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Netflix is Testing a New 'Ultra' Tier of Service (cnet.com)

Netflix may be introducing a new, higher tier of service. From a report: Known as Ultra, the new tier would allow four devices to receive Ultra HD video and audio streaming simultaneously, according to Italian blog Tutto Android. Netflix currently has three subscription plans: $7.99 Basic, $10.99 Standard and $13.99 Premium. Basic allows users to watch Netflix on one screen at a time; Standard allows viewing on two screens; and Premium allows four screens. Screens can be TVs, laptops, tablets or smartphones. "We continuously test new things at Netflix and these tests typically vary in length of time," Smita Saran, a Netflix spokeswoman, said in an email. "In this case, we are testing slightly different price points and features to better understand how consumers value Netflix."

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  1. They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The one that more people are subscribing to because they're tired of Netflix's nonsense.

    1. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by pots · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm a $0 tier member myself, so I guess I can't dispute your claim, but what nonsense is this? I have and still think of Netflix as the least-bad streaming option. i.e.: a single fee covers everything, no rentals, no paying extra to be add-free or to gain access to all of the episodes of a show. Netflix does track you, which is bad, but way less than Amazon or the conglomerates that Hulu represents, which is less-bad. And their own programming is consistently critically acclaimed.

      So, what's the deal? There's room for improvement of course, but what's so bad about Netflix?

    2. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wish that pricey service include the films and shows I want to watch,

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    3. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Freischutz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wish that pricey service include the films and shows I want to watch,

      That is a wonderfully non-specific demand. Do you mean all the old classics from the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s? Those are owned by various entities that sell access to them to the highest bidder in an insanely complicated web of licensing deals that result in you not even getting a consistent catalogue of content on Netflix as you move from country to country. Or maybe you mean that you want all the latest Hollywood blockbusters to be available on Netflix? Same problem basically. Making it sound like Netflix does not want you to have access to this stuff is kind of unfair. There is never going to be a situation where you can sign up for a single streaming service and get access to all movies ever made, entertainment industry politics make that impossible.

    4. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by mccalli · · Score: 5, Interesting

      All you said is true, but they're problems for the *business* owner, not the consumer. At the end of it, I want my £7.99 to give me access to the things I want to see. At the beginning of subscription, it pretty much did. These days, unless I'm interested in Netflix originals, it pretty much doesn't. Now as it happens I *am* interested in a couple of Netflix originals - Stranger Things, A Series Of Unfortunate Events. So I keep subscribing right now. It's getting more tenuous to justify though.

    5. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Autoplaying that cannot be turned off
      2) Magical changes to the account settings
      3) The new fangled rating crap
      4) The fact that they cannot remove shit you have already seen from their "recommended" lists
      5) Seems now they cannot add back programs that you watched that now have new episodes

      Do you want me to continue?

    6. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by GrandCow · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your post stinks of old person "back in my day" speeches.

      "Back in my day we only had 4 channels, and everything was on those 4 channels, and all we needed was an antenna! We didn't need to pay for cable!"

      Suck it the fuck up, different companies charge for their stuff, and your $8/month isn't going to get you everything. Go back to a $100/month cable bill. Or just subscribe to the stuff you want. Do a little work and find which places have what you want. Even paying for multiple services is going to be cheaper than cable.

      Pick 1:
      -Cheap
      -Everything

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    7. Re: They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This

    8. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been thinking of subscribing every 3 months, the stuff on there mostly isn't that good, so I just end up watching a lot of drek. On the other hand other TV is far worse. Maybe it would be better to switch off for a bit.

    9. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are two main issues with Netflix, neither of that all that bad really.

      The selection of 3rd party stuff has decreased over the years, especially movies. The licences expire and they all have their own streaming services now, so those titles vanish from Netflix. It's quite frustrating but not really Netflix's fault. The solution is to ignore other streaming services until they go out of business and give Netflix a new licence.

      The second problem is DRM. Netflix uses DRM in a futile attempt to protect its video streams, which always appear on The Pirate Bay within an hour or two of being posted to Netflix. The DRM results in poor video quality on many devices because Netflix limits them to 480p. It also limits your ability to download and watch stuff why flying etc.

      Overall I'm reasonably happy with Netflix and subscribe from time to time, when there is stuff I want to watch.

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    10. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You are lucky in the US, you actually have the option to stream most stuff. Outside the US a lot of titles are simply unavailable.

      Also, you forgot option 3. Subscribe to a VPN and pirate stuff you can't stream. VPN is about $5/month, and the selection is excellent although some older obscure titles do sometimes go unseeded.

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    11. Re: They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Premium is already 4 screens and 4k

      So this is just a price increase ðY£

    12. Re: They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piracy is mostly a pricing problem. People don't want to pay $100 for cable anymore. And many people don't want to pay for all the streaming services (HBO, Showtime, Hulu, Prime, Disney maybe soon?). The argument from the content owners is "we own it, we can charge whay we want". Legally correct, but as long as it is easy to pirate, the reality is they can only compete on price and convenience. For me, piracy means I don't have to pay a cable bill, and every show I watch is commerical free, even if it was originally broadcast with commercials (Colony and Expanse for example). And movies are generally available pirated and high quality before streaming.

      I am 100% breaking the law, but it feels like the cost to access media is still too high. It's not that I can't afford it, it is actually not just easier to pirate. No one likes to feel screwed and subscribing to Hulu just to watch Handmaid's take, feels like a weird business model. It's sort of an added "inconvenience" cost.

      Netflix actually is then only service that seems reasonable. They offer a lot of original stuff and many old movies and TV shows. Not as much as I'd like, but for 10 bucks a month it feels very reasonable. But also, I just like the simplicity of one service. If Netflix could offer Hulu and HBO for additional fees, honestly I might do it. But I'd prefer to just be able to pay for each episode of non Netflix stuff.

    13. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by BenFenner · · Score: 2

      It sounds like you want their DVD service. It isn't all-inclusive, even for US-made stuff, but I bet it covers 99% of what you're looking for. It covers 95% of what this movie buff wants. Streaming on the other hand has about 10% of what I want to watch.

      Here I am, just hoping they'll offer a 4-DVD package, because 3-at-a-time often isn't enough for us. Where's the DVD 'Ultra' package?

    14. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      You are lucky in the US, you actually have the option to stream most stuff. Outside the US a lot of titles are simply unavailable.

      Grass. Otherside. Greener.

      A lot of titles aren't available in the US until a year after Europe and the rest of the world get it. If the title is put out by an American network we have to wait a year whilst Europe gets it immediately... or like in the case of the new Star Trek- the rest of the world gets it but the US has to go without indefinitely.

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    15. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      the $0 plan is getting more enticing. Honestly, if it weren't for the Mrs. I would cancel Netflix and just stick with Prime/Hulu.

      Netflix is losing content left and right and charging more every year or so.

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    16. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      No shit.

      I signed up for Netflix in 2009, to watch Hollywood movies, not their "original content" BS.

      It got harder and harder to find anything worth watching over the years. It got to the point where I spent more time looking for content to watch than actually watching it. I had thought about dropping them for years. I finally dropped them in 2016 when they raised the price by another dollar.

      At this point, I don't think I'd go back to watching Netflix even for free. It just takes too long to find something I want to watch.

    17. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a shame that the original business model was unsustainable.

    18. Re: They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Premium is already 4 screens and 4k

      So this is just a price increase ðY£

      But they are not increasing the price of premium.

    19. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I use youtube and get to watch Sony's latest releases free.

    20. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      "Go back to a $100/month cable bill."

      Pro Tip:

      Even with top tier cable / satellite, you still don't get to see everything. What you do get is about 10% of what you want to watch, bundled with 90% filler and bullshit. ( Like the Scientology channel, two dozen Jesus channels, the seemingly infinite number of shopping or infomercial channels and a multitude of channels in a language you don't even speak )

    21. Re: They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Signup a second account and get 6 discs. That wasnâ(TM)t so hard?

    22. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by whopis · · Score: 2

      Well right from the start you are wrong.

      You can turn off autoplay on Netflix.

    23. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by whopis · · Score: 2

      Why does that limit your ability to download and watch stuff while flying?

      I do that pretty much every time I fly and never seem to have an issue with it.

    24. Re: They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by adamstew · · Score: 1

      But they are not increasing the price of premium.

      Yes they are. The current "Premium" plan (4 screens, 4k, HDR) is being renamed to "Ultra" and having its price increased from $13.99 to $16.99.

      They are then creating a new plan (2 screens, 4k, no HDR) calling it "Premium" and pricing it at $13.99. ...Well, at least in theory. They are testing this new pricing in a few select markets.

    25. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      what's so bad about Netflix?

      They have a not-so-subtle political agenda. On Amazon you find shows and features with all kinds of viewpoints, but Netflix has a definite slant towards the regressive left agenda.

    26. Re: They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck, encryption lowers the quality of the video? What are you doing on a website for technically minded people?

    27. Re: They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What are you doing, not reading things correctly or jumping to conclusions? Remember the debates about HDCP a decade ago, when we were told that with no HDCP, video might be stuck at 480p.

      To put this explicitly : Netflix plays a game where they require higher end DRM features to play higher resolutions of video. So 480p is easiest, followed by 720p which might work in a linux browser with the "EME" module from Adobe, then there's 1080p and 2160p. For example playing the highest res on a PC may require Intel SGX instructions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Guard_Extensions

      On a PC running Windows you may have a spectrum of max supported resolution depending on the software used : Firefox, Edge, Windows 10 (UWP) application.
      On Android they might require using a verified application from Google's app store.
      I don't know all the specifics from the back of my hand but then again I never used netflix.

    28. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're in a country with lots of content on the free air TV antenna it might be decent to record the movies, e.g. using a PC with USB or PCI tuner(s).
      I know it would work in my country, the ads are not too onerous and they still air movies as in the 90s but on more channels. But I don't have a TV currently. For some reason, it seems to me that a 32" LCD takes twice the room of what a 21" 4:3 CRT did. Not in cubic centimeters but the damn width.

      It was easier in the 90s too, as we just used the VCR!
      But, OTA TV is a good 1080p H264 with higher quality than cable or streaming and I don't think it has DRM, else this would prevent watching it. Like with VCRs, copying it to your TV, computer or thing is legal.

    29. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by terrycarlino · · Score: 2

      How about we fix IP law so that things enter the public domain in a reasonable amount of time. There should also be an abandonment clause that requires abandoned work (work not available or in print) be given an even shorter amount of time before moving to the public domain.

      Right now there is almost 100 years of video records in existence of which only a small part, heavily weighed toward the last 30 years, is available at any price. Much of it will never see the light of day if the media companies have their way, and none of it will ever enter the public domain. This needs to change

    30. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only Netflix nonsense that I am tired of is them trying to create their own content! 99.99% of Netflix's original content is not worth even looking at the description, much less watching! Get it together Netflix! More content that people want, and no more "original content"! Oh, and it should be one price no matter how many screens are watching!!!

    31. Re: They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iâ(TM)m thinking of canceling Netflix.
      I mostly watch Prime these days.
      Seems as though I have seen all I wanted to on Netflix.

    32. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do what I do. Binge watch the shows you like and cancel. Next year renew for a month and repeat.

    33. Re:They Forgot the $0 No Service Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not on the menu screen you can't. Trailers will autoplay and there's no way to turn it off.

  2. Want to make a buttload of money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Offer a tier that grants access to movies without geographic restrictions. You know how many Canadians would pay for US content?

    1. Re:Want to make a buttload of money? by adfraggs · · Score: 2

      They effectively already did this and had to be strongly pressured by content providers to put any kind of limitation on it. It was a big selling point of netflix that all you needed was a DNS hack to watch any region you wanted. They certainly knew this and knew it bought them a truck load of customers.

    2. Re:Want to make a buttload of money? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      That was attempted by a few streaming services. HD US streaming shows getting cash in from around the world on the same day as a US release.
      Happy fans, happy content owners. A healthy profit for the next show.
      What did national network owners do?
      Demand that only they could show US media later. Much later.

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    3. Re:Want to make a buttload of money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Offer a tier that grants access to movies without geographic restrictions. You know how many Canadians would pay for US content?

      I was about to say the same thing. I have a 4K UHD TV an Premium Netflix already. The only other thing I would want from Netflix is access to ALL of the content from ANY region.

      Also, nobody should be surprised about a price increase from Netflix. They're the market leader when it comes to video streaming, this is what companies do in that position.

      Posting anon because I modded you up

    4. Re: Want to make a buttload of money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already put prices up once this year. I don't have a problem with the new service but it must not water down my existing premium service.

    5. Re:Want to make a buttload of money? by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Netflix is far from the market leader today if you go by the amount of content they actually have. Amazon Prime has a MUCH larger movie selection, and Hulu has a much larger TV series selection. Netflix falls somewhere inbetween, but they do have the best (IMHO) interface. If you are just looking to watch something interesting netflix is pretty good at finding stuff you may not have heard about that you will enjoy. If you are looking for a service where you already know what you want to watch, then Amazon Prime is much better (if it isn't a Netflix Original that is).

    6. Re: Want to make a buttload of money? by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      American here. Most of what I watch is Canadian TV, so I understand the frustration of geolocked content. Trailer Park Boys and Letterkenny are the two best shows out of Canada. See also Red Green Show for those of us who aren't handsome, but are at least handy.

  3. Uhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think NZ sells the "Ultra" plan as Premium: https://imgur.com/a/6drgOHY

  4. 14 bucks a month to be spied on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never in a million years...

    1. Re:14 bucks a month to be spied on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just walk outside, you can get spied on for free just about anywhere; and it's not limited to the the usual suspects like the u.s., england, china, etc. either.

    2. Re: 14 bucks a month to be spied on? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Out here where I live, the only ones spying on me outside are rabbits, birds, and the occasional squirrel (more so now that the walnut trees have matured).

    3. Re: 14 bucks a month to be spied on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *That you know of

    4. Re: 14 bucks a month to be spied on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the all-seeing eyes in space that can zoom down to your face and photograph you at any second of any day without your consent or knowledge.

  5. What about content tiers? by Sebby · · Score: 2

    Say I don't want any of my cash to end up in Fox's coffers in license fees, I could go for a Netflix Originals only tier - what about that?

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    1. Re:What about content tiers? by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      F**k that noise, regional separation is bad enough, we don't want Netflix to turn into another "channel" provider.

    2. Re:What about content tiers? by Sebby · · Score: 1

      we don't want Netflix to turn into another "channel" provider.

      That's the way I see things going - since everybody and their grandma is now prepping their own content service (Disney's next).

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    3. Re:What about content tiers? by adfraggs · · Score: 1

      nooo!

    4. Re:What about content tiers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And everybody and there grandma can kiss my ass.

      I will pay for *one* content service only... If you don't put your content on it, then I either won't see your shit, or I'll sail the seven seas and see it anyway.

      The key here is to change the license fee structure for these services - You should only get your cut if a person actually watches your content. Example breakdown: 70% of the subscription fee goes to content, and based on "percentage of watch time" your show gets from that user for the month, you get that percentage of the "content" budget for that customer. 0%? 0 dollars. 1%? you'd get like 7 cents of a $10 subscription fee.

    5. Re: What about content tiers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Netflix originals are mostly garbage. No thank you.

    6. Re:What about content tiers? by GrandCow · · Score: 1

      And how much would you be willing to pay for a service like that? I can promise it won't be anywhere near $10/month.

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    7. Re:What about content tiers? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      F**k that noise, regional separation is bad enough, we don't want Netflix to turn into another "channel" provider.

      Too late. It has been heading that way for a long time. There is less and less content from outside providers on Netflix every year and more and more "Netflix made stuff".

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    8. Re:What about content tiers? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Charging per view requires the content owners to have a great deal of trust in the streaming services reporting accurately. Content owners will also worry their content will be hidden/discouraged in favor of promoting content that's cheaper per view. On the other side, streaming services don't want to pay per view because that would enable small startups to easily break into their market and compete with them.

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    9. Re:What about content tiers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you want to pay for a subscription that only shows Soro's propaganda?

    10. Re:What about content tiers? by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      You have something against Disney?

    11. Re:What about content tiers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I could watch/listen/read anything I wanted (limit 1 screen at a time) I'd probably pay $40 - $70 a month for that service.

  6. it is all about money after all by adfraggs · · Score: 1

    We shouldn't be surprised that they are testing the possibility of simply making more money, although we may have been fooled these past few years into thinking that Netflix's low prices were based on some kind of nice-guy philosophy rather than being an aggressive market-share-grabbing tactic. Now that they've got the market share they are in a position to make a bit more of a squeeze out of their customers. This is just what marketing departments do. If people show that they are willing to pay then the new tier will be a permanent thing. The customer base would do well to not screw itself over and strongly resist this trend but I'm guessing we'll be surprised by the outcome i.e. it will prove successful. Not all of their customers are price-savvy.

    1. Re:it is all about money after all by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      This is just what businesses do.

      FTFY.

  7. Oh great. by dwywit · · Score: 1

    Australia's No-Broadband-Service can't cope with existing loads. What's this going to do to peak-time speeds?

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    1. Re:Oh great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's what Net Neutrality is all about: To allow a minority of selfish downloaders to hog all the bandwidth!

      Shape Them Now!!

    2. Re:Oh great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is hardly an australia specific problem, happens everywhere including the US.

  8. Going to need a better internet by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Time to rethink that paper insulated NN rules for all POTS wireline.
    Time for some new innovative community broadband so gated communities and gentrified zip codes can enjoy more 4K.

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  9. Can't wait for ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ... their MKUltra tier. Literally. I want to wait, but, for some reason, I can't.

    I wonder if they'll make me watch -- I... mean... -- if I'll get to watch ST Discovery?

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    1. Re:Can't wait for ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... their MKUltra tier. Literally. I want to wait, but, for some reason, I can't.

      my condolences on your loss of sanity, perhaps your next incarnation will be better

  10. stop autoplaying previews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not going to pay for any of this shit as long as their UI gives no choice

  11. More content please, not more pixels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a plan for the poor serfs stuck in the USA that has a reasonable variety of theater released movies, and not just a bunch of ‘original’ content.
    It got pretty bad when every time I searched for a movie I got the results for other ‘similar’ movies. Never the movie I wanted to watch.

    1. Re:More content please, not more pixels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It because the content providers got greedy... Back when Netflix had the Starz deal they had lots of great movies - After that expired, the content providers started demanding way too much money to maintain their price point.

  12. The problem with the Ultra plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with the Ultra plan is that Netflix has barely any UHD content. So ultimately what they're really selling here is a higher tier of sharing. (Is it 4 screens... It 4 people? Wink wink). In which case this is really Netflix lowering rates and doing it under the guise of a higher tier plan.

    1. Re:The problem with the Ultra plan by GrandCow · · Score: 1

      I can't tell if you're promoting sharing accounts or not buying the service.

      Nobodys forcing you to buy it. You can always continue to use the cheaper service.

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    2. Re: The problem with the Ultra plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not promoting anything. Just pointing out that Netflix has not really provided an expanded service offering as much as they have lowered their rates.

      Which, as a public company who has hit peak subscribership along with peak revenue growth in standard accounts, is notable.

    3. Re:The problem with the Ultra plan by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Four screens in a household really doesn't seem unrealistic.

      > In which case this is really Netflix lowering rates...

      Lowering rates of *what*? They added the 2 screen / HD tier at a higher price, a 4 screen / 4K tier for even more money, and base tier is a one screen SD tier at the legacy HD price. Notably, the title selection has gone down a lot too.

      Maybe lowering rates of account sharing? If so, I haven't seen or heard that happen yet. I'm surprised they haven't cracked down on that, maybe they're smarter than I give them credit.

    4. Re:The problem with the Ultra plan by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's really sparse. Thor: Ragnarok is available elsewhere in UHD, but Netflix, despite these tiers, won't pay the extra licensing? Sad.

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  13. I'm confused by rh2600 · · Score: 2

    I'm on Premium, and already and always have 'Ultra'/4k as part of it for four screens

    1. Re:I'm confused by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ultra is not a new tier, it’s the new Premium. You’ll have to pay more for what you have now, or get downgraded.

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    2. Re:I'm confused by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's true. I think the new tier also has HDR.

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    3. Re:I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The premium Tier currently has 4K, HDR, DolbyVision and Dolby Atmos/ Dolby 5.1.
      4K/HDR/DV will be available only in the $17 Ultra, if they decide to move forward and not grandfather the current Premium subscribers. So, it's price hike from $14 to $17.

    4. Re:I'm confused by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I must have misread the article I mentioned.

      It made it sound like currently they only offer 4k, and it's billed as premium, but they were adding HDR and adding it as Ultra.

      Seems risky to not only match, but surpass HBO in price (though I assume HBO is 1080p only).

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  14. That's it, I'm off Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they ever decrease the number of simultaneous screens and get greedy with this Ultra tier, I'm dropping Netflix and moving to Kodi.

  15. What about on demand payments? by antdude · · Score: 1

    Instead of subscriptions? :/

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  16. Tired of being Tiered by thefrog · · Score: 2

    I'm very tired of Netflix, to which I subscribe.

    The rating system changes, the annoying previews and trailers that automatically play at every spot on there user interface, and the decreased screen real estate for viewing possible selections have really bothered me. The ham-fisted: 'You will like what we provide and have no choice', 'Your input is not important', and 'We can do what we want' attitude is, unfortunately, becoming the norm for them (did they hire a bunch of people from the cable company?)

    They are, in fact, hard to cancel -- but, like cable, after a few months the pain should decrease. Unlike cable, it is not so much a matter of cost as a matter of annoyance, unresponsiveness, and an increasing lack of options.

    1. Re:Tired of being Tiered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is Netflix hard to cancel? I often do it when I take a month's Amazon Prime subscription, to watch something on Prime.

      Unless you mean, it is hard because they have a lot of content you want to watch. I find Netflix has a lot more content I want to watch than Amazon Prime, and it is generally less annoying, at least Netflix doesn't insert trailers for their other shows in-between episodes of something you actually want to watch.

    2. Re:Tired of being Tiered by thefrog · · Score: 1

      Although the act of cancellation is simple, the coordination with folks in the house who are at various points in consuming content is more difficult. I find more content on Netflix that is interesting than Amazon Prime. Netflix has constant trailers on the updated app -- I had to roll back to an older version to make it stop. Amazon prime allows me to turn off some of the auto-playing previews, but not the pre-show trailers.

      I get so much less now for my subscription than I used to receive; I pay more than I used to pay; and it seems efforts have gone into making the experience worse. Even in cancelling.. there will be weeks of service left.

  17. Throttle by Calydor · · Score: 2

    And then Comcast throttles the speed to 480p anyway.

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    1. Re:Throttle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Netflix throttles and then blames Comcast.

    2. Re:Throttle by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      What area do you live in? Here in the Chicago suburbs I have both Comcast and Netflix and have no issues with multiple 4k streams from them at the same time.

    3. Re:Throttle by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Europe, just going by previous Slashdot articles about (I believe it was) Comcast throttling mobile data detected as video streams to around 480p.

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    4. Re:Throttle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They lost that lawsuit in the last couple of years. I used to experience this, as you say, but not in the 8 months since I moved back to Texas.

    5. Re:Throttle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, well... I doubt anyone wants (pay for) do 4K HDR netflix streams on their cellphone over the cellular network. You'd chew through your data plan (even "unlimited" plans) pretty quickly. There isn't a cellphone that can even do ATMOS (kind of hard to do 7.1.6 from 2 tiny speakers). Comcast is a TINY cell phone provider here in the US (so tiny, I haven't met a single person that actually uses them). Everyone uses AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile or one of their many resellers (walmart, target, budget, PCS, etc). I'm sure comcast is just reselling one of the big 4's too, but I'm not sure which.

      On the other hand, Comcast is one of the largest cable tv/cable internet providers, and there isn't many areas in which you couldn't stream UHD 4K HDR over cable internet from Comcast.

  18. Come on Mr. Brainless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on Mr. Brainless,

    If Netflix were evil, they would have ads. Instead they ensure it is a pleasurable viewing experience free of annoying things like Hulu and Amazon do.

    Quit being a bug-eyed nincompoop.

    1. Re:Come on Mr. Brainless by adfraggs · · Score: 1

      Annoying your customers is stupid, not evil. Netflix don't have ads and ensure it is a pleasurable viewing experience because that's a good business model for them. That doesn't make them more or less evil, it makes them smart enough to know how to keep the revenue coming in. But people are naive if they think Netflix won't push the boundaries of what their customers will accept in order to try and make more money. That's exactly what they're doing here. And you, sir or madam, are the nincompoop

  19. Netflix has lost its luster by mea_culpa · · Score: 2

    Netflix used to be great with lots of good TV shows and movies. They did well with some OC but lately everything feels B rated and meh.

    It's bad enough that I've pulled the plug last month and canceled it.
    Maybe next year I'll do a month free trial and see if things have improved.

    1. Re:Netflix has lost its luster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They did well with some OC but lately everything feels B rated and meh."

      That's because Hollywood is running out of fresh ideas. Hence the popular "reboot" meme.

    2. Re:Netflix has lost its luster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More than a feeling. Check out the Instant Watcher site. There's nothing there that would make me want to restart my subscription.

      Also, I think they made a mistake cancelling some of their OC such as Marco Polo. It was of a higher quality than the Marvel stuff.

    3. Re:Netflix has lost its luster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or those in positions of power are taking a pass on fresh ideas.

    4. Re:Netflix has lost its luster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also because too expensive to license the good stuff, or unavailable because studios starting their own stuff or wanting it to be on hulu or whatever.

    5. Re:Netflix has lost its luster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix used to be great with lots of good TV shows and movies. They did well with some OC but lately everything feels B rated and meh.

      It's bad enough that I've pulled the plug last month and canceled it.
      Maybe next year I'll do a month free trial and see if things have improved.

      Cool story bro, so what are you going to do with your $8, start going to Wendy’s instead of McDonald’s, drive to work the long way? That’s like three gallons of gas, you going to take a trip somewhere?

  20. Ultra? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they should start getting better movies and shows again. The constant foreign and low-budget shit got old enough that I cancelled a while ago.

  21. Misspelling .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leave it to the to misspell "streams" as "screens".

    I really don't give a crap about UHD resolution video. But if it includes UHD Audio then I am all for it!

  22. ...and chil. by DrYak · · Score: 1

    (Is it 4 screens... It 4 people? Wink wink).

    For the wink, wink to happen, you would neet at least 8 people in front of those 4 screens.
    The ..and chill part of netflix activities usually requires a minimum of 2 bodies.

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    1. Re:...and chil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chill with my fist.

  23. A new tier srtucture that might make most people, by bn-7bc · · Score: 0

    Spltt the supscription choce into 2 caregories
    1: numer of simulttanius streams now (well screens in netflijs lingo)
    2 : maxsimum resolusion

    The way things are now a singel oerson household (me for instance) who wants uhd needs to oe for 3 orhe screens they will never use, which has the unintended conesqence of âoeincurragingâ people to prake the tos an share the account with friends etc. What genious decided the bette oicture qualiry atomativly ment you neede more screens? To be clear I am aware that the uhd option would mske the singel screen option mor exspensive, and Iâ(TM)m fine with that as there ate ekstra costs providing UHD, banwith storrage etc) just be transparant in thr way products ar priced

  24. Re:A new tier srtucture that might make most peopl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Have you suffered a head injury?

  25. Sincerely, I hate you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They already raised the prices recently.. Now they will change my subscription and lower the number of devices from 4 to 2. So basically, it's a price raise, and I'll have to pay more, again.

    Thanks Netflix.

  26. Subtitles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if this new feature will make users aware of the fact that a movie is in a foreign language and subtitled before they watch it.

  27. In other words, we got downgraded by nickjj · · Score: 1

    This snippet isn't telling the full story.

    While basic is limited to 1 screen, it's also limited to only SD streaming.
    Standard has HD
    And now this new premium has 4k HD

    But prior to this plan change, standard members could stream 4k video. Now they require you to pay about 20% more to get what you previously had.

    1. Re:In other words, we got downgraded by ruddk · · Score: 1

      If we can call it "fair", I'd think it is a good idea to have premium and ultra. I would have no use for 4 screens, so making 4 screens a separate tier is good(for me). I don't have 4k so a "standard" with HD and one screen is a good fit for me. But I am still not going to subscribe again. I don't care about any of their shows at the moment.

  28. Increase revenue to fund the Obama deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much did the Netflix/Obama content deal cost? The Ultra price increase should cover it.

  29. It was fun while it lasted by ruddk · · Score: 3, Informative

    but we are back to the same old cable tv crap. Subscribe to 5 services to get what we want. The main difference is that it is over IP, on demand and the company names have changed a bit.
    Not that I expected that it would turn out otherwise.

    1. Re:It was fun while it lasted by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      but we are back to the same old cable tv crap. Subscribe to 5 services to get what we want. The main difference is that it is over IP, on demand and the company names have changed a bit.
      Not that I expected that it would turn out otherwise.

      And you're paying for internet what you used to pay to get cable TV and internet before you cut the cord.

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    2. Re:It was fun while it lasted by ledow · · Score: 1

      Hint:

      Stop paying for products/services that are only available in that fashion.

      Literally say "Nope, sorry, won't touch that series even though I love it."

      Wait a year, buy the physical media, or wait for it to come over to the services you do want to see. Or not buy it at all.

      While "but I must see it now" is the driver, you can never escape those kind of lock-ins and they know it.

      Hint: Spend a year without any media at all. Bin the TV. You won't miss it at all after the initial shock. Then, from that point on, you're always "a year behind". You can cherry-pick those things that are actually good, be pre-warned of those things that aren't worth the money, and pick up all your media for much cheaper and/or free and still have it be "new" to you.

      It's like people complaining about the price of the latest football (soccer) kits, which change every year. Then... stop buying them. Support your team in other ways.

    3. Re:It was fun while it lasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do the same for sports. Tickets cost way too much. Get a year behind on the sport and you can pretty much watch anything you want for free.

    4. Re:It was fun while it lasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have Netflix and Hulu and that is it. And I only have Hulu because I get it for free from Bing Rewards and I have the account loaded with promotion time till around June 2019 from it without paying a dime. Without that, I would only have Netflix.

      I don't mind multiple providers, so long as they are free.

      I enjoy CWTV which is free, PBS which is free, Youtube which is free and so on.

      I can gladly live with a few ads to long as they aren't extreme. But just only pay for 1 service and that is it.

      If they fragment into 5+ services that you have to pay for, I will just go to doing without. I only watch like 4 hours a month personally anyways and I have an antenna which gets like 28-32 local channels.

      And if push came to shove, I could easily just dump it all and do without. Used to live in front of the TV and playing video games, now I could honestly do without any of them and be just fine. But do basically spend much of my time online reading and researching stuff though. If I lost online entirely, who knows.

    5. Re:It was fun while it lasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wait a year, buy the physical media, or wait for it to come over to the services you do want to see. Or not buy it at all."

      The problem is this: Many shows are just now becoming *not* available on physical media. Take the show Turn for example Season 4. You can't find anything but bootlegged on DVD. Also, I need to complete my set of Agents of Shield - it's impossible.

  30. Still on DVDs by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    I prefer the expanded catalog of the DVD/Blu-Ray plan.

  31. What the summary doesn't say... by atrex · · Score: 2

    Had to RTFA to see the nasty part of this change: Premium users may get cut down to 2 screens at a time from the current 4. Premium already offers Ultra HD content across 4 screens. So this is basically another way for Netflix to hike their streaming prices, not offer customers more choice.

  32. Fake News by AKCoder · · Score: 1

    I just looked at my plan before I typed this to make sure I wasn't reading wrong. I am on the Premium plan which is 4 screens + Ultra HD. That's right. Ultra HD on all 4 screens. So ... this is definitely fake news.

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    1. Re:Fake News by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      This article is about changes for Netflix in Italy.

      All the rest is speculation about how that might also be changed elsewhere in the world.

      Yeah, that's how low /. has sunk, it's re-posting guesses about a company's possible future American pricing from a foreign blog post.

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  33. Their limitations are lame by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    Why allow a user to create 5 different accounts (or is it 4?) if you can only view it on 1 or 2 screens using their basic/standard services? If you're going to lock it down, lock it down as 1 screen per family member.

    1. Re:Their limitations are lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your family members can take turns watching Netflix, can't they? Each profile has recommendations based on their preferences.

  34. Because watching video and audio separately is fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "the new tier would allow four devices to receive Ultra HD video and audio streaming simultaneously."