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New Starbucks Partnership With Microsoft Allows Customers To Pay For Frappuccinos With Bitcoin (cnbc.com)

Earlier this week, Nestle said it was jumping on the blockchain bandwagon, today, Starbucks said it is ready to top that. From a report: The Seattle-based coffee giant is working with Microsoft and a leading global exchange on a new digital platform that will allow consumers to use bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies at Starbucks. Starbucks along with Intercontinental Exchange, Microsoft and BCG, among others, is working to launch a new company called Bakkt that will enable consumers and institutions to buy, sell, store and spend cryptocurrencies on the global network by November. The platform with convert bitcoin and other cryptocoins into U.S. dollars that can be used to buy a Cold Foam Cascara Cold Brew, Matcha Lemonade or anything else at Starbucks. Starbucks has consistently been at the forefront of embracing new technologies. For instance, it added support for mobile payments in 2011. In May, it was estimated that Starbucks' mobile payment solution is more popular than those of Apple and Google.

In a statement, Maria Smith, vice president of partnerships and payments for Starbucks, "As the flagship retailer, Starbucks will play a pivotal role in developing practical, trusted and regulated applications for consumers to convert their digital assets into US dollars for use at Starbucks. As a leader in Mobile Pay to our more than 15 million Starbucks Rewards members, Starbucks is committed to innovation for expanding payment options for our customers."

According to Starbucks spokespeople, Motherboard reports, Starbucks doesn't want bitcoins, but it's willing to help people spend them -- the venture is an exchange that will allow people to convert their cryptocurrency into US dollars, which they can then spend at Starbucks locations.

80 comments

  1. That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with bitcoins is that they are too volatile. That $5.00 Coffee you bought today could have a opportunity cost of $15.00 next year. Vs using the Dollar where that $5.00 would have an opportunity cost of $5.15 the next year.

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    1. Re: That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but just Frappuccinos, not coffee or espresso?

    2. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      I was thinking the opposite could be true, too: you pay with bitcoin, and before COB for the day it manages to tank and what was $5.00 worth of bitcoin is now $0.05 worth.

    3. Re: That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      next year? try before itâ(TM)s even melted.

    4. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with bitcoins is that they are too volatile.

      I'm sure Microsoft can manage a sufficiently fast price update rate using DirectX 12.0.

      That's not the problem. The problem is that there can only be half a dozen Bitcoin transactions per second IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

      This means the Bitcoin transaction fee will cost more than three times what the coffee is worth.

      Serious question: I wonder if anybody at Starbucks or Microsoft actually knows how Bitcoin works?

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    5. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      paying for something with something that doesn't exist.. lolll

    6. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was thinking the opposite could be true, too: you pay with bitcoin, and before COB for the day it manages to tank and what was $5.00 worth of bitcoin is now $0.05 worth.

      That's exactly why Starbucks isn't actually collecting any BTC. They're using a payment processor which is collecting BTC, and which pays them in USD on your behalf. Starbucks never actually sees a bitcoin.

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    7. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's theoretically possible, and maybe a possible situation, but not that realistic a scenario. Crypto exchange rates have been volatile, yes, but NOT nearly as volatile as you are implying. We don't see the value decreasing to 1/100th what it was or increasing 100x all in one day. The largest single-day change for BTC ever was approximately 25% which was on major news events.

    8. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

      I would think it would run afoul of consumer protection / bait and switch laws depending on how the timing of the transaction changed value at time of execution versus purchase. The USD is our currently legally accepted metric for such things.

    9. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      The problem with bitcoins is that they are too volatile.

      I'm sure Microsoft can manage a sufficiently fast price update rate using DirectX 12.0.

      That's not the problem. The problem is that there can only be half a dozen Bitcoin transactions per second IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

      This means the Bitcoin transaction fee will cost more than three times what the coffee is worth.

      Serious question: I wonder if anybody at Starbucks or Microsoft actually knows how Bitcoin works?

      I imagine most people who buy a coffee with bitcoin using this method will do it for the novelty of it- and only a few times- so it's not likely to stress out bitcoin's infrastructure. People don't buy bitcoin so they can buy coffee... that's not bitcoin's main purpose. Bitcoin is more practical when used for large exchanges of wealth and goods.

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    10. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think it would run afoul of consumer protection / bait and switch laws depending on ...

      Not to worry - deregulation will solve this.

    11. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      People don't buy bitcoin so they can buy coffee... that's not bitcoin's main purpose. Bitcoin is more practical when used for large exchanges of wealth and goods.

      And paying for torrent and Usenet indexer membership

    12. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by xtal · · Score: 3, Informative

      Serious question: Do you know why the Lightning Network was developed and how it works?

      If they're going to use LN, this is a perfect application to demonstrate mass scaling.

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    13. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buying coffee with bitcoin right now is just a waste of precious blockchain space. It's not that bitcoin is not good, just a case of using the wrong tool for the job.
      If and when the lightning network becomes mainstream, micropayments such as those will make sense with bitcoin. Until then, its just a PR stunt.

      Then again, it does state bitcoin and OTHER crypto. Using some other coins, such as doge for example is a lot more viable and dirt cheap at the moment.

      But just to make things clear, even bitcoin right now is not THAT expensive to use. If you don't need to make a transaction in the very next block, you can pay well below a $1 fee regardless of the value of the transaction.
      So use bitcoin where it shines and leave the coffee purchases for other more suitable forms of payment

    14. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously, go read up on the Lightning network. It will not help scale BTC the way the general public believes it will. It is a contract that you must open and fund. Once funded, you can send BTC back and forth super fast, but at the end of the day when you "need" the BTC in your account, you must close the contract, put it on BTC mainnet and be hashed just like any other BTC transaction. The Lightning Network does not help scale single, one-time transfers, like paying for coffee or paying your buddy for last night's beer tab.

    15. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait... that sounds a lot like a futures contract.
      Did they just re-invent bitcoin futures and slap a flashy name on it? Also wouldn't that be hugely and obviously inefficient for general use?

    16. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with bitcoins is that they are too volatile. That $5.00 Coffee you bought today could have a opportunity cost of $15.00 next year. Vs using the Dollar where that $5.00 would have an opportunity cost of $5.15 the next year.

      Are deflationary assets really hard to grasp for everyone? You pointing out the possible change in value is like pointing out the variance in year-over-year inflation, or pointing out that the sky is blue.

      People that use bitcoin already accept this comprimise, even if your mind can't wrap around it.

    17. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

      Except you are missing the 'network' part; with modern routing techniques.

      Just like you connect to your ISP, you'll open a lightning channel to a payment provider; who has open channel to as many other payment providers as they can (like ISP peering); who in turn, will have a channel to the wallet you are sending to. (the other 'last mile')

      The payment providers advertise their routes with the fee rates, and the cheapest path is automatically selected.

      Automatic, cryptographically secure bidding for the lowest rates for financial services.

    18. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by jimbobxxx · · Score: 1

      The problem with bitcoins is that they are too volatile. That $5.00 Coffee you bought today could have a opportunity cost of $15.00 next year. Vs using the Dollar where that $5.00 would have an opportunity cost of $5.15 the next year.

      Well, as you can buy bitcoins with the $5.00 it makes no difference.

    19. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      The problem is that there can only be half a dozen Bitcoin transactions per second IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

      That's only true for the old, outdated Bitcoin Core. There's been a new chain called Bitcoin Cash for almost a year now, and several other hard forks as well that support larger amounts of transactions per second.

      If Bitcoin ever does take off, it'll be one of the alt-chains, or alt-coins that does it. The original bitcoin is just a walking corpse at this point due to the fees you mentioned.

    20. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Also the blockchain makes this too cumbersome if it becomes popular. A few cryptohipsters here or there is fine, but a million of them trying to get through that pipeline to get a cup of coffee each morning would suffocate the system.

    21. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the coffee shop or bar has a LN node, then your buddy does not have to set up the one-time transfer. The idea is that you can transact with businesses without using Visa/Mastercard as the rent-seeking intermediary.

      It is also worth mentioning that LN is not being built exclusively for Bitcoin.

    22. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct, which is why using Bitcoin to pay for anything is stupid. The app should hook up to an oracle to exchange BTC for something like DAI or TUSD (NOT USDT) and then pay using something like Request Network.

    23. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's still right though. Eventually you have to close the channel to resolve all the transactions to the blockchain.

      If you never plan to close the channel, you'll never be able to convert those BTC to any other crypto at an exchange, carry out atomic swaps with other blockchains, or convert them to fiat. Nor will you be able to move those BTC to anyone on the BTC blockchain not using LN (or just not using LN with you).

      LN is behind the curve as a scaling solution. ETH + OMG is looking stronger all the time, especially with the announcement that the EF is skipping FFG and going straight to Casper + sharding in 2019.

    24. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LN is not a good fit for Bitcoin. The base blockchain is too slow, even with Schnorr signatures and whatever else they decide to strap to it.

      If you really want LN to be useful, it needs a faster underlying blockchain, such as where Ethereum will be in 2019. Of course that means Raiden, which already has a better developer base than LN ever had for BTC.

    25. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're a dumbfuck
      OF COURSE it's VOLATILE, it's a goddamned new Global Decentralized fucking currency.
      It's not fucking printflated, interestflated, taxthieved, and god damned banksterized all to hell just to make you poorer and a bitchass sheeple slave.
      NO it's fuckall that bullshit.
      The first standalone currency the world has ever seen.
      Total fucking global libertarian voluntaryist anarchism.

      If you think it's going from 5 to 15, then fucking hodl that shit you dumbass.
      Or spend and replace like anyone else with a brain to get it growing.
      Or buy all the things now if you think it's zero.

      BUT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD,
      SHUT THE *****FFUUCCKK***** UP ABOUT
      YOUR BULLSHIT "vOLATILITY" FUD
      YOU STUPID FUCKING ANTI.

    26. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO, that's not why they're not collecting any,
      they're not collecting any because they're stupid bitchass hoes.

      1) their cost is always less by accepting direct because
      there's no processor middleman, they can directly sell
      on exchange if desired, or over the counter to customers
      as a new line of business and profit.

      2) on average over time and in total, cryptocurrency/fiat
      has been and will be an always increasing ratio for at least
      the next 20 to 50 years as it reaches steady state adoption.

      so any wise corporate analyst worth their salt would
      be setting aside some sliding fraction of the crypto take
      as investment during proper times.

      3) pay processors will contractually insulate from
      intraday COB clearing price swings. that's in their
      tx and pct take. for which they're making fucktons
      more on the backend doing the same investing
      and selling it off OTC to the brokerages where
      smart investors are accumulating major wealth
      because they know where cryptocurrency is going
      to as well.... the MOON over time.

    27. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how it works, philosophically? NO. they'd have to go read a ton of cypherpunk material to pull their old stagnant asses out of the sand far enough to grok what amazing advances in freedom cryptocurrency is bringing.

      and let's face it, corporations are statist fucks.
      if they'd stop paying the politicians their law bribes,
      they could both keep their money and have their laws too,
      because there wouldn't really be any, just the
      open market.

      Also, "Bitcoin Cash (BCH)" is slowly replacing bitcoin as the global default precisely because it is being scaled far beyond bitcoin without resorting to that private bankster sidecoin con fraud known as lightning.

    28. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. lightning network was developed by the core corporation so that it introduce a new fake fully regulated and controllable censorable coin and defeat decentralized bitcoin. these lightning nodes can and will censor, track, tax, extort and report your payments to all sorts of entities. once the plan is complete no one will be able to roll up to the satoshi blockchain ever again.
      LIGHTNING NETWORK SIDECHAIN IS A SCAM.

      there are youtube videos all about this.
      go watch them.
      or drink the coolaid and throw your good money in for a while only to get fucked back to fiat like control and sheeplehood in the end game.

    29. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is having to wait 20 minutes for the transaction to verify. My Frappuccino is cold now! Wait, maybe it's supposed to be cold. In which case it's warm now.

    30. Re:That sounds like a bad buisness plan. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Yep. If it doesn't go via the blockchain then it's open to fraud and hacking.

      (eg. how many "exchanges" have already disappeared with a lot of money?)

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  2. So Crypto is getting ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... mouth-to-mouth to try and create a market nobody asked for.

    You know, like Air Pods.

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    1. Re:So Crypto is getting ... by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... mouth-to-mouth to try and create a market nobody asked for.

      It is actually worse than that.

      Every time that I read something about BitCoin or any other crypto-currency it is clear that the "currency" part of it (technically described as "proof of work") is nothing more than "proof I was able to most efficiently turn a quantity of electricity into waste heat."

      Given that how far we yet have to go to achieve worldwide sustainable energy production, I find it odd (hypocritical, even?) that so many socially conscious companies and organizations now effectively encourage people to waste electricity.

      I get that not every occupation makes the same contribution to society, but generating crypto-currency has to rank near the bottom by producing effectively zero net benefit. Even a grave digger at the end of the day has performed a service for someone else.

    2. Re:So Crypto is getting ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Correct.

      To be precise, I reject all nitrogen in the Earth's atmosphere.

      I'm a purist: an oxymoron.

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    3. Re:So Crypto is getting ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I agree, and we've seen this before.

      Think of Pet Rocks and Mood Rings.

      Prior to the advertising push, you didn't know you wanted those.

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    4. Re:So Crypto is getting ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah that's just like Bitcoin. Or you're a moron, whichever is more true.

    5. Re:So Crypto is getting ... by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      Admitted the same can be said about daytraders. But all that being said IMO I think they really killed good oprotunites, would it be possible to make proof of work... actually tie to something we need cycles for? Aren't there like hundreds of programs that need cpu cycles to go into folding proteins or even searching for aliens etc.... would it be possible for us to actually make or redirect a crypto currency into actually helping with real world things?

    6. Re:So Crypto is getting ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Schrödinger's cat.

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  3. Pay For Frappuccinos With Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pay For Frappuccinos With Bitcoin

    Nope. First you'll transfer bitcoins to them (ie. give away control of your bitcoins, hello hacker target). Then you'll pay with your totally-not-a-bank balance.

  4. No they're not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one actually pays for anything with bitcoin. People pay for things with real money. It might've been liquidated from bitcoin somehow, but it was paid for with real money.

  5. LOL ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hipsters ... buying hipster coffee ... with hipster money ... using their hipster phones ... so they can sit their with their hipster Macbooks ... using their hipster apps to post pictures to hipster social media ... so that other fucking hipsters spending their hipster money in hipster coffee shops can all knowingly nod their hipster beards in what passes as a hipster gesture of approval before posting their own hipster drivel.

    It's mother fucking hipsters all the way down, I tell 'ya.

    1. Re:LOL ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And this is how Frappuccinos will be the reason for coming GPU price hikes.

  6. Starbuck probably get it converted in USD by JcMorin · · Score: 1

    Service like BitPay can make it converted to USD instantly, or a part of it. For instance if you want to sell TShirt for Bitcoin you could keep 20% in BTC and 80% in your local currency.

  7. Tough call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which actually has less value, Bitcoin or Starbucks Frappuccinos?

    1. Re: Tough call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft

  8. More popular? by PPH · · Score: 1

    Starbucks' mobile payment solution is more popular

    Not with people like me. Stuck behind someone trying to reload an account. Or doing the iPhone shake, trying to get the reader to recognize a screen barcode.

    I've got cash. I'll just be a moment. Please.

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    1. Re:More popular? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean.

      I know it is technically less secure but I still use a mag-swipe card and cash and they are both about as fast. Which is to say that they are both faster than the chip+pin cards and a lot faster than phone payments.... though, to be fair, the speed of phone payments do vary greatly depending on the method used (NFC, QR, BC, whatever), the premise equipment/system being used and the preparedness of the payer.

      Every time I try to use a phone method it ends up taking me three to four times as long as it would have taken had I used cash.

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  9. Pizza by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

    We just need Dominos to start accepting Bitcoin for pizza and we will have come full circle. I imagine they will cost significantly less than 10,000 BTC each though.

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    1. Re:Pizza by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      Just wait another month or two - we'll get back down to it.

    2. Re:Pizza by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      10,000 BTC? That sounds more like the prize of a pizza at Mellow Mushroom these days.

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    3. Re:Pizza by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      He's talking about the value of Bitcoins in the first ever "official" transaction.

      https://qz.com/1285209/bitcoin...

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    4. Re:Pizza by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Yes, I remember that incidence. At the time it was a worthwhile transaction no doubt... nowadays very wasteful.

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  10. The lady doth protest too much by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1, Funny

    Hipsters ... buying hipster coffee ... with hipster money ... using their hipster phones ... so they can sit their with their hipster Macbooks ... using their hipster apps to post pictures to hipster social media ... so that other fucking hipsters spending their hipster money in hipster coffee shops can all knowingly nod their hipster beards in what passes as a hipster gesture of approval before posting their own hipster drivel.

    It's mother fucking hipsters all the way down, I tell 'ya.

    Let me guess... you disliked hipsters before it was cool to dislike hipsters.

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    1. Re:The lady doth protest too much by sexconker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hipsters ... buying hipster coffee ... with hipster money ... using their hipster phones ... so they can sit their with their hipster Macbooks ... using their hipster apps to post pictures to hipster social media ... so that other fucking hipsters spending their hipster money in hipster coffee shops can all knowingly nod their hipster beards in what passes as a hipster gesture of approval before posting their own hipster drivel.

      It's mother fucking hipsters all the way down, I tell 'ya.

      Let me guess... you disliked hipsters before it was cool to dislike hipsters.

      Impossible. It was always cool to dislike hipsters.

    2. Re:The lady doth protest too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess... you disliked hipsters before it was cool to dislike hipsters.

      In that the I disliked the first hipsters I ever met before I was aware of the fact there was a word for it, yes, absolutely. Mostly I just viewed them as fashion victims before I knew how widespread it was.

      Suddenly there was a bunch of people whose very first tattoo was a full sleeve, fast-tracking their ear-lobe stretching, who all dressed the same, and act like they'd just invented counter-culture and are totally 'discovering' all of the crap we had in the 80s. Oooh, you've got a trucker cap and an Adidas jacket, welcome to 1983 -- I'm so impressed.

      It's like there's a checklist or something .. earlobes, beard, tattoo sleeves, plaid, Blundstones, cuffs on the jeans, retro clothes and trucker hats.

      Some of us have been weird and uncool since middle school, but suddenly it's trendy to do that. Oddly, they're doing it by dressing the way we dressed when I was in middle school. Having been around when it was new, I'm not nostalgic for it.

      But, in fairness, at least the hipsters have caused resurgence of good quality shaving stuff. The quality of shaving cream has gone up considerably in the last few years.

    3. Re: The lady doth protest too much by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

      Best high school history teacher quote, "funny how all the anti-conformists with all their unique opinions and style wear the same clothes, listen to the same music, and hang out with each other."

    4. Re:The lady doth protest too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all the while i sit back and make mad bank as an investor buying up whatever shit they think is hip... starbucks bought and sold that shit, apple yep did that too, cryptocurrency... fucking stuffing my vaults every month with those loaded up private keys. five more years and i'm retiring off crypto. not a single doubt in my mind.

  11. Wrong direction by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    $5 worth of bitcoin will be worth about zero next year. That $5 cash would be worth $4.98 next year due to inflation. The cup of coffee will keep your productive which is worth $100+ depending on your level of income.

    If you had invested in NVIDIA 5 or 6 years ago, you'd have a 10x return on your money.

    Turns out the shovels are a lot more valuable than the dirt being mined

    1. Re: Wrong direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitcoin was worth 1k in 2017, it's worth 7k right now after 8 months of negative PR. It didn't get to 1k via mass media hype, it got there via adoption. BTC isn't dropping to 0 unless quantum computers begin robbing everyone.

    2. Re: Wrong direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wishful thinking from a coin holder.

    3. Re:Wrong direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, what?

      I personally can't stand BTC, and even I know you're wrong.

      Yes, BTC will crash hard - hopefully this month. Then it will jump back to early 2018 highs within 6-12 months after the crash. So will the rest of the crypto market.

      I would be overjoyed if people would finally abandon that useless piece of cruft for better projects like ETH, but alas, they keep HODLing on to history.

      Regardless, it will not delist/devalue within a year. Sorry to burst your bubble. Lowest it will go is maybe $1200-$1800 before the next influx of capital.

  12. They need to learn.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HODL!

    PedoPesos are ment to be HODL...
    or your going to be SYFL...

  13. The taint of uncool. by jythie · · Score: 1

    BTC seems to depend a lot on its brand/image as a cool counterculture for affluent technoanarchists and people who want the aesthetic of being one.. I can not imagine a joint venture with Microsoft and Starbucks will help that image.

    1. Re:The taint of uncool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BTC seems to depend a lot on its brand/image as a cool counterculture for affluent technoanarchists and people who want the aesthetic of being one.

      That's what the FBI was thinkin', when they came up with BTC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_(police_procedure)

  14. Thats not what the calcs are doing by tacokill · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "proof I was able to most efficiently turn a quantity of electricity into waste heat."
    But that isn't the reason for the calculations. The calculations are done to verify transactions are legitimate so nobody can post fake transactions (double spend) to the blockchain. We can argue about how efficient that process is or isn't but it is incorrect to say the proof is only turning electricity into heat. It's purpose is more than that.

    1. Re:Thats not what the calcs are doing by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      We can argue about how efficient that process is or isn't but it is incorrect to say the proof is only turning electricity into heat. It's purpose is more than that.

      As long as there are viable alternatives to proof-of-work (there are) and the processing behind BTC has no point other than proof-of-work (it doesn't) then its effective purpose is only turning electricity into heat. If it were at least one of the forms of cryptocurrency which does useful work, then the work wouldn't simply be a waste, and BTC wouldn't be a waste. But it isn't, so it is, and it is.

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  15. What about the manager? by shayd2 · · Score: 1

    If a Starbucks manager is under pressure to increase monthly sales. (And who isn't these days. See Wells Fargo) It won't take him long to capture your Latte order and, say, triple it.

    More generally, is anyone tracking BitCoin's attack surface?

  16. Only Frappuccinos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do people even drink those anymore?

  17. I'm sure Microsoft Knows this by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and they're doing something screwy to hide the actual backend exchange and eating the fees. On a $5 coffee there's probably enough margin there to get away with it in exchange for the advertising bump they're getting and if the exchange rate results in losses more than the advert is worth they'll quietly stop taking bitcoin like Valve did.

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  18. No it doesn't by lexman098 · · Score: 1

    So how many bitcoins do I need to buy a frap?

  19. Honest question by DalM · · Score: 1

    Ok, an honest question about the sustainability of bitcoin.

    Two features of bitcoin seem to be unsustainable:
    1) The complicated processing necessary to make bitcoin work is rewarded by "mining" new coins. People use their computers to work for money.
    2) The ultimate number of bitcoins is limited and "mining" will get harder and harder until there are no more coins.

    So, what happens when that last coin is mined? What incentive will there be then for people to volunteer computer power to make the exponentially more complicated bit coin system work? Seems like, after there are no more coins, the system is going to collapse.

    1. Re:Honest question by Kaenneth · · Score: 0

      1) Proof of work is a real problem, other options, like proof of stake are less wasteful

      2) Mining a block gets the block reward (which halves periodically, until around the year 2140) PLUS the transaction fees.

    2. Re:Honest question by Memnos · · Score: 1

      These features make it closely analogous to the mining of gold or other precious metal on Earth. 1) It requires effort to get new coinage. 2) There is an upper limit to the amount available, and it becomes probabilistically more difficult to acquire each increment. But even when there are effectively no more bitcoins, or when there is no more gold to be found (for simplicity, let's ignore the gold content of the rest of the universe for now) the gold and bitcoins will still have value -- provided primarily that the consensus is that they are stores of value -- it must be deemed "precious". If such a consensus is maintained for bitcoin, then each fraction of a bitcoin would represent a certain amount of value (possibly increasing over time, almost certainly speculated upon.)

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    3. Re:Honest question by DalM · · Score: 1

      The analogy breaks down when you reach the limits of the supply. For gold to be traded, it doesn't need a massive volunteer computational network expending thousands, if not millions, of dollars of processing power running 24/7. Bitcoin does. When the last bitcoin is mined, then there will be no incentive to volunteer your data center to process the transactions.

  20. Fluctuations by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    Hmm, so my coffee will cost £1 tomorrow and then £15 the day after, then maybe 30 pence?

    1. Re:Fluctuations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no.
      over the long term,
      your single pound is guaranteed to buy you less coffee,
      while your single cryptocurrency index unit is guaranteed to by you more.
      there are reasons for this that you simply do not understand yet.

      youtube search: bitcoin documentary
      youtube search: larken rose

  21. Paying with equity and debt by inking · · Score: 1

    Can they also add an option to transfer my portfolio to their brokerage and buy frappuccinos with my Philip Morris equity and Greek 10Ys, because that’s precisely what they are doing here. It makes no sense on so many levels, although I’m certain some Bitcoiner somewhere will be excited about this and use it in the most inconvenient way imaginable.

  22. This was inevitable for them by Memnos · · Score: 3, Funny

    Starbucks was going to get involved with blockchain technology eventually. Starbucks is a chain, and there's one on every block. Synergy.

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    I don't trust atoms -- they make up stuff.