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Scott Pruitt Resigns as EPA Administrator (cnbc.com)

Scott Pruitt's polarizing tenure as head of the Environmental Protection Agency has come to an end. From a report: President Donald Trump tweeted on Thursday that he has accepted Pruitt's resignation. Trump said that the agency's deputy administrator, Andrew Wheeler, will become the acting head of EPA. The departure follows months of scrutiny that gathered momentum following reports that Pruitt had rented a Capitol Hill condominium linked to an energy lobbyist on favorable terms. The revelation exacerbated concerns about the high cost of Pruitt's travel and security detail and triggered a flood of allegations that Pruitt fostered a culture of workplace retaliation, wasteful spending and self-dealing at EPA. The steady flow of negative news stories prompted multiple government investigators to open several inquiries into Pruitt. His EPA now faces about a dozen probes into its spending, ethics and policy decisions. In a statement, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) said, "Good." Further reading: Judge Orders EPA To Produce Science Behind Pruitt's Climate Claims

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  1. GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just sayin

    1. Re:GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that story was the kicker in the perception damage control war going on behind the scenes at Trump's sellout administration. Scott was no longer an effective traitor and sellout with 19 active investigations, but a liability.

      3, 2, 1.... Prison, for real.

    2. Re:GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd be more than okay with that, too, because Sessions strikes me as a closeted neo-nazi, the way he doesn't give a fuck about basic human rights.
      Law not tempered by mercy is not justice, and untempered law strictly enforced to the letter is barbarism.

    3. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by DamnOregonian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, the leftists pushed him out, with their massive political power in the current Government.
      Fucking moron.
      Him being gone has nothing to do with leftists, that corrupt shitstain simply crossed a threshold where it was realized that he would start becoming a liability to get *any* middle voters. Pruitt is an example of Trump filling the swamp, and he won because he promised to some desperate people who really didn't like him very much to drain it. He'll need those people if he wants 2020, and if the republicans want 2018.

    4. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like the whole "look at his expensive pens" deal, I don't want the EPA administrator handing a $.50 pen to his worldwide counterparts left over from a job fair.

      I remember when you guys had a fit because Obama put Grey Poupon on a hamburger. And why was Scott Pruitt even dealing with "worldwide counterparts". He was head of the Environmental Protection Agency, not the State Department. Maybe if he'd spent a little less time trying to hook his wife up with a no-work job and a little more time fixing the problem with lead in the drinking water on US domestic military bases, he wouldn't be seen as such a schnorrer.

      So, kindly go fuck yourself

      Anyway, the most fun part of the Pruitt saga was when he would make his underlings book his personal travel expenses and then not reimburse them. The guy wasn't just corrupt, he was corrupt about some of the most petty things imaginable. I'll bet he was taking those $1500 worth of pens and selling them on eBay. He was so corrupt that there should now be a 20-year moratorium on anyone from Oklahoma having a job with the federal government, just to be on the safe side. You know, until we figure out what's going on.

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    5. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like the whole "look at his expensive pens" deal, I don't want the EPA administrator handing a $.50 pen to his worldwide counterparts left over from a job fair.

      That is a very specific and spelled out crime. And your willingness to accept criminal actions by lawmakers is just an example of the abandonment of law and order by the party that used to run on it.

      Pretty much makes you a criminal in my book. I support actual law and order, and punishing criminals to the maximum extent possible -

      You can bitch about lefties all you want. If a lefdt winger is law abiding, then they deserve to live peacefully. A right winger like yourself who suports lawlessness is a person who needs to be with other criminals. I'm not a leftie either. WhAt is it like to support crime?

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    6. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, the leftists pushed him out, with their massive political power in the current Government. Fucking moron. Him being gone has nothing to do with leftists, that corrupt shitstain simply crossed a threshold where it was realized that he would start becoming a liability to get *any* middle voters. Pruitt is an example of Trump filling the swamp, and he won because he promised to some desperate people who really didn't like him very much to drain it. He'll need those people if he wants 2020, and if the republicans want 2018.

      What is unfortunate is that people like makerfixer actually support criminals as long as they pretend to be against those "lefties" that he has a white hot hate for. note - for criminals like makerfixer, a leftie is anyone who disagrees with him or his god on earth who he licks the boots of.. Funny how a far left idea like tarriffs - which are a form of price control - is now a right wing touchstone. And actual criminals like pruitt are defended as patriotic right thinking Americans.

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    7. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by makerfixer · · Score: 2

      How am I supporting a criminal? Do you know what a criminal is? The pens were ordered from the same source as his predecessor and their predecessor, the booth was properly acquired using the acquisition process. Just because they are investigating every fart the guy ever had in office has no consequence on him being a "criminal" in your eyes. I support the idea that the executive of an agency should have broad powers and that the intent of having a staff that works against him/her and launches a campaign of endless, baseless investigations and stirred up controversy is a bad thing for a democracy. I didn't see anyone not able to criticize Trump or Pruitt, of course, criticize people on the other side and lose your job, business, personal relationships, etc... Criticize anything the EPA did prior to Trump (like directly causing several environmental disasters through gross incompetence) and be silenced on a dozen social platforms and accused of being a racist right-wing lunatic...

    8. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by makerfixer · · Score: 2

      This is why we need more Republicans and Trump people in office! Suddenly the same thing that was standard practice for at least the last 8 years and probably the last 80 gets looked at through a new lens filter, suddenly its okay to notice it and call it out as wrong and something people want to see stopped! How wonderful, we just need to keep this up for another term and maybe we'll get some where on corruption and reform. or we can have another Democrat in office and suddenly the shade will come down and this will be "perfectly acceptable" At least we can have the conversation now.

    9. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I especially love the people who think it's so important to imprison asylum seekers indefinitely on minor misdemeanor charges (because the law is the law), but official corruption is totally cool because they're doing God's work.

      Hell, the people who are incensed that Hillary Clinton still hasn't been locked up for having a personal email server completely dismiss the fact that half of the current administration does the same thing. Hillary can't be trusted with classified information because she used an insecure server, Trump can use an insecure phone and blab classified intel to our adversaries all he wants because he's the President so it's legal!

      dom

    10. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by DamnOregonian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What's this shit about pens? Why are you throwing up a smoke screen for the man?
      He's currently under 17 ethics violation, not a single one of them has anything to do with some fucking overpriced pens.
      Don't try to purposefully conflate people trying to throw dirt at the man with the very real ethics violation and corruption he's been caught red-handed engaging in.

    11. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE TURD by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is why we need more Republicans and Trump people in office!

      Exactly! This whole ethics things is just stupid. We don't want law-abiding people in office, we want the finest criminals money can buy! I mean how else is my ship going to come in? I figure that any day now I'll get a bit rich and then I want to be able to bribe my way into getting sweet government lucre using ethics violations and then I'll be super rich.

      There's much less chance of me being able to do that if we get rid of Trump and his ilk.

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  2. Trump's version of swamp draining... by shilly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fill it so high that America gags, then drain it the tiniest bit and try to get everyone to ignore the stink of dried out shit around their necks.

    1. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trump is the swamp. He's done nothing but appoint rich, unqualified morons to head various things.

      They've all proven to know nothing at all about the stuff they're in charge of, and mostly are just looking to enrich themselves. And they lie in public just as much as he does (like about $31K dining sets they claim they don't remember approving).

      Trump and his idiot cronies are really just sticking their fingers in the pie and giving themselves all sorts of perks, and this includes his shit-stain of a family.

      Anybody who thought an asshole billionaire would be doing anything but making life better for his asshole billionaire friends was a fool from the get go.

      Just remember, America ... when this clown is done being in office, the damage he's done to your international relationships won't be easily fixed. We sure as fuck won't be rushing to make nice with you.

    2. Re: Trump's version of swamp draining... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize simply for not being Bush, imagine what Trumpâ(TM)s successor will be awarded.

    3. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by chadenright · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What worries me are not the Americans who are horrified at what Trump is doing to our country. I'm far, far more worried about the Americans who think Trump is doing an OK job, the economy is rosy, and he is keeping all his campaign promises to them. Because those are the people who are gonna vote Trump again in 2020 and I'm not sure the US can survive another 4 years of him.

    4. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by thomn8r · · Score: 2

      The NSA would like to know how you found out about Project CESSPOOL

    5. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I firmly believe that many of Trump's base are his base not because they like Trump so much, but because they hated Obama and all Democrats and used their ballots for revenge, and to hell what it did to the Country, let it all burn to the ground so far as they're concerned; it's the ugly underside of having a democratic republic, nothing prevents people from abusing their right to vote in such a way that they use it to cause damage just out of spite. I also firmly believe that many of Trump's supporters are in so deep now that they don't think they can do and about-face without losing everything, so they continue to hold their noses, and that members of the GOP who are suddenly retiring from office are doing so because they can't hold their noses anymore, but aren't going to 'sell out' their own party (although ironically, they did exactly that by supporting Trump as a candidate).

      So far as 2020 goes: If you want to help, you've got to convince people you know who are Independents to register as Democrat, even if it's just an expedient, and if you know any Republicans who also just can't hold their noses any longer against how much Trump and the GOP stink, get them to do the same. It's what I saw I had to do, and it's probably the only way to get him out of office in 2020 (unless Mueller turns up something even the GOP can't ignore). People will say you're asking them to be traitors to their principles, but desperate times call for desperate measures; tell them that at least this way they can help get a viable Democratic candidate on the ballot who isn't Hillary Clinton (because she's a guaranteed loss).

    6. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Instead of offering a platform you give "dirty tactics" (your words) and meanderings about washing machines with divisive rhetoric (with us or against us)?

      Welp, I am sold. Who needs a platform when you have "dirty tactics" and insane rants! #bluewave for real.

      Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you; The state of the democratic party. Why give a platform when you can rant insanely assuming people think exactly like you!

    7. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trump is standing up to the world

      Yeah! Those fucking Canadians have had it too easy for too long, what with them always helping us!

      You're just mad because you want to see America fail.

      This makes me sad because I believe that many Trump supporters actually believe things like this about people who disagree with them. There are way too many people in this country who think they have a monopoly on love for their country.

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    8. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      or get Democrats to all re-register as Republican for 2020

      Or maybe actual progressives need to form their own party, actual small-government conservatives need to form their own party, and let the "Democrats" and "Republicans" twist in the wind wondering why no one likes them any more.

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    9. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What the fuck dude?

      The economy is positively booming with unemployment at its lowest level since the 1960s. Economists are worried about a breakout in inflation on account of companies having to increase wages so much to attract workers.

      Trump isn't doing an okay job, he's doing a fantastic job and is actually delivering on his campaign promises. You're just worried that his approval ratings are steadily increasing as more and more people come to realise what a good job he's doing.

    10. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I think there are a lot of people who think love means always agreeing. Instead, look at the country like a crazy uncle. Sure you can love the uncle, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with everything he says or does. If you've got a relative you love that's hooked on opiates you don't sit back and say "good for her, doing what she wants whenever she wants!", instead you try to help that relative out.

      The whole foundation of this country begins with disagreeing. Thomas Jefferson said he loved Great Britain but could no longer bear to be ruled by its government. We should treat it as our fundamental civic duty to bitch and complain when we disagree with the government! Anyone who tells others to shut up and stop criticizing the government is not being patriotic. "My country right or wrong" is a terrible and ignorant motto.

    11. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by jwhyche · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem with your thinking here. The truth is Trump is actually doing a good job as president. I know so many people around here are so badly infected with TDS that they can't see that. One more piece of news too, unless Trump decides not to run in 2020 he is going to win a second term by a land slide.

      You are welcome for these unpopular but undisputed truths.

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    12. Re: Trump's version of swamp draining... by mapkinase · · Score: 2

      Or, maybe, they did not like what Obama did to the country ao much that they decided that wven Trump is better than another Dem establishment lackey

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    13. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by dryeo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Doesn't work, whichever 3rd party that replaces one of the main stream ones will just have all the members of the main stream one move to the new party.

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    14. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      That's ridiculous. Ask yourself why 45% of the electorate decided to stay home in 2016. I bet the answer is that people did not feel like either the D or R candidate was worth voting for or represented them, and they believed the narrative that a vote for any other party was a waste of time. There is a massive chunk of the population that doesn't feel like they should vote. Look at the Democrats now - they have no leadership, and no agenda other than opposing whatever Republicans do. Their incumbents are losing elections, and I would bet money that trend continues in the midterms. You still have to look for people like Bernie Sanders, who explicitly makes the point that he is not a Democrat, to see any kind of positive agenda that doesn't only revolve around opposition to Republican policies.
        Democratic incumbents are going to be replaced by newcomers because the Democrats have no message and, like the Republicans, are showing that they are completely useless in Congress. If you're counting on them for balance, you're going to be disappointed. It's time for change. We need 3, 4, or 5 parties in Congress so that people will actually make some sort of attempt to compromise with each other for laws that 60, 70, or 80% of people support instead of this bullshit where each party crafts some awful legislation and then tries to scrape together the absolute bare minimum of votes to pass it. We deserve much better than that. The Ds and Rs have dropped the ball and they deserve to be kicked out.

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    15. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      Your attitude towards your fellow citizens is a good illustration of the division the country faces. It's completely incorrect and it's a good illustration of the problem that many people like you have. I'm not sure who has convinced you that a large percentage of the country is your enemy, although I could certainly guess, but it's not correct and it's not helpful to progress. Viewing those that you disagree with as your enemy will not help you solve the problem, especially when you need their help, and most especially when you're part of a very small minority of people who think like you. I understand where you're coming from though, when you have a distorted view of reality in general and you can't figure out how other people see things differently, it helps you mentally if you can convince yourself that those who disagree with you are somehow "less" than you are. That's not necessarily true either.

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    16. Re:Trump's version of swamp draining... by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      No, he spelled Trump correctly. Virtually everything successful in this economy has been correctly attributed to Trump. Even some of his worse critics have to admit that.

      Under Obama the economy was one of the worse in recorded history. His mismanagement of the economy are just one more reason, along with those 7 to 10 trillion others, that Obama will go down as one of the worse in history. Of course it will take 25 or more years for this to happen.

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  3. Scott Pruitt is a cow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You are all cows. Cows say moo. MOOOOOO! MOOOOOO! Moo cows MOOOOO! Moo say the cows. YOU ENVIRONMENTALLY PROTECTED COWS!!

  4. Womp womp by scubamage · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thoughts and prayers.

  5. An EPA administrator with the shortest tenure by Lucas123 · · Score: 4, Informative

    And yet, he had the most harmful agenda toward his own agancy of any predecessor.

    What's crazy is that it took an ethics scandal over sweetheart deals with a gas industry lobbying firm to get him out

    Yeah, I guess you can say at least he's out, but who knows who Trump will replace him with. Probably just another oil and coal industry lapdog.

    1. Re:An EPA administrator with the shortest tenure by Thelasko · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I guess you can say at least he's out, but who knows who Trump will replace him with. Probably just another oil and coal industry lapdog.

      Andrew Wheeler- You hit the nail on the head. A former coal industry lobbyist.

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    2. Re:An EPA administrator with the shortest tenure by shanen · · Score: 2

      Naw, I think the crazy part is that the EPA was Nixon's idea.

      Even with the perversions, Nixon was an ACTUAL Republican president with some principles that weren't entirely bonkers. I would argue that most of the GOP presidents since then have been posers or fakes. Poppy Bush was the main exception--and he was bounced after one term. #PresidentTweety is just the natural result of FAKE Republican devolution.

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    3. Re:An EPA administrator with the shortest tenure by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's really sad is that something like Watergate would not fell the president today but be used as an excuse to cut into journalist freedoms.

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    4. Re:An EPA administrator with the shortest tenure by shanen · · Score: 2

      I sure hope you're wrong, but I can't point at any concrete evidence. #PresidentTweety certainly claims he's doing just fine and feeling dandy.

      In solution terms, I think we need a seriously new financial model to support REAL journalism. I favor an approach that links to solving the problems that the journalists are telling us about. That financial model should also be linked to EPR (Earned Public Reputation) at the individual level. On the one hand, EPR could tell you a lot about the creator of a video or the author of an article, while on the other hand, EPR could tell you about the person recommending the story.

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  6. Good. But what about the next guy? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Scott Pruitt resigning is a good thing, but is his replacement going to be as bad, or worse? We need an EPA that puts protecting the environment ahead of corporate interests and ignores 'personal loyalty' to Trump, and you can call me 'anti-Trump' (true, but irrelevant for this subject) or 'pro-Hillary' (untrue, and just as irrelevant), but if your kids are getting cancer (or YOU get cancer) or are born with birth defects because there's toxic substances in your drinking water and/or air, I guarantee that you will care, and if your nice coastal home has to be abandoned because sea levels rise permanently and flood you out, you will care. Try thinking in the long term, Conservative types, and not just about punishing so-called 'liberals', or only as far ahead as next quarters' profits.

    1. Re:Good. But what about the next guy? by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to distract from your main point about his successor, which is good, I want to criticize your use of the term "Conservative types" with a capital C.

      Nobody is a more rabid environmentalist than the hunter who wants to protect their land or the fisherman who wants to protect their livelihood. These people are typically conservatives. Conservatives are about preservation and good stewardship. The Republican party does not define what it is to be conservative, and environmentalism is not a liberal or conservative philosophy.

      The Republican party has cognitive dissonance over environmentalism because the party has entrenched big-business interests with very short-term thinking. They have vocally pushed the false story that environmental policy is anti-business.

      Toyota made a fortune off environmentally friendly cars. When George W Bush told America that raising fuel economy would cost "millions" of jobs, Toyota bet on the technology anyway. When gas prices rose Americans bought fuel-efficient cars bolstering Toyota. The American auto makers were either buying engines from Toyota or licensing their patents. Environmental tech paid off.

      When the US government used thermal imaging to inspect for leaks in large ships, big shipping companies objected. But once they realized that cutting down on engine leaks would save them money, they started enforcing the emissions laws themselves because it was profitable.

      Conservatives know that investing in environmental technology is often economically productive. Less fuel consumption means less dependency on foreign resources, less damage to American land and resources, and more technological innovation and leadership.

    2. Re:Good. But what about the next guy? by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but you are kidding yourself. You are in denial.

      Fishermen who want to protect their livelihood? Those same fishermen who trawled fish out of the oceans to the point of collapse?

      It may be a matter of semantics, but today's "Conservatives" are about 2 things: authoritarianism and "I've got mine, fuck you". The conservatives of which you speak don't exist, or, if they exist, they don't call themselves "Conservatives" (big or little C, it doesn't matter).

      Today's conservatives are defined by regressive social policies, and, in many cases, outright racism.

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  7. Good riddance by shadesofgreen · · Score: 2

    Wonder what really was the tipping point..did he hit on Ivanka?

  8. Prediction: by DalM · · Score: 4, Funny

    Melania is going to get the boot as a surprise twist during the fall season premier.

  9. Bummer by erp_consultant · · Score: 2

    I hear that Anthony Weiner is open to exploring new opportunities. Does anyone have Matt Lauer or Harvey Weinstein or Charlie Rose on speed dial? Now that the bar has been set sufficient low I'm sure that any of them would be fine candidates.

  10. Re:Super swamper for sure... by admin7087 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know, maybe you guys should focus on clean, lead-free tap water first.

  11. Re:Super swamper for sure... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The EPA is why every car doesn't smell like that banged up 1980s Chrysler "Antique" you drove behind the other day. It's why LA isn't full of smog. It's part of the same movement that removed lead from gasoline, causing a reduction in brain damage and, according to all available evidence, ultimately causing a massive reduction in crime since the 1980s.

    No, it doesn't need to be curtailed, most of us want clean air and water. You may be the exception, you may even like brain damage, I have no idea, but you're the exception.

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  12. I love the United States. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a U.S. citizen, live in the U.S., and wish the U.S. eventually will have a healthy government again.

  13. Well the problem with getting rid of Sessions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem with replacing Sessions is he's recused. Anyone Trump gets in there besides him won't be, and would end the investigations causing the big Constitutional crisis that could really... be bad for everybody.

    I don't put it past Trump to burn the White House down if he can't have it.

  14. Rich by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Go ahead and find me a poor politician, I'll wait.

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  15. Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by shanen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pruitt had become the poster child for government corruption, but I think Trump actually liked his flamboyance about it. Sort of created cover for Trump's own shenanigans. I am sort of curious which camel broke the straw's back, but mostly I agree with the "good riddance" comments and I'm offended by the holier-than-thou hypocrisy.

    The last of the vestigial TRUE Republicans are dying or retiring. The brand has been hijacked.

    Gee, do you suppose it would deter the hijackers like Scott Pruitt if someone would lock up their kids? You know, the old collective responsibility thing.

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    1. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The last of the vestigial TRUE Republicans are dying or retiring. The brand has been hijacked.

      Agreed. I'm not a kid, far from it, and I clearly remember that while you didn't necessarily agree with what the GOP did, they at least believed in family and had a sense of basic decency. Doesn't seem to the case anymore, now it just seems to be extremists catering to other extremists.

      Gee, do you suppose it would deter the hijackers like Scott Pruitt if someone would lock up their kids? You know, the old collective responsibility thing.

      What I'd actually do is get their wives in front of a camera for an interview and find out what they really think of all this. The crowning achievement here would be to get Melania Trump to disagree with her own husband on all of this, and do it publicly; sadly that won't ever happen, so I'd be happy enough to have Sessions' own wife, or adult daughter, speak out against these 'policies'. But yeah, having someone, say, kidnap Sessions' kids, just to prove a point? That'd be powerful. Not hurt them in any way, of course, and not even demand any ransom; treat them like royalty, keep them for a week or two, then they show up unharmed on the doorstep of th DoJ, with a note from the kidnappers: "How does it feel to not know where your children are, Mister Sessions?"

    2. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by shanen · · Score: 2

      Thanks. I wonder if the parts you quoted were the same parts that drew the ire of the trolls' sock puppets with mod points?

      (One of my theories about the problems with Slashdot is skilled trolls with sock puppets harvesting the mod points I never get. However, at this point I don't think that even Nomad could repair Slashdot.)

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    3. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      I clearly remember that while you didn't necessarily agree with what the GOP did, they at least believed in family and had a sense of basic decency.

      It is a true sign of how far we have come when we get nostalgic about the good ole' days of Dick Nixon.

    4. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      (One of my theories about the problems with Slashdot is skilled trolls with sock puppets harvesting the mod points I never get. However, at this point I don't think that even Nomad could repair Slashdot.)

      You should get more mod points the more you post. But Slashdot's karma system is totally broken, since a single person can have a fit and throw all his mod points into downmodding every post for someone who ticked him off, until that account loses its karma and starts with posts modded at -1 by default. You can't post more/better to try to counteract the 3-5 downmods you'll get per mod period, because accounts with lower karma have strict posting limits.

      I abandoned my 20-year-old account about a year ago and only post anon now because of that. Slashdot's absentee admins don't particularly care that their mod system can be exploited for users to attack each other.

    5. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Far simple, just tackle those corrupt idiots weaknesses. They are psychopaths driven by their ego and lusts, put them under the spot light to deny them their lusts and just insult the crap out of them at every opportunity, they will never feel shame but being publicly ridiculed makes them burn. That and expose everyone of the deceptions, scams and simply keep poking their plots and schemes until they fall apart. Next level shun those than refuse to shun them (they then have to rely on each other, worse than it sounds as they are all disingenuous back stabber all too happy to stab each other in the back to get ahead).

      Without us they fail and with them we fail, interesting that.

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    6. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Funny

      True, the GOP of my youth was one of unfettered freedom of economy, what's left today is unfettered kleptocracy.

      I have a dream that the Ghost of Barry Goldwater comes back and beats the entire Republican Party with the jawbone of an ass.

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    7. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I clearly remember that while you didn't necessarily agree with what the GOP did, they at least believed in family and had a sense of basic decency.

      It is a true sign of how far we have come when we get nostalgic about the good ole' days of Dick Nixon.

      More like Barry Goldwater. Nixon was definitely a crook who deserved more than what he got.

      The problem of casting a wide net is that Nixon did not represent the GOP as a whole. And when the Republicans at the time became convinced of his crimes, they were ready to boot his ass out of office.

      The difference is that today's Republicnas are the very definition of cowardice, and will not stand up to the man who now defines their ideology, so it will be up to the American people to elect politicians who have a backbone.

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    8. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nixon did not represent the GOP as a whole.

      He represented the party as a whole a lot better than Goldwater did. Millions of "Rockefeller Republicans" voted for Johnson, and Goldwater lost in an historic landslide.

      The difference is that today's Republicnas are the very definition of cowardice

      The difference is that Nixon lost the support of the American people, and Republicans were not punished by voters for abandoning him. Trump is very popular with the Republican base, and Republicans that opposed him have been booted by primary voters.

      The problem is not the "courage" of the leaders, it is foolishness of the base.

    9. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Nixon did not represent the GOP as a whole.

      He represented the party as a whole a lot better than Goldwater did. Millions of "Rockefeller Republicans" voted for Johnson, and Goldwater lost in an historic landslide.

      That might be true, but your idea that we are nostalgic for Nixon is simply wrong. The entire body of work of Goldwater shows him to be a defender of individual liberties - which is why many crypto conservatives revile him to this day. He was pro-choice and anti-fundamentalist, he was supportive of gays. He also understood that without compromise, there is no governance.

      His philosophy was more geared toward freedom of the individual, rather than state sponsored intrusion. But on matters of actual conservatism, he was correct. His downfall was his tendency toward snarky one-liners.

      That is something to be nostalgic for, not Nixon's criminal legacy.

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    10. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Please explain what Nixon did wrong.

      He didn't give your parents birth control.

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    11. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by AlwinBarni · · Score: 2

      There are no perfect solutions in imperfect world.

      Despite some limitations slashdot voting system is OK in most of the cases. Even in hotly debated topics I see rarely some revenge or 'troll' marking due to just not being in favor of a certain point of view, though it does happen. It's a forum to discuss and to get an idea of what people think, not an oracle after all.

    12. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The last of the vestigial TRUE Republicans are dying or retiring. The brand has been hijacked.

      They're mirroring the Democrats then, because they've totally exited the building. They've recently moved more far left than the republicans have moved far right.
      Cue the name calling and insults, but here are the simple facts:
      * 25 years ago or less, all the leading democrats declared illegal immigration was bad and needed to stop; you can find the videos of Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama stating this all over the 'net; now many democrats are openly calling for "open borders" and the abolishment of ICE, and those numbers are growing.
      * Democratic leaders were generally against gay marriage until about 8 - 10 years ago (again, videos are out there), now it's simply evil to suggest otherwise.
      * All democrats just 10 years ago would have loudly denounced socialism, and feigned offense at the very accusation; today it's "the new face of the party".
      They've done a 180 on all those counts. Republicans as a whole still pretty much hold the same ideals they did 30 years ago. But to "progressives", those ideals are all "bigoted, privileged, homophobic, sexist, racist, and xenophobic".
      Let's look at what is probably the most telling and meaningful metric of public social attitude: television. Things on television today are far, far, far more risque than they were 20 years ago or more; subjects once taboo are now commonplace, and the language restrictions are all but gone. Society as a whole has moved left. From that perspective, it might seem as the Right is moving more right but in actuality they're pretty much standing still for the most part. After all, it's in the name, conservatism.. meaning resistant to change.

      That all said, I'm fine with Pruitt hitting the road, he was a jackass. Now if we can just get rid of Ajit.

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    13. Re:Hypocrisy, thy name is Boshevik Republican by tbannist · · Score: 2

      They're mirroring the Democrats then, because they've totally exited the building. They've recently moved more far left than the republicans have moved far right.
      Cue the name calling and insults, but here are the simple facts:

      Most likely people call you names because they think your "simple facts" are just partisan lies.

      * 25 years ago or less, all the leading democrats declared illegal immigration was bad and needed to stop; you can find the videos of Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama stating this all over the 'net; now many democrats are openly calling for "open borders" and the abolishment of ICE, and those numbers are growing.

      I think it's telling that you didn't list any names when you claimed "many democrats(sic)" where calling for open borders. When I looked for Democrats who were calling for open borders, do you know what I found? Republicans who say Democrats are calling for open borders. Maybe it's just the skeptic in me talking, but I'm not inclined to take the word of Republican politicians and pundits on what the other party actually wants.

      * Democratic leaders were generally against gay marriage until about 8 - 10 years ago (again, videos are out there), now it's simply evil to suggest otherwise.

      You know, that's not actually a left wing position, there are right wing parties in other countries that realized that treating other people as their equals works better than constantly trying to limit who qualifies as fully human. Also, treating other humans as less than human is pretty much the definition of evil.

      All democrats just 10 years ago would have loudly denounced socialism, and feigned offense at the very accusation; today it's "the new face of the party".

      So given your statement, I understand that you weren't old enough to vote 10 years ago.

      Let's look at what is probably the most telling and meaningful metric of public social attitude: television. Things on television today are far, far, far more risque than they were 20 years ago or more; subjects once taboo are now commonplace, and the language restrictions are all but gone. Society as a whole has moved left. From that perspective, it might seem as the Right is moving more right but in actuality they're pretty much standing still for the most part. After all, it's in the name, conservatism.. meaning resistant to change.

      No, just no. Your opinions are just too ridiculous. In fact, both the Democrats and the Republicans have moved to the right over the last 20 years. You could figure that out if you wanted to by looking at what policy positions they supported, but you'd rather cherry pick a few things that you think support your desired answer like a clueless child would. When you've conducted (or at least read) some longitudinal studies that show whether and if so what shift in the policies supported by each political party has taken place, then you can come back and try to pretend that you're an adult again.

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  16. How is this "News for nerds"? by toonces33 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Too many of the articles seem to be things designed to "engage" people, and aren't terribly informative. And by "engage" I mean get people to start arguing.

  17. Vows of poverty and politicians versus statesmen by shanen · · Score: 2

    You're hitting on a serious problem with America's political system there. If you want competent politicians on both sides, and if you agree that the issues are complicated, then where do you store the losers of the last election? That's on the theory that they were actually competent to run for office in the first place.

    For elections to be meaningful, we need more than one choice, regardless of how long the incumbent has been "studying" the issues. We need some politicians who want to serve the public interests, not just people who are so rich that they don't care about losing and doing nothing until the next election. We especially don't need politicians who are just trying to rig the game to make themselves and their friends richer.

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  18. Re:Evangelicals by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    Well, there seems to be a wide range of views within the Democratic party. Most of the Republicans however have all gotten behind Trump, even many who were initially opposed to him. Bizarre views from some Democrats can usually be seen as outliers, whereas bizarre views by Republicans seem to be increasingly mainstream.

    FYI, I am not registered with either party.

  19. Re:environmentalist vs. conservationist by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    This is only because people have been changing the meanings of those words over time. I think the vast majority of environmentalists are what you call a conservationist, they do not want to get rid of all people. You look at a few outliers and assume this represents the whole.

  20. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

    the Senate will have to write a huge list of exceptions before swearing him in and wipe their dirty assholes on the US Constitution.

    ...sounds like a Tuesday on Capital Hill.

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