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Russian Hackers Reach US Utility Control Rooms, Homeland Security Officials Say (wsj.com)
"Russian hackers [...] broke into supposedly secure, "air-gapped" or isolated networks owned by utilities (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source) with relative easy by first penetrating the networks of key vendors who had trusted relationships with the power companies," reports The Wall Street Journal, citing officials at the Department of Homeland Security. "They got to the point where they could have thrown switches" and disrupted power flows, said Jonathan Homer, chief of industrial-control-system analysis for DHS. The hacking campaign started last year and likely is continuing. From the report: DHS has been warning utility executives with security clearances about the Russian group's threat to critical infrastructure since 2014. But the briefing on Monday was the first time that DHS has given out information in an unclassified setting with as much detail. It continues to withhold the names of victims but now says there were hundreds of victims, not a few dozen as had been said previously. It also said some companies still may not know they have been compromised, because the attacks used credentials of actual employees to get inside utility networks, potentially making the intrusions more difficult to detect.
The attackers began by using conventional tools -- spear-phishing emails and watering-hole attacks, which trick victims into entering their passwords on spoofed websites -- to compromise the corporate networks of suppliers, many of whom were smaller companies without big budgets for cybersecurity. Once inside the vendor networks, they pivoted to their real focus: the utilities. It was a relatively easy process, in many cases, for them to steal credentials from vendors and gain direct access to utility networks. Then they began stealing confidential information. For example, the hackers vacuumed up information showing how utility networks were configured, what equipment was in use and how it was controlled. They also familiarized themselves with how the facilities were supposed to work, because attackers "have to learn how to take the normal and make it abnormal" to cause disruptions, said Mr. Homer. Their goal, he said: to disguise themselves as "the people who touch these systems on a daily basis."
The attackers began by using conventional tools -- spear-phishing emails and watering-hole attacks, which trick victims into entering their passwords on spoofed websites -- to compromise the corporate networks of suppliers, many of whom were smaller companies without big budgets for cybersecurity. Once inside the vendor networks, they pivoted to their real focus: the utilities. It was a relatively easy process, in many cases, for them to steal credentials from vendors and gain direct access to utility networks. Then they began stealing confidential information. For example, the hackers vacuumed up information showing how utility networks were configured, what equipment was in use and how it was controlled. They also familiarized themselves with how the facilities were supposed to work, because attackers "have to learn how to take the normal and make it abnormal" to cause disruptions, said Mr. Homer. Their goal, he said: to disguise themselves as "the people who touch these systems on a daily basis."
They just ought to sever all internet connections in and out of Russia.
I don't believe it. Deep state. Carter Page. Witch hunt.
It's probably best to just end all investigations towards anything related to Russia.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Around the Internet. No reason to communicate with or route traffic through enemy territory. USA first. Eastern hemisphere are scum.
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It may be true or it may be not true.....But we've had false stories about nuclear reactors being hacked before, which turned out to be standard, untargeted malware, on a non-control computer. Regardless, the DHS has been trying for over a decade to get power over the Internet, including things like the "internet kill switch." The information they release is targeted and framed to convince people to give them that power. Furthermore, we know government agencies frequently lie, and it's only gotten worse as the president has set the example.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Hackers only break in when security sucks. Unfortunately, that is the standard-situation these days.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
They are clearly not talking about a Stuxnet type hack, so if they could flip switches the networks were not air-gapped.
I've got backup generators, battery backup (serious battery backup, not the kind that keeps your computer running for a few min after the power goes out either, though I've got some of those as well, for things like modems, but a more serious battery backup which can last a day or more depending on whats hooked up to it), gas, and solar. Use it whenever the power goes out up here in NH. Keeps my internet up and if that goes out I've still got my ham radio gear and others within my community to communicate with. It'll actually be a good thing because we can then take over and rid ourselves of this failed socialist state. Freedom at last! Freedom at last!
Stop paying contractors who can't create a web application for $2.1B (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-09-24/obamacare-website-costs-exceed-2-billion-study-finds), adopt formal methods, write good software like your life depends on it.
Successful hack = another guy found a bug in your code.
Amazing. Every single word in those two sentences was wrong.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Lies and decete by the anti-Trump fake news media to slander Russia which is USA's top #1 ally. Just look at how Germany and Cana-duh disrespect america and treat it unfairly and you see who is our real friends.
500,000 Iraqi civilians dead
4,424 US Soldiers Killed
35k seriously wounded (life all fucked up)
Ignited a platform for radicalism to flourish in 70 countries
One of those agencies (CIA) was recently caught red handed spying on the US Senate. The world is so fucked up it barely made the news.
https://news.vice.com/article/...
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
They're Russian military operatives. Name them for what they are. The term "hacker" is for someone who is creative with things, and wants to learn how things work to a very fine detail so they can make them do interesting things. These military operatives have a different goal: to exploit systems and learn weaknesses in our networks so they can someday launch an invasion or retaliatory attack. These goals are not the same as that of a hacker.
So what country is spoofing Russian IPs?
We just had a story last week about the FBI crying that they might need to legislate crypto back doors. Coincidence?
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
There's good people on both sides of the attacks. On both sides! Like Me and Ivanka and the Russians on that side, and the Charlottesville Nazis on this side! We have to let them take over our infrastructure or the poor people who aren't as elite as I am will get to keep their rights.
and maybe trolling but Trump's poll numbers didn't budge an inch even after that downright terrifying display in Helsinki. What I find especially odd is most of his supporters are old enough to have been cold warrior types. It'd be one thing if Putin wasn't ex-KGB. There wasn't much in Russia to fear (they were pretty blasted out by WWII) but their KGB seemed to know damn well what they were doing.
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2016.
https://motherboard.vice.com/e...
Here is some more background on Trump's "Where is the server?" lie:
https://www.politifact.com/tru...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Moscow Donald clumsily attempts to cover up his collusion with Russia's attacks on our elections, so he can protect them from the consequences of their ongoing attacks on the United States of America.
And fuck all the abject traitors who look the other way just because he is as uneducated and racist as they are.
Several years ago I was at an IT Security dinner/presentation and they laid out some of the details behind a cyberattack on an airline. The hackers didn't go after any airline networks directly. Rather, they compromised an airline parts supplier and injected malware into webpages (or documents, I forget) and eventually 'caught' an airline when someone inside the airline visited the compromised site and was themselves infected.
I've tried to explain this to people in my industry. They don't have to be even trying to get you, just someone in your industry.
This and the massive Target breach are why vendor, their networks, and their devices should not be trusted (from a security standpoint at least).
How about ACTUALLY air-gapping the control network. If they want remote monitoring (not control), they can put a polling device on the control network. It can send all the data via a serial port with the RX connections removed to another machine on the internal network that can be reached via VPN.
fuck off ivan, go back to sucking putin's cock
Sleep well fellow Americans, Trump promised:
"Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded and safe"
I the future hacking elections and critical infrastructure will be well guarded against such exposure in the fake news. I for one welcome our corporate slumlords. Gold plated crap is the new black.
There's no really good evidence that the Russian government is involved with any of the hacking, except to say "That's something they would do". It's the fallacy of the reversed conditional,
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia.
Fake news. Ignore the Putin behind Trump's body-curtain.
Suppose Russia isn't constantly trying to hack the US.
We have daily news reports saying they are, that essentially they are fighting a cyber war against us and that's been going on for years, but we'll assume for a moment that is false.
Nobody is doing anything about it, of course. Obama nor Trump fired a barrage of missiles in a counter-attack, nor really made any big deal about it - they're still doimg trade deals, selling the Russians a significant portion of our Uranium, etc.
So Putin sees that nobody really cares about the reported attacks. Nobody seems all that bothered about it - not enough to demand any counter-attack.
Suppose you're Putin, or Russian intelligence, or head of Russia's cyberwarfare command. You see that constant statements that you're attacking the US don't lead to any significant response. You see that you COULD attack the US with impunity and they wouldn't do anything about it.
What would YOU do if you were Putin, or head of Russia's cybercommand, and you knew you could get away with attacking the US as much as you wanted?
If it were me, seeing that nobody cares whether Russia attacks us or not, I'd go right ahead and attack. We're getting blamed for it anyway.
So either Putin and his commanders are stupid, and not taking advantage of the situation, or you're mistaken.
As it happens, I'm a career security professional. Knowing about hacks is my job. I work at a company founded by Misha Govshteyn. Guess where Misha is from. Mr. Govshteyn and I will tell you, Russia is hacking the hell out of the US all day long. Only China sends more attacks.
Was this before, or after it was wiped, you know, "with a cloth"?
I remember the WMDs and didn't believe the claims then. Most people in the US and UK did. Unfortunately many people are easily persuaded to believe lies, even obvious ones, specially if they want to believe (and people love a good war if it's a long way away).
In this case, the evidence that the Russian state interferes in the USA is piling up. From the fake adverts, fake websites and fake friends with fake names spreading the Russian state's messages, to the sore thumb trolls here going on about Syria, through the US Government's closure of Russian missions and expulsion of diplomats to the current indictments of 26 Russian nationals (so far) including 12 members of the GRU, not including the NRA's go-to gun girl Maria Butina, there's a lot of it about.
If it is being manufactured, it's being done with so much attention to detail that the Russians can't cope. Here, the DHS has been spinning its web of lies with executives of utilities in secret since 2014 and now they've told the Wall Street Journal so they'll have had to manufacture 4 years of meetings and minutes and book flights and hotels and maybe make some actual changes as a cover.
Inexplicably for made-up evidence, interviewees provided with it have suddenly remembered meetings with Russian persons of interest which they had previously denied or completely forgotten about.
Against the might of the US Deep State, the Russian state's attempts to offer different explanations have all fallen apart, leaving the single idea that it's a foreign plot (cf. MH17, Skripals). All we're left with are the indignant denials from Trump, sorry, Putin on down that the Russian state would possibly have interfered in another country; if you listen very carefully it can be detected in the background radiation of many internet forums.
Denials are tricky to get right though. If you deny something too often or too strongly, that will attract the attention you wanted to deflect. No Puppet!
How humiliating it would be to be of the millineal generation and have people like you as peers.
Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.
Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.
This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Mark Zuckerberg stole the Winklevoss twins' code for Fakebook (figures as he is a thieving low jew too).
Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...
Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer
"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer Â- so I wasnÂ't lying Â- and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveÂ" Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...
Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread, infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Finkelstein also admits JEWS DID 9/11 (perpetrated by the Mossad & Bebe Netanyahu of ISRAEL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?... profiting by it (and that 3,000 jews employed there did not show up for work that day knowing about it beforehand).
Finkelstein also admits JEWS are going to destroy the U.S. Dollar and dumping it for other world currencies and gold to destroy the United States.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis.
Zucker now FIRED @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
Bernie Madoff (who made off with everyone's money, especially construction union pensions) shows the thieving nature of the JUDEN!
Eric Schmidt had to step down @ JEWgle (a jew).
Adam Schiff (gosh s
I thought it was a troll account, cutting and pasting one liners from emails with smartquotes in them.
However, it looks more like a bot from the posting account.
So I suspect its one of these 'multiple personality fronts', where one person runs 20 accounts using specialized software, pretending to be 20 people and only has a lot of one line quick responses to be posted everywhere via cut and paste.
Yup, here's a report from 2007.
https://www.forbes.com/2007/08...
That nothing has been done to fix this shit is the real story.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Newbie Russian hacker, he thought voltage machine was the same as voting machine.
we are saying sorry
do not worry, we will have it all good by November , yes.
Please give out best to the Donald
The IP protocol doesn't either.
Given these worms and attacks are autonomous the damage is already done when the system is compromised.
This is probably *not* some generic worm, given the original infection was spear phishing particular security contractors. They were clearly known and targeted.
I do think they (DHS etc) always want more powers and the budget that goes with them. Obviously given the current President that would be unwise for Congress to grant that power. Trump doesn't brief Congress and Senate, they read the Russian press to find out what he agreed to, like the rest of us.
I am more concerned about the attack on the election vendor systems, the details of which were not revealed. Exactly what voting software code was obtained in that? I find it appalling they still have voting machines out there without paper audit trails to verify against.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05...
That is a bit of news from the time it happened, not a few days ago, after they needed to show they did have access to the server.
Washington (CNN)The Democratic National Committee "rebuffed" a request from the FBI to examine its computer services after it was allegedly hacked by Russia during the 2016 election, a senior law enforcement official told CNN Thursday.
SO, which story do you actually believe? The one where they rebuffed attempts to inspect the server, or the one that they're using now, that they had the servers the whole time?
Personally, if you believe ANYTHING coming from the "Intel Community" either way you're an idiot. They lie. They lie straight faced in front of congress about all sorts of things, spying on Americans to there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This isn't a "Right vs Left" issue, because both sides have been on both sides of hating and defending the "intel community"
And until people grow up, and see that, we're never going to get anywhere. So, please stop with the re-written history, it is embarrassing .
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Hackers are no match for mother nature in making the power go out. Outages from storms actually kill people every year. Spend the money on more tree-trimming if you want to protect the people.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
"Nobody is doing anything about it, of course."
Except Russia is under sanctions, and a lot of their attempts to influence the elections are about removing those sanctions. So the basic premise for your claim is false.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act
"So either Putin and his commanders are stupid, and not taking advantage of the situation, or you're mistaken."
And this one is a false dichotomy. Neither is true, Putin is not stupid and we are not mistaken.
The system need to be all open source and audited by multiple separate security companies. Almost all of the scada vendors they are using our non-US companies. This crap software relies either for both the commissioning and the serving of the application on Microsoft Windows or at least on the serving of the application. That is the biggest weak point! If you don't have the source code for 100% of the entire operation you have no clue on what it really does end of story. You got to be stupid to install this crap that they are using then you got most of your wind turbines running codesys runtimes which yes great they are a German so I guess we can trust the 3S company. But what vendors are they using to add all of the potocol support and various outher libaries that they burry in all of that proprietary unknown coding. I wouldnt trust any of these industrial automation systems even turely air gapped. All it takes is for one of their licenses to mess up and your entire process shuts down. If you don't have the source code for 100% of your operation you don't truly own it they own you. Here we don't allow any Microsoft or Apple products on our networks at all even for nonproduction networks it is not a risk that we can take. There are plenty on industrial solutions out there that are open source and reliable and lots of hardware vendors that publish their firmware coding for their hardware.
That's a remarkable bit of denial, an excellent exemplar of why I have decreasing faith that this will end well. There is plenty of evidence that the Russians were involved in all sorts of various hacking and active measures and whatnot, but if you simply refuse to believe that evidence, then you can just deny everything and believe whatever you want to believe or whatever you are told to believe. That is one of the end goals of the concerted campaign of propaganda that the Russians been running since the Soviet era: true information no longer matters anymore and the ability to assess facts and adjust beliefs in response to facts is utterly withered.
To the particular point, the prior indictments against the Russian nationals are far more detailed than standard indictments, they are so called "speaking indictments." The most recent one this month against the GRU hackers detailed the particular methods they used and quite a bit of the timing of the attacks. And it sounds like western intelligence had high end source in the Russian government that Trump was told about prior to the inauguration confirming that the top levels of the Russian government, including Putin, were orchestrating the attacks. But again, if you can simply deny that information out of hand, and call it "fake news", then what point is there in providing any more information? What will be believed short of reality providing a swift kick to the groin?
How do you feel about the inappropriate influence of Israel?
" -- to compromise the corporate networks of suppliers, many of whom were smaller companies without big budgets for cybersecurity. Once inside the vendor networks"
Utilities/Power plants buy their equipment from vendors like General Electric. That is a small company without a big budget? Small companies do not make multi-million dollar generation turbines. If your talking a small vendor like "Jay's plumbing" that comes in once in a while for the odd job, they don't have the same access. Even general electric isn't let in the system without a reason, which is often scheduled and not just a cold call. The credentials/connection is only valid for a certain amount of time.
The FBI is not the "Intel Community". They're law enforcement, no less than your local cops. They have about the same record of integrity, too, which is saying, "so-so". But they take the whole, "national security" thing pretty seriously. And that includes all the Trump appointments, and his director of national intelligence and his attorney general. And while you're being Inspector Gadget finally trying to get the dirt on Hillary Clinton, there is a legal noose tightening around Trump's neck. Indictments, convictions, guys in jail.
And yes, there are at least three copies of the forensically-imaged DNC server in the FBI's possession. We know this because the Trump Justice Department has told us so.
So, the question you have to ask yourself is if you believe Donald Trump or people appointed by Republicans to be FBI director, attorney general, FISA judges, etc etc. You can either trust people that have actually earned trust or a guy who changes his story about what he actually said on live fucking camera four times between Monday and Thursday.
Not you, ArchMike. It's too late for you. The question is for other people reading this. You're already too far gone down the 4chan hole looking for pizza and crisis actors. The question is for the grown folks.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The millineal generation
Phrase. Literal
A generation consisting of 1/1000th of a Neal.
So far 26 Russians have been indicted for their role in hacking the elections by Muellers probe alone.
Trump won't ask for them to be handed over, and Putin will not hand them over right now. But these are old men and the next regime will throw them under the bus. Or perhaps some deal will be brokered where Putin gains some advantage for himself by handing them over.
Plus they cannot travel, cannot live their lives outside of Russia. Sooner or later they cross Asia, America, Africa, Europe and they get arrested. Forget the bucket list of life, these people can only live in a small country and never leave its "safety".
So this new lot might think they'll never get caught, that they will be protected by Putin, but Putin is old, and they are young, and they will be charged and prosecuted in absentia, then imprisoned later in their lives and die in prison.
Perhaps they should reflect on that.
Holy classics... A wild Cowboy reference has appeared! (Why can't we go back to talking bout him rather than politicians everyday...? This Is SLASHDOT, not your water cooler at work)
Who gives vendors access that survives a single on-site visit ? I can remember back in the day activating vendor access ID's with a new PWD every time they were onsite, and freezing the same ID's when they left the site. They were not allowed remote access unless an engineer was onsite at the time and that remote access was physically disconnected when the incident ended and the onsite personnel left the site.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
you can fuck off too with your ageist bullshit
Trump will spend the rest of his life having nightmares in prison.
First note the weasel words:
Then the canards:
As if the FBI has to have the hardware transported to a lab to analyze it. They have agents with functioning legs who could examine the servers while they are powered on.
And finally the crux of the issue:
The FBI wouldn't trust CrowdStrike to make such an image. Not one involving multiple servers allegedly hacked by high level foreign intelligence operatives. Not when the FBI has long had access to sophisticated malware, malware that other nation-states could also use, malware that could be missed by civilian tools.
Not only does this stand out for people who have bullshit detectors after 2002, it should upset partisan Democrats who are true believes in Russiagate. Why, there could have been the old KGB telnet handle from Pootie Poot himself buried in some encrypted memory, if only the FBI had access to the hardware to analyze it....
... adopt formal methods, write good software like your life depends on it.
And while you're at it: Discard "rapid prototyping" methods, no matter how formal they look.
Start by putting a stake in the heart of Agile.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Kinda odd to see the outrage over this. A few years ago USA used the exact same tactics to penetrate Iranian nuclear facilities, releasing the Stuxnet virus which damaged a lot of critical infrastructure. Back then there were plenty of people here gloating over this and being proud of the accomplishments.
My guess is that this is happening all over the world, by all major regimes, in all vulnerable areas. Anger or pride only depends on if your country is the hacker or the victim.
To Terminate, or not to Terminate, that's the question - SCSIROB
Non sequitur.
You have presented no reason to believe you but plenty of evidence to show you do not know or possibly care about reason. Doesn't help you started with a discussion with your personal faith instead of presenting evidence or reasoning.
Democrats are the number 1 enemy. Anyone who is against them is our friend. Anyone who isn't is our enemy! #MAGA
The article itself is incoherent nonsense written by someone who has little or no understanding of network security.
OTOH, I do believe that Russia and China and other states are more than likely probing USA infrastructure control systems among many other things because the USA has effectively declared a cold war on those states and is developing cyber-weapons to use against them. Russia and China would be foolish not to develop countermeasures.
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
Suppose someone broke into a power company, and shut off all power to a city. Would water stop running into everyone's home in the city, because the water company's water pumps stopped working?
A July 13 CBS news article says
Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats warned of an impending, potentially devastating cyberattack on U.S. systems, saying the country's digital infrastructure "is literally under attack" and warning that among state actors, Russia is the "worst offender."
Speaking at a scheduled event at the Hudson Institute, he adopted the language of former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet who, in the months ahead of the 9/11 attacks, warned that the "system was blinking red." Coats, citing daily attacks from Russia, China, Iran and North Korea, said, "Here we are, nearly two decades later, and I'm here to say the warning lights are blinking red again."
It's a good idea to have an emergency supply of food and water.
One of those agencies (CIA) was recently caught red handed spying on the US Senate. The world is so fucked up it barely made the news.
https://news.vice.com/article/...
The reason that didn't make the news was because it wasn't true. It only made the brainwashing websites.
See, if those power plants had been running that HOSTS file management software written by that titan of software development APK, none of this would have happend.
JUST SAYING.
Don't get it on your emails though. It destroys them.
An alternative you neglected is that Okian Warrior and phantomfive are Russian sockpuppet accounts pretending to be Americans.
"Airgapped". ... Bullshit. Either your disconnected or your not. Secure setups are the ones that aren't connected, have no wireless or landline connection and nobody knows about. Anything else can be broken into by teenagers with access to shodan, the secretaries phone number and two or three raspberry pis.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Carlos Slim, Mexican billionaire owns the WSJ.
And yes, there are at least three copies of the forensically-imaged DNC server in the FBI's possession. We know this because the Trump Justice Department has told us so.
Source please.
So, the question you have to ask yourself is if you believe Donald Trump or people appointed by Republicans to be FBI director, attorney general, FISA judges, etc etc.
Considering that throughout my life I've generally hated all American politicians as Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same corrupt coin (though there are a few exceptions), I support the guy that the political establishment hates. To be clear, as the media hires politicians and intelligence agents to be their reporters and political commentators, I consider them to be part of the political establishment and biased in the extreme.
is 'power companies' some blabla and 'mr Homer'.
There's no really good evidence that the Russian government is involved with any of the hacking, except to say "That's something they would do". It's the fallacy of the reversed conditional,
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia.
Or China.
Why would (e.g.) any NATO member go after the utility company? I'm sure some allies would perhaps try to glean government information on, say, treaty negotiation positions; but they have no desire to go after civilian infrastructure.
Because you are too stupid to realize 3 hacks took place and keep attempting to confuse them, doesn't mean the rest of us are that stupid.
1) Sydney Blumenthall - Hacked by Guccifer 2.0 a Romanian, not a Russian
2) John Podesta - His password was "password" probably EVERYONE hacked him including Russians.
3) DNC server - Muller made indictments based on this hack. FBI has not looked at this server, Crowdstrike did and they are unwilling to say Russia hacked it.
So #3, No the FBI did not examine it EVER. Muller made up indictments on no facts. Putin called him out on it saying he was hand over those people if Muller showed evidence. Muller already declined because he doesn't have any.
Clinton's server never had emails leaked from it. FBI DID look at her server and said 5 countries hacked it, but have not let out ANY details. The public has not seen anything from this server to date except what the state department released publically.
Pope Ratzo is attempting to say Clinton's private email server is the same as the DNC server that the Russians were indicted on. He is lying, as usual, or again is too stupid to realize there is a difference. At this point I don't care, Poperatzo is a lying shill and too stupid to post anything even remotely believable anymore. I'm not sure why he even bothers, he just makes himself look dumber each time.
Interesting. However, it's not an armed conflict between East & West that is looming, but an unification. This was already foretold by the surprisingly hasty substitution of the One World Trade Center for the Twin Towers.
And yes, there are at least three copies of the forensically-imaged DNC server in the FBI's possession. We know this because the Trump Justice Department has told us so.
Said no one ever.
PopeRatzo is literally making shit up and can't back it up. Is it because he knows he is lying or is he just stupid? I don't think it matters at this point, he has done his best to prove he is a moron. Mission accomplished!
What will be believed short of reality providing a swift kick to the groin?
Even that can be denied if you're motivated enough. See the separation of children at the border and the WTF denials of those facts afterwards.
What are you so afraid of?
If you have to ask that question then you know fuck-all about US/Russia relations over the last 80 years.
What is so terrifying about the US and Russia improving relations and bringing a little more piece to the world?
What's terrifying is HOW Trump is trying to do it. Peaceful cooperation with Russia is a reasonable goal but not at any cost or by abandoning countries that actually are friendly to the US. Russia is NOT a friend to the US and pretending that the interests of those two countries have somehow magically aligned because Trump is in the White House is absurd.
This story simply proves Americans are stupid and easily manipulated.
Simple facts:
1) Russians convinced American employees to type their user names / passwords into fake web sites. Moronic American employees were easily fooled, and fell for it.
2) American utility companies claim their facilities are "air-gapped". Now we have discovered there is "vendor access" so clearly the "air-gap" claim was false. The US Federal Government should be putting company executives in jail for failing basic security. Instead of doing the right thing, the US Feds whine like a 3 year old about the Russians.
The USA is a nation full of stupid ignorant morons.
I'm always curious why contemporary Russia wants to be so adversarial with the United States. It made sense with the Soviet Union given the ideological nature of the Soviet Union and Communism, but makes much less sense with a basically capitalist economy and the dismantling of the Party ideological machine.
India and Brazil have more people and comparable GDPs to Russia, yet they don't have the kind of adversarial relationship with the US Russia does. Sure, there are disagreements and diplomatic conflict, but not "plotting-to-destabilize" levels of conflict.
It's not even like the Russians are operating from a position of parity with the US. A vastly smaller and weaker economy, a much less capable and weaker military force, not to mention an entire laundry list of internal problems.
From a rational perspective, you would think that the Russians would want to be allies given some level of European-ish cultural overlap, the value of US trade and investment, and the relative benefits of security cooperation, especially given Russia's exposure to the Middle East and various central Asian nations of a dubious nature.
I know there are some shop-worn explanations about Russia's "need for security", Putin's need for an enemy to justify a strong-man state and so on, but these somehow seem trite or incomplete.
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Calling people ne'er-do-wells or Jealous JOWIEs is how I think I win every argument
When people state the truth about me I get really mad and accuse them of projecting which is something I do all the time.
Don't call me out on anything unless you are willing to prove you too can write some strings to a file programmatically
Spamming and being a general pain in the ass is what I do
Listen as I relive my glory days of being a college athlete in the early 80s
You must be conspiring with the Jews and Soros if you disagree with me
Bask in my greatness as I can do a ping as a non root user.
Watch as I whine about my work being flagged as malware by anti-virus software.
Witness my descent into madness
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"I looked into Putin's dead, soulless eyes and saw a kindred golem out to enrich himself and destroy the world." - Donald Trump
I assume most major countries against USA try to hack us. How come we just hear about Russia in the news?
And yes, there are at least three copies of the forensically-imaged DNC server in the FBI's possession. We know this because the Trump Justice Department has told us so.
I can't find any evidence of the Trump Justice Department saying that.
What we do know is that back in 2016 the DNC hired the respected cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike to determine if their mail servers had been hacked, and how, and by whom -- and to make sure the attackers were booted out. CrowdStrike made forensic images of the servers for analysis and provided copies to the FBI. James Comey said during his January 2017 testimony before Congress that "We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this my folks tell me was an appropriate substitute."
There is one problem with the CrowdStrike-provided images, which is that although no one questions CrowdStrike's competence or integrity, they did not maintain proper legal chain of custody documentation. This means that information obtained from the images would be easily challenged in any criminal or civil court proceeding.
In any case, I'm sure the FBI still has copies of the CrowdStrike-created server images. I'm not sure why they'd want to keep three of them, in particular, though it would obviously make sense to have more than one and to store the copies in different locations to protect against loss.
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Personally, if you believe ANYTHING coming from the "Intel Community" either way you're an idiot. They lie. They lie straight faced in front of...
So you're going to listen to fucking Trump? I'd trust ANYONE over Trump.
I'm always curious why contemporary Russia wants to be so adversarial with the United States.
That's not the goal, that's the means. The goal is to reduce the power of American hegemony.
India and Brazil have more people and comparable GDPs to Russia, yet they don't have the kind of adversarial relationship with the US Russia does. Sure, there are disagreements and diplomatic conflict, but not "plotting-to-destabilize" levels of conflict.
As long as there are no repercussions, why wouldn't they?
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NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION!
The fact that half the people from his election team have been charged with crimes involving Russia is not relavant!
There is plenty of evidence that the Russians were involved in all sorts of various hacking and active measures and whatnot
Sure, and what were the effects of all that hacking and meddling? 50k USD spent on Facebook advertisements (compared to ~1.3 billion spent by Trump and Hillary),and to quote Mueller's boss Rosenstein, there was not a single hacked voting machine, nor any evidence of collusion.
To the particular point, the prior indictments against the Russian nationals are far more detailed than standard indictments, they are so called "speaking indictments." The most recent one this month against the GRU hackers detailed the particular methods they used and quite a bit of the timing of the attacks.
The best part about all these indictments is that if the people in question never show up for trial, the Mueller investigation never has to present any evidence, so it's feasible to suggest that it's so flimsy as to be laughed out of court. Indictments /= convictions.
Funnily enough, lawyers representing some of the companies named in the previous round of indictments showed up in court to start discovery (where the prosecution presents its evidence so that a defense can be mounted), and Mueller wasn't ready to go to trial and present what evidence he had, if indeed he has any, and he asked for an extension. That should make it pretty clear that all he wants is headlines to look like he's doing something. My suspicion is that he was attempting to derail Trump's meeting with Putin as the last rounds of indictments were announced on the Friday afternoon before Trump's Monday morning summit with Putin.
https://www.politico.com/story...
if you can simply deny that information out of hand, and call it "fake news", then what point is there in providing any more information? What will be believed short of reality providing a swift kick to the groin?
Fake news is the wrong term to use as it's not even news to begin with. Everyone with more than two brain cells knows that every major country is constantly trying to hack everyone else, but as the "news" you're presenting is completely irrelevant to the point you're trying to make, I can understand Okian Warrior's (mis)use of the term.
Figured wrong, I clearly did. ;)
I should have known you were the AC douchebag traitor that posted that.
How is your Russian?
See subject: I too can appear to be "from Russia" in SECONDS via bouncing thru proxies OR hosting a site there to appear so) - ATTRIBUTION is difficult BECAUSE of those possibles!
* You have to be REALLY STUPID to NOT see WHO (what group/sect) is REALLY behind this - "globalists" (really MOSTLY composed of JEWS which even Dr. Steve Pieczenik A JEW HIMSELF has ADMITTED on FILM, who own media/hollywood/banking/gov't they INFILTRATED (as all other areas also via thievery gangup or BLACKMAIL they call 'good business' resulting in them being BANISHED OUT of so many nations in the past 2,000++ yrs. it's not funny (not just germany))
They are REALLY desperate we don't make good w/ Russia (Nathan Rothchild SPECIFICALLY vowed to destroy czarist & future RUSSIAs because the Czar RESISTED THEM as Putin also does (Jews HATE Christianity & they MORESO hate anything that's in their way ala CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLICS like the USA))!
They're "teaming up" w/ CHINA (a "NO GOD" communist state) & KNOW the US ALONE can takeout China (navally ESPECIALLY which is WHY China went after pacific submarine info hacking it from the gov't. very RECENTLY or bribing dirtbags)!
APK
P.S.=> HOWEVER - NO QUESTIONS ASKED: The USA + RUSSIA TOGETHER would DEFINITELY ANNIHILATE China (the Jews lackey, or so THEY think (don't understimate the Chinese - they're not STUPID like JEWS think of ALL "Goyim" non-jews)... apk
The FBI is not the "Intel Community"
Word games from "Mr. Establishment" himself... color me surprised at your 'semantic creativity.'
Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.
Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.
This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Mark Zuckerberg stole the Winklevoss twins' code for Fakebook (figures as he is a thieving low jew too).
Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...
Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer
"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer Â- so I wasnÂ't lying Â- and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveÂ" Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...
Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread, infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Finkelstein also admits JEWS DID 9/11 (perpetrated by the Mossad & Bebe Netanyahu of ISRAEL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?... profiting by it (and that 3,000 jews employed there did not show up for work that day knowing about it beforehand).
Finkelstein also admits JEWS are going to destroy the U.S. Dollar and dumping it for other world currencies and gold to destroy the United States.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis.
Zucker now FIRED @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
Bernie Madoff (who made off with everyone's money, especially construction union pensions) shows the thieving nature of the JUDEN!
Eric Schmidt had to step down @ JEWgle (a jew).
Adam Schiff (gosh s
From your fucking link, perhaps read it first,
When Comey was asked if FBI got access to DNC server "He said they did not, but obtained access from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm."
Right there, black and white. They DID NOT get access to server. They got a review from Crowdstrike, which now claims Russia did not hack the DNC server.
Funny politifact rates Trump's claim as false and gives backup showing it true. Can you point to a SINGLE person with proof Russia hacked the DNC server. Unfortunately you are limited to Crowdstrike personnel and they say it didn't happen.
PopeRatz is posting as AC because he is afraid to ruin his reputation even worse posting shit that contradicts what he says hoping no one reads it. We now know he lies on purpose.
Russia hacking the election is deliberate confusion between Russia meddling in the election through psy-ops via social media and Russia hacking into a few states' voter registrations. It's a misinformation campaign because Russia did not hack the election nor change a vote. The problem I have with this is that it is a well substantiated argument that Russia did these things. And two years in, we are still fighting over whether those are facts instead of discussing how to protect the integrity of our elections. The GOP is all too happy to demand voter ID laws to fight voter fraud that has no evidence of existing on a wide scale, why drag our feet on this particular issue?
Mueller is on to something because he has more than a dozen indictments and 3 guilty pleas. The guilty pleas are for lesser crimes meaning he is after something larger.
I don't see the pressing of the Russia narrative as promoting conflict with Russia. Nobody gains by war with Russia. Nobody gains from conflict with Russia (they have a lot of non-Middle Eastern oil!) Everyone gains from playing nice with Russia... except the folks that don't, such as Ukraine, Georgia (the country), and all of Russia's neighbors looking nervously over the boarder. But what does Russia have to gain from meddling in our election? You're witnessing it. We're hopelessly divided because people won't listen to basic facts. We can't coordinate a response. We're weaker politically, Russia stronger politically. The more destabilized we get, the better it is for Russia. The dream scenario is the whole thing devolves into a civil war and Russia has a free hand to expand it's boundaries, grow its influence, install puppet regimes, rebuild the USSR only better, and eventually overtake the USA as the world's super power.
Elections are the weak spot. People are malleable, they don't question anything they agree with.
Tell us of your MILLION$ (of lies) "phantasies" https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & you admit IMPERSONATING ME https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... + STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous too... pitiful!
WHO'S "DESCENDING INTO MADNESS"? Not I - you clearly are!
* Accept fact: You CAN'T STOP ME &/or "downmodbomb" me via your SOCKPUPPET alternate /. accounts you FARM downmodpoints with - I just systematically methodically RUN YOU DRY of those, lol - every SINGLE time & out of "FrUsTrAtiOn" you begin your f'd up rants when I run you out of those downmodpoints.
APK
P.S.=> You impersonating me proves you wish you were me & imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - but you = poor imitation. Your STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous proves you FEAR me also... apk
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I am the godlike creator of various GUI front-ends for other people's configuration files.
Calling people ne'er-do-wells or Jealous JOWIEs is how I think I win every argument
When people state the truth about me I get really mad and accuse them of projecting which is something I do all the time.
Don't call me out on anything unless you are willing to prove you too can write some strings to a file programmatically
You must be conspiring with the Jews and Soros if you disagree with me
Spamming and being a general pain in the ass is what I do
Listen as I relive my glory days of being a college athlete in the early 80s
See me lash out at one person for 2 weeks straight and claim everyone who mocks my retarded ass is actually them
Bask in my greatness as I can do a ping as a non root user.
I demand your age sex and location so that I can threaten to show up and kick your ass and will call you a pussycake but am actually too scared to actually do anything but be a keyboard warrior.
Watch as I claim I am world class and a winner but in reality I am a fucking loser.
Witness my descent into madness
APK
What you don't appear to understand is that Russia longs for prominence on the world stage. Putin has an ego and it is not satisfied by merely being dictator-in-effect of Russia, nor even adequately assuaged by annexing neighboring countries.
The US, on the other hand, has held the center of the world stage for certain since World War II. Our dominance has slowly receded, until this presidency where we are actively trying to get off the stage.
There are three world powers: the US, Russia and China.
China seems to be more interested in domestic affairs, though their activities to further it can have international impact, such as the espionage aimed at the US and Europe.
The US has flaunted our power on more than one occasion. We coerced allies -- twice -- into invading Iraq. And Afghanistan. And Bosnia. And places in Africa. We also invaded Panama. And Grenada. We worked to overthrow regimes in South America.
During the Cold War, the Soviet Union was also active on the world stage. Long years in Afghanistan fighting against US backed resistance. They participated in the Iran/Iraq proxy war. But following the Cold War they went into a serious slump. They lost prestige and they want it back. And, for Putin, this ego stroking is a personal thing. But unlike Trump he is intelligent, clever and calculating. Which is why he plays Trump so well.
Of course, he is far from unique. Trump talked big, bold talk leading up to his first visit to China. They had him eating of their hand and all the bravado was forgotten. Of course, he gets back to the US and those manipulating him here for their own ends did their best to redirect him on reversals that concerned them.
And that is the biggest issue with managing Trump. When you have one-on-one time with him it is easy-peasy to get him to agree to pretty much anything. Getting him to actually stick with an agreement when he's gone and has another whisperer speaking into his ear... that's different. And that seems to be where Putin differs: he has Trump singing pro-Russian songs no matter where Trump is or who he talked to last.
Which itself is a strong evidence for Putin having something material on Trump.
Stuxnet was brought into an air-gapped Iranian facility just like this article describes. It was brought in via a Siemens PLC or controller (not sure which) that ran Siemens Step 7 OS on it.
The industrial controls world (like Siemens operates in) is a target rich environment to say the least. This is not an industry that is used to worrying about security and hackers. Nobody should be surprised by this.
No. You obviously can't comprehend the statement you quoted. I clearly indicated that I don't trust them, and/but I made no reference to Trump's truthiness. That kind of cognitive dissonance is why people like you come off as idiots when it is pointed out. You should try thinking in non-binary.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Da, My Russian is a bit rusty. Though I got my Russian Troll money! Go Putin! Yay! You should sign up, it pays really well!
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Tell us of your MILLION$ (of lies) "phantasies" https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & you admit IMPERSONATING ME https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... + STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous too... pitiful!
WHO'S "DESCENDING INTO MADNESS"? Not I - you clearly are!
* Accept fact: You CAN'T STOP ME &/or "downmodbomb" me via your SOCKPUPPET alternate /. accounts you FARM downmodpoints with - I just systematically methodically RUN YOU DRY of those, lol - every SINGLE time & out of "FrUsTrAtiOn" you begin your f'd up rants when I run you out of those downmodpoints!
APK
P.S.=> You impersonating me proves you wish you were me & imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - but you = poor imitation. Your STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous proves you FEAR me also... apk
Signed, forensic images of computer system have been accepted as legal evidence for over a decade.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Trump sent weapons to Ukraine, is busy attacking Russian proxies in Syria and Iran, straight up killed Russian mercs in Syria, has maintained and increased sanctions. Where in any of that actual concrete shit helps Putin.
You're all like 'OMG, Trump called Putin to say congrats on his election victory, must be the kompromat'. Ridiculous.
Signed, forensic images of computer system have been accepted as legal evidence for over a decade.
Sure, if chain of custody was maintained and documented.
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Russia does not wish to be owned by the same forces that traditionally steer the US, EU and most of the rest of the "in the club" world. Mostly the impetus is self preservation on from Putin and his inner circle mixed with a general sense of nationalist pride. This means that their actions tend to undermine the order that those forces seek to establish. Think of their wish to move a pipeline through Syria and all the crap fallout that has happened over the last few years in that country.
Richard A. Clarke was warning people about this issue since 2002. This is nothing new. Utilities were always a major security risk since security was not considered important.
Do you not know, being a friend is a two way street. the USA is friend to no one
No nation state really has friends. Friend is a term of convenience and nation states in reality do not have friends. The US and Canada are about as close to "friends" as any two countries can get but I assure you that is only because of interests that happen to align. The US and western Europe are "friends" and if you don't understand why then you need to go study your history before posting any more drivel.
as publicly stated the US governments demands that it must dominate the entire globe in every sphere of human activity, starting off with the military industrial complex and nuclear weapons targeted at every single other country on the globe
Citation needed.
From the rest of the planet's viewpoint it's not fuck Russia, it's fuck the war warmongering USA.
Warmongering US? As opposed to Russia which just invaded Crimea and is actively supporting a dictator in the Syrian Civil war? The same Russia that sells 20% of the world military hardware? Yeah spare me the notion that the US is worse that Russia on the warmongering.
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The chain of custody on the forensic images has not been questioned.
Well, maybe by Hannity or Alex Jones or someone. Not by anyone who doesn't froth.
Unfortunately I don't recall where I read about the chain of custody issues. I don't read (or watch/listen to) Hannity or Alex Jones or anyone like that, though. Most of my news comes from the NYT and The Economist. If i can find a reference, I'll post it.
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Canâ(TM)t the DHS clamp down on the ridiculous national security shortfalls of the utility companies? Surely they can force them to fix this amateur hour stuff?
The chain of custody on the forensic images has not been questioned.
Crowdstrike, paid by Hillary, are the ones who gave the FBI the information. Hillary is the one claiming Russians!
So if Trump is accused of something, he has Ivonka's company research the servers before handing over an analysis to the FBI, that is fine?
PopeRatzo is attempting to reach king moron of /.. He is currently tied with Creimer. I'm not sure how I could post something dumber than he currently is.
This post is a glowing example of misinfo.
Trump did not lie about the server. The goveenment has not examined the server. THE ARTICLE ADMITS THIS, first saying that they provided "a copy", and then saying that is the best way to do it. No, the FBI having the original, instead of crowdstrike, would make sense. The FBI is certainly capable of inaging the server AND maintaining chain of custody.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/5/dnc-email-server-most-wanted-evidence-for-russia-i/
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312767-fbi-never-examined-hacked-dnc-servers-report
Imwan Aran's plea deal being cited as his factual innocence is also nonsense. I have a hard time determining if the laptop he left as he fled the country (he failed) or the server he had access to were really investigated, but even if they were, it is reasonable to suspect that an IT expert who had everyone over a barrel might, in fact, have a lot more going on. Especially with a sweetheart plea deal.
FYI the Iraq WMD lies came from the office of special plans. A specially created neocon run outfit that did nothing but cook up phony Intel for the administration. Still, don't trust the joker's like Brennan.
I worked in the power industry about 15 years ago, and there was always resistance to anything newfangled. There was one exception. The ability of the HMI (we called them MMI back then) to communicate with the outside world was seen as a godsend. You could remotely tap the datalogs and see trends in things like air intake differential pressure, oil temperatures, mag sensors. All of these things would provide us with valuable information, and it was even better if you could correlate it across multiple sites. Back then it was all read only though.
I don't know when they started letting things get changed remotely. I'm not surprised at all. It was always a PITA to have to send a field tech out to a site to do a system update. So I guess it was only matter of time before the ability to write changes became a desirable feature. But even on an air-gapped system, if you have somebody there to make updates without proper vetting, you're still hosed. Just MITM between the mother-ship sending the update and the onsite guy with permissions to change things. It's not a real-time attack, but it could still be devastating.
Seriously, why is this so difficult!?
Personally, if you believe ANYTHING coming from the "Intel Community" either way you're an idiot. They lie. They lie straight faced in front of congress about all sorts of things, spying on Americans to there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This isn't a "Right vs Left" issue, because both sides have been on both sides of hating and defending the "intel community"
You're right, that's less of a "right vs left" issue and more of an "America vs Russia" issue. That's one of their goals - to get Americans to distrust each other and our own institutions. People need to remember who the real enemy is, it is not other Americans. The intelligence community in the US is full of people who genuinely love the country and want to see it do well, and they don't deserve these buckets of scorn. They aren't perfect, and sometimes they do something that I don't agree with, but to suggest that the entire community cannot be trusted is playing directly into Putin's hand. Watch out, in your quest to be Ultimate Patriot #1 you might realize that you're just another apparatchik.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Laughable nonsense.
Word games from "Mr. Establishment" himself... color me surprised at your 'semantic creativity.'
The FBI has an intelligence branch, but the FBI itself is law enforcement, not intelligence.
Here, in chronological order:
Office of Naval Intelligence, USN, DOD
Coast Guard Intelligence, USCG, Homeland Security
Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Dept. State
Central Intelligence Agency, independent
25th Air Force, USAF, DOD
National Security Agency, DOD
Defense Intelligence Agency, DOD
National Reconnaissance Office, DOD
Intelligence and Security Command, US Army, DOD
Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence, DOE
Marine Corps Intelligence Activity, USMC, DOD
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, DOD
Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, Treasury
Intelligence Branch, FBI, DOJ
Office of National Security Intelligence, DEA, DOJ
Office of Intelligence and Analysis, Homeland Security
The head of the intelligence community is Dan Coats, DNI.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Do they require you to move to Arkhangelsk or is that optional?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
'Cause you apparently have lots of money to burn!
Listening to Hannity or Alex Jones doesn't qualify as "research" in the real world
See the part on sophisticated malware and high level foreign intelligence operatives you passed by. And not when CrowdStrike has a record of half-assing their reports. Apologists keep going on and on about memory dumps when an exploit could live in another location than system memory, like encrypted swap space, firmware, backup server, firewall....
Not for something this important, they don't. This would be like ISIS kidnapping Malia Obama in the Mall of America and the FBI just "deciding" to leave the search and rescue operation to Paul Blart. It just wouldn't happen in a serious investigation.
But Mueller's probe was never about being a serious investigation. It's a psyop, just like the one he helped run against Iraq fifteen years ago - but this time without any evidence.
Democrats were bending over for the Russians for decades when they [Russia] were communist pigs. Russia today is very far from optimal or free, but they once again tolerate religion and have elections that while extremely corrupt and rigged still actually allow other parties on the ballot. Russia no longer pretends that everybody equally owns everything (the permanent Marxist big lie) and now people own private property - but sadly they have the oligarchs and corruptocrats.
Now that Russia is no longer officially a communist dictatorship, the Dems hate them and have moved their love to the Communist dictator-for-life who runs China.
It's simple really: The Dems are like addicts. They love their fellow addicts and want everybody to join them in addiction, but get repulsed by and do not want to be around people who have successfully kicked the habit. Drunks do not like to hang out with former drunks who have cleaned up their act. Drug users do not want to hang out with former users who are now clean. Put another way: leftism is a cult, and Russia is a country that has escaped from the cult of Karl Marx therefore the people still in the cult ("progressive" Democrats) want nothing to do with them - they [the Russians] are now considered heretics.
That's the translation into reality
to a computer network.
Oh, and the "trusted vendor" bovine excrement excuse is the sort of thing they must tattoo onto the private parts of people as part of giving them MBA degrees. It's a hyper-stupid concept right up there with "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM".
The idea is that the insanely irresponsible and overpayed clown who, out of laziness, hooks important stuff to the net can point at somebody else when everything comes crashing down: "it wasn't ME! I did the responsible thing! The failure was at my trusted vendor who I TRUSTED because he was a trusted vendor who told me I could trust him and all his employees and suppliers, and their employees and suppliers, and their employees and suppliers, and their employees and suppliers, and their employees and suppliers..."
Okian Warrior, get off the sauce! None of the US uranium went to Russia. We bought millions of pounds from them.
I already live here. Its awesome!
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
You constantly stalk or impersonate me & SAY THAT BULLSHIT? LOL, please - you're a whackjob, no questions asked!
* Seek professional psychiatric help freak (you need it)...
APK
P.S.=> ... & GROW UP! Oh, by the way, a QUESTION: HOW DID EATING YOUR WORDS TASTE (lol) https://linux.slashdot.org/com... ? ... apk
But you won't admit that DOnny Two Scoops did Russian Collusion AND IS PUTIN's LITTLE BITCH BOY!?!?!
I like and continue to like President Trump:
1) I like that the the President can make the press and liberals go ballistic. Highly entertaining to watch.
2) I like that establishment types absolutely hate him.
3) I like that every effort to take him down is failing. The old liberal playbook doesn't work on this guy.
4) I like that nobody saw any of this coming. The smartest guys in the room don't seem so smart anymore.
A word on the 'scariness' factor. I'm not scared in the least. If the republic can't survive a Trump Presidency, it isn't very strong. I just don't see him as this big threat. He's mostly doing stuff I heartily approve of. Sure, he says some crazy stuff now and then. I'm of the opinion that this is just Trumps way of tweaking his political opponents. Seems to me that he's figured this out way more than people give him credit for.
Also, can we just stop with the Russia, Russia, Russia? It's getting pretty tired and old.
Liars Gotta Lie!
"...the Dems today were all giving Russia big wet sloppy kisses while Putin was still KGB..."
Sure. And so was your Mom.
But let's suppose, just for a moment, that you were telling the truth (just for fun). Would that change, diminish, excuse, or in any way make acceptable what just happened in Helsinki? No. No it would not.
Your argument is as empty as your head.
I guess âoeair gappedâ now means âoewe disabled ssh password logins and require a keyâ?
You ARE idiots and you demostrated it clearly in that post. YOU guys got the orangutard elected, not us. It does not logically follow that because YOU elected a moron, that it is US who are the idiots. You can't even say that because we pissed you off, you elected a dumbass to spite us. That STILL doesn't mean we are idiots nor is it our turn to be idiots. At most that could mean we're assholes, but an asshole isn't necessarily an idiot. As for the rest of your drivel, you have demonstrated on too many occasions that you were and still are idiots who believe any conspiracy fox news throws at you especially if it meant you can hate on Obama He isn't president and yet you STILL gotta name drop. trump won. GET OVER IT. You got exactly the shitty bed you asked for and now you get to lay in it. This fucked up situation we're in is completely your man's fault and you damned well know it. You don't care but you fucking know. Cutting your own damned nose off to spite someone else's face, not even your own- you're past that phase, is a defining characteristic of an idiot, ya fucking idiot.
Like with any expert witness, you're going on testimony of the forensic cybersecurity guy.
"Chain of custody" is for physical evidence when in the custody of the police. Expert witness testimony doesn't require a "chain of custody". It just requires someone who has expertise. Trump & The Russians (a new boy band!) can put their own expert witnesses on the stand. I hear Trump is looking for a 400 lb kid in his parents basement right now.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Why can't everything be the russian's fault? Your team keeps telling us everything is Obama's fault. Or Hillary's. Or the Dems. Or anyone else that isn't "my side".
Fuck you guys.
I'm guess you're the Ivan in this post. You obviously don't know what site you're on and how long those 2 have been here. They may be assholes, P5 is just nice about it, but they've been spewing derp on here for years. That is one hell of a long game. Too long. So IF they were russian sockpuppets, that had to come about very recently. You'd probably know something about that, Ivan. But they're not. They still say the same shit, in the same manner they always have, and as usual they're both wrong.
No you ain't. You're an old bastard like me. Gen X at the youngest. Wanna know how I know? If it were a millenial then the quote would have been:
"I know I'm right, because I'm a millenial, and have a wifi scanner app on my phone."
You'd know that if you actually interacted with any millenials. Instead you just hear other old farts shit on them on faux news and go with it.
How about you ACTUALLY stop typing? You bitched about air gapped systems and then came up with a "solution" that immediately connected it to a network. It does not matter if it is one way comms via a data diode. Air gapped means air gapped. NO outside connections. Technically that includes your power. If you have telemetry that must go outside that network, you have a real, breathing person read the source data, turn around, and type it into the internet computer or carry it on an HDD, or whatever method works best for you. Any other method does not constitute an air gap. We don't even allow you to use the HDD or flash drive method. We have a person who makes the TPS reports and passes them out to those who need the info. The reason few places do this is because it requires that you hire 2 or 3 dedicated persons. CEOs hate that shit. Remember, IT is a waste of money until everything stops working in thier eyes. For the power people it additionally keeps them from micromanaging power to maximize their bonus. They want by the second use demand to pinch those pennies, I mean be efficient. We've made power without precise metering for over 100 years. The power folks can fuck off. Securing your shit is possible if you stop buying the board a new yacht every quarter.
Wow you cite a bunch of numbers then use the phrase "One of those agencies" where you mentioned ZERO agencies prior. As if you wished to somehow argue that some agency had anything to do with those statistics but couldn't even bring yourself to actually form the words of actual accusation much less even argue the point.
Pathetic.
But enough to trigger an alt-response no doubt.
The documented proof came from the CIA. I know Vice is biased but everyone is. The best journalists to grace this country always leaned left and did not hide it. They were fair in that they did not skip the transgressions of the party that claimed to be aligned with thier views. They were real leftists who saw how corporatism was on the rise and the effect it had and has on the world. Disclaimer: I lean right because I HATE being told how to live and I hate social propaganda spread by communists and radicals who penetrated and destroyed the democratic party and subsequently paved a smooth road for a dictator.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
What? The CIA got caught red handed padding fake evidence for WMD to help lead us to the Iraq war. As I pointed out, they keep committing crimes against humanity...the most recent of which warranted military tribunals and public executions.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
You can't think of any other way to determine origin, therefore there is no other way. Typical NPD.
Have a look at the original security alert. It's pretty high level, but it looks at the indicators they used to identify the source of the attacks. It's not just geolocation via IP.
Oh, and your 'Jewish' conspiracy is ridiculous. This sort of behaviour is typical of people who have no real success to justify their sense of self worth, so they have to rely on 'race'. Loser's need to be racist because they have nothing else to be proud of.
Pick three points from your list and I'll disprove them, but I'm not going to wade through your 'gish gallop' of bullshit.
APK. Ignorant. Can't admit it, therefore is never going to learn. Typical NPD. Racist. Typical loser.
I don't know how many utility executives have security clearance, or why they would have it given that they don't work for the government, but clearly not all do and thus went for FOUR DAMN YEARS WITHOUT BEING WARNED!
Does that seem wise to anyone? No? I'm not surprised.
See subject: Don't worry - the "Golden Calf" of your shekels dries up! I give folks what they want vs. your machinations, lol & THUS I always will win... & you KNOW it.
* Heck - you're PROVING IT via your EASILY NULLIFIED "Bitch Tactics 'efforts'" which I easily prove are you in seconds by posting your PUNY threats... lmao!
(You really ARE too STUPID to live... time to FIRE UP THE OVENS again & Zyklon B showers).
Ever see Dr, Strange? Keep it up, that's EXACTLY what I want "JudenMammu" - you're MY prisoner.
LASTLY Don't speak for "Everyone" JUDE - you're the HATED minority ALL THRU HISTORY only fooling YOURSELVES, lol - self deluded morons & thieves.
APK
P.S.=> Dance little Jude, dance - to MY TUNE as I see you lose all that STOLEN GOLD/SHEKELS, lol - slowly (oh, SO slowly, painfully, as your kind fell into your OWN trap of debt, lol)... apk
And it sounds like western intelligence had high end source in the Russian government that Trump was told about prior to the inauguration [nytimes.com] confirming that the top levels of the Russian government, including Putin, were orchestrating the attacks. But again, if you can simply deny that information out of hand, and call it "fake news", then what point is there in providing any more information? What will be believed short of reality providing a swift kick to the groin?
Maybe we'll believe the evidence if we ever see any. With something as important and politically charged as a Presidential election, you don't get to say "trust us".
Just saying "trust us" isn't evidence. Evidence is evidence, and you and those who've already made up their mind have done so with no evidence.
Pretty hypocritical of the US to be pointing the finger at other nations for meddling.
Didn't the US get caught red-handed intercepting Angela Merkle's phone calls a few years ago? Spying on Israel, too?
Isn't one of the CIA's primary tactics the disruption and overthrow of foreign governments?
Don't you start wars on a whim and kill from drones flown by pilots sitting in air conditioned luxury on the other side of the globe?
Payback is a bitch.
Hohohohoho see the CLASSIC proof of that here soyboys as you DRINK the golden wine https://politics.slashdot.org/... straight from MY tap (of GOLDEN piss), all natural ingredients, naturally filtered (of ME pissing right into your shitbag mouths & funniest part is, you help me DO it - you LIKE it, lol!).
Do you LIKE the taste? Obviously yes - just like folks like my hosts engine, anything I put out, even piss, is GOOD (unlike "your kind").
Above all else though? Hey - MOMMY LOVES YOU!
APK
P.S.=> Hahahahaha (I think this is the BEST overall letting you SHEMALE soyboys destroy yourselves for GOLD (ask SuckerBERG about that - he's the expert as is all his kind are - heading into ZylonB & Furnace time again judging by what's happening - the PRICE of it is that, always, they don't learn)... apk
The only way a hacker is getting to the controls of a nuclear power plant is through a fusillade of bullets by armed plant security (and the on-duty force at any given time puts most small city police departments to shame).
The people in charge were raised into the cold war ideology and assumptions. Also the civil society is still in its infancy (lack of press freedom, corruption), the government is still relatively weak (can't save 50000 people from a forest fire, organized crime) and people who look for new national ideology an easy prey (religions, political fringe movements). They are balancing on an edge and try to blame it on foreign influences to bolster the people in power.
There's a Russian hiding under my bed!