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Facebook Finally Discloses Pro-Brexit Ads (techcrunch.com)

"The UK parliament has provided another telling glimpse behind the curtain of Facebook's unregulated ad platform by publishing data on scores of pro-Brexit adverts..." reports TechCrunch, adding that the 2016 ads "were run prior to Facebook having any disclosure rules for political ads. So there was no way for anyone other than each target recipient to know a particular ad existed or who it was being targeted at." An anonymous reader quotes their report: The targeting of the ads was carried out on Facebook's platform by AggregateIQ, a Canadian data firm that has been linked to Cambridge Analytica/SCL... [I]t's not clear how many ad impressions they racked up in all. But total impressions look very sizable. While some of what runs to many thousands of distinctly targeted ads which AIQ distributed via Facebook's platform are listed as only garnering between 0-999 impressions apiece, according to Facebook's data, others racked up far more views. Commonly listed ranges include 50,000 to 99,999 and 100,000 to 199,999 -- with even higher ranges like 2M-4.9M and 5M-9.9M also listed....

The publication of the Brexit ads is, above all, a reminder that online political advertising has been allowed to be a blackhole -- and at times a cesspit -- because cash-rich entities have been able to unaccountably exploit the obscurity of Facebook's systemically dark ad targeting tools for their own ends, and operate in a darkness where only Facebook had oversight (and wasn't exercising any), leaving the public no right of objection let alone reply, despite it being people's lives that are indelibly affected by political outcomes.... The company has been making some voluntary changes to offer a degree of political ad disclosure, as it seeks to stave off regulatory rule. Whether its changes -- which at best offer partial visibility -- will go far enough remains to be seen.

Earlier this month the UK's data watchdog released a report titled "Democracy disrupted?" in which the UK's Information Commissioner recommends an "ethical pause" of political advertising on social media to allow key players "to reflect on their responsibilities in respect to the use of personal data..." And this weekend an interim report from the House of Commons' media committee "said democracy is facing a crisis because the combination of data analysis and social media allows campaigns to target voters with messages of hate without their consent," according to the Associated Press.

"Tech giants like Facebook, which operate in a largely unregulated environment, are complicit because they haven't done enough to protect personal information and remove harmful content, the committee said."

165 comments

  1. AC Finally Discloses Premier Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bonjour m'ladies

    French toast

    1. Re: AC Finally Discloses Premier Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *tips fedora "

  2. More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brexit weakens the UK/Euro almost as much as Trump did himself - all of this means May is correct in her approach to staunch the damage, and Nigel and Trump both deserve summary execution by firing squad as nothing more than traitors.

    1. Re:More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Brexit weakens the UK/Euro almost as much as Trump did himself - all of this means May is correct in her approach to staunch the damage, and Nigel and Trump both deserve summary execution by firing squad as nothing more than traitors.

      While Trump's actions at Helsinki, where he blatantly offered aid and comfort to the enemy who attacked us could be called treason, without congress declaring war, I don't think your going to get anywhere.

      The correct remedy is impeachment.

      It is a pity republicans aren't interested in right or wrong and that should be a lesson. Anytime someone preaches about how wonderful and moral they are because have principles, be very wary. When the principles only exist when they serve their interest they are not principles, but rather signposts pointing out how morally bankrupt they are.

      The Brexit thing is a horrible shame, since I expect it wouldn't have happened without various corrupt and evil manipulations. People tend to be, by default out for themselves, and if you present something as giving them more of what they deserve, it often works, even if it is horribly short sighted.

      Regardless, it is good for people to learn how far down the rabbit hole it all went. I doubt they are suddenly going to say, hey, weren't we really better off in the EU, but one can hope. Our alliances and treaties are the foundation of a time of relative peace in much of the world. It aint perfect, but seeing them all decay to dust is scary, and I do not trust Mr. Trump or his successors to be able to put Humpty Dumpy back together again.

    2. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama overthrew the governments of Honduras, Libya and Ukraine, waged war in Yemen and invaded parts of Syria.

    3. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      References please. Tossing a pile of shit on the net with no citations works on Vox and cnn and msnbc message boards but here youâ(TM)re going to be challenged on it.

      But I will comment on some of your spew anyway.

      Threatening to nuke other countries: so did Kennedy. And so what? Sometimes it is necessary. Maybe we would be better off if obama had done that instead of giving aid and comfort to our enemies in Iran.

      NATO: our allies were told to uphold their end of the treaty. If they do not then there is no treaty. Why must we always be the World Patsy?

    4. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brainwashed.

      Kill yourself.

    5. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald Trump kicked my dog!!

    6. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "where he blatantly offered aid and comfort to the enemy who attacked us"

      You need mental help. Russia has never attacked the USA. What the fuck is wrong with you?

    7. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cold war grognard mentality + sour grapes over the election = endless fun

    8. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only question is, were you dropped as a child, or just exposed to a lot of lead paint?

    9. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald Trump ate my hamster!!

    10. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by johanw · · Score: 1

      Russia isn't the enemy of the US after the cold war, but warmongers like Hillary seem to forget that and threatened to start WW3 in Syria. Fortunartely she was not elected and the world survived.

    11. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by johanw · · Score: 1

      Hillary tried to eat my hamster but she nearly choked in her false teeth.

    12. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by shilly · · Score: 0

      I'm glad to see that like your wank-fantasty leader, you are big on projection. In this case, every sin you ascribe to the Iranians applies to the Russians too:
      - fucking hate us -- yup
      - want us dead -- from downing civilian airliners to poisoning Brits with novichok, yup
      - execute homosexuals and uppity women -- not so much executions, as allowing and sometimes committing hate crimes including murder on a huge scale, yup
      - and are the largest sponsor of terrorism around the world -- Putin has the dripping blood of Syrians, Ukrainians, Chechens and many others on his hands, and of course has more effectively attacked western democracies than any terrrorist group, so yup to this too

    13. Re:More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up, communist. The west is tired of your infection. Drop dead and rot in the dustbin of failed ideologies.

    14. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: only Kremlin apologists mention Syria or Libya.

    15. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by baristabrian · · Score: 0

      You can NOT reason with these stupid unhinged fuckers who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Why try? Anything that does not mesh with the One Approved Leftist Narrative is waved away with prejudice, smug arrogance and obvious ignorance.

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    16. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by baristabrian · · Score: 0

      To compare the AVERAGE Russian with the AVERAGE Iranian is to be expected from the typical retarded Leftist. Good luck with your retardation.

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    17. Re: More evidence Trump is just a planted cunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But Hillary!" detected.

  3. Rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all want to get rich, because only the rich get richer.

    Also, then you can influence the plebes.

  4. And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they paid for the ads, then they should be able to run them. The only thing is that they shouldn't be just given personal information by third parties. People should be paid for having their information disclosed and agree with whom it is disclosed exactly. I'm getting really tired of the lefts' compulsion to censor their political opponents. You will be punished.

    1. Re:And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And this is a problem why?

      Because they were a tissue of lies and half-truths.

    2. Re:And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Just like the anti-brexit ads?

    3. Re: And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this was a problem why?

      You aren't an infant. You ostensibly have the capacity to separate fact from fiction and critically analyze what people tell you, particularly when it's a fucking advertisement, you fucking imbecile.

    4. Re:And this is a problem why? by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, of course. But that's how it works. Interesting that in trying to bring up an inflammatory point to attempt to prove (perhaps more to yourself than anyone else) that there's some sort of "moral equivalence on both sides" you've latched onto an idea that nobody was even contesting. Yes, of course the anti-brexit ads were also the same sort of schadenfreude peddled by the exact same shills. That is how this works. They ramp up divisiveness by escalating irrational insecurities of every demographic with clever combinations of lies mixed with half-truths.

    5. Re: And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They weren't advertisements for Big Macs, they were political messages. There are different rules for those in the UK.

    6. Re:And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      "UK Parliament has provided" - in this case a report by a committee run and staffed with Remain supporting MPs that has been producing propaganda for a while now. This most recent example is part of an establishment campaign to force the UK to remain in the EU. The Remain campaign spent more, used more advertising, Russian bots produced more Remain posts on social media... all of which has been ignored by establishment media. All while we (the UK population) are subjected to endless apocalyptic stories about how food and medicine will run out, disease will run rampant if we have the temerity to actually enact a democratic decision to leave the EU.

      It really is quite disgraceful.

    7. Re:And this is a problem why? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      People should be paid for having their information disclosed and agree with whom it is disclosed exactly.

      Such a legislation is in as big a denial of reality as the copyright folks are.

      Information cannot be contained by mere legislation. The old saying, "information wants to be free", is more or less true. Collecting and Copying information costs so little, and it can be done so casually. Even if there was draconian legislation with totalitarian general writs, what you are trying to stop wouldn't be stopped.

      The genie was never in the bottle.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    8. Re:And this is a problem why? by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      It is the "campaigns" themselves that are the players. BREXIT comes up on a referendum and this creates a financial incentive, because some people/businesses are sure to significantly benefit from a BREXIT while other people/businesses are sure to be substantially hurt by a BREXIT.

      Depending on the stakes of he game, some issues will have an absurd amount of money being used to "campaign" for one side or the other. The amount of money spent "campaigning" is a good proxy for the stakes of the game.

      If a hundred million is being thrown at trying to stop a BREXIT then you can be sure that to the people throwing that kind of money around its worth a bit more than a hundred million to them.

      The real disgrace, I'd say, is that such an issue garners such high stakes. It indicates a vast amount of both past and future corruption.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    9. Re:And this is a problem why? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Numerous problems.

      Many of the ads were not identified properly as ads, and didn't give an indication who paid for them.

      They used deceptive competitions that users had no chance of winning (5 trillion to 1 odds) but which harvested their personal data. As you should know by now AggregateIQ is the same people as Cambridge Analytica.

      The various Leave campaign groups colluded and over-spent, which is illegal and some of the key people have been referred to the police by the Electoral Omission.

      Social media ads are not well regulated. For example, if the same ads had been shown on TV or on billboards they would likely have been blocked on the grounds that they were deceptive or outright lies. In the UK advertising must be truthful and not misleading, and there are additional requirements for political ads.

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    10. Re:And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were paid for with money that breached campaign spending limits, and from undisclosed sources.

      I know Americans think it's all about them, but Russia was funding election interference with Brexit via Arron Banks before anyone even knew Trump was going to be on the ballot. This shouldn't have been surprising given he is married to outed Russian spy Katia Zatuliveter, who had an affair with Mike Hancock the MP covering one of the UK's main naval bases, but it is what it is.

      The problem here therefore isn't simply that there were ads, but that there were ads run in secret, targeted using illegal misused of personal data, and using funding from foreign sources, and not disclosed as legally required under campaign spending laws.

    11. Re:And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh look, fake news advocate sees no problem with outright lies, its ok, they paid fir it.

      As for those on about the BBC and such being remain biased (if you ignore their pro-government bias), let's look at the most partisan printed press where 6 mainstream papers are right wing and pro-brexit?

      You're like brexiters harping on about democracy, completely ignoring the bias which causes 51% of voters to think that they'll get unicorns and that all problems caused by austerity are due to immigrants.

    12. Re:And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there are spending limits in UK elections.

    13. Re:And this is a problem why? by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      No. What anti-brexits ads were lies? (just remember to differentiate between lies and predictions)

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      "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
    14. Re: And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In new Trumpthink, anything that goes against your uninformed opinion is a lie.

    15. Re:And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "harmful content".. there isn't enough snark in the Universe to deconstruct that concept... paging Samuel L Jackson" -- Tyranny,mofo: DO YOU SPEAK IT?" those who wish to treat the rest of us as children should sd&stfu, lest we end them.
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    16. Re:And this is a problem why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Britain has very strict laws governing political advertising, that's why. The pro-Leave campaign has already been found to have broken those laws in at least one direction. Facebook may (or may not, I don't know) reveal another dimension of that violation.

  5. Facebook is in trouble by Kohath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because elites didn't get what they wanted in an election. We must immediately go back to centralized control of media, so elites can regain control of the information everyone has. The present situation is too democratic for them.

    1. Re:Facebook is in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are actually two groups of elites, competing. One of the groups you can see everyday around you, the other prefers mansions. We need Master Chief to solve this!

    2. Re:Facebook is in trouble by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Because elites didn't get what they wanted in an election.

      Jacob Reese-Mogg (Eaton then Oxford), owns an investment company (now HQ'd in Eurpoe post Article 51), worth about 50 million GBP. Not an elite.

      Boris Johnson (Eton the Oxford), rich enough to consider a 250,000GPB salary as "chicken feed". Not an elite.

      If you think the people running the Brexit shit-show are not elites then I have a bridge to sell you.

      We must immediately go back to centralized control of media, so elites can regain control of the information everyone has.

      Ah yes, like the Daily Torygraph. That pro-remain publication. Or the Daily Fail, that bastion of thruthiness. Or the sun that tiny irrelevance with the most readers.

      You're deluded and paranoid. What you are saying is not reality it's some perverse fantasy.

      The present situation is too democratic for them.

      Not really. The referendum was only an advisory one but is being treated as binding. If it was a binding referendum then legally they'd have to rerun it now due to the campaign fraud. But it was only advisory so they don't.

      So yes, election fraud is "too democratic".

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    3. Re:Facebook is in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. The referendum was only an advisory one but is being treated as binding. If it was a binding referendum then legally they'd have to rerun it now due to the campaign fraud. But it was only advisory so they don't.

      So yes, election fraud is "too democratic".

      This. It's not legally binding, but the Tories are acting like it was graven on stone tablets handed down from Mount Olympus by Churchill himself.

    4. Re:Facebook is in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the current situation is profoundly undemocratic:

      - The people voted for Brexit in a purely advisory vote 52% to 48% with no definition of what Brexit meant. Polling at the time showed that a majority of people supporting leave did not want hard Brexit, preferring EEA or Customs Union.

      - There was a subsequent general election in 2017 where 56% of the voting population voted for parties backing soft or no Brexit

      - There have been local elections in 2018 which despite supposedly being about local issues are a consistent indicator of national sentiment, and saw no-Brexit and soft-Brexit parties getting a combined 60%+ portion of the vote, and support for hard Brexit parties such as UKIP collapsing into nothingness.

      - Polling hasn't at any point shown a majority of support for hard Brexit, the majority of support in the last 2 years has consistently been for soft Brexit, and in recent months, against Brexit altogether.

      Yet, we have a minority government bolstered with a £1bn bribe to the political wing of a terrorist organisation dictating hard Brexit all because of 80 vocal MPs like Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg shouting the loudest.

      And you want to claim the current situation is too democratic? Really? The current situation is dictatorship by a minority and nothing more, it has literally no democratic mandate whatsoever, just because you support it doesn't make it democratic.

      There should be an obvious clue in the fact the same people (Rees-Mogg, Johnson et. al.) backed by people like you are against a vote on the final deal - if you really believed in democracy you'd agree to allow democracy to decide the fate of our nation, instead you stand bitterly against it whilst pretending to be a defender of democracy despite not wanting real actual democracy and arguing for something that has no democratic mandate.

      You're a classic authoritarian in the same vein as the likes of Kim Jong-Un with his "Democratic" People's Republic - you're arguing that you're a defender of democracy, whilst not being willing to accept the only outcomes that currently have a democratic mandate - soft Brexit, or if another vote was held, almost certainly no Brexit at all, and in fact arguing against another vote because despite professing to be a defender of democracy you hate the idea of it in practice, because you know you'll lose.

      At this point there's literally no justification not to have a vote on the final Brexit deal - if Hard Brexiters are as confident as they profess to be and win and people vote for hard Brexit, they cement that outcome and there's no more questions, if soft Brexit wins, that's not a surprise, because it's what there's been a democratic mandate for all along, and if people change their minds and remain wins because people have now had chance to see in more detail what Brexit looks like and means in practice, then, well, people are allowed to change their minds, because that's what real actual democracy looks like - not your "I've got my way, so no more votes ever" dictatorship bullshit.

    5. Re: Facebook is in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd settle for Master Chef at this point.

  6. give it a rest by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1, Troll

    Yes, every single political development that "progressives' don't like is actually caused by nefarious activities (which noted reactionaries like tech executives of course happily signed on to).

    You could never, you know, just lose ...

    1. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The trouble with the you just lost argument is that in order for progressives, who have the greater good of the greatest number of people, as opposed to their opponents who are in favor of policies that tend to be for the greatest good of a small minority of lucky or wealthy (or both) people and necessarily and unavoidably to the DETRIMENT of the greatest number of people, to LOOSE, in a system like ours where, at least in theory, policy is made by people chosen by the GREATEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE, either the system is being rigged, (why would people vote AGAINST their own interests, unless they are crazy, or stupid or maybe both,) or... OR... they are loosing legitimately because... the greatest number of people have been conned, tricked, or duped into, yes, VOTING AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS, which implies one or three disturbing possibilities:
       
      The greatest number of people are A-crazy, B-stupid, or C-BOTH.

      Hence our frustration with a system in which the right of the government to govern comes from the (alleged) consent of the people, and yet in election after election, they are somehow choosing, CHOOSING, to get bent over a barrel and screwed, forcibly, violently, without lubricant, or even the courtesy of wine, flowers, or a kiss first.

      It is like watching a kid playing with matches, burning himself, dropping the still lit match into his own lap, crying, sucking his thumb, then realizing his dick is on fire, jumping up and running around and screaming, crying some more, sitting down, seeing the pack of matches, instantly forgetting what just happened, and pulling out another match and lighting it. You are watching this helplessly, are told you CANNOT take the matches away, the kid gets resentful if you call him a moron, calls you elitist if you tell him for his own sake to put the fucking matches away, and you know, sooner or later, he is going to burn the fucking house down.

    2. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

      - C.S. Lewis

      Yes, he's talking about progressives.

    3. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you follow that reasoning to its ultimate conclusion, then democracy has to be abandoned, and replaced by an authoritarian political class which dictates social and economic policy.

      Does that system sound like any failed states you remember from history?

      The people who wrote the founding documents of the US were in fact considering this problem. They realized that a pure democracy could be dangerous, since 6 people of 10 can vote to kill the other 4. But at the same time, the democratic will of the governed needs to be expressed to some extent.

      So they created a compromise system with some democratic and some representative elements, and added explicit safeguards to limit what the government could do even if people like the modern day "progressives" were in charge. We see that system damaged and failing now, but hey, lasting for over two centuries in some recognizable form isn't bad for a political entity.

    4. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The SJW cant win a vote so they make push to make the results illegal.

      "SJW", a modern synonym for "people I don't like".

      People all over the UK voted to exit the EU.

      People all over the UK voted to remain too. What's your point?

      The gov of the UK respected that vote and moved to exit the EU.

      Ah, "respected', the Brexiteers' favourite thought terminating cliché. What's respectful about purposefully deceiving the electorate for your own ends, hiding where your funding comes from and then voting opposite to your constituents' wishes?

      I don't know why they even bother submitting UK-centric articles on slashdot any more. Half of the comments are the now-obligatory Trump ones, and the other half are from Americans who don't have the first fucking clue about what's happening here but can't resist commenting anyway.

    5. Re: give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It ended over 100 years ago when women banned men marrying girls. Since then men have been as desperate as dogs ( and proud of being so)

    6. Re:give it a rest by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Its called democracy. "People all over the UK voted to remain too" did not win the needed vote.
      How can an open and free vote be "deceiving" AC? People all over the UK went to vote and the vote result was to not stay in the EU.
      Re "voting opposite to your constituents' wishes"
      The democratic vote count as a result was to "exit" the EU AC.

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    7. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much this. Mostly because in a straight up vote, progressives and EU style technocrats always lose and they need something to blame it on.

    8. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its called democracy. "People all over the UK voted to remain too" did not win the needed vote. How can an open and free vote be "deceiving" AC? People all over the UK went to vote and the vote result was to not stay in the EU.

      First of all, it wasn't an open vote because UK citizens living abroad, as well as Gibraltans, i.e. the people who will be most affected by the outcome were denied a vote, but that's beside the point. The deception was intentionally and systematically lying about the consequences of leaving or remaining. That's not democracy, that's a sham; having ill-informed voters is one thing, but having mis-informed voters is quite another, and that's before we even get into the issue of how many funding rules were broken in the campaign.

      Re "voting opposite to your constituents' wishes" The democratic vote count as a result was to "exit" the EU AC.

      It was an advisory referendum, yet we still saw significant numbers of MPs voting leave in the commons despite their constituencies having quite large majorities of remain voters. Most notably the DUP who, as it happens, spent large sums of money on political adverts promoting leave in publications that aren't even available in their constituencies. When you have a representative democracy where representatives don't represent their constituents, that's not democracy.

      Whatever happens this won't end well for the union: the Scots have had about as much as they will stand of Westminster ignoring them and NI won't be far behind either.

    9. Re: give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      It is so weird how when the left wins the voters have seen the light and did the smart thing because voters are so brilliant and educated and blah blah blah but when the socialists lose it is only because of bad messaging and stupid voters who need more brainwashing. Weird. So odd. How can thins be? Lol

      Maybe. Just maybe, the voters like being British and not being told what to do by unelected pricks in Brussels?

      Nah, who would not want unelected Brussels bureaucrats telling them what to do in every aspect of their lives?

      The only thing worse would be to have the guns, knives, and soon sharp spoons taken away. Because the gun and knife bans obviously lowered the crime rates. Oh wait. They did not.

      You know so many things. All of them wrong.

    10. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The irony is that the same "progressives" are the champions of foreign influence.

      They use a network of foundations to launder money and donate to causes via shell foundations. There are loads of small foundations that seem to be doing nothing but passing on donations from larger ones, so those can finance projects with less scrutiny.

    11. Re:give it a rest by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC re "denied a vote". People all over the UK could vote in free and fair election over the question of the EU and the EU controlling the UK.
      AC re "consequences of leaving" Not stating in the UK was the result people voted for.
      AC "not democracy" Getting to vote on an issue is a "democracy" AC.

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    12. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whenever a Liberal doesn't know what to do, they always redefine words to mean the opposite of what everybody else thinks they mean.

    13. Re:give it a rest by Zumbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What does 'SJW' have to do with this? If people all over the UK voted to exit the EU, a lot of these are also likely to be 'SJW's ... or is ACs claim that 'SJW' is actually just a bucket for 'people you don't like' (because you look to be a pro-Brexiter) actually an astute observation?

      Disclaimer: I'm not a UK citizen, nor do I live there. So it is not up to me to decide on Brexit. I am, however, baffled at the incompetence of leading Tory politicians, regardless of their stance on Brexit.

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    14. Re:give it a rest by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 0

      Wow, so: if people do not vote progressive, they are being idiots, or the system is rigged. There are no other possibilities. Because you progressives could not possible be wrong... Hence your frustration with a system that allows those people to make the "wrong" choices. No, I think you just confirmed cascadingstylesheet's point very nicely.

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    15. Re:give it a rest by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      It's like those progressive European politicians who decry a system where only the rich have access to politicians are only corporations can pay for lobbyists... then go and have lunch with Soros.

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    16. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, a lot from the left, which you term SJW, voted to the leave the EU.

    17. Re: give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're ignoring the Kremlin's influence: all the bots like yourself promoting Brexit, not to mention the Russian money funnelled into the campaign via people like Aaron Banks.

    18. Re: give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get real. Progressives ALWAYS support the interests of the financial nobility at the expense of the commoners.

    19. Re: give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      False. Not all UK residents could vote, including my wife. Literally millions (more than the percentage required to swing the vote to remain) of UK residents could not vote on the referendum as they were not UK citizens. Roughly one million hard working UK residents are EU citizens from countries like Poland, France, Germany, etc.

    20. Re: give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/may/26/foreign-born-uk-population

      This is a little old (2011) but provides some insight into the reality of the immigrant population of the UK which has ALWAYS been an island nation of immigrants living in fear of invasion...

    21. Re: give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite all over the UK. Roughly 52 percent voted to leave which seems like a very close run contest but the geographical breakdown was much more one-sided than the overall result. Scottish voters were the most unhappy I think.

    22. Re: give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, just look at the in-fighting that has happened within parties on both sides of the UK house. Brexit was not a left or right issue. It's so important that all UK parties should form a temporary 'war time' like coalition to provide parliament with more power to decide what is best for the UK without the constant distraction of the usual bollocks politicians engage in against each other.

    23. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disclaimer: I'm not a UK citizen, nor do I live there. So it is not up to me to decide on Brexit.

      Well, I am in the UK, and (I think) quite familiar with the political situation here. And I can assure you that, as the GP said, the SJWs - i.e. a faction with an emphasis on identity politics, feminism, anti-imperialism, socialist economics and policing speech - were heavily pro-Remain, and even after the referendum, vocally lobby against Brexit taking place.

      (I, myself, was also pro-Remain - but I consider the SJWs, ultimately, to be a greater threat to our democracy than any form of Brexit.)

    24. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes exactly, it's called progressivism for a reason - the "progress" bit of the word should highlight the point. Progress is better for everyone as it leads to more rights, more freedoms, a happier, healthier, wealthier life.

      So yes, you're exactly right, if people don't vote progressive they're idiots.

      The only way progressives can be wrong is if it's for some reason preferable to go back to a feudal dark age mentality, and whilst I appreciate that's popular with ISIS, I'd have hoped we're better than that in the West, but maybe we're not - certainly most Trump/Brexit supporters seem to be hard line Christians - same shit as ISIS, different religion, but regardless, it doesn't change the fact that people fighting progress are fucking idiots who are simply delaying the inevitable, and history has shown that those who fight it most get left behind, those who role with it reap the rewards.

    25. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was likely talking about the people that suggested he stopped taking such a "close interest" in very young girls.

    26. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously you don't understand the human race. The correct answer is 'C'.

      And yes, Progressive busybodies still suck. Humans like playing with matches.

    27. Re: give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't let citizens of other countries vote in their referendum? Oh noez!!

      I for one am really cheesed off the French don't allow Americans to vote in their elections. If only they would allow us to vote, they would have the best prime minister ever: Pepe Le Pew.

    28. Re:give it a rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's true, but since the referendum a majority of people have consistently voted against hard Brexit, yet that's what we're getting, so what we have now is NOT democracy.

      The idea that because one side of an argument wins one broad undefined vote at some point in history gives them the right to override all future democratic opinion is called dictatorship, yet that's exactly what Brexiters, the Rees-Moggs, the Boris Johnson's of the world want when they refuse to accept soft Brexit, the only Brexit with a democratic mandate, and when they refuse further democracy such as vote on the final deal. They only back democracy when it suits them - when they win one single vote years ago, and not every other result and poll that has come since, nor another democratic vote to clarify what type of Brexit we want (if we still want it at all).

      Democracy doesn't mean running an election or referendum once until you get your way then denying all future votes or ignoring the outcomes of them, democracy is an ongoing process when moods can change, and never at any point has there ever been a majority of support for hard Brexit.

      Call it what you will but what you're defending is NOT democracy, so that's the one thing you can't call it. It's not democracy until the democratic process is restored and we're either given the soft Brexit there's a current mandate for, or another referendum is run to fight for a hard Brexit, or no Brexit at all. Until that happens the status quo is nothing but dictatorship and a hijacking of democracy by a handful of wannabe dictators like Johnson and Rees-Mogg who is only a small moustache away from being the literal embodiment of Hitler, both politically and visually.

    29. Re: give it a rest by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      UK citizens got to vote AC. Their vote was counted.

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  7. And the BBC? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 2

    Has the BBC (funded by a mandatory TV license) been a neutral news source during and since the Brexit campaign?

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    1. Re:And the BBC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Given how much airtime was given to Nigel Farage, no it hasn't.

    2. Re:And the BBC? by mfearby · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The BBC gave more air-time to Remainers than it did to Brexiteers, and its editorial line was unashamedly anti-Brexit. Just because you evidently disagreed with Nigel Farage, his participation as the token Brexit voice on air, rudely interrupting your daily stream of EU propaganda, doesn't even bring the BBC's coverage closer to a neutral stance (from its clear Remain bias). If another referendum were held soon on Brexit, the vote would be confirmed, and the margin only widened. Bring it on, I say. Pro-EU supporters need another lesson in democracy, I think.

    3. Re:And the BBC? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      I haven't seen any evidence that they weren't, why?

      What makes you think they weren't.

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    4. Re:And the BBC? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Problem being that it would only deepen their anti-democratic tendencies which are already clearly pronounced. Considering the cultural fracturing going on in UK right now, it would be extremely dangerous to push yet another large voting block to cement their clear anti-democratic biases.

    5. Re:And the BBC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The BBC gave more air-time to Remainers than it did to Brexiteers"

      Could you provide data to back up your assertion?

    6. Re:And the BBC? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The BBC gave more air-time to Remainers than it did to Brexiteers, and its editorial line was unashamedly anti-Brexit.

      I doubt the former. And it also uncritically repeated the Brexiter's outright lies, like the 350 million per week. The Brexit camp knew it was a lie, the BBC new it was a lie, but in the interests of "neutrality" they simply repeated the lie because that was what the Brexit campaign had.

      Just because you evidently disagreed with Nigel Farage

      Ah yes, pointing out obvious, well known lies is now merely "disagreeing". Right-o.

      Pro-EU supporters need another lesson in democracy, I think.

      That'll be why the exit campaign seems a little tied up in campaign fraud. Is that the lesson? That it doesn't matter if you win legally or not, the only thing that counts is winning?

      Is that "brexit democracy"?

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    7. Re:And the BBC? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      It's no coincidence that they showed Farage a lot. That's the tactic we see on our "unbiased" state sponsored TV as well: where they disagree, they tend to give most airtime to loudmouth populists like Farage and Wilders as opposed to more reasonable people in the same camp, who can actually argue their point politely and eloquently. Same with the "man in the street" interviews, the difference between people with left and right viewpoints shown is striking, and that has everything to do with selection in the editing room.

      For the record I think that Brexit is a big mistake. But perhaps not as big as the Remainers make it out to be. And why are only pro-Brexit ads being reported on, surely there have been equally inane Remain ads? I remember when we got to vote in a referendum on the EU constitution. When the vote went against, the pro-EU camp decried false ads as well, and claimed those voting against did so out of "emotional considerations" rather than rational ones, while they themselves put out ads equally designed to play on our emotions. We even had our own prime minister appear on TV and state: "If you vote against, the lights will go out and we will have war". In issues like these it would be nice to see some more nuanced argument in the press, on both sides.

      And the funny thing? Between politicians slinging mud at each other and trying to appeal to our baser insincts, a great many people actually stopped to take the time and trouble to educate themselves on the issue at hand. Maybe people aren't as dumb as they're made out to be sometimes.

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    8. Re:And the BBC? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Some people regard not fully supporting Brexit and whatever half baked, competent mess the government is doing this week as literal treason for which people should be prosecuted.

      Given that, merely reporting factual information or offering a balanced view on Brexit equates to far leftist bias from the BBC.

      The funny thing is that there is actually a lot of criticism of the BBC from the left, particularly certain interviewers who don't really hold government ministers to account, e.g. John Humphries.

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    9. Re:And the BBC? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Do you have any idea how many times Nigel Farage has been on Question Time? It's more than his fair share.

      Actually your comment reminds me of an audience member on QT, who was complaining that the BBC only shows dumb people supporting leave and it makes them all look like delusional idiots. Once he heard himself say it out loud even he couldn't help laughing.

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    10. Re:And the BBC? by lyovushka · · Score: 1

      Left accuses BBC of right wing bias. Right accuses BBC of left wing bias. I think this means that BBC is pretty neutral.

    11. Re:And the BBC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure.

    12. Re:And the BBC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whilst skipping over the £9m propaganda leaflet of course. "Doubting the former"? Here's the data.

    13. Re:And the BBC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data shows otherwise. Actually counted air time.

    14. Re: And the BBC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Excellent question. The BBC seems to swing towards whatever government and policies are more powerful at the time, before brexit the remain vote was expected to win so the BBC was pro-remain but after the decision to leave was a surprise vote, it's taken time to shift to giving more air-time to promoting leaving the EU as a positive move. Hard brexit is a hard sell though so they're easing the population into it by pushing a soft-brexit success for May and her cronies.

    15. Re: And the BBC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Civitas? Right wing think tank born of the right wing Institute of Economic Affairs.

    16. Re:And the BBC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The BBC gave more air-time to Remainers than it did to Brexiteers, and its editorial line was unashamedly anti-Brexit.

      I doubt the former. And it also uncritically repeated the Brexiter's outright lies, like the 350 million per week. The Brexit camp knew it was a lie, the BBC new it was a lie, but in the interests of "neutrality" they simply repeated the lie because that was what the Brexit campaign had.

      The BBC were strongly biased, a simple look at Question Time guests would show that.

      Pro-EU supporters need another lesson in democracy, I think.

      That'll be why the exit campaign seems a little tied up in campaign fraud. Is that the lesson? That it doesn't matter if you win legally or not, the only thing that counts is winning?

      A fraud case that has been shown to be a sham? Not only was Remain far worse without the slightest investigation, the so called leave "investigation" refused to allow the leave case to defend itself and only has the weakest of evidence.

      CAPTCHA - "mislead". Seems accurate.

    17. Re:And the BBC? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      No. and its very sad that a one great institution should fall so far.
      The BBC news used to be incredibly anal about being strictly impartial and just reporting facts, These days, even the news has become very clearly left-leaning and have anti-brexit tendencies. They've also replaced reporting facts and leaving the listener to decide, with editorials and opinion pieces wherever they can cram them in. VERY troubling.

  8. Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah not because of Cambridge Analytica and Russian collusion, because of your "elites" bullshit theory and pizzagate, cuz you say so? Kohath has zero credibility from now on, noted.

    1. Re:Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kohath believes Brexit was a by-and-for The People grassroots campaign with no "elite" backing and is a monumental fucking idiot.

    2. Re:Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go outside!

    3. Re:Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Kohath · · Score: 2

      Don't be silly. Posts on message boards don't have credibility. Never did, never will.

    4. Re:Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obama using social media in 2012? Groundbreaking and innovative https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

        Trump doing the same thing in 2016? Congressional hearings!

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    5. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putin doing the same thing in 2016? Congressional hearings!

      FTFY

    6. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes because $100k of FB ads changed an election where BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WERE SPENT BY BOTH SIDES.

      You are an idiot and need to remove yourself from the gene pool before you breed.

    7. Re:Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      It's pretty much factual that one side had overwhelming amount of elites in that negotiation, while other had barely any.

      This is evident in the fact that aristocratic class can afford to maintain the Project Fear to this day, and effectively took over the Brexit negotiations process entirely to provide a "Brexit without exiting EU" which is what May appears to be working toward. If balance within the aristocratic class on each side was even roughly even, such blatantly undemocratic action would have never been allowed to occur.

      Like or hate Brexit all you want. You cannot reasonably argue that the path in which British elites managed it is in any way, shape or form what was being voted for. And that is what democratic mandate is for. Actually following the will of the people, even if your class privilege puts this against your interests. The entire point of direct democracy is to put constraints on power of elites and people closely aligned with them to influence policy to the point where you have aristocracy rather than democracy.

      I use those words in their accurate definition. Arestos - elites, "the excellent ones". Demos - the people, "the entirety of the peoples". Cracy suffix - system of rule by [prefix].

    8. Re:Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well he sure got taught a lesson by a couple of random anonymous dildos! They really refuted his points by attacking him personally! I sure am fucking convinced! Thank you, totally honest and forthright anonymous dickhead for saving democracy for us poor stupid easily-influenced sheep!

    9. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $100k of FB ads?

      Why that figure? Is that all Putin spent on the US election? You've left out Twitter, and every other web forum out there from the Arkansas Weekly Lynchmob to the Washington Post? Does that include the cost of the psychological conditioning of Donald Trump or the Brexit spend?

    10. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you've laughably been brainwashed by actual elites into calling "Project Fear", the rest of us understand to be reality. Without pandering to your prejudice, I will note factually that Brexit has already destroyed parliamentary sovereignty (so called " Henry VIII powers") and the integrity of the parliamentary voting system (breaking pairing agreements), the basis of representative democracy in the UK, and the one thing the lemming faction claimed they were trying to protect. It's autocracy all the way now thanks to the useful idiots.

    11. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      "Project Fear" is widely accepted name for the remain campaign, as it was pointedly all about spreading unsubstantiated fear about Brexit consequences, none of which have come to pass.

      The rest of your argument is literally "aristocracy is better than democracy because side I like lost the democratic vote, but is widely supported by aristocracy". In this regard, you completely reinforce my point.

    12. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Arkansas Weekly Lynchmob"

      That must be the newsletter of the Arkansas Democrat party?

    13. Re:Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Posts on message boards don't have credibility. Never did, never will.

      Your posts, sure. Just because you have no credibility doesn't mean no one else does, though.

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    14. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Project Fear" was coined during the Scottish independence referendum, and later adopted by various parts of the elite-run Brexit supporting press for propaganda purposes. I'm having a hard time twisting my mind into the pretzel required to understand your "no democracy is better than democracy because it's democratic" argument, I suspect it's a similar to Popplers paradox of "tolerating intolerance", but since your whole worldview sits on the lie you were fed regarding the UKs sovereignty as part of the EU, I can't expect you to form a rational position.

    15. Re:Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Would have been okay if it had actually been Trump. It's the fact that Russia was campaigning on his behalf that is the problem.

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    16. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      You cannot have problems understanding it, because I pre-emptively removed this potential for misunderstanding by providing specific and accurate definitions for the terminology.

      It was also a trap for ideological trolling. Which you nicely fell into.

    17. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you're an accounted troll spouting gibberish.

    18. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      And now that you're unmasked, you just go full retard. Nice.

    19. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Brexit consequences, none of which have come to pass

      People keep saying this shit. None of it has come to pass YET because Brexit hasn't happened YET!

    20. Re: Kohath's credibility is in trouble. by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Except that, of course, Project Fear made wide sweeping claims of immediate consequences upon just getting the Brexit voting result.

  9. "has been linked"? by superwiz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, this "has been linked" nonsense has to end. Largest investment banks are "linked" to the SEC because the professionals who understand banking well-enough to regulate banks have a very high chance of having worked for some of the banks. The mathematicians and other analysts who work for data analysis companies do change jobs. And this produces links between different data analytics firms.

    It doesn't matter that you don't like what one of them has done. All firms within all professions, which require narrow expertise, are linked because people switch jobs.

    What's the alternative? Top experts at the top firms becoming unemployable? Shall we just revert to cast system? How would news organizations like it if it was done to them? They are doing it to everyone else.

    Let's give it a try. CNN, which is linked to Fox News, has reported that blah, blah, blah.

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    1. Re:"has been linked"? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Every single news agency on the planet is linked to IS, and their torture and murder of civilians.

      When measuring stick produces outcomes this absurd when applied universally, said measuring stick is useless.

    2. Re:"has been linked"? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Seriously, this "has been linked" nonsense has to end.

      This is called a "summary". It's a short description of the more detailed findings. If you want to know the exact nature of the link, you should read the reports.

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    3. Re:"has been linked"? by superwiz · · Score: 1

      No, it's called a summary. It's called a "mischaracterization".

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    4. Re:"has been linked"? by superwiz · · Score: 1

      **not** called a summary... damn it slashdot... the only social platform without an edit feature.

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    5. Re:"has been linked"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, "top experts at top firms should become unemployable" if those experts choose to work at firms who are obviously doing super sleazy, illegal things.

      One of the criteria for me working for a firm is that they aren't total shitbags. I've had to turn down a lot of money to take an ethical stance, and I don't see why I should shed a tear that people who were happy to keep their heads down and help perpetrate crimes might find it hard to find jobs in the sector they brought into disrepute.

      If a doctor is doing illegal, unethical stuff I'm happy with him never practicing medicine again. Same for a lawyer, a postman, a tradesman, a data analyst, reporter... doing unconscionable things SHOULD be a significant risk to one's career.

    6. Re:"has been linked"? by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Right. Except as soon as you quit your job because your firm is doing something sleazy, you'll become unemployable (according to your own standard).

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  10. Let's not forget Council and other Local Elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So these elections were interferred with via Facebook because parasites like Facebook were happy to be bought and sold. Time to begin slinging anti-democratic facists like Zukerburg in jail - where they belong.

  11. Just in time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...right before they start having an impact. Thanks for being on the ball everyone

  12. I Hate Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google was recently fined $5B by the EU over its anti-competitive practices in Android, namely forcing OEMs to use Google search and Google apps and not allowing them to fork Android.

    What Facebook (et al.) did was far, far more dangerous. Facebook's damage was not just preventing other companies from profiting; rather, Facebook damaged voters from making informed decisions. Both in Brexit and in the US Trump election. Both of those elections may have had different results if not for Facebook's wrongdoings.

    Facebook needs to be broken up. Or at least fined out of existence. Mark Zuckerberg is the worst.

    1. Re: I Hate Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about going full tilt 1984 and big brother just takes over all social media platforms directly so that the commercial gain is removed and the outright spying on our every move and subtle mind games are brought front and centre? Then lock up any defectors who leave the platform and make it socially unfashionable to live outside the system.

  13. Because its treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *They* in this case is "The Internet Research Agency", a Russian troll factory intended to disrupt democracies and place puppet candidates in power. Why should *they*, the Russians, be allowed to interfere in democracy without repercussions?

    When a candidate visits Russia, asks his Russian friends for help in his election bid, and then a lot of electronic chatter over the plans for that help are recorded. He then later goes on to announce his bid, and his Russian friends hack and troll and leverage Facebook against its users, then why should that be OK?

    I get it, he's your guy. You're either a far right nutter or a Russian troll. He's collectively "your" guy. And when US troops are put under Russian Generals, you'll tell yourself its only the 'left' that object to this. Or your Russian boss will tell you to tweet that.

    Brexit poll was supposed to be decided by Brits. Not Russians. It's not whether *Russia* thinks its in *Russia's* best interests for Britain to leave the EU, its for *Brits* to decide if Britain's best interests are for Britain to leave the EU.

    Likewise, it's not for Russia to decide that Trump would be the President who best serves Russia's agenda, it's for Americans.

    And for parties to seek help from Russia to rig elections, hack voting machines, hack emails of opponents, that's treason.

    1. Re:Because its treason by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Why should *they*, the Russians, be allowed to interfere in democracy without repercussions?

      Because the alternative — not "allowing" the Russians or anyone else to do "ads" for one reason or another — means that every platform has to be policed by minders from end to end, and those minders will have the means to persecute whomever exhibits sufficient wrongthink when they advertise their views. You're turning all discourse, legitimate or otherwise, into a minefield for anyone that doesn't have an establishment escort, all because you think you lost something in an election.

      I get it

      No, you don't. No amount of ruination is too much to "fix" the outcomes you're not happy with, beginning with polluting your own mind with fictional conspiracies. At some point it's going to dawn on you that the real problem is the damn voters and the fact that they can still vote.

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    2. Re:Because its treason by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Shorter you: "The world isn't perfect, so don't take any steps to improve anything. (Because the cheaters were on my side, so ha-ha)"

      Not impressed.

  14. less than average intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People seem to be forgetting that by definition half the population has below average intelligence. Studies show that people with below average intelligence have greater difficulty researching the truth of any statement and are more susceptible to misinformation. Given this it only makes sense to regulate the presentation of ads, which by definition are designed to sway opinion by appealing to biases at least half the population doesn't know they have.

    1. Re:less than average intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is truth if both left and right arguments are postmodernist clickbait trash? #walkaway

    2. Re: less than average intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IQ test results follow a Gaussian distribution.

  15. Re:Russia is laughing at us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And why would the elites want Europe divided? They're spending everything they've got on pushing their one-world-government agenda, but somehow they'd want to undo that? Makes no sense.

  16. Progressives or patriots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia won the cold war. They seized power over the keystone democracy, USA, using the division, and the help of a few traitors.
    They divided Europe with the help of a few traitors and an adds platform that's been busy selling everyone's secrets to Putin's troll factory.

    Is this "progressives" that object to this? Or is it "patriots"?

    Do you defend your country, or do you sell it out for short term help in a vote?

    1. Re: Progressives or patriots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Preach, Comrade Wang, preach!

    2. Re:Progressives or patriots? by johanw · · Score: 0

      I defend my country by not letting the warmongers destroy it in a (potential nuclear) war with Russia. Fortunately one of the most important warmongers who wanted to start attacking Russia in Syria lost the 2016 US presidential election.

    3. Re: Progressives or patriots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2016's choice was to intentially get into a way or to accidentally get into a war.

      I hope the world sanctions the US and cuts us out of international affairs, we're so fucking bad at it.

  17. It's still happening... by Richard+Kirk · · Score: 1

    I am still getting links to "Financial experts agree that the Euro may crash in months", "Analysts say EU likely do break up on the next decade", and stuff like that. No citations, no experts that I've ever heard of. And why are they targeting a strong European like me with this junk? unless they are sending it to everyone.

  18. tsunami in a teacup by Idisagree · · Score: 1

    There's really no excuse for Vote Leave to target Facebook users during Brexit...

    It's actually unbelievable how anyone could think they had a right to get their message out there to the people, especially in such a modern democratic society with an allowance for a multitude of different viewpoints...oh wait

    1. Re:tsunami in a teacup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Noone critizes a political campaign involving social media.

      What's at the center of those investigations is, that those ads weren't declared as political ads and they were filled with lies

  19. If you think this is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wait to watch the biased media!

  20. Sure Ivan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But Trump will hang for treason either way.

  21. Re:Russia is laughing at us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The call to nationalism and protectionism is that of the fascists and authoritarians, who thrive on fear and hatred, and prey on black and white thinking. They blame all woes on "outsiders", and call those who oppose them "elites". This cycle has happened before, and it will happen again.

  22. Re:Nope. Lowest unemployment for Blacks was... by johanw · · Score: 1

    F*ucking slave owners, without them there would not be so many blacks in the western countries.

  23. Re:Nope. Lowest unemployment for Blacks was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That may be a consequence of individualism and a rather undeveloped country back then. Had they had a collective solution to blacks employment i.e. prison camps and gulags rather than ownership by individual masters, then they would have had to close the gulag and when you close the gulag sometimes you dismantle everything in it, carefully raze it so that there is nothing left, and no one left.

  24. I'll leave this here for the grown-ups... by Tanon · · Score: 1

    ...who are actually interested in hearing the other side of the argument. Fortunately, British politics isn't quite as exciting as the OP sets out. Some relevant info on:

    The pro-Remain journalist spearheading the investigation into the Leave campaign The pro-Remain MP in charge of the DCMS committee Evidence of the Remain campaign doing exactly what the Leave campaign have been accused of, only to a much greater extent The government body in charge of regulating elections and referenda The guy in charge of the Leave campaign

    For those less inclined towards actually verifying facts, the TLDR:

    • Of the elected politicians in the UK, 73% voted to Remain, despite only 48% of the general population of the UK voting the same way, with the figure for the unelected upper house likely much higher
    • In London, where the vast majority of the important public bodies are, on average, 60% of people voted to Remain. In some places it was as high as 70%. Note, this includes all of the major broadcasters and media, government bodies, regulators, big business etc.
    • Since the referendum, the vast majority of British people have respected the outcome, as shown in most polls and it's only a hard core of Eurofanatics, in the right positions, that have pretended to accept the result, while conspiring to prevent the mandate being fulfilled i.e returning control of laws, borders and money and - quelle surprise - are now actively trying to invalidate it altogether.
  25. we should probably regulate advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not just political advertisement, but all advertisement should be carefully monitored and regulated. People have a right to know of the mass disinformation that routinely passes as advertisement.

  26. CAn someone please explain by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    What actually is wrong with pro-Brexit ads?
    As I recall there were also plenty of remain ad campaigns, yet apparently no-one is complaining about those.
    Why the double-standard and why the incorrect presumption that anything pro-brexit somehow self-evidently justifies being stifled?

  27. Why is targeted advertising a problem, again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides the obvious privacy-breaching and general creepiness of it all, what's the political advantage?

    I've always seen targeted advertising as a waste of money.

    If you target people who are most likely to support you, all you accomplish is reaffirming decisions the people were already going to make before you advertised to them. In other words, you're preaching to the choir. What value is there in that?

    If you target people who are least likely to support you, all you accomplish is annoying the people who already hated you before you shoved an ad in their face. In other words, you're attempting to sell condoms to priests. What value is there in that?

    I don't see how targeting pro-Brexiters with pro-Brexit ads is changing anything at all on the political landscape. I also don't imagine any anti-Brexiters would change their mind based off a Facebook advertisement. You'd think it would take a LOT more than just that to change a person's mind once it's already been made up.

    All I see is big companies pissing away money because they don't have anything better to do with it. Could a marketing or psychology expert maybe fill in the blanks for me, because I feel like I'm missing something critical, here.

  28. Cambridge Anal-ytica is dead... by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    ...long live Oxford Vaginal-ytica

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