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Jeff Bezos Becomes the Richest Man In Modern History, Topping $150 Billion (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Jeff Bezos is the richest person in modern history. The Amazon founder's net worth broke $150 billion in New York on Monday morning, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. That's about $55 billion more than Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, the world's second-richest person. Bezos, 54, has now topped Gates in inflation-adjusted terms. The $100 billion mark that Gates hit briefly in 1999 at the height of the dot-com boom would be worth about $149 billion in today's dollars. That makes the Amazon chief executive officer richer than anyone else on earth since at least 1982, when Forbes published its inaugural wealth ranking. Bezos crossed the threshold just as Amazon prepares to kick off its 36-hour summer sales event, Prime Day. The company's share price was $1,825.73 at 11:10 a.m. in New York, extending its 2018 gain to 56 percent and giving Bezos a $150.8 billion fortune. A little more than a week ago, Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg overtook Warren Buffett to become the world's third-richest person.

228 comments

  1. Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When is enough money enough money? I ponder...

    1. Re:Too much? by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When is enough money enough money? I ponder...

      If you're pondering this, you're wasting your time. The disease of Obscene Greed has proven to be limitless, and we'll soon be counting the world's trillionaires.

    2. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When he decides to stop working for it.

    3. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yea! How dare he take part in voluntary transactions for goods and services he provided! He made too many voluntary transactions because he made too much money! Unfettered greed! Communism! Means of production! REEEEEEEE

    4. Re:Too much? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's right. he should give all his money to every man, woman, and child in the US. Cut us a one time check for $460, and it will surely change our lives.

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    5. Re:Too much? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Don't conflate market inefficiencies with anything good.

    6. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Still not as rich as Andrew Carnagie who was worth about 340 billion in modern dollars. He donated almost all of it for the improvement of man and world peace.

    7. Re:Too much? by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      According to Steve Wozniak at Silicon Valley Comic Con 2017, you have enough money when money itself becomes meaningless.

    8. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same as they say - a fool and his money are soon parted.

    9. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's right. he should give all his money to every man, woman, and child in the US. Cut us a one time check for $460, and it will surely change our lives.

      Actually for quite a few people, it would.

      That's a few months of food for a family. That's a couple of months student loan payments. It's a medical bill or a co-pay. It's a dentist visit.

      It's money to escape from one's dreary meaningless job and life of toil.

      How many jets, yachts, houses, or real estate does he really need?

      We need to understand something, gains from capital do NOT require "hard work". Capital breeds like cockroaches. This delusional myth that "if you work hard then you will be successful" is nonsense. "get an education and work hard" is another bullshit myth.

      Bezos can sit back, be a drunk and he'll get richer faster than anyone who "works hard".

    10. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you having a stroke?

    11. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many jets, yachts, houses, or real estate does he really need?

      As many as he decides he needs.

    12. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you think this is cash in his pocket from Amazon profits? If he took all the profit that Amazon has ever made and none of the losses he still wouldn't have anywhere near $150B in net worth. Amazon's profit margins in any given year (when there are profits) are rarely higher than 3%. His wealth is primarily the value of his stock which is also his ownership stake in the company. Is it greedy for him to want to keep control of his own company?

    13. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Bezos can sit back, be a drunk and he'll get richer faster than *everyone* who "works hard".

      FTFY.

    14. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most major towns and cities in Britain and America have a carnagie library 100 years after he gave his initial endowment. He also made a point of only donating to causes that could afford the upkeep costs of his initial investment. A fool indeed.

    15. Re:Too much? by lgw · · Score: 5, Informative

      The disease of Obscene Greed has proven to be limitless

      According to the required federal reporting on CEo compensation, Bezos was paid $80k in 2017 (previously he had been making the Amazon salary cap of $176k). He refused the boards offer of additional stock. I'm pretty sure that's not what limitless greed looks like.

      His wealth is all from stock he got when Amazon went public, that he's still holding on to. Seems reasonable to me that someone who starts a company in his garage and eventually takes it public gets some chunk of stock when that happens. Is he somehow evil because the company was quite successful in the years that followed?

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    16. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's his personality and behavior towards people working for him that make him evil.

    17. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The disease of Obscene Greed has proven to be limitless, and we'll soon be counting the world's trillionaires.

      The disease of Obscene Envy is equally boundless it seems.

    18. Re:Too much? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. Not because of the stock, because he built Amazon by abusing his employees with shit conditions and wages.

      And if you thought the Microsoft tax was bad, check out the Amazon marketplace tax.

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    19. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is he somehow evil because the company was quite successful in the years that followed?

      Is it evil to take more than you need?

      If you were on a boat with a feast sufficient for all which you have earned, and there were starving masses below deck without the opportunities you had, are you evil for not sharing?

      We are all on that boat together. The blue marble.

      captcha: inequity

    20. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Soros's estimated net worth is $8 billion.

    21. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if by "successful" you mean.... abusing the fuck out of sales tax laws and lack of enforcement, selling stuff at a loss (which is illegal in at least two states plus other smaller jurisdictions) to put others out of business (both brick-and-mortar and online), exaggerating list prices to make a selling price look like a 'deal' (also illegal in many places), abusing employees and contracted workers and h1b rules, conning local governments in to ridiculous tax breaks and credits for the 'privilege' of having a warehouse or office there....... yea, he has been quite 'successful'. bezos is a dick. plain and simple.

    22. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did I fucking say that he should? Jesus Christ. Get off of his dick. I simply asked a question.

      I don't care if it was mother Theresa who was the richest; I'd still pose the question.

      You musk fanboys are lunatics. Jesus Christ stop white knighting for a fucking billionaire. You are pathetic.

    23. Re: Too much? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Salary cap of $176k? Yeah fuck that place.

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    24. Re:Too much? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      He doesn't actually have that money. His stock is WORTH that much, if you valued it at today's price. If he started to sell any appreciable amount of his stock, the price would plummet. It's an "on paper" value only.

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    25. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet their employees consistently rate it as one of the best places to work on Earth...

      Keep reading the Vice propaganda though, you fucking rapist.

    26. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pitchforks lets steal the rich fuckers money!

    27. Re:Too much? by geekmux · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...Seems reasonable to me that someone who starts a company in his garage and eventually takes it public gets some chunk of stock when that happens. Is he somehow evil because the company was quite successful in the years that followed?

      I never said he was evil. I haven't worked for him. I merely said he is afflicted with the same disease that many others are afflicted with. Could he find someone qualified to run his business? Certainly. Will he? No, because he's also a Control freak. Even with thousands of employees, he doesn't trust any of them at the helm.

      Most people define success as growing a business large enough to the point where they can just enjoy life while work is delegated, not become imprisoned by their own creation. That's just sad, and is exactly what I'm talking about when I define Greed as a disease.

    28. Re:Too much? by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The disease of Obscene Greed has proven to be limitless, and we'll soon be counting the world's trillionaires.

      The disease of Obscene Envy is equally boundless it seems.

      Being a control freak imprisoned by your own creation, unable to go out in public without armed escort and incapable of retiring to enjoy life? Hated by thousands, including your own abused employees? Known for getting rich by undercutting every middle man and wiping out hundreds of competing businesses?

      Yeah, fuck that. I'll take my average life (and Freedoms) any day. No envy here.

    29. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Did he personally provide all those goods and services? Or was it some underpaid staff that did the actual work while he scooped the monetary cream off the top simply because he "owns" the company? Capitalism = parasitism.

    30. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replace Soros with Rothschilds. That should bump up His 8 B by 3 zeroes, or more.

    31. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > When is enough money enough money?

      When you have enough money you donate everything else you get. What's your number, anon? What are your wildest dreams that, once achieved, you'd give potentially endless billions to people in Africa and Asia who you'll never meet and due to their numbers those billions will have virtually no effect on them?

    32. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logical error. "There's a lot of space in the universe, and it keeps expanding. But at what point will it be enough?" "Is" doesn't imply "ought".

    33. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation: This is somehow the Jews' fault. I am very smart and not a white supremacist.

    34. Re:Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When is enough money enough money? I ponder...

      If you're pondering this, you're wasting your time. The disease of Obscene Greed has proven to be limitless, and we'll soon be counting the world's trillionaires.

      The world already has them, but they will never been mentioned by the MSM. The same elites have been in control of the Western wealth and banking for a very long time. They'll lend vast sums to warring nations, particularly those active against the other, ensuring the conflict keeps going which will generate decades of repayments. Know who they are? I'll give you a clue: They were originally from Germany, rebranded themselves with a joke of a translation, and look down upon royal families. They also have real wealth in all countries, and not some floating stock price paper wealth that would crash if the stock holder tried to dump it all.

    35. Re:Too much? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You need to split the contexts. Bezos isn't *financially* imprisoned by his own creation. Does that mean he wouldn't pull all stops to hold onto it, continue running it, and fight off attempts at others controlling it?

      You fail to realise that many people actually really enjoy what they do. Work keeps people busy. You see that often with retirees falling into depression. My neighbour was a postal worker for his life and retired with a nice pension, great success right? He's out of the "prison". ... two weeks later he applied for a job driving an icecream truck because he loved going around the neighbourhood and talking to people. His idea of prison was not having any work to do.

    36. Re:Too much? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Do other founders/CEOs really delegate work and "enjoy life"? Many seem to also be control freaks who enjoy being at the helm of their respective companies

    37. Re:Too much? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Is it evil to take more than you need?

      “Taking" is consumption, not accumulation of paper wealth.

      If he sold his stock and distributed it to the poor, it would mean less investment and more consumption in a country that already consumes way too much and invests way too little.

    38. Re:Too much? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Yea! How dare he take part in voluntary transactions for goods and services he provided! He made too many voluntary transactions because he made too much money! Unfettered greed! Communism! Means of production! REEEEEEEE

      I'm sorry, he provided? His industriousness is certainly unparalleled. What do the other 565,999 employees do around there, anyway?

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    39. Re:Too much? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      We need to put up a "high score" board in DC, it will be pegged to how much you pay in estate taxes, although we could probably do one for income taxes.

    40. Re: Too much? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      The rise of the middle class has spurred more innovation then anything in the past millennium. Carnegie is feted for contributing for that, but he spent most of his career preventing it.

      http://www.historynet.com/andrew-carnegie-robber-baron-turned-robin-hood.htm

    41. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure. He did it all off his own back. Mined the gold, forged the steel, manned the warehouses, fought the wars, policed the streets, grew the corn, fermented the grapes and tarred the roads.

      You forget that without the rest of society his 'wealth' would be worth less than spit. But hey, keep on slugging for the poor, down-trodden rich guys.

    42. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consumption causes the market to respond by offering goods and services to satisfy, which requires investment. That's how markets and capitalism work, and part of the process that led to Bezos' wealth.

    43. Re: Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more than most people make. More than I make.

    44. Re: Too much? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Consumption causes the market to respond by offering goods and services to satisfy, which requires investment.

      Of course, but the consumption is happening in America. The investment is happening in China.

      The average Chinese household saves (invests) far more than the average American household, despite their lower income.

    45. Re:Too much? by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1

      That's right. he should give all his money to every man, woman, and child in the US. Cut us a one time check for $460, and it will surely change our lives.

      Actually for quite a few people, it would.
      That's a few months of food for a family.

      Really? Like what? Cat food?

    46. Re: Too much? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Did I fucking say that he should? Jesus Christ. Get off of his dick. I simply asked a question.

      Ask a stupid question. Get a stupid answer.

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    47. Re:Too much? by lgw · · Score: 1

      If you were on a boat with a feast sufficient for all which you have earned, and there were starving masses below deck without the opportunities you had, are you evil for not sharing?

      Pretty sure Bezos eats less than I do. Having shares of stock lying around deprives no one of any thing.

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    48. Re:Too much? by lgw · · Score: 1

      He's certainly a control freak - apparently the Fire Phone was his pet project, and Amazon made a phone that only he wanted.

      But that has nothing to do with greed. Holding on to some stock you got nearly 20 years ago because you don't feel then need to sell it to buy stuff isn't really greed. Turning down compensation certainly isn't greed.

      Like most people who become successful CEOs, his Conscientiousness personality trait is way the Hell out there in the thin in of the bell curve. Greedy people take the money and run. Workaholics keep working long after it matters. Different thing, there.

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    49. Re: Too much? by soc_cost_priv_gains · · Score: 1

      To be fair credit is hard to come by in China so they don't really have a choice but to save. In America credit card companies keep pushing credit on everyone so why not use the credit you are offered?

  2. If I had that much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd buy everyone on Earth a beer. Well, if they were of age. And not recovering alcoholics. And didn't vote for Trump. Screw it, this is too hard.

    I'd buy a bunch of Senators and institute a one night Purge just like the movie.

    1. Re:If I had that much money by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      I'd "buy" residency in a small island country (say 100,000 people) and use philantropic foundations to make it into a utopia. $1.5 million per person should assure a good level of healthcare, education, and environmental care to all residents for the next 50 years or so. Make it a shining beacon against austerity.

    2. Re:If I had that much money by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      So he'd do something fun with the money, and you'd waste it?

    3. Re:If I had that much money by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wrecking authoritarian conservatism by example would actually be fun...

    4. Re:If I had that much money by supremebob · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if I'd want to buy an island right now. With the rising sea levels, you might not have anything left to pass down to your grandkids 50 years from now.

      Maybe a giant floating city would work better.

    5. Re:If I had that much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      $1.5 million per person should assure a good level of healthcare, education, and environmental care to all residents for the next 50 years or so.

      You would raise the standard of living, up to a point. Then massive inflation would kick in. Real estate values would soar, and people would have trouble getting basic services without spending massive amounts of money. Then people might just revolt!

      This has already happened in small places with a sudden increase in wealth. San Francisco, Oslo, and parts of the Mideast are good examples of this.

      Shangri-law is really a myth, and money isn't real. All there is is peoples work. You'd likely be far better off just doing what places like the Gates foundation does, and use your money to fix under-funded real world problems. Our standard of living massively increased in the developed world with simply clean water.

    6. Re:If I had that much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd buy more servers so people wouldn't utterly lose faith in my server cloud farm service on primeday.

    7. Re:If I had that much money by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Not all islands are flat and/or sandy. I'd be looking for rocky/mountainous geography.

    8. Re:If I had that much money by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Really depends how the money is disbursed... Dumping a lot of money into an economy at once would create this kind of result, but creating some sort of fund that also makes money from investment would work better.

    9. Re:If I had that much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who does all the work in the utopia, like feeding you and clothing you and taking out your garbage?

    10. Re:If I had that much money by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'd consider it fun to watch capitalist theorists go bananas.

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    11. Re:If I had that much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would you invest in? You sure couldn't invest in any local companies, because the entire population would be sitting around eating free food, jacking off to their free healthcare and ditching free school. You'd have to invest in other countries where people were doing real work.

    12. Re:If I had that much money by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And ideally one with a mean-looking face carved into the side of a rocky mountain.

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    13. Re:If I had that much money by olsmeister · · Score: 2

      You saw what happened on Easter Island when they tried this, right?

    14. Re:If I had that much money by swillden · · Score: 1

      Wrecking authoritarian conservatism by example would actually be fun...

      How would that wreck authoritarian conservatism by example?

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    15. Re: If I had that much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its gotta have a volcano!

    16. Re:If I had that much money by deKernel · · Score: 2

      1) You do realize that your magical funding was actually derived from the evil system you are trying to say is somehow awful.

      2) I really wish he would just to prove to fools like you that it would only take a few years before your magical island is a trash-heap.

      The shear lack of understanding of the human condition amazes me sometimes.

    17. Re: If I had that much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But not one with natives that love orange soda.

    18. Re:If I had that much money by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's my money, and I've always been someone to try something instead of relying on people claiming something cannot be done.

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    19. Re:If I had that much money by deKernel · · Score: 1

      Let me introduce you to P.T. Barnum.....I think you two will get along just fine.

    20. Re: If I had that much money by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I would take my 1.5MM and travel the world. Fuck your utopia.

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    21. Re: If I had that much money by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      It is abit more complicated than that. Most do not consider that people are horrible at assessing financials. Morons will work for nothing since they do not properly value their own time and skills.

      In addition, the US has 50MM people on assitance (food, medical, housing) that want only the bare minimum job to keep those benefits. It is a lot of work and mental fortitude required to escape the free benefits atmosphere.

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    22. Re:If I had that much money by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Guam. You want to buy Guam. That sucker floats and you have to worry about it tipping over if you put too many people on it in one place. But it should also be pretty resistant to sea level rise because of the floating nature of Guam...

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    23. Re:If I had that much money by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      How about investing that money in a great, solid, growing business that dominates its market? Something like, say, Amazon?

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    24. Re: If I had that much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start with math class. $150billion = $0.15MM dumbass

    25. Re:If I had that much money by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I'd consider it fun to watch capitalist theorists go bananas.

      Plenty of capitalists have given away their fortunes to philanthropy, and nobody went bananas.

    26. Re: If I had that much money by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Nobody wants to live on free benefits. Without all the hoops to jump through and risks of losing income before getting new income, people would find constructive things to do.

    27. Re:If I had that much money by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nah, not from me giving up 150 billions. But from watching what a society without any kind of financial worries would become. Would they get "creative"? Would they be bored to death? Would they start developing some other way to decide who gets to look down at someone else? Would they build an utopian place without worry or a brave new world, craving soma to fill the void?

      I'd really want to know.

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    28. Re:If I had that much money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The robots of course. Or do what Saudi Arabia does and import foreign workers.

    29. Re: If I had that much money by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      He said 1.5MM per person.......no wonder you don't log in.

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  3. $150 B? by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

    Cue post-outage schadenfreude.

    1. Re:$150 B? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or you could tax his companies.

    2. Re:$150 B? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Tax the rich? What are you, a commie?

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    3. Re: $150 B? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully Bezos is investing in a stockpile of Zyklon-B. Heâ(TM)ll need it.

    4. Re:$150 B? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      His company (Amazon) has historically made little or no money (only in the last quarter did it finally eclipse $1 billion in profit), so there isn't much in the way of profit to tax. Bezos doesn't have $150 billion either. It's what he's theoretically worth based on the present valuation of his company and other assets that he might own. Unless he can find someone (or several someones rather as apparently no one has more money than him) to buy all his shares of stock, he's only theoretically worth $150 billion. In the real world, if he attempted to sell all of his stock, the price would probably decline by a good deal. I don't know what the usual volume is, but I'm guessing Bezos holds more stock than is typically traded so supply will almost assuredly outstrip demand, lowering prices. But until he actually sells any of it, he hasn't made a profit and there's nothing to tax.

      That's not to say that $150 billion is completely useless. Bezos can borrow money against it, so he's effectively got as much credit as he could care to have. Contrary to what most people seem to believe, wealthy people don't sit around on piles of money like dragons guarding a hoard. Almost all of it is invested in some fashion, a lot of it in companies like Amazon. The true key to success in America is that wealth breeds wealth. Socking $50 a week away in an IRA starting at 20 and increasing that as you move up instead of spending it frivolously almost guarantees a cushy retirement. For some reason, a lot of people seem to disregard that as nonsense. Someone once said that mankind's greatest follow was its inability to understand exponential growth. They could well be right.

    5. Re:$150 B? by lgw · · Score: 1

      He sells $1B a year in order to fund his spaceship company. Otherwise, he's pretty much just sitting on the stock he got when Amazon went public.

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    6. Re:$150 B? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Then he pays taxes on that. If his space company pans out, it's probably worth it for him to invest some of that in another company. Amazon's value could still increase, but their growth potential is a lot more limited.

    7. Re:$150 B? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could tax his companies.

      They are taxed. They pay income tax on profits, sales tax on commerce where the law requires, and property tax on the property they own. They also pay payroll tax for all of their employees per state regulations.

      But you can't tax non-cash growth. he's not paid billions of dollars. He's actually paid a meager sum. He just happens to have founded and thus owns a sizable portion of the world's biggest online retailer.

    8. Re: $150 B? by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      He would not pay tax on money used to prop up another business. Jesus.

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    9. Re:$150 B? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      They just paid $287MM in taxes for Q1 2018, and over the last two years paid a little more than $2B in income taxes alone. They also paid about $250MM in State taxes (Washington does not have a business or individual income tax). Or do you mean they should pay a tax on their value, not their income?

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    10. Re: $150 B? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, companies don't pay sales taxes, they collect them and remit them to the government

    11. Re: $150 B? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Fairly sure the US has capital gains tax, so selling shares you acquired for fuck all will result in a nice chunky tax bill.

  4. Telling Seattle to GFY paid off handsomely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With a few more years of stagnant employee wages and no corporate tax we can get him to $200 billion in no time.

    Interesting how when he makes $150 billion, it's because he deserves it. When i make $150,000 it's because IT salaries are too high and we need more visas.

    1. Re: Telling Seattle to GFY paid off handsomely by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Right...and there is no way to escape the taxes that actually impact your life.

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    2. Re:Telling Seattle to GFY paid off handsomely by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      "When i make $150,000 it's because IT salaries are too high and we need more visas."

      I can't tell if you're American or Australian from that comment, but either way, I sympathise.

    3. Re:Telling Seattle to GFY paid off handsomely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're whining about making $150,000?

      Wow! You people really are spoiled brats.

  5. Modern-day robber baron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And at the same time many of his workers make so little money they require foodstamps just to afford to eat.

    1. Re:Modern-day robber baron by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      They should take advantage of Prime Day!

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    2. Re: Modern-day robber baron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s awful. Maybe they should work somewhere else.

  6. $50000 by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought my $50,000 I make working in IT in Silicon Valley was a lot. I can't even imagine $150,000,000,000!

    1. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure what point you're trying to make since I suspect your statement is false or inaccurate. You don't make 50k a year doing IT in SV.

    2. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just keep saving every penny for the next 3 million years and you'll get there!

    3. Re: $50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell us you make more than $50K at an IT job in the valley. If not, then Iâ(TM)ll hire you for $60K.

    4. Re:$50000 by Bryansix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Either you are really good at trolling or you are the most underpaid IT employee in California.

    5. Re:$50000 by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      Creimer may be long gone but his legend continues.

      I'm still here. If I don't post a comment, creimertards will post their own comment thread.

      For those who weren't around, he used to be a regular who'd try to somehow brag about managing to live in an expensive place on a absurdly underpaid salary.

      I'm still living in Silicon Valley and making $55K in government IT.

    6. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or he works for a university... it happens.

    7. Re:$50000 by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      Either you are really good at trolling or you are the most underpaid IT employee in California.

      Depends on how you define IT. If you think IT is ONLY programmers, $50K per year is the low end. If you think IT includes help desk, desktop support, and data center techs, $50K per year is the high end.

    8. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody considers it to only be software development you're just highly underpaid for your position and location

    9. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in Alabama getting paid $70K in government IT. You're getting screwed!!

    10. Re:$50000 by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      he says this every second thread. He's mediocre at trolling at best. And unemployed.

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    11. Re:$50000 by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Whether or not he is underpaid depends on the particulars. He may still be grossly overpaid.

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    12. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably the only way creimer will ever screw, so let him enjoy that.

    13. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's good at extracting mod points from idiots. He's in his 60s.

      He's blown his life savings shorting Tesla.

      That's all we really know about him.

    14. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would a football player called "Heavy Creamer" by all the ladies need surgery?

    15. Re: $50000 by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I would never hire aomeone that dumb.

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    16. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " If you think IT is ONLY programmers"

      No one thinks that. Programming is engineering, IT is janitorial.

    17. Re: $50000 by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Click and drool infrastructure engineers make $85k in Ohio. $50k is the pay level of the entry level infrastructure engineers. They are called "my bitch" by the seniors.

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    18. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your karma took a hit, huh fat man? Only three posts today! Suddenly the ambiance around here has improved.

      The old Anti-Creimer team is reassembling!

      You're the shitmoth and we're the DDT motherfucker!!!

    19. Re: $50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Click and drool infrastructure engineers make $85k in Ohio."

      Creimer's metabolism requires the higher year-round temperature of San Jose. It's like V, only without Jane Badler.

    20. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He weaseled away for a minute when the admins turned on modbomb throttling and it wasted all our mod points. As soon as we realized the throttling was on he took a dive. See dumpty. It's not just one guy even limited to a few downmods a day you get sacked. It could be argued that we're all abiding by the spirit of the moderation system at this point. I can't even mod down all of your attempts to drive traffic to your blog which are perfectly legitimate downmods.

      Oh well I guess it's confirmed you are actually that unpopular. It's not "trolls"

    21. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes creimer. It depends how you define autistic as well.

      I am autistic myself and you are a shame to the rest of us,

    22. Re:$50000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a total disaster in unmanaged autism. Based on what he's said about his siblings turned out and a few moments he's shared about his father I blame his parents. He probably could have been a successful guy under the right circumstances. I don't even think he know's he's autistic. If your school is giving your kid an IEP for being "borderline retarded" aren't you going to object or try and get a real diagnosis from a doctor? His dad seemed more concerned that he grow up and be a "real man".

  7. Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by grungeman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I do not know too much about Jeff Bezos, but this scene from 1999, where he explains why he is driving a Honda Accord despite being a billionaire, may explain why he is not just your average billionaire, but the richest man on earth.

    https://youtu.be/3VUGj34jTqY?t...

    Vote me down, but somehow I think he is a great guy.

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    1. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by grungeman · · Score: 1

      >> Vote me down, but somehow I think he is a great guy.

      Unlike Elon Musk, who can stick his submarine where the sun don't shine.

      Now call me a pedo if you wish.

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    2. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You are kidding right? The guy owns multiple garages of supercars.

    3. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by grungeman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does he? What is known about his today's lifestyle.

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    4. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by DaMattster · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I do not know too much about Jeff Bezos, but this scene from 1999, where he explains why he is driving a Honda Accord despite being a billionaire, may explain why he is not just your average billionaire, but the richest man on earth. https://youtu.be/3VUGj34jTqY?t... Vote me down, but somehow I think he is a great guy.

      A great guy!? He actively undermines unionization efforts of his workforce yet refuses to pay them a liveable wage. Oh he's a real stand-up guy alright. He wouldn't air condition his warehouses for the longest time and workers got sick and a few died. I hope several people vote you down.

    5. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Great, now you've given him an idea about a submarines company.

      Unless that's part of his five-fold plan...
      - Tesla for land.
      - SpaceX for space.
      - Boring for underground.
      - ? for underwater.
      - ? for oceans.

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    6. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Jay Leno?

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    7. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Vote me down, but somehow I think he is a great guy.

      You probably won't believe me when I tell you that I've known Jeff since before Amazon. You're right. He's a great guy. Always has been, and I believe he'll stay that way no matter how rich he gets.

    8. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do not know too much about Jeff Bezos, but this scene from 1999, where he explains why he is driving a Honda Accord...

      (Bezos) "This is a perfectly good car."

      Uh, common sense isn't exclusive to obscenely rich people.

      ...despite being a billionaire, may explain why he is not just your average billionaire, but the richest man on earth.

      He got rich because he had a decent idea and got lucky. Despite intelligence or great ideas, most people don't realize just how much timing and pure luck has to do with great success. Had he tried to launch his company in 2001 after the dot-bomb hit, he may have gone down with many other digital ships.

    9. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No he does not.

    10. Re: Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes he does. There is a fucking YouTube video showing his cars. He also own some multiple jets and many homes all over the world

    11. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      He has more money than he knows what to do with while his staff don't get a living wage. Conditions in Amazon warehouse are Dickensian.

      That's what we know about Jeff Bezos.

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    12. Re: Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      How the fuck would he have the time to dick with a bunch of supercars?

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    13. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      Have you ever worked - or even been in - a warehouse? UPS, Krogers, Walmart, Home Depot - warehouses are not nice places, and since it takes a 3rd grade education to work in a warehouse, you can find plenty of people to work there for low wages. Amazon is really no different than your local grocery store (living on 2-3% profit); they just store and ship electronics for other people, rather than grapes and eggs. Revenue is higher, but the model is the same.

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    14. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon's retail business has never been profitable. The could services provide all the profits.

    15. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by gosand · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. Do you think that Honda Accord keeps him humble? All he said that is that it is a perfectly good car. Maybe he doesn't give two shits about what kind of car he drives. He also said at the end of that clip that he wakes up every morning petrified and afraid [of the enemies of Amazon], and he tells his employees the same thing. To me, that might make sense when you are up-and-coming, but now he's the 800 lb gorilla. I would suspect that he is still that way because he didn't get to where he is by luck.

      I just don't understand why people have an opinion on him at all. Does ANYTHING he does matter to you, REALLY? Even your statement about him not being "just your average billionaire" is quite ridiculous. Why are people so enthralled with those who have money - more money that is feasibly useful? Why do people desire that? Why do you think he's a great guy? I am not saying he's not - I don't know. It doesn't MATTER what you or anyone else thinks of him.

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    16. Re:Is he still driving his Honda Accord? by Trogre · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure they were selling books before they were selling clouds.

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  8. Fuck Bezos, and fuck Amazon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The main reason Bezos is rich is that the masses are both stupid and lazy.

    The Prime scam is showing Amazon's true colors though.

    Personally I hope to read about Bezos contracting some terminal disease that his money cannot fix.

    1. Re:Fuck Bezos, and fuck Amazon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for sharing your opinion. You seem like a real piece of shit.

    2. Re:Fuck Bezos, and fuck Amazon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main reason Bezos is rich is that the masses are both stupid and lazy.

      Have you been in a coma since 2016? Trump already proved that point quite well.

    3. Re:Fuck Bezos, and fuck Amazon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lock him up!

  9. All this money by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And he still pays his warehouse workers a shit wage. He's a fucking asshole.

    1. Re:All this money by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      And he still pays his warehouse workers a shit wage. He's a fucking asshole.

      Do you understand that his wealth and Amazon's cash flow are totally unrelated? I suppose he could give them some stock, but he's not worth $150B because he received large paychecks.

    2. Re:All this money by Rockoon · · Score: 0

      The actual economics will only confuse these nutcase lefties.

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    3. Re: All this money by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Math is hard so the often major in things like history, psychology, or social justice ninja studies.

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    4. Re:All this money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The warehouse workers can leave at anytime. Most states are at will employment.

    5. Re:All this money by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      UPS, Walmart, Krogers, Home Depot - all pay warehouse workers around $12-$18 per hour. Guess what - that's about what that kind of job is worth. If you do a really menial labor job that is not too physically demanding, and requires no real skills, don't expect to make lots of money. You could always learn to say "you want fries with that?" and try to earn an extra buck - but that's about it.

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    6. Re:All this money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you understand that his wealth and Amazon's cash flow are totally unrelated?

      You cannot seriously be asserting that Amazons cash flow has no bearing on Amazon's stock price?

      You do understand that his wealth is based on Amazon's stock price right?

      You do understand that Amazon's cash outgoing are based (in part) on what they pay their workers right?

      You do understand that Bezos as CEO of Amazon & architect of pretty much the entire business structure is responsible for the conditions & pay of his staff right?

      Fuck the apologists on this site depress me.

    7. Re:All this money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, he's an asshole. Surely you will build a trillion dollar company, hire all your corworkers and pay them a couple million a year, exactly the same as yourself.

    8. Re:All this money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The warehouse jobs are extremely demanding. How many other jobs do you have people passing out from exhaustion and wearing diapers to work? Of course it doesn't have to be that demanding, but nearly unreachable metrics demand that it is.

    9. Re:All this money by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what I don't get. When you were literally a serf or indentured or just plain in debt to the employer you had limited options.

      These days if you don't like your job, quit. If you can't find another one, move. If you think business owners are too rich, start your own.

      Stop fucking bitching about pay and do something about it.

    10. Re:All this money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because going hungry is so wonderful

    11. Re:All this money by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      Order pickers in warehouses often walk up to a dozen miles a day on the job.

    12. Re:All this money by soc_cost_priv_gains · · Score: 1

      That is why I have structured my life to spend as little as possible in order to amass a large rainy day fund. I have accumulated about a year's worth of salary so if the job begins to suck I have the luxury of looking for another job while still being able to pay the bills.

  10. The rise of Amazon & the decline of retails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This means more retails shops like Sears/ToysRUs will close down, I am pretty sure this affects retail real estate all over the country. So literally hundred of thousands of people will lose their jobs and there is a cascading effect. Well we techies may not be directly affected but surely this will affect the US economy and even society more and more. I dont think the future bode well.

    1. Re:The rise of Amazon & the decline of retails by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This means more retails shops like Sears/ToysRUs will close down, I am pretty sure this affects retail real estate all over the country. So literally hundred of thousands of people will lose their jobs and there is a cascading effect.

      Amazon accounts for around 5% of retail, smaller than WalMart, They're the big dog in online retail, (when they can keep their site up), but they're far from the reason broken businesses like Sears are failing.

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    2. Re:The rise of Amazon & the decline of retails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sears used to be great, excellent local service, wonderful warranties, but they they went down to Kmart's level and created an online sales stream that is independent from the B&M outlets.

  11. Shocking I know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Billionare pays 0 taxes, employees treated like human cattle one step from being replaced by robots - becomes riches in the world. Details at 11.

    GTFOML. I've never bought anything from Amazon, never will. Futile perhaps but I cannot stand behind companies like them.

  12. Keep complaining by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0

    All I see on here are people whining about how much Bezos is worth, yet as far as I can tell, not a single one of you has stopped using Amazon.

    If you dislike something so much, don't use it. Isn't that the saying?

    Don't like Bezos being so rich, don't use Amazon.

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    1. Re:Keep complaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So - to help with your statement here's my experience....

      I found a book I wrote being sold on Amazon without my permission by my publisher. I threatened my publisher with a lawsuit if they didn't get a book they were selling off Amazon. From what I could tell by the number of people who contacted me after purchasing it compared to the royalties I was getting from the publisher that something fishy was going on at Amazon, or the publisher, or both.

      So I've stopped my stuff being sold on Amazon, and I've also stopped buying stuff from Amazon (since the whole Lieberman vs Wikileaks issue).

      Now, you can say, without a shadow of a doubt that some people have stopped using Amazon...

  13. If I had that much money by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    I'd buy everyone on Earth a beer. Well, if they were of age. And not recovering alcoholics. And didn't vote for Trump. Screw it, this is too hard.

    I'd buy a bunch of Senators and institute a one night Purge just like the movie.

    If I had that money I'd open up 150,000 index funds with $1 million each, and then hold a lottery.

    Lottery winners would be entitled to the annual profit from the index fund, up to a maximum of $50,000. Assuming the market goes up on average, this would be enough to keep the fund going in perpetuity. (Averaged over 20 years, the market is actually a good investment and the funds would accrue value faster than inflation. On average.)

    This would remove 150,000 people from the US workforce, making wages go up for the rest of us.

    Over 20 years, the extra value could be used to fund more lotteries.

    It would also start us on the path to UBI.

  14. Please buy Twitter and kill it! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    We deserve some rest.

    1. Re:Please buy Twitter and kill it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't another Twitter sprung up?

  15. The thing is... by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    The thing is I have no problem with him being this rich. However, I do have a problem with how he is using his money to buy influence. The guy knows a lot about business and tech and almost nothing about pretty much anything else. The problem is he went and bought the Washington Post and has since turned it into one of the most biased and unjournalistic newspapers in existence. People get confused because they know the brand but since 2013, Bezos has run this paper into the ground and used it as the propaganda arm of the DNC.

    1. Re:The thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly not much how much journalistic integrity WaPo has before the purchase but you are right, nowsdays I see it no better than the rest like of MSM like MSBNA/CNN/Fox news.

  16. Numbers don't tell the whole story by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Gates and Buffett have been giving away much of their fortune to charities. Thus, the raw amount may not be a fair comparison, as it "rewards" those who don't give to charities. Granted, Bezos may someday do the same in his elder years, but who knows the competition decades away? It's a silly contest anyhow, like asteroids comparing Jupiter to Saturn.

  17. 0.001% of his wealth... by DrTJ · · Score: 1

    ... would make an average person economically independent.

    However, I doubt that he'd notice it at all. Maybe not even making 100 people rich.

    1. Re:0.001% of his wealth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That correlates roughly to what he gains or loses with every penny change in Amazon stock price.

  18. B.A.D. by rossdee · · Score: 1

    It must be Bash Amazon Day

  19. Stingy? [Re:All this money] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    And he still pays his warehouse workers [very low]

    One can argue that stinginess (frugality) got him where he is today. Perhaps there's a Drake's Equation equivalent for mega-billionaires where the non-frugal are usually weeded out.

    Warren Buffett is often known for frugality/stinginess also. When he purchased a newspaper in a two-paper town, a competitive well-publicized "paper war" gained steam*. After about a decade, the other paper folded, leaving Buffett a monopoly. The main reporters and editors thought they deserved a bonus for winning. But Buffet blew them off, paraphrased as: "The dominant paper in most two-paper towns has been gobbling up #2 systematically for decades. I spotted that pattern and it's why I bought the dominant paper. Death of #2 was inevitable, NOT because of your content."

    While perhaps technically true, it's a slap to the face of the main content creators. In my opinion, such is poor for morale and could hurt profitability. They busted their butts trying to win a well-publicized market battle, finally won, and got NONE of the spoils of war; the General saying victory was "inevitable".

    * The prior owners seemed happy with the status quo of 2/3 of the market; but Warren wanted it all.

    1. Re:Stingy? [Re:All this money] by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      While perhaps technically true, it's a slap to the face of the main content creators. In my opinion, such is poor for morale and could hurt profitability. They busted their butts trying to win a well-publicized market battle, finally won, and got NONE of the spoils of war; the General saying victory was "inevitable".

      Well, they got to keep their jobs. If they were the #2 paper, they'd be walking the unemployment line. So they "win" in a way.

      But yes, you don't get rich by spending your money, so being completely rich and treating people like crap makes perfect sense. It's why class wars are easy cannon fodder for voters.

    2. Re:Stingy? [Re:All this money] by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      And that is why Buffet wins - he knows what his investors (the people who actually created his wealth, via demand for his service and insight) want: profit. They want to give him money and have him turn it into even more money, and let him take a small commission for that action. It's called investing - and he's really good at it. Bezos does the same thing, but with his own company.

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    3. Re:Stingy? [Re:All this money] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      But they felt they worked harder to win, but were not rewarded. It could result in less motivation in the future and lost profits and/or loss of top content creators. Buffett likes hard numbers before he concludes such things, but "soft" issues like this do matter. Just because you are right 80% of the time doesn't mean you are right 100%. Plus, if he tries the same thing at another company, they'll remember the lesson and not work as hard. He planted bad karma.

      IBM tried to put short-term profits above customer satisfaction about a decade ago and screwed themselves because of it. Angry employees can be just as problematic to profits as angry customers.

    4. Re:Stingy? [Re:All this money] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Addendum: they were white-collar employees such that in general they had more alternative choices than Amazon warehouse workers probably do.

    5. Re:Stingy? [Re:All this money] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      As I mentioned and illustrated elsewhere, profits can come from somewhat intangible things also. Focusing on here-and-now numbers is similar to judging coding productivity by lines of code. It is one factor to look at, but not the only.

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  20. Re: The rise of Amazon & the decline of retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah I feel sorry for the hedge fund owned mom and pop retailers like sears and toys r us. You are kidding right

  21. He's likely not even in the top 10... by richrz · · Score: 1

    Because his money is probably mostly on the books.

  22. Richest man in the world by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    worth $150 Billion and he's got employees like this...

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  23. Re: The rise of Amazon & the decline of retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are an idiot if you think it's only hedge-funded owned shops that are affected by amazon.

  24. Head of Rothschild's family? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How much does he have?

  25. Vladimir Putin is considered world's richest man. by ad454 · · Score: 1

    With personal assets estimated to be around 200 billion US Dollars.

    http://fortune.com/2017/07/29/...

    https://www.independent.co.uk/...

  26. You keep using that word... event... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do not think that word means what you think it means. It's not a damned event. Or, if it is to be described as such, every single activity you perform can be described as an event, which means we'll need a new word for events that are actually events.

  27. Quadrillionare Qunitillionare by TiggertheMad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well stated.More over he does not have 150 billon to play with. Being that he wants to maintain (rigid) control over his company, he cannot sell most of his stock without risking losing that power. Further, that valuation is all just paper.Until he liquidates his position, his valuation will go up and down and follow the stock price. If Amazon stock tanks tomorrow, he is going to be quite a bit less rich. Finally, if / when he sells, dumping that much stock will lower the price, so he is going to have to take a long time to sell off, or accept that he isn't going to get 'full value' for his options. He could probably tank the price by himself just by putting all his stock on the market all at once.

    That doesn't mean that he still isn't a rich bitch, though.Given that he has a strong track record in building companies, he could probably get a couple of hundred billion loaned to him by banks with his stock as collateral.If he wanted a 'Trump style' paper empire, he could buy many, many big companies with leveraged collateral, and pay back the interest with profits.He could become the worlds first trillionaire if he stopped fucking around with Amazon, and really pursued the goal.

    Of course, who cares? At a certain point, its just numbers in a computer. He'll still be dead of cancer or a bad ticker in 50 years, and he cannot drink any more beer that you or I can in a single day. I kinda feel bad for him. He cannot go anywhere without an armed security escort. He will always have a huge number of people who dislike him, for no other reason than he has stupid piles of cash. In a way, hes trapped by his own success.

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    1. Re:Quadrillionare Qunitillionare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "he cannot drink any more beer that you or I can in a single day"

      I'm going to have to disagree with that.

      I bumped into Jeff on a night out in Bangkok. The cunt was already wasted. After a discussion of the merits of Prime Day, we started doing Jagermeisters, one after another, after another. The fucker Would. Not. Go. Down.

      I got the barkeep to open up some absinthe, in a desperate bid to slow the guy down, but he was like an elephant. He was downing those flaming shots of absinthe quick as a cheetah on crack.

      He turned around with a big shit-eating grin on his face, and said the words I would never forget :"Your turn, motherfucker"

      I took one shot of absinthe, and projectile vomited all over a nearby ladyboy, who proceeded to kick the shit out of me.

      Although this is only anecdotal evidence, it is my opinion that Jeff Bezos CAN drink more beer than you or I - far more.

    2. Re:Quadrillionare Qunitillionare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although this is only anecdotal evidence, it is my opinion that Jeff Bezos CAN drink more beer than you or I - far more.

      Your story didn't include Bezos drinking any beer.

    3. Re:Quadrillionare Qunitillionare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh, he drank beer. That goes without saying.

      I had to edit the story slightly to make it appealing to Slashdot readers.

      Also, as you can see, a post made in good faith (mine) has been modded back down to zero, so why bother trying harder?

      If Slashdot doesn't like amusing stories, then I won't bother inventing them in future.

    4. Re:Quadrillionare Qunitillionare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeff Bezos spotted.

    5. Re:Quadrillionare Qunitillionare by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      More over he does not have 150 billon to play with. Being that he wants to maintain (rigid) control over his company, he cannot sell most of his stock without risking losing that power. Further, that valuation is all just paper.

      Just as a reminder, even if he liquidates, and literally walks around with billion dollar bills in his pocket, that's all just paper. If it's in some bank account, it's just a number. If he buys a bunch of gold bars that's just some metal.

      These things have value, all of them, from the stock to the cash to the gold, because other people will trade you stuff for them. That's it.

      dumping that much stock will lower the price, so he is going to have to take a long time to sell off, or accept that he isn't going to get 'full value' for his options. He could probably tank the price by himself just by putting all his stock on the market all at once.

      Oh there are ways around that. If it does it all at once, then he's literally sold high BEFORE the resulting crash. But that's a lot of money to move in one swoop, he'd have to line up select buyers who want to run Amazon. So you sell your shares to a company you own, who sells them on the low-down. Do it too fast and yeah, the price will go down. But it's big stock, you can move money and no one will notice.

      I kinda feel bad for him. He cannot go anywhere without an armed security escort

      No, you're still only thinking like a rich person, not an ultra-rich person. He can afford to go places he doesn't NEED an armed security escort. Like, he can buy out the whole island and/or the entire staff doubles as security and/or he goes where he wants and lets the security firm deal with coverage and covert agents. If you're rich enough, even rich people problems go away.

  28. Re:Vladimir Putin is considered world's richest ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Came here to post just that. When you get to levels like this, wealth is hard to judge. Few are as transparent as the dot com billionaires. There are likely several dictators in the world who can control more funds for personal use than Bezos can.

  29. Re:Vladimir Putin is considered world's richest ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Putin's true wealth is mostly hidden (it's as you say an estimate). Until his net worth can actually be quantified, it's entirely speculative, where as Bezos is not. Which is why he's considered the world's richest man, because there's actual data pointing to it.

  30. Hyperexploitative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just further evidence of how hyperexploitative the big IT corporations have become. How much do their warehouse workers get paid? How stable, safe, and secure are their working conditions? That's how Bezos makes his money: Out of his workers' misery.

  31. Re:Vladimir Putin is considered world's richest ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dough seed on ya.

  32. Re:Vladimir Putin is considered world's richest ma by RhettLivingston · · Score: 0

    Let's say Bezos decided he'd like to have $100 billion of cash in his bank account tomorrow - or even this year. So, he tries to sell his stock. It is unlikely that he could manage it even if he sold everything because Amazon stock would plummet. Perhaps he could get a significant fraction if he could quietly make some major deals for other stock and then convert that to cash.

    Stock is entirely speculative. Much like the banks in the late 1920s and early 30s there is very little real value there. The illusion only works as long as there is no rush on the money.

    I'd be willing to bet that Putin could get much more real value from his power than Bezos.

  33. Sam Walton was worth more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sam Walton was worth $100 billion when he died in 1992. That would be more than $174 billion in today's dollars

    https://www.investopedia.com/university/sam-walton-biography/sam-walton-net-worth.asp

  34. CEOs avoid pay in cash to skip out on taxes by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Informative

    At Jeff's level the scam is very simple. He's allowed to borrow money from banks at negative interest rates (well, below the rate he could just loan it back out for anyway). This is how the top 1% avoid paying taxes. They've taken control of the banking system and use it to hide the enormous amounts of wealthy they've claimed on the backs of you and me.

    Jeff built his fortune on the backs of guys like this. Amazon's enormous worth is predicated on the assumption by the investors that he's going to do what he did to that guy to everybody while jacking up the prices once he runs everybody out of business. If we're going to do something about a future where we all work until we have a stroke now's the time.

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    1. Re:CEOs avoid pay in cash to skip out on taxes by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      once he runs everybody out of business.

      Walmart has three times the revenue and twice the profit, so good luck with that.

    2. Re:CEOs avoid pay in cash to skip out on taxes by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      True, I'd love to see his tax returns.

  35. If the valuation's just paper by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Insightful

    how does he afford these? Hud housing? I make $80k/yr and I'm stuck in an apartment until my kid graduates from college.

    It's not just numbers in a computer. Money is _power_. He's literally got the power to reshape society and bend it to his whims. People with that kind of money use it to make other people do what they're told. And if you don't fall in line they buy off a group of thugs to make sure you do, or else.

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    1. Re:If the valuation's just paper by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      how does he afford these [google.com]? Hud housing? I make $80k/yr and I'm stuck in an apartment until my kid graduates from college.

      You're either intentionally or unintentionally misreading the GP's post. The GP never said Bezos was poor, just that he doesn't have $150bn to play with unless he gives up his life's work, and that is wealth is tied to the company which he built.

      People with that kind of money use it to make other people do what they're told. And if you don't fall in line they buy off a group of thugs to make sure you do, or else.

      No. People with any kind of power use it to make other people do what they are told. I use that power at work. Some 15 year old in a decrepet neighbourhood who happens to own a gun uses that power too. Being rich doesn't make people malevolent. Being told by someone to fall in line or else doesn't make them a bad person either. You're ignoring a metric fuckton of context.

    2. Re: If the valuation's just paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have just explained the *point* of capitalism. The idea is that people who are good at accumulating wealth are good at allocating it, and so should have the power to do so.

      If you disagree with that premise then you really have to discard the rest of capitalism.

    3. Re: If the valuation's just paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being good at the former doesn't mean you know how to do the latter effectively, equitably, or want to allocate it at all.

  36. He's not that rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    150 billion is not that much.

    I calculated that if he lives for another 50 years and spends $100 every second then he will have run out of money.

  37. So who was the richest in ancient history? by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    who?

    1. Re:So who was the richest in ancient history? by gazelam · · Score: 1

      There seems to be no shortage of uncertainty on that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Personally, I'm going with Augustus Caesar - owning Egypt would be cool.

  38. it comes down to thirds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1/3 abusing workforce with low wages
    1/3 abusing tax loopholes
    1/3 abusing sellers with ia

  39. According to various estimates Mr. Putin's worth is over USD 200 billion, so that makes him the richest person on Earth. Unlike Mr. Bezos however Putin has made his money by stealing it from Russians and as a result he's made the country poor, backward and uncompetitive but he couldn't care less.

  40. Half way there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bezos 2018: 1.5 x 10^11
    US GDP 2017 : 1.9 x 10^13
    Ratio: 0.8% GDP

    Rockefellar 1937: 1.4 x 10^9
    US GDP 1937: 9.2 x 10^10
    Ratio: 1.5% GDP

    You are half way there Jeff.

  41. Aw, poor little Juden shekelboy, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Don't worry - the "Golden Calf" of your shekels dries up! I give folks what they want vs. your machinations, lol & THUS I always will win... & you KNOW it.

    * Heck - you're PROVING IT via your EASILY NULLIFIED "Bitch Tactics 'efforts'" which I easily prove are you in seconds by posting your PUNY threats... lmao!

    (You really ARE too STUPID to live... time to FIRE UP THE OVENS again & Zyklon B showers).

    Ever see Dr, Strange? Keep it up, that's EXACTLY what I want "JudenMammu" - you're MY prisoner.

    LASTLY Don't speak for "Everyone" JUDE - you're the HATED minority ALL THRU HISTORY only fooling YOURSELVES, lol - self deluded morons & thieves.

    APK

    P.S.=> Dance little Jude, dance - to MY TUNE as I see you lose all that STOLEN GOLD/SHEKELS, lol - slowly (oh, SO slowly, painfully, as your kind fell into your OWN trap of debt, lol)... apk

  42. Re:Vladimir Putin is considered world's richest ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's say Bezos decided he'd like to have $100 billion of cash in his bank account tomorrow - or even this year. So, he tries to sell his stock. It is unlikely that he could manage it even if he sold everything because Amazon stock would plummet. Perhaps he could get a significant fraction if he could quietly make some major deals for other stock and then convert that to cash.

    Stock is entirely speculative. Much like the banks in the late 1920s and early 30s there is very little real value there. The illusion only works as long as there is no rush on the money.

    I'd be willing to bet that Putin could get much more real value from his power than Bezos.

    Let's say Bezos decided he'd like to have $100 billion of cash in his bank account tomorrow - or even this year.

    Yup, let's explore this scenario.

    So, he tries to sell his stock.

    LOL! No, it makes no sense to do that, but interesting that you thought selling stock is the only option on the table.

    In such cases the stock owner would take a loan from the bank, with stock as collateral.

    Basically you have no idea what are you talking about, but you still think expressing your blatantly misinformed views in a public forum is the way to go.

  43. I'm doing nothing of the sort by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    It was the GP that made the point that Bezos only makes $80k a year. I submit to you that the GP is the one pushing a narrative that Bezos is a humble working man who leaves the bulk of his fortune to the people. My point is that is a false narrative meant to distract from the enormous money grab him and others like him are doing.

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    1. Re:I'm doing nothing of the sort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And being the hypocrite you are. If you had the chance you know full well you would be 10x as ruthless and 10x as discriminatory.

    2. Re:I'm doing nothing of the sort by lgw · · Score: 1

      Do you even understand the distinction between income and wealth? Amazon pay Bezos a token salary. He has vast wealth. But for "limitless greed", there is no "enough", otherwise you have limited greed. The fact that Bezos chooses not to get paid much by Amazon is solid proof that his greed is not, in fact, limitless. QED.

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    3. Re:I'm doing nothing of the sort by soc_cost_priv_gains · · Score: 1

      Was not Steve Jobs salary 1$ a year? No one has ever said he was poor.

    4. Re:I'm doing nothing of the sort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For instance, the idea of murderer's limitless thirst for blood is completely undercut by the fact that he elects to not swat a mosquito that is biting him.

  44. You're an even bigger cunt than he is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's proud of the CULTURE of his company that promotes massive abuse of power and the death of its workers through unrealistic targets. And here you are sucking his cock.

    Fuck you. You're a pleb and always will be.
    Cocksucking pleb.

  45. Re:Vladimir Putin is considered world's richest ma by Cederic · · Score: 1

    How the fuck is he going to pay interest on a $100 billion loan without selling some stock?

    Unless you intend him to pay interest on the loan using the loan itself?

    Nope, I have no idea what you're talking about but you still think expressing your strange views in a public forum is the way to go.

  46. Re:Vladimir Putin is considered world's richest ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personal loans don't work out nearly that well because the banks do know the true value of stock.

    For example, Musk has had to put nearly 14 million shares of Tesla up as collateral for less than $700 million of loans. That's in the ballpark of $50 / share and less than 20% of their alleged value. That ratio would place Bezos' borrowing potential in the sub $30 billion range.

  47. Difference between median and mean by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Painfully, American families are learning the difference between median and mean
    http://qz.com/260269/painfully-american-families-are-learning-the-difference-between-median-and-mean/

  48. "modern history" is = 1982 ? by fygment · · Score: 1

    Between the definition of 'modern history' and the accuracy of the measure of wealth of any person what is the point of this story?

    "In the news: someone is much richer than you. and to make the story more interesting we will choose some random dates and use a guess about how much they are worth. More at eleven."

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