a wall wart. It's a problem for few enough people that it's really just not a problem. You can simply buy a power strip that is designed to accommodate them, done and done. You don't even need stupid extension cables.

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    38. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      A decent amount of power for what? What common devices are we talking about here?

      Laptops have already moved to USB PD. What other high power DC devices warrant replacing USB with something else?

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    39. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      What needs to happen is to have a regular, small footprint plug continued with a wire which goes into the AC/DC converter itself. problem solved. Everyone's happy.

      I hate those adapters. I want the larger power brick and the corresponding lighter cord. I hate adapters that think they should be in the middle of the cord, which means they drag or otherwise prevent easy movement.

      I suppose I should point out my UPSes and power strips have extra space between the plugs for just that reason. I recommend those models

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    40. Re: What the fuck are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir, are full of shit.
      Yes, if there is a break in the neutral, it can be pulled to hot potential. The same is true of the safety ground with much more serious consequences. And there is no restriction on when to change light bulbs. If there were, every light fixture would be required to come with a bulb. Or even better, required to come with a non-removable bulb.

    41. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Admittedly this is a problem I did not consider because I'm from Germany and our plugs are reversible. Likewise, plugspreading is less of a problem because most power strips have the sockets at a 45-degree angle. Purely Europlug power strips are affected but few people use them because they're incompatibe with Schuko plugs.

      Besides, plugspreading becomes less of a problem if you buy a multi-port USB power brick or two. I just spent fifteen bucks on a 30W three-port brick with one Quick Charge 3 port. It's not much bigger than your typical smartphone charger, has its USB ports at the end and replaces three separate chargers. That cleared up a lot of space on the power strip.

      Or you can go straight for a power strip with built-in USB ports.

      (As for the Apple: You do realize that it only supplies 5W? Their 12W device has a less convenient form factor - in fact, the 18W charger that came with my smartphone has a smaller footprint than Apple's 12W one.)

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    42. Re: What the fuck are you talking about? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I have a bunch of those Y-splitters and they're great, but that's not what we were talking about.

    43. Re:What the fuck are you talking about? by martinfb · · Score: 1

      We should have electricity distributed the way Tesla intended - wirelessly!

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  3. What the fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some dude babbling about plugs is stuff that matter? Jesus Christ bring back that hellmouth guy, this is utter shit

    1. Re: What the fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://m.imgur.com/gallery/EqUnSLI

    2. Re:What the fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, a creimer eBook would be better than this.

    3. Re:What the fuck by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

      I call it "blogspreading". Shitty rants that nobody cares about that blocks space that could have been used by something worthwhile.

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  4. So are autoplaying videos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you cnet.

    1. Re:So are autoplaying videos! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      I call it "videospreading". Useless auto-playing videos that nobody cares about, wasting bandwidth that could have been used by something worthwhile.

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    2. Re:So are autoplaying videos! by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 2

      This actually needs its own article. Every news site now includes an autoplay video in the article which 99% of the time isn't even a video, it's just a static picture that pans across with text over it. What is the fucking point of this?!?
      Seriously, fuck video. If I want video I go to Youtube or Netflix. Save web pages for text and images only.

    3. Re:So are autoplaying videos! by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      GIFspreading is also really trendy. Having animated GIFs instead of static images in articles.

    4. Re:So are autoplaying videos! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      VideoGIFspreading is also a thing. Replacing auto-playing videos by videos converted to GIF, so not only is there no sound but the "video" takes almost 10 times as much bandwidth to download.

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  5. WTH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have no idea WTF this is about?

    Can a millennial please explain this to me?

    1. Re:WTH? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Newly invented term to describe a "wall-wart" to millennials.

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    2. Re:WTH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Millennial here, I have no idea.

      Also fuck you.

    3. Re:WTH? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think the technical term is "huge ass wall-wart".

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    4. Re:WTH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better description? This device has big plugtux!

  6. No. Just No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bad Slashdot.

  7. I love 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you can't tell anymore whether articles like this are satire or not you know why "millenial" has become an insult.

    1. Re:I love 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #MicroscopicThingsInLifeMatter. Then again, we get art and literature through these kinds of "enhanced observations" of the world.

    2. Re:I love 2018 by blind+biker · · Score: 2

      I don't know about millenial, but "feminist" is definitely an insult of high order.

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    3. Re:I love 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only to a misogynist like yourself. Why are you afraid of women that stand up for themselves, coward?

    4. Re:I love 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, "feminist" has a gender. And according to this historian of medicine, "ththththere is no thuch thththing as biological thex". I kept expecting him to say "be vewy, vewy quiet! I'm hunting male patwiarcth!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Jordan Peterson was taking apart this fool in a public debate.

      The idea that all biologically inherited characteristics merge over time to a mixed state and do not have inheritable, distinct, binary states was refuted by Gregor Mendel around 1860 and documented as Mendelian genetics, in which binary inheritance is a *very* real and experimentally verified phenomenon. The concept that a "historian of medicine" could spout such complete nonsense means he didn't spend any *attention* on the medicine part, and was busy "thtudying hith feelingth and perthonal thenthe of identity for inthighth". What a loon!!!!

    5. Re:I love 2018 by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Only to a misogynist like yourself. Why are you afraid of women that stand up for themselves, coward?

      And out comes the militant feminist, slinging character assassinations left and right. Must be a pretty miserable life, being you.

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    6. Re:I love 2018 by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      I watched the entire debate. Peterson was brilliant as usual. But I don't get the point of that minuscule little snippet of the video.

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    7. Re:I love 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Third wave has completely destroyed all the good will gained by the first and second.

    8. Re:I love 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is "biker"

    9. Re:I love 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When misspelled, it certainly is.

  8. The solution: short extension cords by PhotoJim · · Score: 4, Informative

    https://www.amazon.com/Etekcit... Like these ones, as a simple example.

    These things (or other similar ones by other companies) are a godsend, even if they are somewhat overpriced. I must have 30 or 40 of them in my house.

    You can also get long power bars with as many as ten outlets that are well spaced - enough to permit use of most wall wart-type plugs without needing these cords.

    1. Re:The solution: short extension cords by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Funny

      Goddamnit, Jim - if you engage in topical responses they will post more of this shite.

      Complaints, only, man.

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    2. Re:The solution: short extension cords by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 2

      > You can also get long power bars with as many as ten outlets that are well spaced - enough to permit use of most wall wart-type plugs without needing these cords.

      Yes, I have those. I shouldn't need to have them though.

    3. Re:The solution: short extension cords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but we shouldn't have to fix the problem, the problem should be stopped BY THE MANUFACTURERS.

    4. Re:The solution: short extension cords by fisted · · Score: 1

      You can also get long power bars with as many as ten outlets that are well spaced

      Bonus points for getting the cheapest you can find in the hardware store and watch as it melts down after exceeding the small amount of current it can handle safely.

    5. Re:The solution: short extension cords by PhotoJim · · Score: 1

      Retailers can provide friendlier plugs, but it will likely raise product prices. If we demand them, though, companies will provide them.

    6. Re:The solution: short extension cords by PhotoJim · · Score: 1

      If we'd pay more for stuff, they'd probably fix it for us.

    7. Re:The solution: short extension cords by PhotoJim · · Score: 1

      I liberated mine from Micro Center to Canada, and so far, so good.

  9. Extension Cord? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually the real problem is most homes are not wired for DC power. The plugs in the wall are designed for high powered appliances like Vacuum cleaners, Air Conditioners, Fans, Mixers, and Incandescent light bulbs.
    Most of the devices we plug in today are DC power. So we need a rather large brick to convert the AC current to DC at the correct levels, and safety.

    If homes and offices were wired for DC plugs (Say the High Power USB Standard) then we wouldn't need such bricks, and wouldn't need to carry around these devices that are heaver then the devices we are actually wanting to use. I expect if homes has a Single AC to DC converter then we would probably on the average save a lot of energy as well.

    However in the mean time, either get an Extension cord to give some space for the brick and room for an other plug, or deal with it.

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    1. Re:Extension Cord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High Power USB is still only 20V. What gauge and length of conductor are you proposing?

    2. Re:Extension Cord? by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'll "never" see "whole-house" 12v (or less) DC converters, because the cost of the thick wire you'd need to supply potentially dozens of amperes to every outlet in the house would cost a small fortune. 48v might be do-able... but at that point, you almost might as well just leave it as 110-240v ac, because either way, you'd need voltage conversion at the device itself.

      Embedding the DC adapters into the outlet itself is somewhat viable (witness the popularity of power outlets with embedded USB power ports). The problem THERE is, every goddamn time we get what appears to be a viable standard, it ends up becoming obsolete within 2-3 years ANYWAY.

      So far, I've personally been through four rounds of outlet-replacement:

      Round 1: put outlets with a pair of built-in 500mA USB ports in 3 places.

      Round 2: replaced the 500mA outlets with new ones that could supply 1A to one port, and 3.1A to the other, and moved the 500mA outlets to 3 new locations.

      Round 3: replaced the3.1+1.0 outlets with new ones capable of Qualcomm Quickcharge, replaced the 500mA outlets with the 3.1+1.0 outlets, and threw away the 500mA outlets because they were only usable with single-gang configurations, and all of the remaining outlets in my house where I wanted to put them were double-gang.

      Round 4: replaced the 3 quickcharge outlets with new ones that had one quickcharge 2.0 outlet that could also supply 3.1A to an iPad, and one USB-C outlet.

      There isn't going to be a Round 5. When the day comes that I get my first device that genuinely needs 12v+ via USB power delivery, I'm screwing a 2-to-6 outlet adapter into the existing outlets, buying a half-dozen 99c power adapters from China, and just leaving an appropriate assortment of them permanently plugged into the lower 3 outlets. I've had it with endlessly replacing power outlets every 1-2 years.

    3. Re:Extension Cord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If homes and offices were wired for DC plugs (Say the High Power USB Standard) then we wouldn't need such bricks, and wouldn't need to carry around these devices that are heaver then the devices we are actually wanting to use. I expect if homes has a Single AC to DC converter then we would probably on the average save a lot of energy as well.

      I think you seriously lost sight about why we are having voltages like 230V in our homes in the first place. You want to transmit the same amount of energy at 5V and your currents will be 46 times larger, so your wires will need 46 times the cross section for equal energy loss, or 46^2/3 the cross section for equal temperature (energy losses will increase by 46^1/3 but so will the radiating surface area).

      Now modern power supplies don't actually use AC and could start off 325V DC instead. That saves you a bridge rectifier and primary capacito (both of which you can centralize then but you'll want some redundancy). Those don't actually make for a whole lot of bulk in a wall wart however since they are operating at comparatively low currents.

    4. Re:Extension Cord? by sjames · · Score: 2

      You'd lose that bet. You'd need wires the size of small tree trunks to keep the resistive losses under control.

    5. Re:Extension Cord? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm screwing a 2-to-6 outlet adapter into the existing outlets, buying a half-dozen 99c power adapters from China, and double checking my fire insurance

      FTFY.

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    6. Re:Extension Cord? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      No kidding. If there's any reason an insurance company will deny a claim, it's electrical equipment not rated by underwriters laboratories - that will almost certainly be in the policy fine print.

    7. Re:Extension Cord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You'd need wires the size of small tree trunks to keep the resistive losses under control.

      Not always, just for most places.

      In California where you may only have two rooms in your home total, you could likely get away with wires only as thick as your arm.

      Going more than about 50 feet of course would be about as thick as a chunky leg, and 100 feet would need the tree trunk tick wiring.

      Not sure what rich people would do in their mansions. Probably a kitten burning generator in each room or something...

    8. Re:Extension Cord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll "never" see "whole-house" 12v (or less) DC converters, because the cost of the thick wire you'd need to supply potentially dozens of amperes to every outlet in the house would cost a small fortune. 48v might be do-able... but at that point, you almost might as well just leave it as 110-240v ac, because either way, you'd need voltage conversion at the device itself.

      Yep, the people who tend to bring this up are always people who know jack-all about electricity. Also at least in my house the vast majority of items that use power are NOT low-voltage DC electronics and widgets, maybe some tiny apartment dweller thinks this way.

      I'm doing design right now for a new rack room and because of how thick those DC wires would have to be is why most of the hardware is either AC, has the AC/DC power supply in it's specific cabinet, or has a bank of them in the cabinet right next to the user so that we can minimize the DC runs.

    9. Re:Extension Cord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came here to say this. Thanks for adding sanity

    10. Re:Extension Cord? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      USB "evolution" is one thing, but there's a huge class of devices that have used 12 VDC via barrel plugs for decades. It's also easier than 5 V current-wise. The only potential (pun intended) confusion is that these plugs generally exist for power input, while the 12 V comes from a wall wart; you'd need somewhat standard output sockets at the powerbar.

      I've seen several monitors that output 12 V for powered speakers etc, but they use the same barrel sockets, and a symmetric male-male cable will be confusing compared to unidirectional power leads. For example, now you can plug a wall wart output into the powerbar output...

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    11. Re:Extension Cord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a fucking moron? "Just most places"? Please set yourself on fire so your stupid DC power plan doesn't have to.

    12. Re:Extension Cord? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The wall plates are not really supposed to replace dedicated chargers for things that need very high current. They are supposed to make it convenient to supply an amp or so to all the random battery powered devices you have that need periodic charging.

      I have a load of 1A chargers around because the only thing I really need to fast charge is my phone, and then only very rarely. In fact it's better to charge at 1A most of the time because charging at 3A wears the battery out faster, and doing it regularly adds up.

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    13. Re:Extension Cord? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If homes and offices were wired for DC plugs (Say the High Power USB Standard) then we wouldn't need such bricks

      Of coruse you would. Does your device require 5V, 9V, 12V, 15V, 24V? How much power are you drawing during your conversion? Just how much current and how big of a connector do you think your wall outlet would need to deliver the power for your whole PC, TV, or Soundsystem?

      If we were wired for DC we would still be converting between voltages, and bonus points we would have far bulkier connectors and super expensive wiring to boot.

    14. Re:Extension Cord? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      48v DC would have the advantage that you wouldn't need a licensed electrician to wire it or do any fixes (in the US at least), it'd have the disadvantage that you'd need a a decent amount of intelligence in the system to do the negotiations to determine coltage to deliver (assuming we were going with USB C high voltage standards).

      I could see use for a 5v circuit though. That gets you 7 USB ports (2amp each and margin) for a typical wire 12 gauge run. Essentially you could light up a room with small device charging conveniently placed with a single run.

      I'm not convinced the waste of the converters is so bad though, considering how low the total draw of small devices is, there's not that many of then, and they don't use that much power.

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    15. Re:Extension Cord? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You'd lose that bet. You'd need wires the size of small tree trunks to keep the resistive losses under control.

      You could run 48VDC around without TOO horribly large wire, and then convert it for your DC stuff with simple and cheap buck converters. You wouldn't be putting space heaters or major appliances on it, so it doesn't have to be able to carry a whole house's worth of current.

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    16. Re:Extension Cord? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's still going to be a fair investment and you end up with needing a wart on the end anyway. All you save is a small transformer and a cap or two on the appliance end.

      What does make sense is if devices can standardize on 5VDC, power several from a powered USB hub with a single better quality power supply that has a standard zip cord and NEMA plug. It's backward compatible with the wiring already in every home and dowsn't waste hardware on rooms that have no DC powered devices.

    17. Re:Extension Cord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Closest thing to a viable standard for wiring up a home = PoE (48V)

  10. Blocking the outlet? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OMG! Too bad there's *no* way to solve this problem.

    [ Sigh... (a) Why is this a story and (b) Why is this a story on /. ? ]

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    1. Re:Blocking the outlet? by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not a solution. That's a work-around to design that does not bother to take even the slightest consideration of actual usage. Of course you can fix it. I can take the damn power supplies apart and internally connect longer wires and re-encase the transformers if I wanted to. I don't want to. I want to buy a power connector that takes these things into proper consideration. I shouldn't have to work around it. Somewhere, there was somebody actually "PAID" to "DESIGN" this crap. Don't you think they should be held accountable for their incompetence?

    2. Re:Blocking the outlet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The burden should not be placed on the consumer to "solve" the problem.

    3. Re:Blocking the outlet? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's not a solution. That's a work-around to design that does not bother to take even the slightest consideration of actual usage. Of course you can fix it. I can take the damn power supplies apart and internally connect longer wires and re-encase the transformers if I wanted to. I don't want to. I want to buy a power connector that takes these things into proper consideration. I shouldn't have to work around it. Somewhere, there was somebody actually "PAID" to "DESIGN" this crap. Don't you think they should be held accountable for their incompetence?

      Whoa. No more coffee for you today.

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    4. Re:Blocking the outlet? by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Funny

      [ Sigh... (a) Why is this a story and (b) Why is this a story on /. ? ]

      *cough*msmash*cough*

    5. Re:Blocking the outlet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were paid to design an unit that plugs into a standard wall outlet ... Choose top or bottom, works fine.

      Yes, they should take a clue, but they're not any more incompetent than people who design SUVs that then get driven in town...

    6. Re: Blocking the outlet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel like this could be added to Weird Al's song about First world problems.

    7. Re:Blocking the outlet? by tgeek · · Score: 1

      The burden should not be placed on the consumer to "solve" the problem.

      Consumers are the best party to solve this problem - by not purchasing stuff they don't want.

      BTW, Apple *almost* does it right on the Macbook power supplies - if only they would make the power prongs rotatable by 90 degrees.

    8. Re: Blocking the outlet? by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      Imagine being in a third world country, where you might only have one standard double outlet for your entire hut.

      Sorry if you wanted the light on while you charge your phone.

    9. Re:Blocking the outlet? by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, and can we finally decide on ONE fucken plug type, tired of adapters for that shit as well. My brother visited from Oz and brought me an external hard drive as a birthday present (I'm a packrat and he knows it) voltage fine, frequency fine, plug on the wall wart is - fuck! Australian (of course). Go to buy an adapter and they are called "Traveler adapters" and are horribly overpriced for the function they fulfill. A couple minutes with the soldering iron sorted that wall wart out, not paying that price for something so simple. Although of all the plug types I hate, the european two prong plug is at the top of the list.

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    10. Re:Blocking the outlet? by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      The burden should not be placed on the consumer to "solve" the problem.

      Consumers are the best party to solve this problem - by not purchasing stuff they don't want.
       

      Nope. It's been proven that the "vote with your wallet" world leaves you in a world where your money is no good, and or it gets astronomically unlikely to find a local store carrying a "classic" good like 4:3 screens, 3 inch smartphones (old people aren't social media junkies and even they got along just fine on even 1 and 2 inch displays) and non-smart TVs

      You have 2 cases:
      1) you buy the device. there is no warning because there are no labels or even online mentions of the cable it forces on you. You sigh and purchase a new power strip to place perpendicular to your existing one since the new fat plug doesn't fit in your 1-1-1 setup with 2 too-narrow empty plugs.
      2) you rent the device. The cable box only comes with one type of cord. You cannot switch cords, boxes or cable companies. You sigh.

      It would be nice if the cords were interchangeable a-la USB phones, but even those have a myriad nonstandard wallwarts delivering to the last-...mile^H^H^H inch near your wall ;)

    11. Re:Blocking the outlet? by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      A work-around IS a solution, by definition. You don't have to like it.

    12. Re:Blocking the outlet? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      That's not a solution. That's a work-around to design that does not bother to take even the slightest consideration of actual usage.

      Try the Power Squid.

    13. Re:Blocking the outlet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, and can we finally decide on ONE fucken plug type, tired of adapters for that shit as well.

      You can't force another country to change their plug but you can lobby to make your country change to something that another country uses.
      Most people aren't willing to do that, they rather want everyone else to change to what they have.

    14. Re:Blocking the outlet? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      If you think that is a solution, then you are part of the problem.

      That is an expensive, complicated, and unreliable workaround. That kind of thinking is what causes so many problems in IT.

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    15. Re:Blocking the outlet? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Somewhere, there was somebody actually "PAID" to "DESIGN" this crap. Don't you think they should be held accountable for their incompetence?

      What incompetence? They were paid to design something to suit a large portion of the population. Those Samsung chargers fit easily next to each other in all powerboards in Europe. Just because a small little country with a very sad looking power outlet decided to standardise on polar sockets stacked in a stupid position horizontally isn't Samsung's problem.

      But in any case the entire article is just the rant of a crazy person. The one device which actually suits Australia quite well (Apple charger) he also found issue with.

      Toughen up mate.

  11. In Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of these are non-issues, since the plug are symmetrical. Just rotate the plug 180 degrees :)

    Of course if you have 3 plugs or more, you might still block an outlet unless you put it at the end. but typically the holes are aligned perpendicular to the alignment of the outlets so it's rarely an issue even then.

    1. Re:In Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plugs often aren't symmetric though, some of them use 3 pins and others are polarized to prevent you from plugging into an extension cord. What's more, the worst offenders are those wallwarts and if you turn them upside down, you haven't really gained much because now it's blocking different outlets on the powerstrip.

      Really, the best thing people have done is moved the transformer block to nearer the middle of the cable, so that the power plug can be just a power plug that takes the standard space.

    2. Re:In Europe... by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Not if the plug has an earth pin its not (the French type, used in many other European countries).

      Also there are varying standards for multiple adjacent sockets - a lot of wall sockets put two sockets one above the other, pins aligned hoizontally, which works for some wall warts but is crap for the 90-degree angled plugs, wheareas a lot of power strips angle the sockets at 45 degress, which in turn is crap for wall warts which come in two alignment types 90-degrees apart.

      The only system which seems to have been designed with some consistency and attention to clearance is the British 3-pin.

    3. Re: In Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you taking about? BS1363 plugs are certainly not symmetrical.

    4. Re:In Europe... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Not if the plug has an earth pin its not (the French type, used in many other European countries).

      The German (Type F) plug is far more common, and does indeed allow turning a grounded plug 180 degrees. As well as allowing an ungrounded plug (Type C) to be used in a grounded outlet.

      https://wikitravel.org/en/File...

      The only system which seems to have been designed with some consistency and attention to clearance is the British 3-pin.

      Then again, in older British houses, ground is often earth, which causes Big Scary Problems when trying to use a converter plug or connecting the earth socket on a radio or receiver to earth...

    5. Re:In Europe... by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Then again, in older British houses, ground is often earth, which causes Big Scary Problems when trying to use a converter plug or connecting the earth socket on a radio or receiver to earth...

      I'm confused. I thought in British English ground is called "Earth". So really old and new houses will have ground as earth. Are you confusing neutral in there somewhere? They have Line, Neutral, Earth. Like in North America, Neutral is tied to Earth at the entrance, but should never be connected to exposed casing like a protective earth. Doing so would be called a "bootleg ground", or I guess a "bootleg earth".

    6. Re:In Europe... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      In parts of Europe, you don't have 3-phase live + neutral where the differential between live and neutral is 110 or 220V, but 5 phase to the house with two (arbitrary) live wires where the diifferential between the two used lives is 220V, plus a separate ground. This can either be floating ground, connected ground at the nearest transformer, or true earth in each house.

  12. Buy a short extension cord, moron. by davmoo · · Score: 1

    Obviously it's a very slow news day.

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    1. Re:Buy a short extension cord, moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have one of those 8 outlet power strips with 4 short extension cords (each having 2 outlets) and a couple mini tri-outlet adapters. 18 outlets all together on one strip. And... my house is so old that it doesn't even have a ground wire in the wiring. I keep a bottle of water nearby for when I smell ozone.

    2. Re:Buy a short extension cord, moron. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I think you're inhaling a bit too much ozone, it's making you type in a really weird font.

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  13. Garbage Article by Jedi86 · · Score: 1

    Wow this article is garbage. At least two of the examples don't support the point. That Samsung charger would allow something next to it if it were moved to the right and is actually pretty compact with it's wall space requirements. The Apple charger, if it were designed to protrude any other direction it wouldn't work well with a "normal" wall outlet and as shown seems to better indicate a bad transformer design and orientation. Beyond the fact that this is a stupid article, why did someone at Slashdot decide to promote it?!? This isn't news, or tech related, it's a stupid rant of someone at CNet.

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  15. Ask them to remove it, you stupid fuck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I swear people like you must have some kind of mental illness!

    How much of a socially disabled pussy does one have to be, to be unable to perform the most basic social act of asking somebody to remove his bag??

    People usually put their bag there because the seat is unused and there is not enough space in front of their legs or they need to take something out.
    And *every single one* assumes that if somebody needs it, he's just going to ask. Nobody expects nor should expect sombody to have social problems of your magnitude.
    And frankly, I'm glad that natural selection is working as intended for a change.

    1. Re:Ask them to remove it, you stupid fuck! by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. And as the one asking, I had just one asshole that refused so far. But he was taking up 4 spaces in a full train, so it was pretty obvious he was an utter asshole.

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  16. Uhhhh... wow... the hate is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, maybe you need to stop hating and start learning to act nicely.

    I take the bus and see people with their bag on the seat. 90% of the time if the bus is full and I walk to the seat, they just grab the bag and put it on their lap and I sit down. The other 10% I just ask nicely, they probably weren't even looking, and they do the same thing.

    But I don't go about with the attitude "A HUMAN MALE CONSIDERS ME LESS IMPORTANT THAN THEIR BAG", because not only am I wrong if I did (they probably put their bag there when the bus was not full and just didn't think about it when the bus filled up), I'm sexist, and it would cause me to ask rudely and not get what I want.

  17. Multiple markets by devnullkac · · Score: 1

    The short answer is that devices are designed for use in multiple markets with varying plug arrangements. To reduce cost, the form factor of the conversion hardware is unchanged between markets; only the prongs are changed. That which is inconvenient in Europe may be perfectly fine in the US. It's not evil. It's a natural consequence of global commerce without global power connection standards.

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  18. So spread the plugs by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Informative

    Look up "octopus power strip", these should be everywhere. As for the man, politely ask him to move his bag.

    1. Re:So spread the plugs by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      This. Also, you can buy large quantity packs of 1" power "extension" cords for a single device (works like the octopus power strip but with flexibility to use it on any plug). I use them all the time, I carry a few in my car in fact.

      Also, USB power receptacles are gaining in popularity. It's becoming less necessary to have an A/C power adapter to charge a mobile device.

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  19. You wanted a PC without a case, now you ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... have to face the music too!

    For years you thought it would be so cool, to have a minimalist laptop, and then you noticed you need all those devices ... and they cause a mess.

    Hmm, let me think of a solution: ... How about putting them is a convenient BOX!?
    With one PSU, and a bus, just like ... YEAH, a desktop/tower PC!

    All I can do, is quote Nelson Muntz:
    HAAA-HAAA!

    And go eat a bag of dicks! (One after the other.) Stupid iTards.

    1. Re: You wanted a PC without a case, now you ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!

  20. How about by oldgraybeard · · Score: 2

    just giving your devices a rest during your trip home. Once there you can charge them any way you wish. I always laugh when I am out and about, 7 of 10 individuals everywhere have their device in their hand. They look away every so often in an attempt not to trip over the curb, run in to a door or wall or pretend to be working in case their boss walks by.

    But then I am different, I create tech but don't have much use for it.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we please stop using "Device" when we mean "Phone"? "Device" is just a techy-sounding variation of "Doohicky".

    2. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I create tech but don't have much use for it.

      so you're the incompetent asshole making technology that has glaring flaws because nobody ever actually used it before shipping.

    3. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like being able to look at my phone when I'm forced to wait for stuff. I no longer have to be bored.

      The fuck is it with old people and getting off on stupid small talk. 75% of people are boring as hell, and 80% of conversation is pointless. I'm glad I live in the smartphone era.

    4. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This article, awkward as it is, is not about charging on the train or using devices on the go.

    5. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In your old age you've apparently lost all reading comprehension. You somehow interpreted this as an article about a guy bitching about someone elses bag on a train seat preventing them from charging their phone...?

    6. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . I always laugh when I am out and about, 7 of 10 individuals everywhere have their device in their hand

      Pretty pathetic, isn't it?

      I walked into a room the other day, and of the 6 people in that room (including me) 5 of them had their faces buried in their phones. I've also stopped moving out of the way of people on sidewalks who can't be arsed to look where they're going.

      But then I am different, I create tech but don't have much use for it.

      I hear you on that front. No smart phone, no fitbit, no social media ... just work (surrounded by technology), and not work (with as little technology as I can get away with).

  21. The abomination is the power brick by Doub · · Score: 2

    I pay extra whenever I can to get my devices with a built-in PSU.

    1. Re:The abomination is the power brick by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      I pay extra whenever I can to get my devices with a built-in PSU.

      I've noticed with alarm that more and more non-laptop devices are forcing these on us. Cableco boxes and smart tv shouldn't be reminiscent of laptops. The brick will likely end up hanging badly from a corner and have one of the brick-touching segments end up tearing itself. This will either stop the power transit altogether one day, or cause a short circuit.

  22. Re:for fucks sake by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

    of course this is a msmash article

    that lady needs a good dicking imo

    That's no lady.

  23. Buy an extension cord dumb ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1. Extending non water-proof power supplies below socket height is illegal for electric appliance manufacturers and increases the cost tremendously as they need to extend the grounding or certify for double insulation. You can buy a short extension cord and do it on your own. Just be sure to plug it out every time you wash the floor and don't keep a cup of coffee near by ready to be spilled on it.

    2. The supplies needs clearing space to dissipate heat and this is how the engineer made sure you won't stick a few right next to each other.

    3. There's no ideal size or shape. Some people need their supplies to hag the wall as much as possible since they have a piece of furniture next to the wall they'd like to keep that way. Some people need the cable to come out from above / sideways since their table is just below the socket and the cable won't twist to such a sharp angle. Some people - like the author - would rather have the plug as long and as lean as possible (as wide as the prongs + plastic) to fit as many PSUs as possible... All of these demands conflict with each other. And all of them can be resolved with a short extension cord.

    So, TL:DR; Buy a god damn short extension cord dumb ass.

  24. Wrong Analogy by turbotalon · · Score: 1

    A more accurate analogy than "A rude guy on the train" would be a "A fat person taking up two seats because they're too lazy to spend the time to lose weight." Analogies are pretty basic stuff and generally frowned amongst the journalist types. If you're going to make them, make them right.

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  25. No can do. by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

    Until I'm permitted to get Trans-Cranial Electrical Stimulation on demand, I'll have to make due with Coffee!

  26. Translation: by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

    I am lazy, and didn't bother to make sure all parts of what I bought are to my satisfaction.

    If you knew and bought it anyway, well live with it because money talks and you know the rest.

    Yes, some 'transformer' designs suck and are just awful for the sake of cuteness, you still bought it.

    1. Re:Translation: by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      "You still bought it" assumes that the client was aware of the adapter minutiae at purchase time rather than unboxing time. NOPE.

      When you buy that expensive smart tv, samsung phone or iPhone you do not get to choose the type of adapter --there may be some outcry when Apple changes ports to kill your historical investments, but there is only ONE Apple just like there is only one Samsung. You do not get to vote with your wallet.

      So if you want the device, you buy it and sigh.
      There is no interchangeable parts standard for power cords like there is in PC land. Most devices (microwave ovens, washers, refrigerators, standing fans, toasters) have a single cord that you are not free to cut away safely and replace.
      There is also no descriptive system to find out which fat adapter orientation or slot consumption size you'll get with your device in advance (like when you freely research your AGP cards for taking 16x slots in your PC versus 1x slots).

      This issue happens with most tech these days. Mid-range point-and-shoot cameras now offer some kind of Wifi option. So do most cheap phones and laptops. What they don't officially say is that they never plan to add dual-band support (and you'll need have that shameful lesser-devices 2Ghz band open for them despite the congestion). This is part of why impulse purchases and blind switcheroos are bad --sometimes even long-running research and forum questions say little about the hardware when you need something like Linux chipset support.

  27. Re: for fucks sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just wait til the surgery tho

  28. Wait? What're we talking about again? by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 2

    > The purpose is to avoid you cramming in too many things without a chance of airflow for cooling.

    We're still talking about electrical outlets and plugs aren't we?

    1. Re:Wait? What're we talking about again? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I have a couple of plugs where the plug is a big triangle with the wire coming out at about a 45 degree angle. These will block at least one extra plug or more depending on the socket it is plugged into.
      Ones a power bar so perhaps they didn't realize that my plug has 2 different circuits and they're discouraging plugging in too many devices, but I think it is just some designer trying to be different.

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    2. Re:Wait? What're we talking about again? by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      If you look at the cnet.com article the Slashdot article refers to, you will see a very good example. A square plug that sits on the wall socket at a 45 degree angle, relative to the vertical. And it does indeed block the neighbor socket.

      Considering the "too many devices", there are many that have only a small wattage 50W and you could plug in lots of those without problems. Stupid designer, do not presume to know better than me.

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    3. Re:Wait? What're we talking about again? by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Stupid Slashdot removed the "less than" sign from my post. It should read "less than 50W"

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    4. Re:Wait? What're we talking about again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ones that do this are AC/DC adapters. So they are electronic devices.

    5. Re: Wait? What're we talking about again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well duh. How else do you expect to apply HTML formatting in comments?

  29. powerboard ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wtf is a "powerboard" ? is it like a power strip ? or wall socket ? is it like a switchboard but for power ?

    1. Re: powerboard ? by chriskenrick · · Score: 1

      It's Australian speak for what you would call a "power strip"

  30. Deranged rant is deranged by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously. And the thing about the bag? Are you unable to open your mouth and ask? Is it an imposition to you to be asked to communicate with another human being?

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    1. Re:Deranged rant is deranged by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 0

      Well if the guy with the bag had a QR code stuck to his forehead with his WhatsApp details the sulking millennial could have sent him a message, but since he didn't he wrote a blog post about plugs. Yeah, not getting the hang of these millennials.

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    2. Re:Deranged rant is deranged by fafalone · · Score: 1

      The general consensus on rude train/subway passengers is 'do not engage' unless you want to get punched or stabbed. Living in NYC, I can assure you some people react *very* poorly to being asked to move their bags/legs/self so someone can sit.

    3. Re:Deranged rant is deranged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is getting too damn silly now - intolerance has spread to AC outlets.

      Just everyone stay indoors and don't talk to people, it's safer that way.

    4. Re:Deranged rant is deranged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      The bad on a seat, the manspreaded knees, the loud music - sometimes these are chips on shoulders, provocation marks to indicate "I'm tough, so tough I'm gonna treat this space like I own it. Fuck with me and I'll fuck you up pretty bad." which is a male simian thing. I've seen women - well, girls - do it, but the application is so much narrower, still dominance/assertion but much less... uncontrolled? Hard to put into words.

    5. Re:Deranged rant is deranged by vlad30 · · Score: 1

      Take a tip from a old lady I once saw on a train many years ago, she asked politely and was ignored twice the umbrella she was carrying then found its mark between his legs with the pointy end (best legal weapon you can carry anywhere) he moved painfully and covered his damage with his bag. then the old lady and her hubby had a seat Hubby was smiling probably knew what was going to happen

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    6. Re:Deranged rant is deranged by MikeHibbett · · Score: 1

      That's because good people do nothing. You get what you deserve. I received a good kicking (although gave more than i received) for interrupting three guys trying to assault the bus driver. I was happy with the outcome; they left the bus. If I did less I would consider myself accepting what they were doing. I pity you living in the country you do.

    7. Re:Deranged rant is deranged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a tip from a old lady I once saw on a train many years ago, she asked politely and was ignored twice the umbrella she was carrying then found its mark between his legs with the pointy end (best legal weapon you can carry anywhere) he moved painfully and covered his damage with his bag. then the old lady and her hubby had a seat Hubby was smiling probably knew what was going to happen

      Remember, old ladies are allowed to commit assault over the tiniest little things.

      Also if it's a woman who put her bag on the seat next to her (which is all the damn time) don't you dare ask her to move it you patriarchal misogynist!

    8. Re:Deranged rant is deranged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lololololol millienials! amrite folks? These kids don't talk to people likes us old folks do.

      I mean, he COULD have asked the person in real life and still wrote the article because regardless of whether or not the author solved the situation in real life, because it was still inconsiderate of the first party and it also makes a convenient analogy, since most people find this kind of behavior obnoxious.

      But NOPE, that CAN'T be right, because this guys MUST be a young whipper snapper MILLENNIAL. I"m going to imagine a scenario in my head where the author didn't solve the problem and just whined about it online because it makes me feel better about myself and gives me a convenient person to laugh at for my troubles.

      I mean, back in MY day, we complained about men not standing up for the lady folk ALL THE DAMN TIME, but that's different. We are allowed to complain about things, or mention when we think people are being inconsiderate.

      Of course, we wouldn't have spoken to anyone either. Back in MY DAY we just puched peoples lights out with our MANLY MAN FISTS and called it a day. You know like REAL MEN.

      Boy oh boy, these millennials. I'll never understand them.

    9. Re:Deranged rant is deranged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. And the thing about the bag? Are you unable to open your mouth and ask? Is it an imposition to you to be asked to communicate with another human being?

      Apparently you've never been screamed at by one of these people. Multiple times in Toronto I have literally been told to "fuck off" for suggesting someone move their bag on transit.

  31. Move over Darth Vader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A man [on a train], a human man as he lives and breathes, has put his bag, his stupid goddamn bag on the seat. He thinks his bag is more important than your buttcheeks. Than your tired legs. He is undermining your right to rest those legs, to plank those weary buttcheeks on a seat. This train is busy. He is a bad person. He doesn't care.

    Sounds like an idea for a new villian in the next Star Wars movie.

  32. uwotm8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this hot garbage of an article doing on slashdot?

  33. Seriously? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2
    Is Slashdot taking a turn to rampantt festering assholism? While I usually try not to comment on stupid articles, this one is worthy of Jezebel or Infowars if not in topic, in sheer base worthlessness.

    Is this what Slashdot has come to? I wonder if the writer got a little treat from some woman he was trying to impress?

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  34. Use a Squid by Mr.+Protocol · · Score: 1

    We have a type of surge protector/powerboard sold commonly in California called a âoeSquidâ. It resembles a squid: it has an oval body and five short cords of varying lengths, each one ending in a female power socket. It can power five wall warts at once regardless of their egregious size.

  35. Is this supposed to be funny? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whose Line Is It Anyway is funny; this article is not funny.

  36. Is this one of those "first world problems" . . . by tgeek · · Score: 1

    . . . I keep hearing about?

  37. U-Verse by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    I just got rid of my cable a couple weeks ago. Disconnecting everything I ran across 1 plug I remember hating. It plugged in such that it took up 4 plugs. You couldn't put it at the end because one way it covered the power switch and every breath of air turned the entire power strip off. You couldn't hang it off the other end because it had polarized plugs and only went 1 way.

    I had an entire power strip dedicated to 1 fricken power brick.

    On the other hand, I had jury duty a few years back. I brought my laptop, it's charger, and a power strip. All power outlets were being used so I asked some woman if I could unplug her phone and plug in my power strip. She was fine with it. Me and my power strip were very popular that day, people were bummed when I got released, took my power strip, and went home.

  38. powerboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you want to plug thing in your electric skateboard?

    damn that summary is hard to understand

    1. Re:Powerboard? by agm · · Score: 1

      Looking at the plug styles images in the article they are in the south Pacific, probably New Zealand or Australia. Here in NZ we call the strip of 4 or 6 plugs a powerboard. Or power strip, or extension strip.

  39. It's because of you by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Because you never read the fucking manual, they have to do it in hardware.

    Also you must be new here to use train analogies in a car analogy forum.

  40. Let me introduce you to the magic of the Europlug! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3.5/4 of the problems depicted in the article would be non-existent with Europlugs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug

  41. Take a teaspoon of cement and harden the fuck up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a whiney, entitled and moronic faggot.

    Seriously, I try not to talk like that, but this is just so stupid that language that strong needs to be used.

    Hey fuckwit, Apple has swappable plugs on its power adaptors and one of those is actually an extension lead. Or you can simply use a standard 2-hole appliance cord on it, which is what I do.

    As for the wall warts, you do realise that if you had simply plugged it into other socket you'd be able to use both sockets?

    Fucking hell.

  42. Why not DC power? by klubar · · Score: 2

    The other problem with DC power has to do with fire safety and arcing. With AC, the current goes to zero and arc are self-quenching. Not true with DC, so you have a greater likelihood of fire. It also has to do with safety if you get shocked by DC versus AC your chances of injury are much greater.

    The ease of transforming voltages with transformers gives AC an advantage. And if you look around your home, you'll see a fair number of high current devices -- heat producing, or motors (ovens, ranges, toaster, coffee pot, A/C, blowers, washing machine, dryer) that would need very heavy cables to power at 12 or even 48v.

    1. Re:Why not DC power? by Megane · · Score: 1

      AC can be switched with very little arcing because of the zero-crossings. It's much easier to understand when you see it in action.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zez2r1RPpWY

      It's not much different at 110 volts, but this video was just the first good one I could find. This is why DC wiring only goes to 48 volts, because not much higher than that will arc. This is also why switches and relays have a lot lower DC ratings than AC ratings.

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  43. Re:Hey, Moron. by IgnitusBoyone · · Score: 1

    Agreed

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  44. The bag is good behavior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Placing the bag on the next seat is actually precisely what you should be doing and if you're not doing it you're either an extrovert or you're a bad person yourself. Extroverts love nothing more than to have someone sit next to them, introverts hate it. Extroverts don't want to sit next to introverts, since that's a wasted opportunity for social interaction. Introverts don't want to sit next to anyone, but sitting next to another introvert is much better than sitting next to an extrovert. So the introverts advertise to the extroverts that they shouldn't sit next to them unless there's no other seat by placing their bag on the next seat. Everyone is happy. If you do need to sit there, just ask. I've never had someone refuse.

  45. Cobblers... by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

    It's entirely possible to design a single, generic low-voltage-output wall-wart that will fit comfortably within the minimum power-socket dimensions across all target markets

    However, because this requires a little time, effort and money, the accountants and MBAs running pretty much every company instead source a brick from the lowest-cost Chinese provider... with, I am loathe to say it, the exception of Apple, as I've yet to see one of theirs overlap other sockets on a power strip of any country, unless the strip itself has been very poorly designed.

    So, I suppose you were half-right - it is a natural consequence of global commerce, but combined with a complete lack of empathy or concern with regard to the customers...

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    1. Re:Cobblers... by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 1

      with [...] the exception of Apple, as I've yet to see one of theirs overlap other sockets on a power strip of any country, unless the strip itself has been very poorly designed.

      Funny enough, the Apple MacBook-style charger was one pictured as problematic in the article, in this case due to low clearance if you were plugging it in, prongs-up, in an outlet very close to the floor. This was an odd example (as were a couple other pictures in the article: they were all duplex receptacles and plugging it into the other one would have helped in nearly every case), since the plug is not polarized (at least in the US) and there's no reason they couldn't have plugged it in the other direction, "upside-down" if you will.

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  46. Mac's used to solve this problem by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    When I bought my first macbook, it came with an extension cable for the charger so that it only took up one slot on the power strip. Now you get the charger "brick" with the $1000 laptop and Apple charges you $20 for the extension cable. . The cable is the only thing that carries over from mac to mac.

  47. It's just cheapness... by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Each company makes a thing (external HDD, Phone, whatever) then finds a power source, transformer. Cheapest wins. I have two power strips behind the desk, with the various gadgets plugged in four different ways.

  48. Powerboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've worked in tech since Reagan was president, and I've never heard the word "powerboard" until now. What is it?

  49. Cheap Solution by pope1 · · Score: 1

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075WC3LZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_fiupBb28ZM5DB

    Obviously, not a solution for every case. But in many, many cases, these are all you need to stop the scourge of "Plugspreading". As an aside, if this term has not yet been co-opted by the adult community, clearly this post will be its genesis. I expect an entire category on pornhub within weeks!

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  50. The designers are optimizing for... by MpVpRb · · Score: 1

    ..something different

    The engineers may be optimizing for cost, conversion efficiency, component availability, EMI rules, reliability or development time

    The designers want it to look cool and different and fit the overall design aesthetic

    Very few or either group care about encroaching on nearby devices

    1. Re:The designers are optimizing for... by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1

      They may be optimising for durability (Samsung example, less protrusion straight out means less chance of brushing and breaking the USB connector) and/or reducing the likelihood of pulling on the cable pulling the plug out of the wall (Nintendo example - with a nod to durability because the cord is also more protected from being brushed by passers-by, although a bottom or top entry would also do that at the possible expense of usability in low-mounted outlets).

      That square and angled one, though? Yeah, that's just evil.

  51. Alternative method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try sticking it up your asses, Cnet authors and editors, and whoever posts this garbage here. They'll surely fit (probably the whole wallwart), because you are all huge assholes. And we all know that's the kind of freaky shit you love.

  52. Re:Hey, Moron. by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

    True - but aren't modern switching supplies tiny? Most wall-wart plugs are for systems that are only a few watts. Seems like that should fit in a slightly larger than normal sized plug. Should be>90% efficient, so there shoudln't be much power loss.

    I assume the standard transformers are cheaper?

  53. paywell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the New York Times, any gang is a good gang.

  54. Incomprehensible garbage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What'S this article about ?
    Incomprehensible garbage.

  55. Did someone wake up Steve Jobs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. This would get him out of the grave.

  56. You're the moron by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    No wall wart made in the last 15 years has used a transformer to step down. Switching supplies use small ferrite types but they don't get nearly as warm under load.

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    1. Re:You're the moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and physics, being a bitch, still demands about the same amount of cooling as a transformer. The switching power supply is cheaper with less copper, but pumps awfull harmonics upstream and downstream.

    2. Re:You're the moron by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      and physics, being a bitch, still demands about the same amount of cooling as a transformer.

      No, no it does not. Switching supplies are much more efficient than linear ones.

      The switching power supply is cheaper with less copper, but pumps awfull harmonics upstream and downstream.

      Yes, it does do that.

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  57. Annoying, but not abominable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WPP. Seriously.

  58. The powerstrips are also a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The direction of the outlets on power strips need to be standardized. They sell them with horizontal and vertical orientations, so plug makers who want a power supply attached to the plug have no idea which direction to face them. My HTC Vive have 5 such plugs, and 5 of the 8 power strips at Home Depot were facing the wrong direction. I never even realized prior to this that they came in different orientations.

  59. simple solution to turn asshole into hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i always travel with a 1-3 extension cord and also a 1->3 wall wart

    so anywhere i go, even if there are no plugs, i can ask "can i plug this in, and then you plug into me, and so can that other person" .. and i end up with 3 plugs for myself (usually not needed and available for further others)

  60. Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The governments of the world are taking away all your rights to freedom of speech, association and dissent. They are building large jails to hold the swaths of people arrested because of unemployment due to AI and automation.

  61. Thou shalt not take His name in vain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Serrels is a foul creature.

  62. Re:Hey, Moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some executive's coming-out-as-a-brony

    Hmm, this site lists Gabe Newell and William Shatner as confirmed bronies and Oprah, Miyamoto, Spielberg, and Bill Clinton as "rumored", so there's that.

  63. Re:Hey, Moron. by vlueboy · · Score: 1

    Those plugs are designed to contain the transformer, and give it space to cool.

    also to keep your derpness from plugging 12 things into a single outlet and burning your house down.

    Sounds fishy. It's like saying those javascript bitcoin miners are not "designed" by lazy, greedy people and instead had an imperative to even consider keeping my computer "safe" by alerting me indirectly (via slowdowns and subtle 100% CPU results --only if someone technical knows where to look) when I get myself too many tabs mining and watching videos on multiple sites all at once.

    Replace this well-known maxim so you put goodwill and profits in place of malice and stupidity: Never attribute to *malice* what can be explained by *stupidity*.

    The adapter guys just design something to power their own hardware and cover their butts by leaving a subtle label saying "1.5 amps", "0.5 amps" and perhaps add the ground prong at most. Remember that time when everyone making cheap USB 3 cables that burned down non-approved devices was forced to pay for someone else's damages due to ill-advised user action? Nope

    The hole here is that every product fends for itself because liability / lawsuits. Miniaturization is expensive^W^W shaves profit margins. All that they're required by law to do is done, and nothing more.
    Nobody designs to protect someone else's hardware except for the power strip and ATX power supply makers themselves.

    Nobody babies us by even suggesting to protect your investment thru buying your own power strip. They assume you have a reliable mains power circuit brakers.

  64. duh by MikeHibbett · · Score: 1

    Oh for fuck sake. If you are standing and there is a bag on a seat, ask the owner to move it. If they dont, move it yourself. They didn't pay for two seats. It's that simple.

  65. It's Economics. by rhadc · · Score: 3, Funny

    The problem comes down to economics. You're buying a device that requires DC power, and the manufacturer is not going to decide the converter; it is going to choose an existing DC converter and supply it with the device. They might put a sticker on it. The socket-friendly option would cost a dollar or two more, which, when included in the Amazon price, just might give the competing device the edge. You and the other buyers didn't research the socket friendliness of the device, and there would be little opportunity for the manufacturer to convey this advantage in the first place.

    What incentive does the manufacturer have to improving products this way? Not enough to add $1 to the price. So there you have it.

    BTW, the article was incoherent. Let me coin the term "blogspreading" to refer to an article that takes up space and makes you spend more time than necessary to figure out what it's talking about.

    1. Re:It's Economics. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You're buying a device that requires DC power, and the manufacturer is not going to decide the converter; it is going to choose an existing DC converter and supply it with the device.

      Not at all. Most manufacturers have their own design. They are incredibly trivial to make and have tossed in a moulded case. Additionally most manufacturers now start playing around with various value added things (fast e.g. Super Duper Mega Fast Charging, or whatever).

      That said it IS a question of economics. Those designs work just fine for 500million Europeans. It's entirely the fault of the small population of Australia standardising on a power plug design that in America was supposed to replace the Type A plug, but was not very popular and thus phased out in the USA.

  66. Get a power strip with double spacing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have been available for decades!!!

    then stop whinging and grow up

  67. OK, OK... by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

    I get it that you're from the Sharpie Marketing Department. Is this the new campaign?

  68. About bagspreading by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    The perpetrator is almost always a woman, not a man.

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    1. Re:About bagspreading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IF this is true, then it is probably because women are afraid of being creeped on by men on public transit. MANY women feel unsafe on public transit because of a few bad experiences.

  69. Get a car! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Control your destiny.

  70. Really? The hipsters have reached slashdot by mr.optimistic · · Score: 2

    I may have missed the memo, but I'm not sure why I have to read this hipster `first-world problem` shit.
    <rant>
    Nobody cares, really. Nobody cares!
    When you go to a meeting (or have your kale-infused frappo-latte at a coffee shop with your laptop and piss-off all the staff because you're taking up valuable marketable space and not ordering enough, but still using the 'free' wifi): BRING YOUR OWN POWER BOARD!
    </rant>
    Now you only need one vertical plug. Hey, if you're feeling charitable, you take the double-plug-occupying adapter and put it into your powerboard.
    I never travel without one.
    Same goes for network switches and USB hubs BTW.
    Stop whinging about 'other people' and just make sure that you show up prepared.
    And then there is the off-change that this was all humor, in which case I apologize to you personally, but the rant remains.

  71. nintendo is worst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nintendo plugs are big and gave wrong direction, idiots.

  72. The reason, or course, is heat. by robbak · · Score: 1

    These wall warts transfer considerable energy, and some of it is lost as heat. Pack two of them close together, and they'll overheat. That's liability, so they have to design them to make it impossible. Apple fixes it by making them taller instead, but he complains about that too. BTW, there's a fix for the apple one - pull off the mains plug and you'll find that behind it is a standard figure-8 socket, so you can plug it in with any standard figure-8 mains lead, and who doesn't have a cupboard full of them?

    Same thing with side entry USB power packs. Putting out 50W (and higher) in that small package is no small feat, so they need to ensure there's clear space around them, and putting the output on the side guarentees that that side of the plug remains clear for airflow.

    All good, technical reasons. Doesn't stop it being annoying, though!

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  73. Millenials at Tennagra. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man on subway, his wall-wart wide.

  74. Jebus someone is fussy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to just go out meet someone and get laid. All this fuss is just nonsense.

  75. Re:Hey, Moron. by burtosis · · Score: 2

    Those plugs are designed to contain the transformer, and give it space to cool.

    also to keep your derpness from plugging 12 things into a single outlet and burning your house down.

    Seriously, who writes this garbage and how does it get on /. ? Next week we'll have some executive's coming-out-as-a-brony as front page news.

    FFS.

    Giving the transformer space to cool was literally a larger problem with the magnetic coupled copper based old school design that went out of fashion around 2010 and now is rarely seen. With the advent of cheap efficient switching circuits, modern designs can be shrunk due to greater efficiency, due in large part to high frequency low loss designs where you can pump a small amount of energy (small cheap parts) a very large number of times a second instead of huge parts at 50/60.

    tl;dr There really is no good reason for these bulky designs.

  76. Re:Hey, Moron. by bidule · · Score: 1

    plugging 12 things into a single outlet and burning your house down.

    How about a smallish 15A breakers?
    That can handle 15 incandescent 100 W light bulb, or a 1500 W portable heater.
    If you have enough garbage plugged in to heat a small room, you have a real problem and it's not burning your house down.

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  77. Re:Hey, Moron. by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

    Those plugs are designed to contain the transformer, and give it space to cool.

    So put the transformer a few cms away from the plug so it doesn't get in the way

    also to keep your derpness from plugging 12 things into a single outlet and burning your house down.

    Not part of the requirement. It's just bad design.

  78. FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why hasnt the FCC solved this problem? Oh yea, because its consumer related; fuck the consumers. All about who bribes who with the fattest stacks in the most corrupt country in the world.

  79. "The standard you walk past" by nerdonamotorcycle · · Score: 1

    "The standard you walk past is the standard you accept" is from a famous speech by Lt. Gen. David Morrison,1 Chief of Army, about sexual harassment and humiliation in the ranks in the Australian Army. Does quoting that line in a speech about wall warts seem a bit...overwrought to anyone else, or is it just me?

    1Gen. Morrison credits the Governor of New South Wales, David Hurley, with the quote, but Morrison's is the most famous use of it.

  80. Won't fix on the plug side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a very old problem that is not going to change. Transformer coils need space and cooling surface, and it's most practical and safe to attach them rigidly to the plug. The only solution is smarter design of power strips, e.g. Octopus.
    On an unrelated note... "plugspreading" and mention of "buttcheeks" in the first sentence... I think we share a hobby.

  81. Most of us have been using AC pigtails for decades by kriston · · Score: 1

    Most of us have been using AC pigtails for decades.

    I have been using 2-pin and 3-pin pigtails to avoid this very problem for over twenty years.

    To defeat the "Plugspreaders," carry a multi-socket pigtail and plug the Plugspreader's offending adapter into it.

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  82. Terrible plug? The Third Man? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    A man [on a train], a human man as he lives and breathes ...

    Ok, so this is the Joseph Cotton character, Martins?

    Jesus wept.

    Check. This is Major Calloway, played by Trevor Howard.

    That second socket was innocent man, it was collateral damage.

    This represents all the people who suffered from the fake penicillin. Collateral damage.

    The bag is their terrible plug

    Yea. The second plug. This is definitely Harry Lime. Orson Welles. But who is Anna (Harry's girlfriend) in this tale? Tired Legs? Weary Buttcheeks? Man, you got my head all turned around.

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  83. One thing the UK did right by AC-x · · Score: 1

    With its giant plugs no AC adapter is too big to fit nicely in UK sockets...

    1. Re:One thing the UK did right by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      With its giant plugs no AC adapter is too big to fit nicely in UK sockets...

      Not quite - I have one adapter that is so large that it obscures two UK sockets

  84. News for nerds by lorinc · · Score: 1

    More than 200 comments on the optimal size and design of plugs is why I love slashdot. This is truly stuff that matters.

  85. Re:Hey, Moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you suggesting that you’re going to plug in 15 Amps worth of draw on one outlet?! Because if so you’re not thinking this through man

  86. don't man splain this to me like a gibbering idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    go and take your hairbun, and report to the nearest Euthanization center.

  87. And then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the power cords clapped.

  88. Buy a cube by martinX · · Score: 1

    Love these things.

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  89. Grounding by DrYak · · Score: 0

    You mean the power supply where you can remove the mains connector to reveal that it connects via a IEC 60320 C7/'figure 8' socket,

    ...and instead of using a standard IEC 60320 C5/'cloverleaf or mickey' socket to carry the grounding, relies on a weird nail-like nearby protrusion.

    allowing a short cable to be installed moving the 'wart' to the middle of the length like you want?

    - So either you need to buy some (expensive, because there's an Apple Logo on it) cable that uses t he "IEC 60320 C7 + nail" Apple contraption.
    - Or you need to get a cheap one from ebay/aliexpress, but risk discovering that under the plastic, the actual copper wire as so thin you couldn't even rate them for 0.1A, and the whole thing burst into flame whenever the laptop tries to pull 60W.
    - Or you plug a 2 pronged-only (Live + Neutral, no ground) cable into the "IEC 60320 C7/'figure 8'" socket which should work (usually does), but would violate several safety codes.

    Most people in Europe (due to connector madness*with German Shuko CEE 7/3 type F, French CEE 7/5 Type E, Italian Type L, Swiss SEV 1011 type J, British BS 1363 Type G, etc.) go for the last option and use Europlug type C (and fuck the fuse safety in UK and Malta).
    You can improvise one out of Italian or Swiss plug by cutting a filing the ground pin.

    ---
    *: I'm over exagerating a bit. Nowadays, most electronics use CEE 7/7 which is compatible with nearly everything. Countries like Italy nowadays installs sockets (such as Italian CEI 23-50 P 40) that are compatible (here:: with both italian type L and european CEE 7/7).
    These things even work in British wall socket if you decide to fuck both grounding and fuses (and help a bit with a screw driver).
    Switzerland is the only country in Europe were this doesn't work directly.

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    1. Re:Grounding by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I don't think the nail is supplying any grounding.

      At least not in the US.

      It's a 2-probg plug, and only plastic touches the nail.

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    2. Re:Grounding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "nail" is, in fact, a functional ground connector, but only when used with a grounded cord.

  90. Physics : P = R * I ^ 2 by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Secondly, this would mean adding cables rated for 240V AC to devices that are supposed to supply 5V or maybe 12V DC. That's a waste of copper

    Actually it doesn't work this way.
    The voltage has no impact on the rating of the cable (well, at least within a reasonable limit, like voltage found at home. Of course at 10kV, the insulation could fail).
    The *current* is the one that has an impact. (as the thermal loss is only proportional to the current (squared). That's why long distance current is transported at very high voltage : you could pass thus the same power using very little current and minimize your losses).

    It's just happens that most house hold cable are rated for 10A (thus 2.5 kW), whereas most USB devices use 2A at most. (USB devices that need more than 10W usually rely on a protocole like USB-PD to politely ask a higher voltage - like 9V or 12V - while keeping the current low).

    In theory you could go with a cheap tiny extension cord rated for only 0.1 A.
    But then, either you need to use a non standard connection at the wall wart (which then makes complicated to obtain cable, and requires more custom cables, raising the price again) - (that's the solution used by several "exchangeable" tips for wall-warts)
    Or you use a standard connector (like IEC 60320 C8 (figure 8) or C6 (mickey/cloverleaf) and risk that somebody plugs this cable into a laptop powerbrick that requires 2.5A and burns the cable - (most company then either opt for only "exchangeable tips" like Apple and older Ericsson, or actually pack a more expensive high rated cable that will work everywhere).

    In Europe, the alternative is elongated wall warts that are the exact width as an Europlug and only rely on length for cooling and electronics size needs. (e.g.: some recent Apple, nearly everysingle 3rd party manufacturer like Hama, etc.)
    These will always fit in any space designed for a standard plug without "plugspreading".

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  91. Y'all know they make these 6" cord extenders... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    which I keep a bunch of in the office for such life-threatening situations. Plus the author is way past satirical and straight on to embarrassingly unhinged.

  92. I'm calling Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need clear, decisive action against plugspreading.

  93. Allow me to mansplain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me mansplain it to you - there is no such thing as "plugspreading". That's just dumb. Ur dumb.

  94. Stupid article ranting about a very small problem by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    There is a simple and very defined reason for the designs: Australia is special enough to want their own polar plug, but not special enough to get vendors to create custom designs for them.

    USA and EU plugs are non-polar, or in some cases polar for only a subset of devices. Samsung, Nintendo, Logitech, all my chargers fit without a problem next to each other in a power board. On the only socket in my house which is horizontal as opposed to vertically stacked I can just plug the second Samsung charger in upside down and it fits happily as well.

    The problem is very specific and affects a very small subset of people who receive standardised designs accross the world. How standard? They even use the same charger for USA / EU which use different votlages.

    On top of that the stupid ranter is ranting for ranting's sake. The one case he found which in Australia specifically addresses his complaints he proceeded to complain about because somehow he managed to find a place where an outlet was installed stupidly close to the ground.

    Sorry angry ranter, life's not fair. Stop your whining. We're macho men who spend all day fighting deadly animals and you're sillyness is a blight on our reputation.

  95. Oh Please... by rfengineer · · Score: 1

    The epitome of a first world problem...

  96. Re:for fucks sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it's a feminist space station.

    You can't win, but there are alternatives to fighting.

  97. Buy a better power strip, whiner by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I've got a power strip just for wall warts. I can plug one into each of its six outlets without problems. Maybe the author's thoughtless purchasing decisions are the problem.

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  98. Just another brick in the wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dell and IBM devised a rather simple solution: separate power cord from the converter. I know, magic, right?

  99. better plugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This kind of surge protector is the future:

    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812205040

  100. I think this is crapspreading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An article that is crap, spreading.

  101. Not so long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We used Apollo workstations (a competitor to Sun). I remember the instruction manual for the Apollo-branded monitor had a page with instructions for UK users. It advised them to "cut off the (US-style) plug". Then they were to wire in a plug appropriate for UK outlets. I can't remember if you also had to flip a 125/250V switch in the power supply, or if it auto-sensed.

    Even then, I thought that was hilarious. Probably they did not have an in-house legal department. I'm sure they would have had helpful ideas about getting all those wall-warts to work on one power strip.

  102. Oh come on... by cshark · · Score: 1

    Okay, dude, seriously, if you're this upset about a freaking plug, take a xanax. Everything looks better after a xanax.

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  103. Train seats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of this story:

    This is back during World War II, not long after D-Day. On a train
    from the South coast of England up toward London we have a four-seat
    first class compartment containing three very proper-looking
    middle-aged British folk -- two men, complete with brollies and
    bowlers, and one woman. Her poodle is curled up on the fourth seat.

    An American soldier, arm in a sling, arrives and politely asks the
    lady to remove the dog so he can have the seat. She refuses, saying
    Fifi needs her rest. He leaves, shaking his head. She complains about
    rude Americans to the gentlemen sharing her compartment, but they
    ignore her rather frostily.

    The American returns, "Madame, I have just waked the length of the
    train and this is the only free seat. As you can see, I have been
    wounded. I really need the seat. Now, will you please move the dog so
    that I can sit down!"

    "No, I most certainly will not. My little Fifi ..."

    At this point, the frustrated American grabs Fifi by the scruff of the
    neck, tosses her out the window, and sits down.

    Fifi's mistress is, for once, speechless. She gasps like a beached
    fish, changes colour several times, and finally blurts out to the
    British gentleman across from her, "Well, don't just sit there. Say
    something!"

    "Certainly, Madame", he replies. Then, turning to the American, "It
    seems to me you Yanks can't do anything right. You mutilate the
    Language, you drive on the wrong side of the road ... and now you've
    gone and thrown the wrong bitch out the window!"

  104. Wtf are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wtf is a powerboard? Some kind of high tech skateboard?

  105. First world problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get some therapy man, probably don't take the train there though #blogspreading

  106. Somebody FINALLY NOTICED?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After 40 YEARS?!?

  107. If this is your biggest problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have a near-perfect life.

    There are so many work-arounds to this, but most involve a little work or a little time to research.

    I've had 3 of these: http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F9D1000-15/ for a long time, and since the outlets face left-and-right, the wall warts hang over the edges, and no problem. If you have a really fat one, a short extension cord fixes that.

    All the best...

  108. Outrage by QuadEddie · · Score: 1

    This is outrage for outrage's sake. This is Dalsim-level reaching for article content. This isn't a problem, move along.

  109. Use one of these, no more Plugspread by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    I don't know if this is the one I own, but with these no device can Plugspread on me. https://www.amazon.com/Splitte... I have something like this under my desk, I need to put one in a couple other rooms

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  110. This wins... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    ...as the most entertaining Slashdot article in recent history.

    But as someone else said, don't google "plugspreading" at work. Or anywhere.

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  111. spend four bucks by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

    Spend four bucks. A wall wart is not at all the same thing as able-bodied folks taking up all the accessible bathroom stalls or parking spaces. If you can afford all your devices, you can afford some breakout cables.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/QV...

  112. It might have prevented a fire in my home by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

    A few years ago I read about some class action lawsuit (that I was too late to join) regarding a power strip I'd been using for years.

    Do you have one of these?

    https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2...

    (NOTE: Originally sold by APC).

    I verified I had one that was recalled but it only had about half the sockets in use due to oversized plugs. It was slightly warm, but not alarmingly so.

    I was tempted to keep using it but couldn't justify even a slight risk of fire.

  113. Wall warts by richtheguru · · Score: 1

    Thankfully, most wall warts are just 2 prong. I usually being an extension cord specifically for those. That way, the small plug of the extension cord is the only thing talking up space on my strip

  114. Department of Redundancy Department by mcswell · · Score: 1

    Why does he say every thing twice? Two times, does he really need to do that?

  115. I buy PowerCubes by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

    A power cube is a cube about 5cm / 2" on a side with one power socket in each of 4 sides. The 5th side has 2x2.1amp USB-A sockets. The 6th suffer is where the power cord joins the cube. They are small, light and great for home or traveling. Mine is 240v which works great anywhere (240 or 120) with the right adapter. You'll never buy a flat power bar again.

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  116. Someone's bag is in your way? by kenwd0elq · · Score: 2

    I suppose it is entirely too ... "masculine" ... to ask "May I sit here?" People don't put their bags, or briefcases, or backpacks on the seat just to piss you off; they put it there because that seat was empty when they sat down.

    You need or want that seat. An ADULT would say "Excuse me, my I sit here?" Nine times out of ten, the person will say something like "Oh, excuse me. Sure." and move the bag between his feet. The 10th time is probably some sort of hostile/drunk/drugged out boor, and you probably don't want to sit next to him anyway.

    Of course, if it's a woman - as it sometimes is - she'll often say "NO", because she doesn't want to share the seat with me, a man. I sort of understand that, because she can't see that I'm a former Boy Scout, absolutely honorable retired military officer who would sacrifice his own life to save hers. She just sees "Creepy old man!"

    No woman would ever refuse to allow another woman to share the seat, of course.

  117. Also a member? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought it was something to do with Donald tRumps hair and the Hair Club for Men. My mistake.

  118. "Lazy Commuters are an Abomination" by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    Just what makes you think you DESERVE to sit in the most convenient spot for you. I can guarantee you that I made the extra effort to get where I needed to be and search the perfect spot for me at the time. First come, first served. You are not entitled to anything, it's there as a convenience, not an entitlement. What would you do if there were no outlets? Stop blaming other people for your poor planning, and plan ahead like you won't have access to power.

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