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As Google Maps Renames Neighborhoods, Residents Fume (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: For decades, the district south of downtown and alongside San Francisco Bay here was known as either Rincon Hill, South Beach or South of Market. This spring, it was suddenly rebranded on Google Maps to a name few had heard: the East Cut. The peculiar moniker immediately spread digitally, from hotel sites to dating apps to Uber, which all use Google's map data. The name soon spilled over into the physical world, too. Real-estate listings beckoned prospective tenants to the East Cut. And news organizations referred to the vicinity by that term.

"It's degrading to the reputation of our area," said Tad Bogdan, who has lived in the neighborhood for 14 years. In a survey of 271 neighbors that he organized recently, he said, 90 percent disliked the name. The swift rebranding of the roughly 170-year-old district is just one example of how Google Maps has now become the primary arbiter of place names. With decisions made by a few Google cartographers, the identity of a city, town or neighborhood can be reshaped, illustrating the outsize influence that Silicon Valley increasingly has in the real world.

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  1. Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    Are they "official" names for neighborhoods?

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    1. Re:Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by bhcompy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In many large and medium sized cities they are official names, and the neighborhoods can have local councils for things like events, signage/decorations, historic building management, etc. Example from San Diego CA

    2. Re:Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by Berkyjay · · Score: 2

      There are no "official" neighborhood names within the city. The names are just a result of a certain name gaining critical mass where everyone just starts using it. That's part of the problem. Google being the large force that it is, can vault a name to that critical mass point pretty easily.

    3. Re:Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by xfade551 · · Score: 2

      I've seen this in my area as well, which is substantially less populous than San Francisco. I'm pretty sure they are taking names off official survey/plot maps, but often these names have fallen in disuse for a century or more. For example, the Google Maps "neighborhood" name nearest my home is in the description on the deed to my home, but is nowhere else: not my housing development, post office branch, census tract, voting precinct, street signs, school district, "common knowledge" neighborhood name, nor anything like that.

    4. Re:Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by mattyj · · Score: 3, Informative

      This wikipedia page has a pretty accurate/traditional listing of neighborhoods (for now.) Hopefully whoever maintains it won't start adding BS made up neighborhoods:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neighborhoods_in_San_Francisco

      The neighborhood namings are helpful when navigating the city. We have three major street grids here, two of which are askew and converge along Market street. We also have two separate grids of numbered streets, one going by Avenue and one going by Street. If you didn't know any better and put the wrong one in to get to, say, '9th', you could end up near beach instead of near Twitter HQ.

      We have a lot of very long streets here, too, relative to the size of the city. Saying you live or work on California Street is useless as it crosses a dozen or more neighborhoods. But if you talk to a local and say you live in Pacific Heights (I wish), that's a much more specific place.

    5. Re:Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's better here in Texas (like everything)

      ...except the weather, unless you're comparing to Oklahoma or something. The only thing I really miss from Texas, though, is the BBQ. Finding a BBQ place in California that knows anything about anything is a terrible chore. In Texas, you can't hardly drive after the first rain of the season without crashing into one. Hmm, the drivers are worse in Texas, too.

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    6. Re:Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is like if Google just suddenly started calling Hell's Kitchen something else.

      Gordon Ramsay would not be amused.

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    7. Re:Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's better here in Texas (like everything) ...

      Except in Education (ranked 40th) and Healthcare (ranked 38th) in the nation. Also, it's really frelling hot in Texas. Still, not a bad place to fly over on your way to somewhere better. :-)

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    8. Re:Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by larryjoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are they "official" names for neighborhoods?

      Most definitely. For example, there were fierce battles in San Jose over whether to call the Vietnamese area Little Saigon, Vietnamese Business District, or Saigon Business District, which led to protests and attempts to recall a city council member. Sometimes these battles are political, as with the naming of the Vietnamese area in San Jose. Sometimes the battles are cultural, as with the Koreatown naming push in Santa Clara. There was pushback from the non-Koreans in the area to calling the entire area Koreatown. In the end, the city decided not to officially designate the area as Korean. However, someone at Google decided to do the opposite, and so Koreatown shows up not only in Google Maps but also in the search results.

      Google has massive power to change language, names, and thinking. For example, a short while ago, Google Maps navigation suddenly started using the term "slip road". From the context, it was obviously talking about on and off ramps to highways, but it would always say slip road. I finally looked up the word and saw that it was a British term. However, Google has broadened the recognition of the word at least to the US.

    9. Re:Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by pthisis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is like if Google just suddenly started calling Hell's Kitchen something else. Or renamed SOHO for no reason.

      Except that as the article notes, the name was actually created a few years ago by a neighborhood nonprofit steering group that residents voted for: The East Cut name originated from a neighborhood nonprofit group in San Francisco that residents voted to create in 2015 to clean and secure the area.

      Google didn't just suddenly rename it for no reason. The issue is more subtle than that; in previous times, the neighborhood council decision would either be ignored or take a long time to spread and catch on. With Google's ubiquity, changing it on Google maps has an immediate effect. Whether that's bad and jarring or good and avoids ambiguity, it's certainly new and different.

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    10. Re: Renaming Neighborhood is bad? by terrycarlino · · Score: 4, Funny

      The difference between Europeans and Americans is that Europeans think 200 miles is a long way and Americans think 200 years is a long time.

  2. It's degrading to the reputation of our area... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It's degrading to the reputation of our area," said Tad Bogdan, who has lived in the neighborhood for 14 years.

    He should be happy they didn't decide to call it Poop Map!

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    1. Re:It's degrading to the reputation of our area... by Daralantan · · Score: 2

      I'm confused as to why they are so offended and say it is some kind of personal offense against them. Is there some hidden horrid offense in "east cut"? It's not like they called it some racial term, some other word for crap, etc.

  3. Finally, a way to make housing in SF affordable! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Google can just give every SF neighborhood a really awful name. West gash, Buttfungus grove, Trashpile drive, Stank avenue, etc, lowering property values until housing is affordable for mere mortals again!

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  4. It's the real-estate agents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Rincon Hill, South Beach and SOMA are all distinct neighborhoods, not different names for the same area as the article insinuates.

    Real estate agents here try to rename areas all the time into 'micro neighborhoods' for out of towners who would, for example, rather move to 'Eureka Valley' than 'The Castro'. This isn't anything new and I would question whether Google did this and real estate agents followed, or if it's the other way around.

    People that actually live here now and have lived here for any mount of time would never deign to utter the words "South Cut". That's just a stupid name in and of itself and has no meaning.

    1. Re:It's the real-estate agents by keltor · · Score: 4, Informative

      East Cut is the huge renaming project for the area. There's almost no possible way locals wouldn't know what the fuck is up unless they just avoid the freaking signs everywhere. Google didn't invent this shit, the City and local Business Owners did. It even has a website: https://theeastcut.org/

    2. Re:It's the real-estate agents by amacbride · · Score: 2

      I've lived here for 20+ years (including 5 in the area in question), and had never heard "The East Cut" until today.

    3. Re:It's the real-estate agents by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Not surprising. Lots of zombies actually don't give a shit about anything that happens where they live. I fall into this category too. Didn't realise there was a festival in the park opposite my house and my wife pointed out that the signs have been up in our street for the past month.

  5. It could be worse by DickBreath · · Score: 2

    Residents Fume?

    They should be glad it's not worse. I can imagine much worse names than East Cut which Google could give to a neighborhood.

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  6. Next Rename by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    s/Cupertino/Fruit Market/

  7. sadly, not a new thing by circusboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    google renamed the street I grew up on by eliding a t. some time later, when the city went to remake the street signs, I'm guessing they checked google maps for the spelling rather than the records and suddenly Patterson became Paterson. At one point my mother had collected a 19th century city registrar book that had all the properties delineated, (and the street name correctly spelled...)

    there was even a short period of time when you could use street view to look at an old and new street sign within a block of each other and see both spellings in the wild.

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  8. Here/Navteq Maps by Thelasko · · Score: 2

    Here/Navteq maps have been using township names in my area. Not towns, townships. The township I live in has an obscure name that is completely unrelated to the town name. If it wasn't on my tax bill, I would have no idea it existed. However, Navteq uses that instead of the town name.

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  9. Another example of "journalism" by the ny times by will_die · · Score: 5, Informative

    If they had done any research they would have found out that the community benefit district for that area, a local government agency, had renamed the area to the East Cut over a year ago.
    They spend tax money on advertising it and probably went to google to get the name to reflect what the city wanted.
    This was not some sudden change caused by google, nor an example of how google is a final arbitrator of names.
    it is just another daily example of how the new york times is worth for journalism and its only value is in wiping down the street of San Francisco.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/ba...

    1. Re:Another example of "journalism" by the ny times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you'd take a moment to RTFA and climb down off of your soapbox, you'd see they clearly explained that:

      The East Cut name originated from a neighborhood nonprofit group in San Francisco that residents voted to create in 2015 to clean and secure the area. The nonprofit paid $68,000 to a “brand experience design company” to rebrand the district.

      But "the East Cut" wasn't really the focus of the article in the first place. The article is more about how rapid any renaming of a neighborhood spreads nowadays, due to Google's proliferation. The "why" it got renamed is not the point. It's the speed at which the new name spreads.

      But at least you got to tear the media a new one, like Dad.

  10. Re:Dystopia by mikael · · Score: 2

    They are trying to improve things. They want to increase the value of neighbourhoods and drive out everything that attracts the homeless.
    First thing incomers do is Google up on the neighbourhood reviews and take a stroll through StreetView. If the area looks post-apocalyptic they'll go elsewhere. So they rebrand the neighbourhood with new names so no-one knows any better - Tenderloin becomes SunnyValley.

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  11. Re:Finally, a way to make housing in SF affordable by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    If you've ever been to SFO quite frankly a number of those names wouldn't be descriptively inaccurate, either.

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  12. Re:Lobstertarianism? by Topwiz · · Score: 2

    In the US official place names are tracked by the Census Bureau and the Postal Service.

  13. Re:Identity by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You need to get a life if your identity hinges on the correct naming of your residence.

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