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Video Raises Concerns About Excessive Thermal Throttling On 2018 MacBook Pro With Intel Core i9 (macrumors.com)
Last week, Apple announced new MacBook Pros, including a 15-inch model that supports Intel's 6-core 2.9GHz i9 processor. YouTube Dave Lee managed to get his hands on this top-of-the-line device early and run some tests, revealing that the laptop gets severely throttled due to thermal issues. 9to5Mac reports: Dave Lee this afternoon shared a new video on the Core i9 MacBook Pro he purchased, and according to his testing, the new machine is unable to maintain even its base clock speed after just a short time doing processor intensive work like video editing. "This CPU is an unlocked, overclockable chip but all of that CPU potential is wasted inside this chassis -- or more so the thermal solution that's inside here," says Lee.
He goes on to share some Premiere Pro render times that suggest the new 2018 MacBook Pro with Core i9 chip underperforms compared to a 2017 model with a Core i7 chip. It took 39 minutes for the 2018 MacBook Pro to render a video that the older model was able to render in 35 minutes. Premiere Pro is not well-optimized for macOS, but the difference between the two MacBook Pro models is notable. Lee ran the same test again with the 2018 MacBook Pro in the freezer, and in cooler temperatures, the i9 chip was able to offer outstanding performance, cutting that render time down to 27 minutes and beating out the 2017 MacBook Pro.
He goes on to share some Premiere Pro render times that suggest the new 2018 MacBook Pro with Core i9 chip underperforms compared to a 2017 model with a Core i7 chip. It took 39 minutes for the 2018 MacBook Pro to render a video that the older model was able to render in 35 minutes. Premiere Pro is not well-optimized for macOS, but the difference between the two MacBook Pro models is notable. Lee ran the same test again with the 2018 MacBook Pro in the freezer, and in cooler temperatures, the i9 chip was able to offer outstanding performance, cutting that render time down to 27 minutes and beating out the 2017 MacBook Pro.
For maximum performance, use outside during the winter.
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The spokesperson clearly explained that you're supposed to hold it with your fingers inside thick gloves (but not too thick, because those keys are tiny) because you're supposed to hold it inside a walk-in freezer.
you need a freezer and an external gpu?
Benchmarks now need a temperature setting.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Issues like this, the keyboard, lack of ports, sd card slot, overpriced, usually outdated, and they are even internally hiding the iGPU on dedicated GPU models form OtherOS, so they consume more battery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
-2007
When the 15" MacBook Pro had a frame with hinges attached to it instead of them sensibly being attached to a backplate, so they constantly broke like paperclips.
-2008
When the graphics chips were dying on all the Apple computers. Apple was forced to help by a class action lawsuit. How that worked? They put an Apple diagnostic disc into your computer to decide whether they may or may not help you, based on whether the test passes. Of course, it can't work if you don't have a functional graphics chip.
-2009
"Unibody" 15" MacBook Pro. Except it was made out of 2 pieces stuck together with adhesive. Not only that, it was so well designed with such build quality, the fan exhausting the heat these MacTurd Pros built up, was positioned to exhaust into the adhesive directly. End result: Computers falling apart everywhere.
-2010
A1286 model with the 2850 board, which was failing because the sensors would keep the fans at 1000 RPM when FinalCut Pro was rendering and running a video for 20 minutes straight.
-~2010
iPhone 4 comes out. $600 phone that you could not hold in your hand without dropping a call. Apple is not at fault, it's your fault for not holding the phone correctly on your fucking face!!!
-2011
820-2915 board comes out. Throttling the CPU out of the box with no dust, at 70 fahrenheit room temp. A $2000 machine, throttling and functioning worse than a shitty $300 Acer at that time.
-2013
Apple TrashCan Pro gets released. 2015 models start having major graphical issues that may cause distorted video, no video, system instability, freezing, restarts, shut downs, or may prevent system start up. AMD's FirePro D500 (high-end model) and D700 (built-to-order) GPUs are affected. Apple launches repair program in Feb 2016...
-2011-2013 line of MacBook Pros including Rentina line between 2012-2013 having premature death caused by design flaw with the GPU, which lead to a Class Action Suit, which lead to a repair program only 4 years after the facts.
-2016
Apple shitPhone 6 and 6 Plus with the "Touch Disease" due to shitty soldering system of the Touch IC chips.
-2018
MacBook and MacBook Pro keyboard design flaws which only get a repair program officiated 8 months after mass complaints.
https://theoutline.com/post/5052/apple-admits-its-computers-are-broken
I can keep going and going and going.
Apple experience and quality.
Apple users: The wife who gets beaten at home and calls it love.
If you want to do real work for extended periods of time, you get a desktop.
Unfortunately, Apple has crippled their desktops so you're out of luck there as well.
It's almost as if Apple doesn't understand what a computer is for.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
http://austinmann.com/trek/mac... http://hrtapps.com/blogs/20180...
New iPhones 8 are thicker and heavier than the 7 (to include inductive charging among other things), new design consists of removing ports, new features are made of animoji and face recog... Then they had to upgrade the Macbook internals, because people complained, and result is something that cannot keep up with its own engine. Have they even _seriously_ tested the thing before selling it? Like they tested Apple Maps 6 years ago ...
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
My deity Apple, look where you are now. Your phones are too thin and fragile, your laptops are too thin, your keyboards are too thin and now your laptops are too hot too. Nobody sane wants your stuff anymore! I think my 13" 20111 MacBook Pro was the best laptop you ever made. Why not take a good look at it and learn from that?
-- Cheers!
Apple products become more and more a fashion statement rather than something you actually use. It's like complaining that you can't fit your family luggage into the Ferrari, or that your Gucci handbag can't hold your stuff. That's not what they're here for.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
yeah, yeah, so thin ... but:
Isn't this the point of the eGPU strategy? To offload real computational work onto a dedicated device that is properly chassied for the job?
The real question might be why spend the money on an unlocked i9 instead of an eGPU.
This... I've got a 2015 MBP, but I'm running 3 monitors off a GTX 1060 in an external case. At this rate, I'm thinking my next machine should be the lightest, smallest, longest battery life laptop out there for traveling purposes, with a pair of eGPUs at my home and office.
Is that you, Louis?
The operating system is based on BSD, which makes it as good as it is. But Apple's contributions make it worse, up to the point where the OS itself is becoming unsuitable for some tasks.
To add to your long list of example, there are timing issues with certain video cards which make it unsuitable for precise tasks. Quite a few software vendors have issued warnings against the latest OsX versions.
I've encountered them in my work with computer vision as applied to robotic CNC-cell control. My wife has encountered them in her work in research psychology. This is, for example, a direct quote from http://psychtoolbox.org/requirements for Psychtoolbox-3, one of the foremost tools for vision and neuroscience research:
Use on Apple Mac OS X is still supported but strongly discouraged if you need any kind of reliable timing for visual stimulus presentation or trustworthy visual stimulation at all, due to the large number of bugs in the Apple operating system.
There was a time where I would happily convert my wife's Apple laptops into Linux boxes. I really liked the hardware. Now, even the hardware is becoming substandard.
No good deed goes unpunished...
They're both the same socket, BGA 1440. (It would be crazy to have two different motherboard designs in the same laptop model.)
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
No, it's why engineers focus on thermal design as an important issue when designing laptops. Or at least, they're supposed to. I have a high-end laptop and it rarely throttles, even under constant heavy load. Why? Because it wasn't designed by amateurs. Stop making excuses for crap. This isn't rocket science, this isn't something new that humans are only just starting to figure out; engineers have been successfully designing laptops for given thermal loads since probably before you were born. If you advertise that it supports a given CPU, it better support that configuration with relatively minimal throttling, or don't advertise it as such.