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New Crime-Predicting Algorithm Borrows From Apollo Space Mission Tech (digitaltrends.com)

Researchers from Georgia Tech and the UK's University of Surrey have developed a new predictive policing algorithm that aims to better manage police resources and gain an upper hand in the war on crime. It reportedly uses technology that's been previously used in weather forecasting and the Apollo space missions. Digital Trends reports: The new algorithm built on previous work carried out by researchers from the University of California and police forces in both the U.S. and U.K. Their 2015 research showed how a predictive policing algorithm could accurately predict between 1.4 and 2.2 times more urban crime than specialist crime analysts. By making recommendations about where to patrol, the algorithm led to a 7.4 percent reduction in crime. However, while effective, this approach has also been criticized due to concerns about possible racial profiling and the underreporting of crime. The new algorithm has so far been demonstrated on a data set of more than 1,000 violent gang crimes in Los Angeles carried out between 1999 and 2002. Early conclusions suggest that the upgraded predictive tool could prove superior for coping with the constantly fluctuating world of real-time crime prediction. The researchers published their paper in the journal Computational Statistics & Data Analysis.

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  1. This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

    1. Re:This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, exactly. So, let's be a Miss Mash and go ahead and call this an AI. How can the AI be "racially profiling" people if it is optimizing its performance based on its end results? When all is done and said, it is blind to political correctness. Why not let it do what it does without bias?

    2. Re:This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it has BIAS you nitwit. Future crime IS NOT PREDICTABLE in the same way that prior history is able to be referenced, duh. Of course an AI's selection would have its own biases. Don't be stupid, lol.

    3. Re: This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Future crime on statistical level is absolutely predictible. It is not different than modelling epidemics, or weather. Epidemiological Criminology is a proven science by now.

    4. Re: This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's proven wrong hourly, which is why it can't be relied upon. Sure you can follow a statistical trend and maybe find something - or not. What you can't do is say that trend is actually as good as predicting discrete reality, because it isn't. All it can do is extrapolative pattern matching, which sure sometimes will bear fruit, depending - the selection modality implemented is the bias. It's not a human's bias, it's a collection of such biases made algorithmic. Don't be stupid and think it's somehow "empirical" lol - there's nearly no such thing as empirical data when it comes to crime in the first place and by no huge exaggeration does it even approach "complete" or even "representative"

      But it was damn easy to predict Trump was a fraud, either way. No AI needed.

    5. Re: This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Millennial engineers really need to get over the notion that 'AI' is intelligent or sentient. It isn't. It may be automated, but it still does only what it was programmed to do, and so shall it forever be. It doesn't matter what it's borrowing from - it isn't going to do any of this reliably. Also, nice navel gazing! The entire post is pure conjecture, there is no finished tech, no adoption. Another bad habit of millennials - presenting 100% speculation as established fact. Pretty over it.

    6. Re: This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's also speculative to assume this is all a product of Millennialism, so yeah get tested in case you're secretly like 25 dude.

    7. Re: This makes no sense by drewsup · · Score: 1

      This AI is just a straw man, the police know where to go but cant because they get accused of racial profiling, now they can just say " I was patrolling "area X " because the AI told me to....

    8. Re:This makes no sense by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      This isn't AI, but just using statistics calculations for their work.
      The problem is most people don't understand statistics. Many who say they do, really don't. Those who do understand it may not be good at it. Many come up with numbers and call it statistics.

      Statistical Mathematics hasn't changed much (Well not in comparison with computational improvement) So the algorithm used in the Apallo Space mission which may had taken a few days to run, and give out a chart of numbers. Can now in a split second run and display on an easy to read map. Also being that most data is now being recorded digitally there is a larger data set to work off of.

      What use to take millions of dollars of computing. Can run on a $20 computer with enough extra resource to play some emulated games.

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    9. Re: This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This AI is just a straw man, the police know where to go but cant because they get accused of racial profiling, now they can just say " I was patrolling "area X " because the AI told me to....

      If you really want to reduce street crime just deport most of the níggers back to Africa. When Detroit and Baltimore were 90%+ white, street crime was practically unknown. FACT. Just a smaller city-sized scale of what you see repeatedly at larger scales of nation-states. What majority-black, black-run nation is a great place to live? Oh yeah, none of them. When blacks run their own nations and control their own affairs and own their own resources, and still fail, still degenerate into violence and poverty, somehow that's Whitey's fault. Somehow. Screw cause-and-effect, we've got a narrative to preserve! Don't think unauthorized thoughts based on readily observed evidence, that would make you a heretic. Drink up your socially approved White Guilt and don't question. That's a good sheep.

    10. Re: This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evidenced based Science seems to be thrown under the bus whenever it leads to a disproportionate impact on minorities.

      Even the term Disproportionate Impact is an perversion of Science in that it presumes that impact isn't the result of empirical data.

      Empirical Data can't be racist.

    11. Re: This makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LIke omg bruh

    12. Re:This makes no sense by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      the war on crime huh ... like the war on drugs that got columbia bombed all over the place and cost i dont know how many lives, had cops break their own laws to get what they want and ended up with more coke in the states than ever ? if you do not fix the underlying problem, kimosabe ... then cops are just overpaid wellfare

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  2. Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by gavron · · Score: 1, Troll

    Here's your AI:
    Most crimes are caused by corrupt cops or Republicans who run insurance companies, telephone companies, or branded hotels.

    Go arrest them and you'll save the rest of us a lot of time and money, and not have to claim 1960s software has anything to do with AI, crime prediction, a Tom Cruise movie (Minority Report), or the price of tea in China (staying stable, but higher for us being saddled with tariffs because of orange-head.)

    It's not like you can PREDICT crime. All you can do is statistically chart where crime occurs. In a Constitutional democracy where one is innocent until proven guilty, and can't be detained and search without 4th Amendment provisions, there's nothing to be done UNTIL the crime is COMMITTED.

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    1. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong, we can do a lot before the crime is committed. We could help people get education, jobs, and the confidence to believe their life can be one of opportunity and prosperity.

    2. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Informative

      Constitutional democracy

      Pedantic Jerk here, but we don't live in a Constitutional democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic. This is a common issue, I understand, but the distinction is important, even if it is ignored. See Electoral College for a prime example of the difference.

      The alternative is democracy, which is the last step towards tyranny, as the majority will always vote to oppress the minority.

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    3. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      there's nothing to be done UNTIL the crime is COMMITTED.

      Nonsense. Law enforcement works best when it is focused on PREVENTING crimes, rather than reacting to crimes.

      Using stupid phrases like "the war on crime" is not helpful. That is the exact opposite of the mentality we should have.

      Historically, by far the most cost effective way to reduce crime has been to improve prenatal and early childhood nutrition and remove environmental pollutants, especially heavy metals such as lead, cadmium, and mercury. Today, black children in America have twice the average blood lead levels as white children, and prison inmates have three times the average. There is a lot more we can do at very low cost.

    4. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pedantic Jerk here, but we don't live in a Constitutional democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic. This is a common issue, I understand, but the distinction is important, even if it is ignored. See Electoral College for a prime example of the difference.

      Look, far be it from me to step on your Pedantic Jerk routine, because I know how much it means to you, but you are wrong.

      We live in a democratic republic. Some decisions are made by direct democracy and others are made via democratically-elected representatives. The modifier, "Constitutional" is really pretty meaningless in this context. It just means we have a constitution. That alone does not define or describe our actual governmental system.

      Yes, it is a republic. Yes, it is democratic. Yes, you're a Pedantic Jerk, but yes, you're wrong.

      The alternative is democracy, which is the last step towards tyranny, as the majority will always vote to oppress the minority.

      This would go against the intent of the founding fathers, who believed the minority should be oppressing the majority. That's why they structured the Constitution so that it takes power out of the hands of people and puts it into the hands of wealthy elite. Unfortunately, they didn't anticipate that in 2018 the "wealthy elite" would end up being a babbling and degenerate prevaricator who hates reading and gets all his information about the world from Fox & Friends.

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    5. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by alexo · · Score: 1

      What are the *practical* differences between your republic and any other constitutional representative democracy?

    6. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Synonymous+Homonym · · Score: 0

      Other effective ways of reducing crime are not having the rich live next door to the poor, and reducing the diffrrence between rich and poor.

      I notice that none of the measures that would havevan actual effect have anything to do with police, and everything with politicians.

    7. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no national elections or referendums on direct issues and legislation?

      In a Democracy there would be. In a Republic, that stuff is left to the representation of the people.

    8. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Other effective ways of reducing crime are not having the rich live next door to the poor

      Not true. Mixed income neighborhoods do not have more crime. The worst crime is in areas with concentrated poverty, where the poor prey on the poor.

    9. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by hackertourist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The alternative is democracy, which is the last step towards tyranny, as the majority will always vote to oppress the minority.

      This is rubbish.There are plenty of democracies in Western Europe, and none of them are closer to tyranny than the USA.
      Thanks to a voting system that allows more than two parties to flourish, voters organize in smaller blocks and it's pretty rare for one party to have a 50%+ share of the votes. This means government is done by coalitions of two or more parties. There is no single majority block any more, and any oppression of minorities becomes pretty difficult. Politicians also know that vilifying their opponents is counterproductive because one day they may have to form a coalition with the party they're vilifying now. That means party relations are a lot less toxic than in the USA, and coalition governments spend less time dismantling the work of the previous coalition than is common in the US.
      Due to the two-party system in the US, it is closer to tyranny (using your definition of 'the majority oppressing the minority') than the West-European democracies.

    10. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today, black children in America have twice the average blood lead levels as white children, and prison inmates have three times the average.

      Haven't you heard? Racial profiling is baaad.

    11. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today, black children in America have twice the average blood lead levels as white children, and prison inmates have three times the average.

      Well, if the cops would stop shooting them...

    12. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're already working on redistributing the wealth. There's no need for a government program when poor people will do it for free! ;)

    13. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      They're already working on redistributing the wealth.

      Crime does not redistribute wealth. It is mostly poor people stealing from other poor people. If a thief steals your wallet, he may get $20 in cash, but cause you hundreds of dollars in time and expense to get new credit cards, apply for a replacement DL, etc. So net wealth is destroyed. High crime neighborhoods have high prices (to make up for the robberies), and low investment in job creation. Poor people spend far more of their disposable income on locks, window bars, and other security measures.

    14. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Any first-past-the-post system like the US and UK have is likely to produce two party politics. That in turn limits the choice of president to one or two candidates backed by the two big parties. Plus, the whole thing is dominated by money, meaning politicians are effectively all corrupt.

      Maybe being a politician should be like being a monk, where you have to take a vow of poverty.

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    15. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      The worst crime is in areas with concentrated poverty, where the poor prey on the poor.

      Back in college, I helped a friend of mine move in to a poor neighborhood. It was really worrisome to be there. Every house had bars on every window and door. Broken junk laying in yards and driveway. And also a group of ~20-30 guys just standing in the street watching us the whole time we moved him in.

    16. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't care what kind of a government we have, as long as it results in SJWs dancing at the end of a rope.

    17. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst crime is in areas with concentrated poverty, where the poor prey on the poor.

      Back in college, I helped a friend of mine move in to a poor neighborhood. It was really worrisome to be there. Every house had bars on every window and door. Broken junk laying in yards and driveway. And also a group of ~20-30 guys just standing in the street watching us the whole time we moved him in.

      If by "guys" you mean "blacks" then yes.

    18. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The alternative is democracy, which is the last step towards tyranny, as the majority will always vote to oppress the minority.

      Care to explain why is it inevitable? You presume majority recognizes itself as a majority, not as an assembly of just anybody, and majority as some isolated group of generally loathed people, which implies some pre-existing almost balanced conflict between the two, or a setting supremacy of (of recent) minority. These seem like a very special conditions, rarely occurring.

      IMHO, large groups well defined and adversarial to each other, shouldn't even comprise the one same system. Some sort of forum for avoiding escalations yes, but any kind of coordinated activity and cooperation would be severely hindered.

    19. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no crime preventing, unless you mean social reforms to make alternatives available and more appealing, but in police works there is only crime postponing.

      Police will mess up bad guys' plans, but since the crime is not actually committed (as it was prevented), they basically can only slap criminals on the wrist and let them go.

      Or even worse, criminals see the heat is on and don't even attempt anything at the moment, waiting for situation to clear out and then try again. Eventually, so many criminals will be in wait mode that there'll be certainty of the crime happening at just any time and any place. There will be an eruption of isochronous criminal activity, stretching police force thin, sort of like massive prison break. How's that for predictions?

    20. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And also a group of ~20-30 guys just standing in the street watching us the whole time we moved him in.

      You should have put a widest smile and said hello, met the neighbours, get to know them. They will save your friend's skin, or else maybe get his skin if they don't like him.

      You see, there is very low percentage or really rotten guys who have no sense of morale. A group of 20-30 guys most certainly has their own strict moral rules. They will avoid preying on people who they deem all right. Don't act like you are judging them, especially before you even met them. Clear your minds, open your hearts.

    21. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      I'll give you a fine example of Tyranny of the majority, in a purely democratic legal vote. Gay Marriage.

      The majority, in every single vote on a statewide referendum was voted against gay marriage, or in the affirmative for marriage to be defined as a man and woman only. Even in highly red states like California. The majority in every case voted one way.

      The only reason we have gay marriage now, this day, is not because of the majority vote, but rather because of a court that said it violated the Constitution of the United States. (Good, Bad, or Indifferent).

      It is called Mob Rule because the mob is easily influenced, and eventually, laws are ignored and once laws are ignored for the purposes of controlling the mob, which ends in tyranny. There are some really good essays and books written from the 19th century on the topic. We have largely been isolated from tyrannical democracies because there are so few real democracies having been replaced by representative governments.

      But here is a recent essay on the topic. http://www.democraticaudit.com...

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    22. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pedantic Jerk here, but we don't live in a Constitutional democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic.

      Increasingly, that is ceasing to be true. The government no longer obeys the Constitution, and lawmakers routinely pass laws which don't pass Constitutional muster. More an more, religious idiots are foisting their beliefs on everyone through laws which put their views at the forefront.

      Many many Americans are happy to take the steps to build a theocracy, whittle down any separation of church and state, and generally be deluded enough to think God Himself has blessed this. In this regards, I see the religious right as little different from the Taliban in the desire to impose their bullshit holy book on the rest of us.

      The things which make the US a republic instead of a democracy are increasingly being eroded. Because if the Constitution is being ignored, and religious opinions are being treated as facts on par with science, then the distinction to being a republic is vanishing.

      Americans like to say "we're not a democracy, we're a republic" ... but they seem quite unaware of the fact that the distinction is being eroded.

      The alternative is democracy, which is the last step towards tyranny, as the majority will always vote to oppress the minority.

      Which is happening as we speak.

    23. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      This is rubbish.There are plenty of democracies in Western Europe, and none of them are closer to tyranny than the USA.

      Tell that to Tommy Robinson who was secretly jailed for protesting outside a courthouse.

      Citation

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    24. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      OK, one democracy in Western Europe is as close to tyranny as the US is. The UK, like the US has a two-party system. My point stands.

    25. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coalition governments are never democracies. Pick up a freshman textbook on governance.

      There is this extreme desire to redefine words in debates with moral components to ensure that what we perceive as bad is associated with words other people perceive as bad and also the inverse. It's a shallow technique which does not convince, but makes us feel good. A rhetoric that children learn in the schoolyard and adults apply in politics. There is no connection to reality.

    26. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by alexo · · Score: 1

      There are no national elections or referendums on direct issues and legislation?

      In a Democracy there would be. In a Republic, that stuff is left to the representation of the people.

      In most of the world's representative democracies there are no (or very few) referendums.

    27. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I'll make you a deal. We take all the "corrupt cops or Republicans who run insurance companies, telephone companies, or branded hotels" and place them in a lock-down facility.
      If the crime rate decreases significantly during that period, you win and we keep them there.
      If it doesn't, we shoot you in the head and exterminate your entire family, to ensure your gene pool doesn't continue.

      Seems a good bet if you're reasonably sure. Deal?

    28. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was your 'nam ?

    29. Re: Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Synonymous+Homonym · · Score: 1

      where the poor prey on the poor

      That's the worst.

      Maybe it doesn't get reported to the police as much.
      That way it would not show up on crime heat maps as much.

    30. Re:Police and Rich Fat Old Republicans by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Historically, by far the most cost effective way to reduce crime has been to improve prenatal and early childhood nutrition and remove environmental pollutants, especially heavy metals such as lead, cadmium, and mercury. Today, black children in America have twice the average blood lead levels as white children, and prison inmates have three times the average.

      Citation needed.

  3. Brave or Stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To publicly put your name on something like this.

  4. "War on crime" really means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... war on dissidents who challenge corporate authority.

    1. Re: "War on crime" really means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had no idea that stealing someone's Camry or committing rape were "challenging corporate authority"

      Fuck off, idiot

  5. Sooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They reduced patrolling crime ridden areas by 7.4%?

  6. Trump will hang for treason, let's face it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Traitor in the open couldn't even lie about it on TV. What a joke Trump is. Hang the bitch.

  7. It's simply racist to target gangs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This goes beyond unconscious bias, to full on patriarchal racism hiding behind the computer.

    Sadm

    1. Re:It's simply racist to target gangs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of white douchebag gangs too now, don't forget that. Nomatter what racist bullshit the nazi traitor in chief spouts, he's the biggest faggot in the nation's history and until he and his bitch beta sons hang we won't let him forget it.

  8. War On Crime is part of Wars On Stuff series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Crime" is fundamentally a people problem. Meaning that if you have a lot of crime you have a dysfunctional society. You can use ever more technology to go even full "pre-crime" on people, but a society that does that essentially commits suicide. So don't put your faith in the numbers. Go out and work on societal cohesion instead.

    1. Re:War On Crime is part of Wars On Stuff series by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, do both. Work for social cohesion, and in the meantime lock up murderers and rapists. If you have an infection, by all means take something for the fever and pain even while you take antibiotics for the root cause.

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    2. Re:War On Crime is part of Wars On Stuff series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What exactly is "social cohesion"? Is that the kind of police work they currently have in Britain where they arrest people for saying things the government deems as hate speech? Do you achieve "social cohesion' by using the power of the state to enforce same-think? I've read that book and I don't want a live in a society like that.

    3. Re: War On Crime is part of Wars On Stuff series by Synonymous+Homonym · · Score: 1

      No. Social cohesion means that people don't blame each other for their common problems.

      In that context hate speech is just ridiculous. Arresting people for it would give it undeserved credence, and is an effective means of preventing social coherence.

  9. Opportunity Costs by j0ebaker · · Score: 1

    But what are the opportunity costs of people having to bear the burden of living under a predictive model? Until these can be outlined in totality can one truly make a determination whether or not to implement such measures?

    What is the cost of a person complying with new regulations. Who is going to pay these costs, and how do these costs show up on the balance sheet of the proposal?

    1. Re:Opportunity Costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But what are the opportunity costs of people having to bear the burden of living under a predictive model? Until these can be outlined in totality can one truly make a determination whether or not to implement such measures?

      Of course. See "prohibition", which the instigators truly thought would be a good idea. Turns out, not so. Then they had to retreat a bit... and proceeded to criminalise other drugs instead. Most of the drug-associated crime is really only there because of the laws prohibiting the substances. They could've regulated instead.

      But the point is, of course you can implement measures before you have a good idea of what they'll do. Politicians do it all the time. It's one reason why they have such a bad reputation. CEOs also do this a lot, it's called making leadership decisions under uncertainty, but at least they usually get to pay for their folly. Politicians are so shielded from the effects of them being idiots that it doesn't matter to them and instead they'll focus on "playing the game". You know, brinkmanship over some petty internal tax issue along ideological party lines that just also happens to threaten global war, that sort of thing. Real-world consequences are immaterial to these people; only scoring points against each other in the political arena is what they care about. It's the difference between politicking and statesmanship.

      What is the cost of a person complying with new regulations. Who is going to pay these costs, and how do these costs show up on the balance sheet of the proposal?

      As long as it isn't the politicians themselves, they won't care. To borrow from Lily Tomlin:

      They don't care. They don't have to care. They're politicians.

      Anyway, this is not "new regulations", it's going to be much more pernicious than that. The rules won't be openly debated nor even be visible. There's not even going to be a secret court to adjudicate on the secret rules (like the TSA's). You're going to have to divine the "who's a would-be perp then?"-divination rules from personal experience, because that's the only way they're visible. As "emergent behaviour" of the predictive systems, not even the systems designers will truly know beforehand what will get you flagged and what wouldn't. So this will end up as a massive re-education exercise. You'll get to know the rules eventually, count on it.

    2. Re:Opportunity Costs by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      But what are the opportunity costs of people having to bear the burden of living under a predictive model?

      If done right, there is very little negative. The cops are already driving around patrolling and if we assume that a person is less likely to commit a crime if they see a cop drive by then by telling the cops where to patrol reduces crimes, reduces arrests, and everyone benefits.
      Most crimes whether it is vandalism, rape, speeding, or even theft are crimes of opportunities. You aren't going to try to steal a person's phone if that person is watching you. You aren't going to speed if you see a cop. By strategically placing cops in the most opportune locations at a given time you should be able to reduce the number of crimes committed and the number of arrests that have to be made. The same logic can be said for street lights, call boxes, etc... strategic placement of resources helps reduce crime.

    3. Re:Opportunity Costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what are the opportunity costs of people having to bear the burden of living under a predictive model?

      If done right, there is very little negative.

      Assuming that solely for the sake of argument, what guarantees do we have it will be "done right"? Will this stay the case? How do you propose to ensure and transparently show that this is indeed the case? And so on. Do tell.

      You aren't going to speed if you see a cop.

      That is not a given. Also, "speeding" isn't a crime. It's a violation of the road rules. Different thing.

    4. Re:Opportunity Costs by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Those are all good questions. But those questions are all one sided. Without asking the question of the other half of the equation, "what is the cost of crime", we're never going to fix anything correctly.

      Keep in mind, the communities that most affected by crime are ALSO the communities that have the same profile as the criminals in that community. IF we are okay with subjecting them to high crime out of fear of offending people for "Racial Profiling", that is pretty damn racist IMHO. It is racism of low expectations, and racism of ignorance.

      The political left is being racist when they ignore and excuse crime in certain communities, out of fear of appearing racist, because it is saying they have that as an expectation. It is a sick twisted way of appearing "not racist" while actually being the worse kind of racist.

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    5. Re: Opportunity Costs by Synonymous+Homonym · · Score: 1

      But what are the opportunity costs of people having to bear the burden of living under a predictive model?

      Exactly none.

      You are free to ignore weather reports and it won't cost you anything. That way you won't benefit from the predictions either, but that opportunity cost is not incurred by the prediction.

    6. Re: Opportunity Costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speeding is, in most countries, a breach of the law.

    7. Re: Opportunity Costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't recall anyone on the left excusing crime, in general, in certain communities. I have heard people on left complain that those in certain communities are more likely to be targeted and arrested and convicted. If the targeting is in excess of the relative prevalence compared to other communities then there might be a point to that sentiment, although the counter argument might be that by rooting out crime in a community it might improve things for majority of law abiding citizens within it. However, if done badly then it can lead to a siege mentality, and in any case many of the issues have their roots in economic factors, so you'd need to address those too for success. But then areas with high crime don't tend to attract investment, so it's a cycle that takes a long time to break, and isn't easily broken. This is why I am wary of simple slogans from politicians.

    8. Re:Opportunity Costs by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      Assuming that solely for the sake of argument, what guarantees do we have it will be "done right"? Will this stay the case? How do you propose to ensure and transparently show that this is indeed the case? And so on. Do tell.

      This isn't predicting people, this is predicting locations. Even if it got so good that it knows there is going to be a robbery at the convenient store on 9th street at 9pm (which it can't), the cop isn't going to arrest someone until they see the crime being committed. This is similar to a tip being called in saying "I think there is going to be a gang fight at the pier at 9pm". The cop doesn't go down there and start arresting people. If there is a crowd, they might disperse the crowd and tell them to go home but they still aren't arresting people until an actual crime is committed.

    9. Re: Opportunity Costs by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      I have heard people on left complain that those in certain communities are more likely to be targeted and arrested and convicted.

      That is an excuse, right there. People who live in high crime areas, commit higher numbers of crimes. It is "cause and effect". How can one stop crime, if you're so fucking sensitive about the race of the perpetrators that you make excuses as to why society can't arrest the criminals because of their race, ignoring the victims are also of the same race.

        The "targeted" part of your comment is racially charged, and part of exactly what I was suggesting, it is the worst form of racism, because it prevents proper policing and enables criminality in high crime areas.

      cycle that takes a long time to break, and isn't easily broken.

      It is easily broken, if all the NAACP, Black Lives Matters, Race Baiting leftwing pimps started to raise their expectations of their respective communities, and stopped with their inciting hatred of those trying to make their communities safer.

      Look, I'm not a big fan of cops. But I am less of a fan of crime. And being Libertarian, I am not a fan of things like the "war on drugs" which is highly problematic on all sorts of levels. But at some point, we're going to have to have higher expectations before we solve the crime problem in high crime areas. Just like we should have higher expectations of police. NEITHER goal is unreasonable.

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    10. Re:Opportunity Costs by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      If there is a crowd, they might disperse the crowd and tell them to go home but they still aren't arresting people until an actual crime is committed.

      Nonsense. Cops arrest people who haven't committed a crime all the time.

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  10. Mathematics, is there anything it can't do? by mykepredko · · Score: 2

    This is a novel application the Kalman filter ("technology that's been previously used in weather forecasting and the Apollo space missions") which I would expect most electrical engineers to have experience with if they've ever done any sensor applications (this is the second step to processing sensor data if simple averaging doesn't work).

    What TFA and, it's associated paywalled, journal article shows that regardless of what is the situation, chances are there is a mathematical approach to dealing with it. The problem is finding somebody who can look at the problem and present it in a way that different mathematical approaches can be used.

    This doesn't mean that the Kalman filter is the *best* approach for this problem, just that it is a novel way of looking at the issue of predicting crime.

    1. Re: Mathematics, is there anything it can't do? by Synonymous+Homonym · · Score: 2

      Where does it say that they are using a Kalman filter?

      I would rather expect them to use a Runge-Kutta method, but I am not an expert in simulation models.

      Anyway, using mathematics to predict crime is not at all new. It is called predictive policing and has shown some success in London for years now. Mind you, it only predicts crime. It won't help prevent it if it isn't used by city planners instead of police.

    2. Re: Mathematics, is there anything it can't do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not clear to me that they could use a kalman filter. The kalman filter has some idea of the "physics" of the sensor. What are the laws of crimes statistics? I suppose they could be using a far less interesting version of the kalman filter that is essentially a PI control loop.

    3. Re: Mathematics, is there anything it can't do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where does it say that they are using a Kalman filter?

      From the abstract: "A novel and general Bayesian sequential data assimilation algorithm is developed for joint state-parameter estimation for an inhomogeneous Poisson process by deriving an approximating Poisson-Gamma ‘Kalman’ filter that allows for uncertainty quantification."

      So, not a 'real' Kalman filter? But is still doing a joint probability distribution approximation? Not sure what it's really doing, but that's where the Kalman comes in. I also have no idea why it would be better than other time-series approximations.

  11. If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > there's nothing to be done UNTIL the crime is COMMITTED.

    If they could predict which block was likely to have a spike in crime 3 or 4 days in advance, that would be enough time to finish their donuts an drive a patrol car over there, potentially preventing the crime. If the presence of the patrol car didn't determine the criminal, the cops could actually catch a bad guy in the act for once, rather than taking a report the next day. I know, that's funny. They'll still just be taking reports after the fact.

    1. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Cohen lied to the Senate Intel committee when asked this before, I'm sure he's telling the truth now.

      "To be clear, these sources said Cohen does not have evidence, such as audio recordings, to corroborate his claim, but he is willing to attest to his account."

      Oh noes! He's going to attest! Trump knew about a meeting with Russians to ... get oppositional research on Clinton!? Is that illegal? Did anything come of it? Stay tuned!

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    2. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are there, to clean up ...

      No, they exist to contain you and the criminals; keeping both away from the ruling class and power elite. Police can achieve this even when cowering during a school shooting.

      ... and LESS 'effective' ...

      To achieve the aforementioned outcome, they need to suppress a large percentage of 'criminal' activity and ensure the criminal element doesn't outnumber them. This is why 'stop and frisk' is a useful mechanism. Most times, the more effective they are, the safer everyone is.

      ... possible racial profiling ...

      We know a living bureaucrat does better; not.

      ... under-reporting of crime ...

      That's not the machine's fault and again, a living cop won't fix the problem.

    3. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact is it's not just Cohen, it's every bit of corroborating evidence Cohen can point so. Face it bitch, you're at the gallows and the rope is on your neck. Keep dithering faggot lol. It makes no difference in the end.

    4. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by sconeu · · Score: 1

      the supremes have even said that they have no duty to protect you

      Sue for false advertising. LAPD has their motto "To Protect and Serve" on their cars. Seems to me that a reasonable person would have an expectation of protection.

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    5. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by Megol · · Score: 2

      Who kills the most people, the police or criminals?
      Who hurts more people physically, emotionally and/or economically, the police or criminals?

      I think you would get both of those wrong given the putrid bile above but the facts are out there if you'd be interested.

    6. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The problem is that predicting crime is a self fulfilling prophecy.

      The chief of police has limited resources, so they look at their map and see that there is 10% more crime in district A. So they send some extra cops there, and because there are more cops in the are they make more arrests. Now it looks like there is 30% more crime in district A, but the chief spins it as a crackdown with more arrests and bad guys taken off the street.

      In reality district A has less crime that district B, but people in district B don't trust the police and don't call them because they know they are all over in A and if they turn up at all it will be too late.

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    7. Re: If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by drewsup · · Score: 1

      Or... Because there is a larger police presence, the criminals move somewhere else temporarily and crime crime rate in area A drops by all appearances....

    8. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by umghhh · · Score: 1

      There is this other thing - if the patrol car prevents the crime from occurring in the first place then how is algorithm coping with that? How are algorithm users going to cope with that? I mean all the money spent on y2k bug were wasted because hardly any problems have been seen. The same happened to financial regulation that has been removed which apparently helped the 2008 meltdown to occur. Examples are numerous. Then another q. - if I know a guy or group of guys are up for no good can I do anything - that would be pre-crime sort of thing and in essence something that is a direct argument against free will and if so breaking parts of the foundations of our justice system.

    9. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works about the same as SWATTING, just automated. It's nothing but war against your own population, and worsens the divide, makes police militant and dosn't tackle root causes at all, which just fits the ideology of the psychopaths.

    10. Re: If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, the statistics are constantly changing, so they're looking at mostly noise, some trends perhaps, but all symptomatic of the sick society they perpetuate.

    11. Re: If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's usually what happens, there is a "crackdown", lots of arrests, then the few criminals who were there move somewhere else and it seems to have worked. At best all it did was displace some crime out of an already low crime area.

      A related effect is "return to mean" which is common with speed cameras. There are a few accidents in one place one year, so they put a camera in. The next year the number of accidents falls back to the previous average, so they declare the camera a great success, even though it would likely have happened without he camera being there anyway.

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    12. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go on, Anon. Tell all about the corroborating evidence that Cohen can point to! After 2 fucking years of this nonsense, it'd be nice to see just one iota of it. Leaky Mueller is so desperate to find evidence against Trump, he's searching the President's Twitter timeline, LOL.

      Face it, honey, Trump has outsmarted the msm fucktards, the deep state, and that parkison riddled bitch, Hillary-what-is-she-hiding-underneath-the-tablecloths-she-wears Clinton.

      Get your asbestos suit ready, baby. It's hot where you are going: the democrat Hell of a 2 term Trump Presidency.

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    13. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by tehcyder · · Score: 0

      > there's nothing to be done UNTIL the crime is COMMITTED.

      If they could predict which block was likely to have a spike in crime 3 or 4 days in advance, that would be enough time to finish their donuts an drive a patrol car over there, potentially preventing the crime. If the presence of the patrol car didn't determine the criminal, the cops could actually catch a bad guy in the act for once, rather than taking a report the next day. I know, that's funny. They'll still just be taking reports after the fact.

      I believe the libertarians here would consider this illegal state intervention in the individual's right to commit a crime. Or something.

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    14. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like racial profiling

    15. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Who kills the most people, the police or criminals?

      False dichotomy. Police commit crimes at roughly the same rate as the general population. Many of them are "the" criminals.

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    16. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      ... I mean all the money spent on y2k bug were wasted because hardly any problems have been seen. ...

      That was precisely what all the money was spent for, so we would not see so many of the (approaching) problems ! 8-)

    17. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      What exactly does this have to do with a crime predicting algorithm?

    18. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      citation please.

    19. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      society never wants to address the root causes of crime, because root causes may make us uncomfortable.

    20. Re:If they can predict it 3 or 4 days in advance by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
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  12. Autocorrect: Deter the criminal, not determine by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Autocorrect / predictive text turned "deter the criminal" to "determine the criminal".

    It also occurs to me my post was quite negative, and not without good reason, but I should also acknowledge I've dealt with a couple of very good cops. One in particular in Bryan, Texas went above and beyond when my wife was in crisis. On the other hand, 20 miles away in Caldwell, Texas, a different cop wasn't good at all. He shouldn't be a cop.

  13. misleading title of article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the article has no information about how the crime predicting algorithm borrows anything from the Apollo space missions. Article is pretty light on substantive information period. maybe someone can pay to read the paper

    1. Re:misleading title of article by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      google "kalman filter"

  14. Profiling? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    How is it racial profiling? Who's putting race into the prediction models?

    It's violent gang related crime profiling.

    1. Re:Profiling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, all those violent white gangs.

    2. Re:Profiling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just so happens that predicate [violent gang] and the group [minority] has near complete overlap right?

    3. Re:Profiling? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is it racial profiling? Who's putting race into the prediction models?

      Even if race is not explicitly included, it is likely strongly correlated with other inputs, such as zipcodes, neighborhoods, names, prior arrest records, profile of the victim (most crime is intra-racial), etc. Since REALITY is that crime is correlated with race, any "AI" will quickly locate proxies for race in the data.

      If we want to eliminate racial bias, it is not effective to modify the inputs. It is better to just modify the outputs by multiplying by a race based fudge factor to make the results politically acceptable.

    4. Re:Profiling? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The great news is police can then stay inures of the USA expected to have crime.
      More police, faster to respond. Less time to escape.

      Politically the GUI will show exactly what parts of a city and state have huge amounts of crime.

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    5. Re:Profiling? by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, better to make the police less effective incase someone's feelings get hurt.

    6. Re:Profiling? by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      Are you people really this fucking stupid or is it just convenient to be deliberately obtuse?

      Race is getting into the data used by the prediction models because of the many decades of racial profiling used by cops.

      If cops routinely charge poor and black kids for possession of dope while routinely letting off white middle-class kids with a warning, then that's going to affect the crime stats that influence the model. Same when they routinely stop and frisk black people but not whites - a percentage of those stopped are going to be in possession of contraband or have an outstanding warrant or whatever.

      If courts sentence black people far more often than white people for the same crimes than that's also going to affect the crime stats.

      I shouldn't be saying "if" there because the examples given above are exactly the kinds of racial & social-class discrimination that cops and courts do.

      This all leads to self-fulfilling prophecy (oops, "prediction"...this is sciency-sounding stuff not hocus pocus voodoo). If you only ever look for crime in poor, black neighbourhoods but never in rich white neighbourhoods then the crime stats are going to say that poor and/or black people are criminals, but rich white people aren't.

      This isn't just speculation about what might happen. This is actually what has happened every single time some kind of "data-based" crime prediction has been tried. It inevitably duplicates and reinforces the already existing biases.

    7. Re:Profiling? by Megol · · Score: 1

      The algorithm doesn't care about race, only in crimes, so isn't racist unless there are more crime reported by racists due to being racists - and then the racism isn't in the algorithm.

    8. Re:Profiling? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The algorithm doesn't care about race

      In theory, "separate but equal" wasn't racially biased either. But if the output is racist, then then most people would say that the system is racist.

      Race is correlated with criminality. Any AI that isn't specifically designed to exclude that factor will find that correlation and use it to make predictions. We, as a society, have decided that is unacceptable because it doesn't treat people as individuals. So do you fudge the inputs or fudge the outputs? Fudging the inputs is difficult, unlikely to work well, and will diminish the effectiveness of the system. So the only remaining option is to fudge the outputs.

    9. Re:Profiling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The system predicts "urban crime". The system isn't racist, the definition and enforcement of urban crime is race-based. Change the sorts of crime routinely investigated and enforced in urban centers, you get different sorts of predictions. Change the target of enforcement, you get likewise.

      Don't blame the prediction software. Blame the input data. Garbage in, garbage out.

    10. Re:Profiling? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      These statistical models work based on crime REPORTING. So you're saying citizens in urban centers are over-reporting crimes and whites are under-reporting crimes? It must be all those white people coming up with phrases like "Snitches get stitches" and "fuck da police"

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    11. Re:Profiling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Separate but equal may indeed have been less racist than what has replaced it.

    12. Re:Profiling? by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      I think one of the difficulties in discussing crime rates, is 'crime' being something of a vague concept, while many people hold a rigid understanding.

    13. Re:Profiling? by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      It's certainly not banker fraud related crime profiling where it might actually do some good.

  15. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I rarely see bullshit on this level. using the Apollo name to advance a police state agenda.

  16. they should start the pre-crime unit by youn · · Score: 1

    wait, isn't that what happened in minority report?

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  17. racist! by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 0

    the ACLU would shut anything that predicted crime down claiming it was racist or discriminated against the poor.

  18. Elsevier paywall for influencing public policy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Based on the article, this research is intended to influence how public police services operate. It is good to have a *public* discussion on how these public services and policies could be improved. However, this research isn't really made public. The steep cost Elsevier puts on access to the research has a chilling effect on how others can contribute meaningfully to this discussion.

    The article admits: "However, while effective, this approach has also been criticized due to concerns about possible racial profiling and the underreporting of crime."

    The response is that a Kalman filter is used. But the specifics of how it is used is hidden behind the Elsevier paywall. Anyone that is familiar with the Kalman filter knows it is a highly complex system which can be used incorrectly to produce what initially looks like good results but do not hold up well over time. By publishing through Elsevier, the researchers are able to limit how many people will be able to discuss what they might have gotten wrong.

    Put more plainly, this article reads like a script to an episode of the TV show Numb3rs. The details are just as vague on how math can be thrown at solving crime. When this is done for entertainment purposes, it is understandable the details given are extremely light. However, when it is three researchers attempting to change the location of public resources, this level of vagueness is just not acceptable.

  19. Part of the "war on freedom" series ... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    There really is no reason for a "war on crime", except as a pretext to fight freedom and to make some people even richer.

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    1. Re:Part of the "war on freedom" series ... by Megol · · Score: 1

      Move to Somalia and get all the freedom you want.

    2. Re: Part of the "war on freedom" series ... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I tried that. I bought a Somali birth certificate and everything. Less than 50 pounds sterling. It was great until I had my arm chopped off by a soldier for violating Sharia law. The effect has really hampered my playing of the middle eastern bagpipes. So much for cultural assimilation. At least the Somali shaman doctor was cheap. Stopped the stub from bleeding but I've developed green moss growing on my earlobe as a side effect. Anyway overall I give the experience four stars, would recommend.

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  20. The 70's called and want their headline back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that it's the silly season - but Apollo - really it's been 50 years.
    I guess that it's a nice reminder that that's what that generation of engineers built compared to increasingly intrusive ways of tracking.

  21. Re: Elsevier paywall for influencing public policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Academic researchers have to publish, else lose funding, which puts them in a difficult position if the more prestigious journals they need to publish in are not open. Perhaps a subsequent paper can be published in a more open way, and they can describe things to some extent outside journals.

    There is a possibility that it will be spun out into a company and become more closed, and it is attractive for UK academics to do so, as there is no such thing as tenure, as even if you are not on a short term contract if you don't attract research funding you can be let go, so an eye for a business opportunity is useful. Whether that itself is an issue depends on how the use of the research is handled.

  22. Pope Ratzo is a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    N Korea stopping missile testing and nuke testing.
    EU dropping tariffs on US goods.
    Historic low unemployment for blacks and latinos.
    Massive tax cuts helping middle class.
    No longer punishing blue collar workers with extra tax because they can't afford health insurance.
    Stopping illegal criminals from killing US citizens and not being punished (like Kate Stynly)
    Showing the corruption of the Federal government under Obama on a scale we have never seen before.

    Yea, complete idiot Trump must be. That OR you are still a complete moron. Yea, that's more likely, you are a moron still.

    1. Re:Pope Ratzo is a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Illegal criminals

      That Southern literacy rate is showing

    2. Re:Pope Ratzo is a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We both know he was referring to illegal immigrants committing violent crime, you just can't form a real response.

  23. It's an experiment! by Rastl · · Score: 1

    C'mon folks. We're not talking Future Crimes stuff here. They plugged in data, had statistical models run over it, and did some testing to see what happened.

    If there's a certain area where there is more reported crime then increasing police presence will help in reducing crime in that area. Of course there will be secondary effects such as underreported crime and criminals moving to other areas that aren't as heavily patrolled.

    The first effect - underreported crime - is something that can't be addressed since it relies on victims. That's going to happen regardless. It will skew the models used to predict where to send more patrols but in the long run it will even out.

    The second effect - crime moving elsewhere - will be addressed when spikes show up and the increased patrols are moved. Criminals won't enjoy having to guess where to commit crimes without getting arrested. When their 'safe areas' aren't safe any more then it will be interesting to see what the models predict.

    As for racial profiling? Is it profiling when only the crimes themselves are used as data points? If more crime is being committed in neighborhoods that are mostly purple Martians then I don't think it's profiling to say "Per the police reports more crimes are committed in neighborhoods that are mostly populated by purple Martians." It's a fact.

    If this leads to better use of limited resources (police patrols) and a reduction in crime then how is it a bad thing?

  24. US voting history - collaborations by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Politicians also know that vilifying their opponents is counterproductive because one day they may have to form a coalition with the party they're vilifying now. That means party relations are a lot less toxic than in the USA, and coalition governments spend less time dismantling the work of the previous coalition than is common in the US.

    I've also read somewhere that in the US, they used to have a time when the president and vice were the two topmost voted, no matter which party they come from (unlike nowadays, where each party sets up a candidate-president, and a candidate-vice, and the come together in the same package, depending on which top party was voted).

    I'm laughing trying to imagine an alternate reality where the US kept those law around, and Trump and Clinton were forced to work together (one being the vice president). Trolling that the other candidate is unqualified might a lot less successful strategy.

    Of course, it might be easier to laugh at such combo, when here around (Switzerland) we don't have a single head of state, but a seven headed hydra : the "head of executive power" is shared among a group of seven men and women.
    (There exist a label "President" that is passed around, but is only a label passed around with no political power. The power is indeed evenly shared among seven).
    These seven people HAVE to work together, despite different party backgrounds (usually they are from all over the spectrum)

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  25. patrolling on foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you know what has been proven time and time again to decrease crime? police officers getting their fat, donut eating asses out of their patrol cars and walking a beat like they used to!

    Now, let's hear from all the cops about how they can't do that any more. (due to the extra tonnage around their waists from the donuts no doubt)

  26. Hmmmm... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Guess we'll have to mix it up a bit, then! ;-)

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