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Malls In California Are Sending License Plate Information To ICE (theweek.com)
Presto Vivace shares a report from The Week with the caption, "And they wonder why some of us prefer to shop online." From the report: Surveillance systems at more than 46 malls in California are capturing license plate information that is fed to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Electronic Frontier Foundation reported Tuesday. One company, Irvine Company Retail Properties, operates malls all over the state using a security network called Vigilant Solutions. Vigilant shares data with hundreds of law enforcement agencies, insurance companies, and debt collectors -- including ICE, which signed a contract with the security company earlier this year, reports The Verge. "[Irvine Company] is putting not only immigrants at risk, but invading the privacy of its customers by allowing a third-party to hold onto their data indefinitely," EFF wrote in its report, urging the chain of malls to stop providing information to ICE.
Really? You have a State Issued ID that MUST be affixed to your car, and you are willfully driving it and PARKING IT in public view, on private property. And that is invading privacy?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
I think that's a great idea.
I mean, those damned spacecraft really mess up my Wifi. You'd think an advanced civilization would have things cleaned up a bit.
Thanks for the tip.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Since malls are dying, I guess the problem will eventually solve itself. Thanks Amazon.
Here to the US.
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Does anybody believe only one real estate corporation is giving away or selling this kind of information? I don't have any legal problems, but I resent being spied on.
So thanks for giving me one more good reason not to visit the US. I'll just spend my money right here in Canada, where at least some pathetic vestiges of actual freedom still survive.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Tell that to the Native Americans. I think they would have agreed with you and you wouldn't be here either.
No good deed goes unpunished.
There is no need to display your licence number when on private property, so a dash activated hinged flap could be used to hide plate data. They could snap plate data on the way into the mall, but that could involve placing the camera on someone else's private property - who might decline permission.
That said, I do not mind plate scanners being use to find stolen cars or payment defaulted cars (3 months arrears minimum)
Vikings: a little more than 1,000 years ago.
Native Americans: a little more than 15,000 years ago.
No doubt they Vikings did arrive on these shores; but the continent was already long since populated.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Unless you are a criminal, ICE really doesn't have any standing to hassle you if you have a Green Card. If you are a criminal, then you are by law subject to potential deportation.
Once you have become an actual immigrant, and are no longer "just visiting", then ICE no longer has any jurisdiction over you.
Data collection, aggregation, and distribution has been a thing for a long time now. It really has nothing to do with the tribal partisan hysteria du jour.
It's much like the INS in this regard.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
My wife is an immigrant, is she at risk?
Yes.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
He's a troll. Look at his comment history.
At least he's doing it right.
Technically, any legal infraction is reason enough to allow someone to have their legal status revoked.
This is false. In the US, for one, only Naturlized citizens can see their citizenship revoked. That means if you're born here, you have birthright citizenship and can never be made to be non-citizen. There's 4 specific things that can lead to "Denaturalization" :
- Lying on your citizenship application.
- Refusing to conform to a congressional subpoena
- Joining a subversive group within 5 years of being naturalized (Think ISIS, Al-Qaeda)
- Dishonorable military discharge.
A simply felony or misdemeanor ? Nope. You are either grossly misinformed or fear mongering all over this discussion. Which is it ?
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
Democrats who want to abolish ICE are literally handing Donald Trump his reelection on a silver platter.
Let's not enforce any border laws and let's see how that turns out. Idiots.
I'm not a Trump supporter, and I'm merely a centrist, but I agree that it is a foolish platform to take.
I'm against excessive and invasive persecution and hunting for illegals. I'm not blind to the fact that we need to limit illegal immigration. My main concern is that a lot of anti-immigration is down to bigotry and nationalistic sentiment that can escalate; and has rapidly escalated many many times in many many countries throughout history. It doesn't take long to get into some McCarthyistic witch hunt for immigrants, and start finding reasons to mark legal immigrants as criminals for obscure rules and start deporting them.
It's not ICE that I oppose- ICE Is important. It's the racist sentiment behind a lot of the actions of some of the laws that I oppose. It is the nationalism that could escalate dangerously that I oppose. The more fervent the head-hunting for illegals, the more likely that legal immigrants get caught up in this- either accidentally or deliberately. Already, there are plenty of stories of legal aliens being arrested and detained for months because they're mistaken as illegals.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
This is false. In the US, for one, only Naturlized citizens can see their citizenship revoked.
This is false. In the US, for one, your citizenship can be revoked for treasonous acts, or serving in the armed forces of a foreign nation.
You are either grossly misinformed or fear mongering all over this discussion.
You are grossly misinformed, and there's no alternative.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
And they wonder why some of us prefer to shop online.
What makes you think the Delivery truck or person/drone walking up your driveway isn't equipped with a camera equipped with GPS, and/or footage won't be submitted to license plate recognition software, and shared with any Law Enforcement agency willing to pay for access to the shared database of License Plate/GPS locations?
Shoot... if ICE is willing to pay enough revenue for license plate data, they could probably convince Meter readers working for the Gas and Power companies to don a camera for a little extra $$$ on the side.
Yes, it IS that simple.
It is rarely that simple. Let's follow a simple sequence of events, then you can respond:
1) A Mexican family crosses into the country illegally: husband, wife, and three babies.
2) The husband gets a job (for the sake of argument, let's even stipulate that he gets a job that would have otherwise gone to an American, since it ultimately doesn't matter).
3) Twelve years pass until the family is caught. The three children are fully indoctrinated Americans in every sense of the word, except for legal citizenship. They identify with being American, as that's how they were raised. They are culturally entirely American.
4) The parents have been paying their taxes, abiding by all the same laws American's abide by, and have behaved entirely as any loyal American. But now they face the prospect of deportation back to a land that even the parents find unfamiliar, and that, to the children, is completely foreign.
Forcefully sending that family to Mexico is a cruel punishment, even though the parents violated our immigration laws. The children did nothing wrong, and there is no benefit to separating them from their parents. The parents should be given the naturalization test and allowed to stay, and the children granted retroactive citizenship.
While we can't, and shouldn't, open our borders to unconstrained immigration, neither should we be so rigid as to cut off our noses to spite our faces.
My wife is an immigrant, is she at risk?
[Irvine Company] is putting not only immigrants at risk
No, they're not endangering anybody, which is the implication. They're making it more likely that ILLEGAL immigrants will be caught. There's a choice that they can make, which is not enter the country illegally.
Legal immigrants? Hell, these days even American citizens are at risk, and not just from the government. Besides the 92 year old Mexican man legally in the country to visit his children and had a woman beat him up with a brick, there was a woman recently in Illinois who was accosted for wearing a Puerto Rico shirt and was told to go back to her country. People don't even know (or care) that Puerto Ricans are American citizens. The current administration is trying to foster a climate where if you are Latino you are default not a US citizen. That doesn't end well.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Who the heck is so ignorant that they don't know crossing an international border without permission is illegal?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
However, it's relatively difficult to legally enter the United States compared to other countries. The laws have been increasingly draconian since 9/11
The US has some of the least stringent immigration laws of any country. Canada has more restrictions on who can legally immigrate than the US for cripe's sake.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM