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The New MacBook Pro Keyboard Resists Dust Much Better Than Previous-Gen, Reports iFixit (9to5mac.com)
iFixit tore apart the new 2018 MacBook Pro keyboard to see how well the silicone membrane works to protect the butterfly mechanism from dust and debris. After showering a 2017 and 2018 MacBook Pro in dust particles, the repair site found the newer generation holds up surprisingly well. 9to5Mac reports: As shown in the photo, the blue paint particles coat the outside of the keycaps and the edges of the membrane, but the silicon covers stop most of the particles from getting into the key mechanism -- which is what causes the sticky key issues on the previous models. However, the silicon covers have to have holes in them to allow the keycap clips to attach. Naturally, dust can and will get through these holes over time. iFixit placed some sand particles into the "danger zones" of the keycaps, and confirmed the keys will break/become-unreliable when that happens, just like the second-generation butterfly keys. The non-cocooned 2017 keyboard was "almost immediately flooded" in the particles, unsurprisingly. Clearly, the 2018 model is greatly improved in regard to reliability, but it remains to be seen just how much better it is in real-world use. Over time, you only need a couple specks of dust to get in the keycaps and the keys will get stuck. It's just the chances of dust getting in are greatly reduced with the 2018 models.
Wow, for a site run by nerds, it's pretty sad you don't know the difference between silicone and silicon.
Silicone dildos last much longer. I'd expect nothing less from silicone keyboards.
Does it have : ...NO .... NO .... NO .... NO ....NO .... NO .... NO
USB-A ports...NO
Mag-safe connector
Ethernet
SDCard Reader
Thunderbolt 2 port
Proper Arrow key arrangement
Upgradeable RAM
Upgradeable SSD
Ladies and gentleman, the NO's have it
So NO I will not be buying one which is a problem because my 2011MBP has died and Apple has nothing I would pay for in their product line. This is a first for me since the mid 1980's.
Not using a decent spring is courage.
It's not a site "run by nerds" any longer. The current editors are latte-toting iHipster millennials who barely know what gets them clicks, but haven't a clue what actually matters. Doesn't help that they limit themselves to reading utter tripe, of course.
Right... Apple built a machine that doesn't suffer from an issue previous machines suffered from... totally planned obsolecense right there.
I mean, if I wanted to build planned obsolecense into my systems I'd totally just fix issue that most commonly causes people to buy a new system...
It throttles itself constantly for seven grand
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/core-i9-cpu-in-macbook-pro-thermal-throttled
Resisting dust may or may not be an improvement. After all, once the dust gets in there, those silicone membranes also almost certainly make it harder to get the dust back *out*.
Crumbs under keys cause problems. Nothing surprising there. There are only two possible design changes that could significantly improve things:
Any other change is likely to be largely meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Check out my sci-fi/humor trilogy at PatriotsBooks.
Doesn't matter if it "resists dust much better". Doesn't change the fact a multi-thousand dollar investment can be rendered useless by a dusty room. Apple may have their "keyboard replacement program" for out of warranty machines, but you know what it takes to remove that obligation? A sticker on the box, making sure buyers are aware of the flaky keyboards. Under most countries' consumer protection laws, you're only entitled to a remedy if you can claim the seller didn't make you reasonably aware of an issue. It's like when you buy the shelf model from a shop, if the salesman points out a cosmetic scratch, agreeing to buy it is agreeing you're fine with the scratch. At some point, Apple can successfully claim that agreeing to buy their defective product is agreeing you're fine with it.
Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
Hopefully, the MBP keyboard will soon be as good as it was three generations ago!
I have owned a lot of Dell and Lenovo laptops and have never had a single keyboard issue. A lot of them had keybaords you could remove and stick in the dish washer.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSvp9MjqnZE
So. How many presses will thisbsilicone film withstand before it wears out and becomes a tangled mess?
If it breaks during warranty, it just becomes expensive for the manufacturer.
If it breaks too soon after the warranty expires, people will buy a new system - from someone else.
Fixing stuff that breaks too early makes sense.
Apple still has perfectly working planned obsolescence in that the RAM and SSD are hideously expensive and have a low maximum available, so chances are that owners will outgrow the machines before they break or the batteries get too dull.
Apple is bragging about their newest keyboard not being as crippled by dust.
what you have now is the ultimate insult to their customers.
the keyboard has been improved, but are still not safe from dust.
however, it will take longer before the dust impacts the keyboard functions.
i'm guessing it will take just about long enough to fall outside the warranty.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
See above
How sad that Apple fanboy's must celebrate such nonsense which should have never been a issue in the first place.
Silicone is a rubber polymer.
Silicon (No 'e') is sand It may be used in the manufacture of siliconE but, the two are NOT the same for fuck sake.
It's still a piece of shit, throw-away, overpriced, fashion-statement status-symbol device masquerading as a computing tool.
The "fixed" keyboard design isn't being used for repairs for the 2016/2017 models. They just swap in the same faulty part which will fail again.
The battery is still glued in, so you're fucked after just 2-3 years.
The screen still costs $500 which is 5-10 times more than a normal repairable laptop.
The RAM and SSD are still part of the motherboard, so you can't just add more to your "Pro" computer when that's all you need. Sorry, buy a new fucking $2K-4K computer (yes, I know the SSD is "technically" removable but it's locked to the motherboard and proprietary, even though standards SSDs are smaller so there's no reason for it).
And the keyboard is still one of the most-damaged part of a laptop, even the best designed ones. To make the keyboard part of the main frame/chassis is just a way to increase repair cost/pain to the point where you can get users to just buy a laptop every 1-2 years. Which is ultimately what all these "courageous" design choices are designed to do.
And I'm an authorized Apple service technician. I've been fixing these pieces of shit for years. But I pity the gullible sheep who continue to bend over and let themselves get fucked every time they shell out 50% more than they should for a junk computer from a company that has more contempt for its customers than even Microsoft ever had. And I hate Microsoft.
When on earth would I get worried about DUST affecting my keyboard?
While using expensive Apple products. Geez.