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A Look at Street Network Orientation in Major US Cities (geoffboeing.com)

Geoff Boeing, a postdoc in the Urban Analytics Lab at the University California, Berkeley, has published a blog post that offers a fascinating look at the street orientation of major cities in the USA and around the world. What is interesting in his findings is how cities from different historical periods form different patterns, and also just how uniformly grid-structured most American cities are. From his post: In 1960, Kevin Lynch published The Image of the City, his treatise on the legibility of urban patterns. How coherent is a city's spatial organization? How do these patterns help or hinder urban navigation? I recently wrote about visualizing street orientations with Python and OSMnx. That is, how is a city's street network oriented in terms of the streets' compass bearings? How well does it adhere to a straightforward north-south-east-west layout? I wanted to revisit this by comparing 25 major US cities' orientations.

Each of the cities is represented by a polar histogram (aka rose diagram) depicting how its streets orient. Each bar's direction represents the compass bearings of the streets (in that histogram bin) and its length represents the relative frequency of streets with those bearings. [...] Most cities' polar histograms similarly tend to cluster in at least a rough, approximate way. But then there are Boston and Charlotte. Unlike most American cities that have one or two primary street grids organizing city circulation, their streets are more evenly distributed in every direction.
Boeing published a follow-up to the post to include to compare world cities.

130 comments

  1. Pretty interesting by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is almost like the cities that have a body of water have street orientation that follows the shoreline. Like maybe the shoreline was important and stuff to the city and the city grew from the ports along the shoreline. Interesting stuff.

    1. Re: Pretty interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesnâ(TM)t explain the finding at all or Boston would be the same

    2. Re: Pretty interesting by drewsup · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pretty sure if you fed Boston's street structure to an AI, it would first barf, then start spitting out gibberish and finally turn itself off.

    3. Re: Pretty interesting by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      The same as what? Bostons first streets followed the shorelines and built from there. It likely would show up looking like Baltimore in his graphs. As you go away from the city it gets less structured.

    4. Re: Pretty interesting by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      No, if you look at Bostons street structure you would see why it was built like it was. Hint: the big blue blob in the middle of the city.

    5. Re:Pretty interesting by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Many older cities, especially in Europe, followed a circular diagram, with ray streets outwards and round ones connecting them. At first that would be the result of being squeezed into city walls, then followed expansion outwards, along these streets and filling in the space in between.

      And cities located in hilly/mountainous terrain will have streets following curvature of the hills; the steep streets of San Francisco that completely ignore the slopes and make for such iconic scenes in car chase movies are something rarely seen in the world. Usually, you'll have streets that run along the slope, maintaining level or moderate climb/descent, and connecting/branching where terrain allows.

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    6. Re: Pretty interesting by sfcat · · Score: 1

      The same as what? Bostons first streets followed the shorelines and built from there. It likely would show up looking like Baltimore in his graphs. As you go away from the city it gets less structured.

      Yes, because none of those other cities are on bodies of water. Charlotte is land locked and its the other city that is a mess. You probably didn't see it, but there's another chart of 25 cities from around the world and your correlation between water and organization of the streets just doesn't hold up. Rome it seems is the most chaotic and its not on water. It seems that the age of the city and its willingness to fix infrastructure issues after the fact are the two factors that influence this measure of chaos. In some cases it seems, the city is just very old (Rome). In other cases, it seems the city just is unwilling to fix previous issues with the organisation of its streets and Boston seems to fall into the second category.

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    7. Re:Pretty interesting by sfcat · · Score: 2

      Many older cities, especially in Europe, followed a circular diagram, with ray streets outwards and round ones connecting them. At first that would be the result of being squeezed into city walls, then followed expansion outwards, along these streets and filling in the space in between.

      And cities located in hilly/mountainous terrain will have streets following curvature of the hills; the steep streets of San Francisco that completely ignore the slopes and make for such iconic scenes in car chase movies are something rarely seen in the world. Usually, you'll have streets that run along the slope, maintaining level or moderate climb/descent, and connecting/branching where terrain allows.

      In the bay area, there are many parts where the roads follow the curvature of the hills (Oakland hills, etc). Many times, those parts are just too steep to make a grid a viable solution. The hills in SF just are not that steep by comparison which is why the grid ignores the hills and the sidewalks turn into steps. From being in both parts, I can tell you its far faster to use the grid. Even with all the extra traffic in SF, its still faster to move across the city than the Oakland hills due to the streets being chaotic when a grid isn't used. And that's why grids are used so often, they are just more efficient and when they can be used, they are.

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    8. Re: Pretty interesting by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, if you look at Bostons street structure you would see why it was built like it was. Hint: the big blue blob in the middle of the city.

      That's not a nice thing to call the Kennedy family.

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    9. Re:Pretty interesting by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actully, think of it this way; coastal cities were likely developed earlier, with some notable exceptions on the West Coast, and so while they are constrained by the shoreline, they also were developed before grid layouts were common or imposed by planning, IE NO planning. Boston being an excellent example, Beacon Hill being settled before there was a city there, and the roads more likely being livestock paths before they were even horse paths or wagon trails. Chicago has a grid pattern right up to much of Lake Michigan, though Evanston shows some irregular streets. Los Angeles has a great mix of grid and non-grid, and I wonder if that can be traced to the time of development...

      Phoenix is a grid, probably because it had planning from early on, while San Diego is quite a mess, probably because it lacked planning.

      I'ts not just the coastline, it's also the age when the development occurred. In another area of interest, London is not so populated with skyscrapers as New York, probably because elevators did not exist when London expanded, while New York had elevators, and that enables higher buildings.

      Planning enables streets to be laid out on grid. Coastlines do interfere with that, but coastal cities were settled earlier, before planning was an option.

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    10. Re:Pretty interesting by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      I agree with you on the hilly areas being less likely to have organized grids. Which is why Atlanta's graph makes no sense... Many of the major arterials aren't straight. Also, the downtown area has a huge kink in it that may or may not be reflected in the summary representation.

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    11. Re:Pretty interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and also because people don't like to drive their cars underwater...

    12. Re:Pretty interesting by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      Consider the following:

      Of the cities listed, the most "disorganized" are older, east coast cities. The exception being Atlanta, which was largely burned down and re-built. Midwestern cities have a more regular pattern because they were more planned out, as opposed to organically grown. Exceptions involve unique geographical features that were hard to over-lay a grid on top of.

      Miami is mostly new construction since the 1940s. Manhattan is old, but geographically constrained in a way that made the grid sensible, and if you look to lower Manhattan, there is more fan-out and the look of natural growth. Mid-to-up town is more planned.

      It's like the irregularity of east coast states vs states which were created by the federal government based on planning. Wyoming and Colorado are squares, Virginia not so much.

      I'm not a fancy, big-city civil engineer or urban planner, but it seems to me that this just confirms that "places intentionally built have an intentional outlay"

    13. Re:Pretty interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      With the westward expansion, a uniform land survey system was adopted and all towns were laid out following a standard pattern. This was mirrored in certain parts of Australia.

    14. Re: Pretty interesting by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Land of the lawyers, where everyone gets to have it their way.

    15. Re: Pretty interesting by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Last time I looked, rivers contain water. The Tiber is a river. It flows through Rome. Rome is built around a river.

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    16. Re: Pretty interesting by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Half of present-day downtown Boston is built on landfill. The shoreline of the Charles River is significantly different than it was 250 years ago.

    17. Re: Pretty interesting by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I think Boston still falls into your first category. The layout of Boston's streets was pretty much finished by 1800. After that, downtown Boston expanded via landfill of the Charles River. Urban planning wasn't really widespread by that point, and there hasn't been a major disaster that has required rebuilding the city. Compare the far south end of Manhattan, which was built mostly in the 1700s and early 1800s and is somewhat organized, with the rest of Manhattan, which was built later in the 1800s and is highly organized.

    18. Re:Pretty interesting by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Many older cities, especially in Europe, followed a circular diagram, with ray streets outwards and round ones connecting them.

      That's the style that Boston followed. You can see the pattern if you know to look for it. The main problem was that they quickly ran into water on all sides, so the plan ended up failing pretty miserably.

    19. Re:Pretty interesting by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Many older cities, especially in Europe, followed a circular diagram, with ray streets outwards and round ones connecting them. At first that would be the result of being squeezed into city walls, then followed expansion outwards, along these streets and filling in the space in between.

      It's nowhere near as structured as circles, rays, and hoops. What happened was there was an important location here, and an important location there, and some people decided "hey we should build a road connecting these important locations!" because people were traveling between them all the time. Repeat with enough important locations and you end up with the rays spreading out from the important locations to each other. The rest of the city then fills in around these important locations, with side streets shooting off these rays, approximating hoops but nowhere near as exact nor complete. Eventually one fill-in meets another, with corresponding discordance between street orientation.

      The place names in Boston still reflect this. The "important places" are called squares (Central Square, Haymarket Square, Kenmore Square, Harvard Square, etc). And the crazy street orientation is due to the major streets connecting these squares with each other. Same for Asia - many Asian cities don't even give streets names. They name the important locations, and the street leading to an important location is simply named "road to [important location]."

    20. Re:Pretty interesting by roccomaglio · · Score: 1

      The City of Miami may be close to a perfect grid, but add in Coral Gables and that would all fall apart. Coral Gables would be interesting since the since the streets cross over each other. So in Coral Gables you may pass 27th, 40th, then 37th, in other areas they would be in order. I wonder if that is true of other areas. When you add in the surrounding communities the gridness goes away, since there was no longer central control. Rocco

    21. Re:Pretty interesting by judoguy · · Score: 1

      It is almost like the cities that have a body of water have street orientation that follows the shoreline. Like maybe the shoreline was important and stuff to the city and the city grew from the ports along the shoreline. Interesting stuff.

      Yep, that's exactly right. Their chart of Minneapolis is incorrect for the main urban part that was built around the Mississippi river.

      It's a pretty regular grid EXCEPT for downtown.

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    22. Re:Pretty interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was just the style of city planning that was prevalent at the time. San Francisco has straight roads and the driveways and yards have lots of concrete and little vegetation. The technology didn't allow topping the hills so the tops of hills are parks rather than being developed. A couple decades later flattening the tops of hills became feasible and was done in other cities.

    23. Re:Pretty interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Large-scale grids are a 19th-20th century American phenomenon, following the precedent of New York. Roman cities had tiny grids, just a few blocks long, like Edinburgh's New Town. But in the medieval era grids went completely out of fashion and roads just went anywhere at random. I don't know how or when Atlanta was laid out, but its layout is not that untypical.

    24. Re:Pretty interesting by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I don't know exactly how this guy did his math, but while the arterials in Atlanta waver a bit, they tend to stay within the cones depicted - and the side streets are almost always grid-aligned. The freeways, OTOH, don't.

    25. Re:Pretty interesting by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      And cities located in hilly/mountainous terrain will have streets following curvature of the hills; the steep streets of San Francisco that completely ignore the slopes and make for such iconic scenes in car chase movies are something rarely seen in the world.

      Seattle is just like SF in this regard - downtown roads go straight up and down the side of a steep hill. In Seattle's case, it's due to its history as a logging town... those roads were originally "skid roads", and were used to slide the felled trees down to the harbor.

      It makes for a stress-inducing driving experience, especially if you drive a manual transmission. It's not uncommon to be stuck halfway up a hill because of a red light, and many drivers don't think about allowing any roll-back room at all.

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    26. Re:Pretty interesting by Etcetera · · Score: 1

      Phoenix is a grid, probably because it had planning from early on, while San Diego is quite a mess, probably because it lacked planning.

      There's a little bit of truth to this, but mostly in San Diego it's because of the large number of hills and canyons within the urban area. The original San Diego ("old town") is just as irregular as any other part of the urban bits of Greater San Diego. Alonzo Horton's "New Town" development by the bay -- which is the current Downtown San Diego -- is grid-like, but the urban core only extends about 20-25 blocks outward from the bay.

      After that, despite there still being numbered streets going eastward here and there, San Diego is a curvy, canyon-top mishmash of street layouts, with only a few places in the entire city (and most surrounding cities in the county) where you actually drive straight and true for more than a mile or two at a time.

      See https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7305042,-117.0840683,13z

    27. Re:Pretty interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New York is build on rock, which facilitates scyscrapers. London in build on stiff mud, which is bad for scyscrapers, but good for tunnels. So London has few scyscrapers but the most famous metro in the world.

    28. Re:Pretty interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn on Terrain in that link and it makes sense.

    29. Re:Pretty interesting by DethLok · · Score: 1

      Why would you roll back if you had a manual transmission?
      Just use the handbrake to hold you until the clutch engages and drive forwards, it's a standard part of the driving test where I live.

    30. Re:Pretty interesting by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      You should take climate into account. During snowy winter, it may be much, much faster... in one direction.

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  2. Tacoma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Tacoma has a bizarre direction pattern for its streets. Every location east of A Street is "East", and west of Division is "West". Between these 2 (and including A and Division streets), everything north of 6th Ave is "North" and south of 6th Ave is "South".

    6th Ave itself has no direction name, and oddly, streets increment in both directions. North of 6th Ave is 7th Ave North, while south of 6th Ave is 7th Ave South. There is no 1st Ave through 5th Ave.

    These directional names persist through Pierce County, so the vast majority of roads in the county have "East" appended to them, all the way out to Mt. Rainier (which is also in Pierce County). North of Tacoma's Narrows Bridge lay Gig Harbor (where the blacks live, and msmash doesn't like the blacks) and the Key Peninsula, where streets prepend the direction name with "KP" - i.e. "KPN" for North - to be more clear that they're across Puget Sound from the rest of Pierce County.

    1. Re:Tacoma by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      That is really strange. I wonder if Tacoma is near water or something which changes the alignment in different parts of the city.

    2. Re:Tacoma by bobbied · · Score: 2

      That's nothing.... You should see Dallas..

      We have ONE road that goes, north, south, east and west if you drive all of it in one direction (no U-Turns). It would take you hours. This road passes though nearly a dozen towns, each having their own block numbers. The road is named "Beltline" and it completely circles Dallas. So "101 North Beltline" is the address of multiple places.

      Then, we have roads like I-35 East and I-35 West which are different roads that run north and south or the 190/George Bush Turnpike which runs north-south, then east-west before going north-south again.

      We have some of the most confusing interchanges I've ever seen too, where five major highways converge just south west of down town. And the highest interchange I've seen that has 5 levels of roadways where one of the ramps takes you nearly 20 stories up from the nearly pancake flat ground.

      All this in Texas where it seems the "speed limit" are but friendly suggestions for a minimum, and are set to 70 MPH for most major highways in town and 75 or more outside of population centers. And don't get me started on how we use service roads to put exits AFTER the bridge and merge into traffic BEFORE the bridge.

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    3. Re:Tacoma by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      We have ONE road that goes, north, south, east and west if you drive all of it in one direction (no U-Turns). It would take you hours. This road passes though nearly a dozen towns, each having their own block numbers. The road is named "Beltline" and it completely circles Dallas.

      Sure, and Houston is encircled by a freeway. Ring roads are not uncommon.

      All this in Texas where it seems the "speed limit" are but friendly suggestions for a minimum, and are set to 70 MPH for most major highways in town and 75 or more outside of population centers. And don't get me started on how we use service roads to put exits AFTER the bridge and merge into traffic BEFORE the bridge.

      Ugh, driving in Texas was awful. You want to get me started? Bring up these little shit towns in the middle of bumfuck with hidden speed limit signs. I got dinged by one of those literally on my way into Texas, and I was in a loaner vehicle from a mechanic (my van crapped out on the way in) so I was being careful not to speed, too.

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    4. Re:Tacoma by PPH · · Score: 1

      I wonder if Tacoma is near water

      It is. So is Seattle. The core downtown area is made up of three grid systems, each oriented to face Elliot Bay and each with its own orientation. But this effect is swamped by the surrounding neighborhoods built on a N-S, E-W grid system. So the histogram is somewhat misleading.

      Also, we didn't build around the terrain, we removed it

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    5. Re:Tacoma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not really weird we do that in Seattle, there's a North, an unlabeled and a South. There's an East and an unlabeled and a West, it allows you to have a grid of 9 areas that can be identified quickly by just knowing what directions they're in rather than just knowing what quadrant you're looking for.

      Doing anything other than that would be bizarre, perhaps if you've got a small town that might not be an issue, but for a large city being able to quickly know which section of the city two addresses are, even when they're on named streets, is a significant benefit. Using a quadrant system is ultimately less helpful as you've got an entire quarter of the city to search rather than a 9th which is roughly half the area.

    6. Re:Tacoma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gig Harbor is west of Tacoma and very caucasian.
      Roads don't have directions prepended with "KP".

    7. Re:Tacoma by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      North of Tacoma's Narrows Bridge lay Gig Harbor (where the blacks live, and msmash doesn't like the blacks) and the Key Peninsula, where streets prepend the direction name with "KP" - i.e. "KPN" for North - to be more clear that they're across Puget Sound from the rest of Pierce County.

      Uh... I know quite a few people who live in Gig Harbor, and they are all upper-middle-class whites. I realize there are less affluent areas of Gig Harbor, but the black population is almost certainly higher in Tacoma proper, especially in areas like Hilltop and Salishan.

      But with regards to the roads in Tacoma - I agree it's a bizarre layout. They've redone the "theater district" somewhat, but I remember back when the Pantages Theater was still the Rialto (I saw the original Star Wars there on the one-year anniversary of its release) - at the time, it seemed like all the downtown roads were trying to shove people into a couple square blocks in that area.

      I love the Old Town area of Tacoma. Used to go there every year to watch the 4th of July fireworks out over the water.

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  3. You can probably guess Age by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can probably guess the age of those cities by those graphs- at least how long they've been a major population centre. The ones under 250 years of age (most of the American ones) are very N-S E-W. Older ones like Rome show the roads go in every direction.

    Madrid is interesting because it shows N-S E-W but with a big cluster in the middle. I don't know much about Madrid's history- obviously it is an old city, but the chart would suggest a rapid boom in population in the modern age of proper road planning.

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    1. Re:You can probably guess Age by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You can probably guess the age of those cities by those graphs- at least how long they've been a major population centre.

      Seems like you should also take the width of roads into account. The wider, the later, thanks to the car.

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    2. Re:You can probably guess Age by Sique · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Not necessarily. Bejing for instance is pretty old, but very North-South/East-West oriented. The rectangular grid was laid out in the 13th century under the rule of Kublai Khan. With Madrid or London, you have a grid of large streets running North-South and East-West, and then lots of small streets in all directions. Rome has the famous seven hills and the Tiber river, which dominate the grid, and thus the streets go in every direction.

      What you can see is the difference between a town developing out of an agglomeration of houses and settlements, and a planned community. Many U.S. cities fall in the later category, but so do Roman colonias from 2000 years ago, Middle Age towns in Central Europe or large Asian cities. If cities grow, it may even happen that a rectangular grid downtown loses its dominance in the suburbs, as they are former separate towns and villages merged with the larger town, or that vice versa an old core of irregular streets gets surounded by large, planned suburban communities, which cause the North-South/East-West grid to dominate the statistics.

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    3. Re:You can probably guess Age by dj245 · · Score: 1

      You can probably guess the age of those cities by those graphs- at least how long they've been a major population centre.

      Seems like you should also take the width of roads into account. The wider, the later, thanks to the car.

      Generally yes, but some places have very wide boulevards independently or very much predating car development. Washington, DC has a few roads which were probably ridiculously wide when they were laid down, and cars were not even on the horizon. Beijing has some ultra-wide boulevards. Many streets in Pyongyang seemed stupidly wide 10 years ago, but traffic jams are now starting to be more and more common. On the other hand, this may be luck- Burma's highway to Naypyidaw being a great example of how making a wide road can go wrong.

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    4. Re:You can probably guess Age by wired_parrot · · Score: 2

      You can probably guess the age of those cities by those graphs- at least how long they've been a major population centre. The ones under 250 years of age (most of the American ones) are very N-S E-W. Older ones like Rome show the roads go in every direction.

      Actually Roman cities followed a strict grid pattern laid out in a N-S-E-W axis, with the streets of uniform width and the two main N-S and E-W streets (the Cardo Maximus and the Decumanus Maximus intersecting at the heart of the city. Some older Roman-descended European cities still have their main streets running along the Cardo and Decumanus Maximus - in Cologne, Germany, for example, they are the present day and Hohe Strasse and Schildergasse streets.

      The organic growth came later during medieval times. For most European cities, if you were to graph them at the same elapsed time after city foundation as the American cities, I suspect you'd see very similar patterns

    5. Re:You can probably guess Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US there are a lot of cities who's core grids are aligned to the railroads that built them.
      Downtown Fresno, CA is based on the railroad grid.

    6. Re:You can probably guess Age by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The wide boulevards in Paris are supposedly to make it harder for rioters & revolutionaries to barricade them.

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  4. DUH? this is Geography 101 by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recall this being taught in my middle school aerial cartography section of Geography. There's different epochs and influences on city layout. The french and spanish tended to build layouts conformal to landscape features like rivers, foothills, and drainages. The spanish ones always were oriented around a major zocolo plaza with the church at one end. Later American cities were Rectilinear grids. For an extreme case look at Salt Lake city which is paced out by distance from the church at the center.

    But this is all well known, the design of cities and it's traceability to the varied possible influences used to be well taught

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  5. Most US cities are designed by mveloso · · Score: 2

    Most of the US cities were designed by semi-intelligent humans. When you've got a greenfield install, you do it the Right Way.

    Boston's streets were designed by cows, according to local lore. But what's up with Charlotte?

    1. Re:Most US cities are designed by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Charlotte looks like any American city that has unconstrained suburban sprawl. It started out as a grid, and now is just a suburban mess.

    2. Re:Most US cities are designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most of the US cities were designed by semi-intelligent humans.

      Most US cities would have grown out of farming and fishing communities, and things like bodies of water would have shaped them. Those cities weren't "designed", they just sorta "happened".

      When you've got a greenfield install, you do it the Right Way.

      Which is why so many of those "city of the future" type things are bullshit ... sure, if you could build a fresh city from scratch and someone else was going to pay for it, you could do all of these cool things. But you won't have that option, so it'll never happen.

      But what's up with Charlotte?

      According to this,

      The locations of Charlotte's streets were platted by surveyors into four sections, called wards, in 1770. These wards are still part of Charlotte's architectural landscape.

      So, basically it sounds like the core of it was done in the 1770s when the way you built a city would have been entirely focused around horses as transport and other things more relevant to them.

      I don't find it surprising at all that older cities aren't nice and neat, because they were built to serve entirely different needs and situations than we have today.

    3. Re:Most US cities are designed by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Boston's streets were designed by cows, according to local lore.

      Cows tend to walk in a North/South direction most of the time. For some unknown reason they seem to sense the earth's magnetic field and line up accordingly. I saw an article once (it might have been from Slashdot even) linking to satellite photos of cows- people noticed they almost faced North or South... EXCEPT when they were under powerlines... when under powerlines cows would face random directions. Cows might actually be useful in designing a North/South road system.

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    4. Re:Most US cities are designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The core of Charlotte is a grid layout, but the metropolitan area is broadly defined and includes a lot of small towns the city took over as it grew outward. If you made a representation of Uptown Charlotte, it would look a bit more like the one for Manhattan, just like if you did one for the greater NYC metro region it would look a bit more like the one for Charlotte.

    5. Re:Most US cities are designed by Hasaf · · Score: 2

      Here you go, from Scientific American
      https://www.scientificamerican...

      The short summary states "Google Earth images reveal that cattle around the world tend to align themselves with Earth's magnetic field. "

    6. Re:Most US cities are designed by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Which is why so many of those "city of the future" type things are bullshit ... sure, if you could build a fresh city from scratch and someone else was going to pay for it, you could do all of these cool things. But you won't have that option, so it'll never happen.

      California City, CA has the street layout down cold. Unfortunately, that's about all they've got. There is a little town there, but most of the roads they laid out aren't paved. (As long as nobody is driving on them this is a reasonable solution; paved roads aren't any more expensive to maintain, but you do have to pay for actually building them.)

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    7. Re:Most US cities are designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here you go, from Scientific American https://www.scientificamerican...

      You reference an audio clip? WTF? Here is a real reference: doi: 10.1073/pnas.0803650105

    8. Re:Most US cities are designed by careysub · · Score: 1

      This is a neat presentation of data.

      With most cities you can read off features of their history and topography from the histogram.

      Los Angeles you see the small disk of streets that represent hill neighborhoods on top of a simple grid.

      "Ancient" cities (developed gradually over centuries), only found in Colonial America in the U.S., are large disks due to the incorporation of many unplanned, or separately planned, nuclei. Or you see rapid modern growth from an ancient core. Delhi is a good example, and but this same pattern with different scales for the central disk is found with many cities.

      It looks like Charlotte started with a typical colonial city core - multiple city centers that fused together, then the city expanded in the modern era by building highways radiating out from the center, with developments built in grids along these highways, using them as the orientation axis.

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    9. Re:Most US cities are designed by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      But what's up with Charlotte?

      Someone decided that cities shouldn't be ugly arse grids?

    10. Re:Most US cities are designed by Hasaf · · Score: 1

      I know it isn't the primary source. Frankly, the whole thing wasn't getting much effort out of me. I did notice that in the audio clip that did reference the real study. For the level of effort I considered the whole thing worth, that was enough.

    11. Re:Most US cities are designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    12. Re:Most US cities are designed by Hasaf · · Score: 1

      Next thought, it seems that many people want to put "cow polarity" up as an instance of internal navigation. Here comes another theory, they may just be trying to maximize the amount of sun on their body.

      But, as I said, this isn't getting a lot of effort from me.

    13. Re:Most US cities are designed by jordan314 · · Score: 1

      This thread is great, the topography and railroads influencing the grid orientations hadn't occurred to me. I did hear that in Boston, the cow paths became sidewalks and then streets, so Boston was perhaps designed by cows. I think the sun is also a factor. Many streets line up with the summer solstice sunset: https://sztanko.github.io/sols... I was saddened to realize that Los Angeles's downtown never lines up with the solstice, but many others do, like in boyle heights. Last solstice I went out and watched one. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk...

    14. Re:Most US cities are designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a migrant to Charlotte several years ago, I'd buy the "multiple merged cities" theory. Additionally, if you live here you see the bones of the old textiles industry everywhere. Charlotte was a huge producer of clothing up until the 80's I believe, and the city basically structured itself around the factory districts where people worked (with rail webbing the whole thing). And this is right outside the modern Uptown (downtown, don't ask) area. As the factories fell out of use the city grew around them like islands. More recently the factories are being knocked in to build other stuff as gentrification has made that land valuable, but the roads still sort of encircle these factory areas.

      Or, at least, that's my impression from living here.

    15. Re:Most US cities are designed by schematix · · Score: 1

      Charlotte, and really all of NC, is full of some of the most ignorant, head in the sand, proud-to-be-simple-minded people you'll find anywhere. They don't think. They just do what they need to do so they can get to church on Sunday.

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    16. Re:Most US cities are designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that was the case they'd turn broadside on to it. Since the sun is generally in the same direction as the equator, especially around the middle of the day, they'd be mostly facing East or West. Or their alignment would vary during the day.

      There's also the possibility that they're getting too much of it.

      tldr: bullshit.

    17. Re:Most US cities are designed by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      if you could build a fresh city from scratch and someone else was going to pay for it, you could do all of these cool things. But you won't have that option

      Depends on what Fatboy Kim gets up to.

      You could probably buy recently nuked real estate at a hefty markdown ... Hey, I wonder i&^^..;.*
      no carrier

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    18. Re:Most US cities are designed by twosat · · Score: 1

      Boston's streets were designed by cows...

      Reminds me of The Calf Path by Sam Walter Foss

      One day, through the primeval wood,
      A calf walked home, as good calves should;
      But made a trail all bent askew,
      A crooked trail as all calves do.
      Since then two hundred years have fled,
      And, I infer, the calf is dead.
      But still he left behind his trail,
      And thereby hangs my moral tale.
      The trail was taken up next day
      By a lone dog that passed that way;
      And then a wise bell-wether sheep
      Pursued the trail o'er vale and steep,
      And drew the flock behind him, too,
      As good bell-wethers always do.
      And from that day, o'er hill and glade,
      Through those old woods a path was made;
      And many men wound in and out,
      And dodged, and turned, and bent about
      And uttered words of righteous wrath
      Because 'twas such a crooked path.
      But still they followed---do not laugh---
      The first migration of that calf,
      And through this winding wood-way stalked,
      Because he wobbled when he walked.
      This forest path became a lane,
      That bent, and turned, and turned again;
      This crooked lane became a road,
      Where many a poor horse with his load
      Toiled on beneath the burning sun,
      And traveled some three miles in one.
      And thus a century and a half
      They trod the footsteps of that calf.
      The years passed on in swiftness fleet,
      The road became a village street;
      And this, before men were aware,
      A city's crowded thoroughfare;
      And soon the central street was this
      Of a renowned metropolis;
      And men two centuries and a half
      Trod the footsteps of that calf.
      Each day a hundred thousand rout
      Followed the zigzag calf about;
      And o'er his crooked journey went
      The traffic of a continent.
      A hundred thousand men were led
      By one calf near three centuries dead.
      They followed still his crooked his way,
      And lost one hundred years a day;
      For thus such reverence is lent
      To well-established precedent.
      A moral lesson this might teach,
      Were I ordained and called to preach;
      For men are prone to go it blind
      Along the calf-paths of the mind,
      And work away from sun to sun
      To do what other men have done.
      They follow in the beaten track,
      And out and in, and forth and back,
      And still there devious course pursue,
      To keep the path that others do.
      But how the wise old wood-gods laugh,
      Who saw the first primeval calf!
      Ah! many things this tale might teach---
      But I am not ordained to preach.

    19. Re:Most US cities are designed by Doctor+Device · · Score: 1

      But what's up with Charlotte?

      I was wondering about charlotte, too. specifically, how does it have more streets running north than south? I didn't see any mention of taking directionality of traffic into account in the article.

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  6. No, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think they should take is PhD away. This has been a known fact for generations.

  7. Can anyone explain Charlotte by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Can anyone explain Charlotte? It's the only one that looks like an ancient European city on it's graph rather than a city built in the last few centuries. Why are Charlotte's roads going all over the place in every direction. I've been to Charlotte several times and can't think of any geological reason.

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    1. Re:Can anyone explain Charlotte by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Downtown Charlotte has a regular grid pattern. What you call Charlotte today includes the suburban sprawl, and those are built around housing developments and roads are built to connect the suburban developments to the city center. Developers don't care about how the roads are constructed, as long as there is a connection to the development. Poor city planning, but that is typical in the Carolinas.

    2. Re:Can anyone explain Charlotte by tmshort · · Score: 1

      Like Boston, it has areas of small grids that go every which way. There appears to be attempts at circumferential roadways, which would certainly explain it. But unplanned growth seems to be at the heart of it.

    3. Re:Can anyone explain Charlotte by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      High ground that follows the topography.

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    4. Re:Can anyone explain Charlotte by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      High ground that follows the topography.

      Designed by Obi-Wan.

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    5. Re:Can anyone explain Charlotte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can anyone explain Charlotte? It's the only one that looks like an ancient European city on it's graph rather than a city built in the last few centuries. Why are Charlotte's roads going all over the place in every direction. I've been to Charlotte several times and can't think of any geological reason.

      Charlotte is the new city. Most of the development has happened in the last one-hundred years. Around 1900, it only had a few thousand people. Also, unique about it is that there are no old school transportation hubs there. It is not on a river, ocean or lake and therefore has no ports. It is not a railroad hub like Atlanta or Chicago. Cars and highways had more impact on development than other areas.

    6. Re:Can anyone explain Charlotte by Dan+East · · Score: 2

      If by "Downtown Charlotte" you mean a tiny, tiny area of only 12 x 12 city blocks, then you're correct. However suburban sprawl doesn't begin to be a factor when a city is still only 12 x 12 blocks. Something else happened (or more than likely something didn't happen) very early on in the city's development to result in this level of disorganization.

      Look for yourself if you don't believe me. Check out "Morehead St", "Central Ave", "N Graham St", "Rt 49" - these seem to be the seeds of disorganization that led to the helter-skelter arrangement of their streets.

      https://www.google.com/maps/@3...

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  8. Maybe it's just me, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really wouldn't want to live in a city where all the roads are straight and uniform in a grid.

    But then I'm from yurp and used to small cities (but real ones: with actual city rights) full of twisty roads and bridges over canals and such like. And trees. A city is not livable if there aren't any trees. Even if it does mean the city'll have to clean up all the dead leaves come autumn. Trees!

    1. Re:Maybe it's just me, but... by houghi · · Score: 1

      I realy would not mind living in Barcelona.

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    2. Re:Maybe it's just me, but... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I really wouldn't want to live in a city where all the roads are straight and uniform in a grid.

      But then I'm from yurp and used to small cities (but real ones: with actual city rights) full of twisty roads and bridges over canals and such like. And trees. A city is not livable if there aren't any trees. Even if it does mean the city'll have to clean up all the dead leaves come autumn. Trees!

      To be fair, many American cities do have plenty of trees. It varies city-by-city, but a lot American cities do have tree-lined streets and large green-areas. There are some cities that lack them and look grey and boring. I can think of plenty of cities back home in Britain that were industrial dump towns with fewer trees and green spaces.

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    3. Re:Maybe it's just me, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here the city will give you a tree to plant in the parking strip for free. They want trees planted in the parking strips where possible, they want them to not interfere with the power lines and they want to make sure that somebody is checking for underground utilities.

      As a result, the city gives the trees out for free, you just have to notify them and they'll ensure that you do the other things that you really ought to be doing in the first place. Since it's the homeowner that's responsible for repairing the sidewalks anyways, it's really in their best interest not to plant any trees that have root systems that are going to disrupt the sidewalk.

    4. Re:Maybe it's just me, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is "here" in your case?

  9. Learned this in school by houghi · · Score: 2

    I got this in school. And that was so long ago that it was still called New Amsterdam. If you look at e,g. New York and Barcelona, you should compare it to the coastal lines.

    And the fact that old cities are build organicaly (e.g. Rome) and newer cities are planned. e.g. Buenes Aires has "Quadra's" of 100m x 100m. Housenumbers even follow that.

    To me the singel surprising result is London. I would have thought that that would be much mor chaotic, like e.g. Rome. This could be because the river runs West to East and that will determine initial layout of streets.

    I wonder if a honeycomb structure would be more eficient than squares. It would allow traffic to go in 6 directions instead of 4 in a direct line.

    But all the rest is basic knowledge to me, although it looks neat.

    An other question: You if you have the directions, can you determine the rough age of a city? What about having a gif of a city over time? e.g. how it evolves from beginning to now.

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    1. Re:Learned this in school by tmshort · · Score: 1

      After the Fire of 1666, a good chunk of London streets were re-aligned.

    2. Re:Learned this in school by tmshort · · Score: 1

      EDIT: Not quite correct; there were some new streets, but not as many as I had thought...

    3. Re:Learned this in school by Malc · · Score: 1

      Your point would be relevant if the diagram refers to the ancient square mile of the City of London. Or did they measure the 600-700 sq. miles of the modern city?

    4. Re:Learned this in school by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It would allow traffic to go in 6 directions instead of 4 in a direct line.

      Increasing the length of traffic light waiting by 50%?

    5. Re:Learned this in school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      London is chaotic, I thought. It certainly doesn't have a downtown or grid streets.

    6. Re:Learned this in school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or make every intersection a 6-armed roundabout.

      captcha: ignoring

  10. South by Southwest... by cre1mer · · Score: 1

    We have a two-way street in San Jose called Southwest Expressway. That's fine if you're coming off the 280 and heading southwest. If you're traveling in the opposite direction and going northeast towards the 280, how can it still be called Southwest Expressway?

    1. Re:South by Southwest... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you're traveling in the opposite direction and going northeast towards the 280, how can it still be called Southwest Expressway?

      The same way I can drive both North and South on both South and North streets; it's the location relative to the city center. A better question is how you can get anywhere around there during rush hour.

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    2. Re:South by Southwest... by cre1mer · · Score: 1

      A better question is how you can get anywhere around there during rush hour.

      I take public transit. A local bus take me down the street to pick up the express bus, the express bus drops me off in Palo Alto, and a local bus take me down the street to my job. An hour each way. Driving through Palo Alto during rush hour is insane. Since I work in government I.T., I start work at 7:00AM.

    3. Re:South by Southwest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like your ass and your mouth are both full of shit at the same time.

    4. Re:South by Southwest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ZzzZZZzzzZZZZzzz...

      creimer talking about his daily public transit commute again! He must have posted about it at least 50,000 times.

      Just like him, I used to be fascinate by public transit but I was 7 year old.

      What a childish 48 year old retard!

    5. Re:South by Southwest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck are you ever dumber and dumber everyday creimer!

      Hint: watch the Orient Express

      Then, you can make a video explaining to us how "how it can still be called Southwest Expressway"

      You could also make a video about the "Alaska Highway" titled: Why the Alaska Highway isn't called the Yukon Highway? Very promising video indeed...
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  11. Re:DUH? this is Geography 101 by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Funny

    But this is all well known, the design of cities and it's traceability to the varied possible influences used to be well taught

    What this guy did, which is completely revolutionary, is look at how the layouts align to cardinal directions - north, south, east, west. I don't think anyone has done that before. I mean, he used Python!

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  12. Alas, we're moving away from the grid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We're moving away from the grid system in many areas, especially suburbs, since we prioritize for cars, not people. People find a dense, small grid system to be easier to navigate, due to shorter distances between most point. While automobiles find the winding suburban roads, with limited egress, to be easier to navigate, due to less intersections.

    Unfortunately, we haven't really adapted to the latter. Which leads to some problems for human safety as well as a financial can that we're kicking down the road as we build areas that have problems self-funding their own necessary infrastructure. An old style grid, with smaller plots, is pretty productive. Even older, crappier areas tend to be pretty good at raising tax revenue - which is why old, neglected downtowns often bring more in taxes per square foot than new, large shopping developments on the edge of town. In a few decades, as the infrastructure for the new developments need to be replaced, we're going to run into a huge financial problem. Residential areas can run into similar problems - around here, there's stories about one private development's residents discovering that they had a private road, and the cost to replace it. While another area asked for annexation by a nearby town because they couldn't afford to pay for their necessary sewer repairs.

    Unless the cost of infrastructure goes down, we're going to see more and more problems. The best solution would be to set up the tax base now, probably by raising rates, and ensure that these areas are paying into the system enough to maintain and replace their own infrastructure. That way, the free market can decide - we'll still have suburban areas with winding roads, large lots, etc, but we'll probably have less of them as the true cost is passed on to the owners.

    But raising taxes is not popular, and most infrastructure can last for decades before it needs a huge bill to replace. So politicians prefer to kick the can down the road and let the future deal with it.

  13. Las vegas New Mexico by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Las Vegas New Mexico was developed in 3 waves. First the spanish settlements on the farmlands west of the river. (1830s) The streets here have spanish surnames and the blocks are not rectangular or uniform. Then the Railiroad era (1880s) where the highlands to the west of the river were settled. This has very rectangular blocks and all the streets have names like "Washington" or numbered avenues. And finally the freeway and strip mall era of development further to the west has long dead straight boulevards.

    map:
    https://www.google.com/maps/pl...

    History:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Las Vegas was established in 1835 after a group of settlers received a land grant from the Mexican government. The town was laid out in the traditional Spanish Colonial style, with a central plaza surrounded by buildings which could serve as fortifications in case of attack. Las Vegas soon prospered as a stop on the Santa Fe Trail. During the Mexican–American War in 1846, Stephen W. Kearny delivered an address at the Plaza of Las Vegas claiming New Mexico for the United States.

    A railroad was constructed to the town in 1880. To maintain control of development rights, it established a station and related development one mile (1.6 km) east of the Plaza, creating a separate, rival New Town, as occurred elsewhere in the Old West. The same competing development occurred in Albuquerque, for instance. During the railroad era Las Vegas boomed, quickly becoming one of the largest cities in the American Southwest. Turn-of-the-century Las Vegas featured all the modern amenities, including an electric street railway,

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  14. It makes sense by Hasaf · · Score: 1

    Many years ago I worked as a copier repairman in rural Northern California (the part of CA that you don't see in the movies). I had three towns in my territory that were so similar that it was sometimes hard to remember which town I was in. On the positive side, once I learned the grid in one of the towns the knowledge was transferable to all three.

    I had a simple theory that explained the similarity in these towns. The similarity was the founders. While all three were founded by different people, all were founded at nearly the same time and grew at the same time. That meant that the planning was done by people who had similar educations, life experiences, and biases; they were the products of their time. I later confirmed this by visiting the towns museums on my free time.

    The towns were similar because the people who built them were similar.

    1. Re:It makes sense by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That meant that the planning was done by people who had similar educations, life experiences, and biases; they were the products of their time. I later confirmed this by visiting the towns museums on my free time.

      Are you sure there was no coordination between them? There could be a simpler explanation than that they all happened to do the same thing for the same reasons independently.

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  15. Re:DUH? this is Geography 101 by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    Maybe he used AI and Blockchain to keep it secure?

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  16. Longmire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you watch the TV series Longmire, you will see Starbuck frequently driving around Las Vegas New Mexico. It's filmed mostly in the state but fictionally the story is set in Wyoming.

  17. #wediditslashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    we turned slashdot into reddit.

    you should be ashamed of yourselves.

  18. State roads can be interesting, too by Megane · · Score: 1

    Look closely at the county roads in Oklahoma sometime. There is a grid numbering system for those roads, and most of them are aligned with the property block system. I'm sure this is the result of various factors, such as being mostly plains, and being settled in a short time period with a land rush.

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    1. Re:State roads can be interesting, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look closely at the county roads in Oklahoma sometime.

      sorry I'm too busy watching paint dry

  19. Mormon Pioneers by laie_techie · · Score: 1

    I like how the historic sections of historic cities in Utah are laid out. There are 8 city blocks to the mile and the street numbers increment by 100 for each city block. Center Street divides the city in half. North of Center Street are 100 N, 200 N, etc; south of Center Street are 100 S, 200 S, etc. Main Street divides the city in the other direction flanked by 100 E and 100 W.

    Salt Lake County consolidated its street numbers when the cities grew together and emergency services ended up at 200 N 100 W in Salt Lake City instead of 200 N 100 W in Sandy. The central point of Salt Lake County's numbering system is the LDS temple located on Temple Square. Temple Square is flanked by North Temple, South Temple, West Temple, and Main Street. Most of the Valley follows this grid pattern, but things get loose on the foothills and lake shores. It's very easy to find almost any address.

  20. Re:DUH? this is Geography 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's no need to be flippant - it's a neat visualization, that's all. Nothing revolutionary but I found it worth a look.

  21. Of course by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    You're correct. I'm just a bit jaded after experience firsthand what absolute garbage doctoral candidates try to pass off as research. I in college at the leading edge of "look I played around with stuff in SPSS and found something!" getting through as doctoral dissertations. I wasn't in the doctoral program, but knew enough that most of what was getting through was junk.

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  23. Environmental influences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can see very clearly some environmental influences in some city designs.
    Manhattan is very clear since it follows the average orientation of the island it is on. I also love how they orientation leads to that amazing sun view through the streets at the solstice.
    Likewise, Glasgow and London you can see the average orientation of the river flowing through the central city regions.
    In both cases there, you can see the river flow and the perpendicular roads coming off from said average flow.
    Seems this design was decided on very early on as well since you can see it on some pretty major roads.
    In Glasgow, you can see they tried to keep the NS EW design simplicity, but you can see the little bits that jump out on the NWW to NW region and 180 degrees around where the average river flow is and the roads which follow it.
    Then you have Moscow, Paris, and others with a very clearly defined city center with roads all coming out from it in a noisy but still quite circular layout.

    Rome is a bit odd though. The fact it's kept to a reasonably circle-square-like average is quite strange considering its seemingly random layout. Doesn't even seem to show any bias with the river flow. Very strange.
    I have been looking at Charlotte for a few minutes. I still can't figure it out either.

    I'll probably look at some more of these cities to see how they look compared to the graphs.
    Always wanted to see stuff like this as a child and now 31, I finally get to.
    Sadly we never saw much city layout analysis in geography beyond some basics.

  24. Slashdotted! by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    Maybe they should also consider the layout of their digital network, because right now, it ain't making it.

  25. Grid cities by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    Most cities in the new world are laid out in grids. All you need to get around Calgary is a ruler. Montreal is very much a grid, but a tilted one that follows geography. And long, skinny ribbon-farm-like blocks, reflecting its French heritage.

    The town that makes me shake my head is Bellingham, Washington. A new(-ish) city, but since it was assembled by amalgamating three towns with their own street grids, it always give me a headache when I'm there.

    ...laura

  26. Is this adjusted for traffic volume? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like diagonal (state-named) streets should be more prominent in the diagram for DC. They carry a lot of the traffic, much of
    the grid is just residential blocks.

  27. I knew you were going to say Beltline by raymorris · · Score: 1

    As soon as you started talking about a weird road in Dallas, I knew you were going to say Beltline. I thought it was really weird until I thought about the name. Belts go around. It's a loop, which isn't uncommon at all. Beltline is kind of a messed up loop, though.

    The good news is - wherever you are in Dallas, if you're lost you can ask anyone how to get to Beltline. Follow Beltline long enough and you'll eventually get to your neighborhood - no matter where your neighborhood is.

    1. Re:I knew you were going to say Beltline by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      While living there I heard they buried a wagon wheel in the center of Dallas. The spokes became the major roads, and the crossing roads became loops. Probably not true, but makes a good story. In Richardson/Plano the traffic was a mess back then. Don't get me started about Arapaho! This was before George Bush, but they did have the frontage roads built. I stayed off LBJ as well--surface streets, though a mess, where still quicker.

  28. Re:DUH? this is Geography 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the US these trends were heavily influence by sectionalized land surveys beginning in the late 19th century in Ohio.
    Prior to that point, roadways were based on prior existing trails (usually followed contour lines to avoid climbing), and properties were largely defined by meets and bounds methods.

    Sectionalized land was based on magnetic North, and usually had grid sized of about a mile.
    Those one-mile section lines also included right-of-way ownership that was given to the local governments for the building of roads and public utilities.

    For the most part you can look at any cities that were developed before sectionalized land and see the effects of contour line trails, and look at cities (or portions thereof), which were developed after sectionalized land and see the effects of the grid systems.

    fwiw, these land use planners could have save a lot of time and just asked a freaking surveyor.

  29. Railroad by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    The difference is pre-railroad and post-railroad. Pre-railroad cities usually grew from hamlets laid out based on topography and geography, often the nearby river or bay. Post-railroad cities had a plan by the time they grew beyond a single main drag, with roads and blocks laid out on a north/south east/west basis.

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  30. Curved Streets by nuckfuts · · Score: 2

    How are roads that bend represented in the histogram? For example, a road that follows an arc?

  31. Re: Pretty interesting 40 yr old need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had prof in collage teach American history 2 post civil war to now using street maps.
    1) ever wound why cities and towns west of the Mississippi all are grids aligned to major transportation water railroads , thank sears & robuck. The amazon of the day. They sold a city founding map the shoes to place 1st along major transportation and main (aka broadway) is main drag from there. And so on.even parks and municipal buildings.
    2) hub and spoke - ring roads of today. Crowding and rail trolley. Taking the folks to the suburbs.
    3) micro centers were trolleys stopped had bakery butcher and other stores.
    4) âoewoodâ fronts with big glass windows to show the wares. Sears and pig iron. Those are mostly cast iron fronts.
    Now we are just getting to the 1900s...

    Look at a map of the bay area you can still see the rail lines SanPablo ave. Telegraphic ave A few ring roads even show follow grand ave as it makes a loop to end back at 51st and telegraph. Look at the key lines that name over east bay to foot of bay ridge then crossed that bridge to the east bay terminal. They are the Letter lines for the bus system that took them over.

  32. Honeycomb city blocks not a good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I got this in school. And that was so long ago that it was still called New Amsterdam.

    You're not that old.

    I wonder if a honeycomb structure would be more eficient than squares. It would allow traffic to go in 6 directions instead of 4 in a direct line.

    I first thought, six directions? That's gonna cause more traffic accidents. But then I realised that if your city blocks are six-sided, you only have three roads meeting at an intersection, not six. The downside is that now you can never go straight for more than one side of a block. At each intersection you must choose whether to go left or right, since there's no straight ahead any longer.

    So asking for directions is going to get really confusing really quickly. Can you think of an efficient and easily explained way of dealing with that problem? (Other than "let the mighty google talk you through it" or similar, of course.)

    1. Re:Honeycomb city blocks not a good idea by houghi · · Score: 1

      The downside is that now you can never go straight for more than one side of a block.

      Why is that a downside in a city for traffic. You could easily make it all one way. At each section you go either left or right. The corners you take are less sharp than a left or right turn on a grid. So the speed can be higher.

      Now I am making this up as I go along, so I have no idea how to even test this. You would have 4 theoretical cities.
      Two grid based cities. One with all one way and one with all two way.
      Two honeycomb based. One with one way and one with two way.
      Then have traffic go from random A to random B.

      Unforntunately I do not seem to get Cities Skylines running on my Debian, so that is not an option for a simple test to see what would happen in a 100.000 pax city.

      I do realize that this will never be done and it is a pure theoretical question. (And who asks for directions anyway. I KNOW where I need to go and no, I am not lost. I just wanted to take a 7 hour detour.)

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  33. LOL @ Atlanta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THIS is how Atlanta is ACTUALLY laid out:

    https://www.zimbokitchen.com/w...

  34. Not far from the truth, for freeways by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Not too far from the truth, for the freeways. Spokes to drive into town in the morning and drive out toward the suburbs after work. Then three concentric rings to get from the spoke to your neighborhood.

    If your able to select your spoke such that when you get to the ring you're on the opposite side of the road from the majority of traffic, it works pretty well.

  35. Re:DUH? this is Geography 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your cheekiness may be more appropriate than you think. Almost exactly the same visualization appeared in a different blog post four years ago.

  36. N-S, E-W by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Can't stand east-west aligned roads. I wonder how many studies have shown east-west aligned roads contribute to peak hour traffic congestion and accidents from the sun blinding drivers?

    1. Re:N-S, E-W by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      e.g.: Correlating Sun glare and Traffic Accidents, https://www.westernite.org/ann...

  37. the wheels on the bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Traffic lights? Oh no no no. Houghi is one of them hoopleheads with the wooden shoes. It'll be a hex grid with roundabouts and prioritized bike/bus lanes.

  38. Asymmetrical streets! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most interesting thing to me is how Charlotte NC has a large block of North-only streets. I'd guess the volume of south-ish facing streets would have to equal that extra bulk sticking up north-only.

    But as others: how did that develop??

    Glasgow has a similar measurement, while Hong Kong and Dubai have smaller non-mirrored north-facing spikes.

    Interesting...

    captcha: tortured

  39. St Louis: City, City+County, Metro? by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    Looks like St. Louis was done for just the City of St. Louis. The riverfront and downtown are NS-EW, but there are neighborhoods that are maybe 15 or 30 degrees off that.

    And the suburbs -- especially towns that were settled not long after the founding of St. Louis -- have their own layouts.

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