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Thunderbird v60.0 Email Client Released (thunderbird.net)
Thunderbird version 60, featuring a number of new features and changes, is now available as a direct download from thunderbird.net, the email client vendor said. The changelog: When writing a message, a delete button now allows the removal of a recipient. This delete button is displayed when hovering the To/Cc/Bcc selector.
Many improvements to attachments handling during compose: Attachments can now be reordered using a dialog, keyboard shortcuts, or drag and drop. The "Attach" button moved to the right to be above the attachment pane. The access key of the attachment pane (e.g. Alt+M, may vary depending on localization, Ctrl+M on Mac) now also works to show or hide the pane. The attachment pane can also be shown initially when composing a new message. Right-click on the header to enable this option. Hiding a non-empty attachment pane will now show a placeholder paperclip to indicate the presence of attachments and avoid sending them accidentally.
"Edit Template" command. This also solves various problems when saving as template (duplicates created, message ID lost).
"New Message from Template" command.
Allow changing the Spellcheck Language from status bar.
Light and Dark themes.
WebExtension themes are now enabled in Thunderbird.
A default startup directory in the address book window can now be configured.
Individual feed update interval. Read the full-change log here.
Many improvements to attachments handling during compose: Attachments can now be reordered using a dialog, keyboard shortcuts, or drag and drop. The "Attach" button moved to the right to be above the attachment pane. The access key of the attachment pane (e.g. Alt+M, may vary depending on localization, Ctrl+M on Mac) now also works to show or hide the pane. The attachment pane can also be shown initially when composing a new message. Right-click on the header to enable this option. Hiding a non-empty attachment pane will now show a placeholder paperclip to indicate the presence of attachments and avoid sending them accidentally.
"Edit Template" command. This also solves various problems when saving as template (duplicates created, message ID lost).
"New Message from Template" command.
Allow changing the Spellcheck Language from status bar.
Light and Dark themes.
WebExtension themes are now enabled in Thunderbird.
A default startup directory in the address book window can now be configured.
Individual feed update interval. Read the full-change log here.
My e-mail is currently Outlook and it uses Exchange. If I want to replace Outlook I need whatever I use to also be able to connect to Exchange.
They jumped from version 52 to version 60.
This must be YUUUUUUUUUGE!
I like how this article starts out with a link.
To a tag.
*facepalm*
The level of incompetence here never ceases to amaze and amuse.
I pretty much quit using Thunderbird (and switched relatives/friends away) when it looked like Mozilla was pulling the rug out from under it:
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/04/25/1949239/mozilla-seeks-new-home-for-email-client-thunderbird
but I'm happy to see that someone did a little work to the old boy. However, did we really need a cut/paste of the unordered change notes? (Your top feature is "a delete button now allows the removal of a recipient" - really?)
I haven't really found a good email client.
So like most people I stick with what I know.
If you are an outlook user, compared to a Thunderbird what are you getting that is going to make you drop it in awe of the other client?
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
When the heck did that happen? I suppose that is what happens when you rely on your Linux distribution to provide Thunderbird, but still, I'd expect something that links off mozilla.org. I looked, and https://www.mozilla.org/thunde... redirects to https://www.thunderbird.net/en... so its good, but my first reaction was - is this safe?
The desktop mail client seems to be going the way of the dodo (Not that I miss it much)
So what are the players still hanging around? Those of you that use desktop mail clients, what do you prefer?
We've got outlook - A strange and expensive dinosaur that's been around forever and carries baggage all the way from the 3.1x era but is utterly ubiquitous in the business world.
Thunderbird - Sort of the de-facto mail client because.. Everyone else is gone? If you need a desktop mail client that's consistent across many platforms this is pretty much it.
Groupwise/Lotus notes - Yeah these still exist. Anyone using them probably hates them and is either locked in to some legacy infrastructure or is desperately trying to replace them. Or works for IBM.
Apple's mail client - The one built in to OSX. Kinda janky and apparently is getting worse. They keep removing features and breaking things. Offers some nice integration if you're in to the apple world with both feet. Desktop mail software is fiddly and requires a lot of strange exceptions because of the ancient nature of email systems. This is not Apple's strong suit.
The windows built-in mail client - This is a wierd and much maligned piece of software. Rightly so. It was complete shite since it congealed out of the start screen hell that was windows 8.. Though it does keep improving! The very latest version that's in the very latest release of windows 10 is.. Actually not all that bad. It natively supports a wide range of popular email services and actually seems to function well enough. Does not seem suited for work use.
I use SeaMonkey as my email program. (Since I run it as my default browser)
I did use Thunderbird a number of years ago
I wonder if anyone still remembers Gerry and Sylvia Anderson and their puppets
Yep. This. I'm a reluctant Tunderbird user but it definitely sucks at a lot of things including memory/disk usage and horrible caching. I'd love to quit Thunderbird but what would I go to? I have 10 different IMAP/SMTP accounts that I need to send and receive mail from. I also need the client to run in Windows, something multi-platform is even better. Other that Outlook which is equally terrible but for somewhat different reasons, what other options are there? I would think by now that someone would have written a decent open-source web-based client which can connect to multiple IMAP providers just like a local client could using HTML5/Javascript for the frontend and as an offline/progressive web app but I haven't been able to find one...
As a user who chooses neither Outlook or Thunderbird, here's my list of "killer features" in Outlook:
Similarly, here's my list for Thunderbird:
Personally, I use GMail, which comes with a whole separate list of pros and cons, which basically boils down to "integrates well, but only with Google products", but it works for me.
If you're in a corporate Exchange environment, Outlook is the best integration you'll get. If you run your own non-Exchange mail server, Thunderbird is pretty darned good. If you're lazy and don't care to ever think about email, GMail is probably all you need.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
I'd say it is Yuge! Between 52 and 60 there was a major revamp/rewrite of the Firefox engine. I don't think they even call it Gecko anymore, now it is Quantum.
TB 52 is Thunderbird Gecko
TB 60 is Thunderbird Quantum
* Claws Mail - very fast and light-weight GUI client (MUA). ported to many OSes and extended with plug-ins.
* Sylpheed - very light-weight GUI client. Windows/OSX/GTK+(Linux/BSD/etc)
* Mutt - a bit hard-core but runs reasonably well from command-line on Unix-like systems, even usable on OSX. Windows version is weird (PDcurses port looks the best, but has bugs/work-arounds)
* Alpine - that classic PINE feel, but still actively maintained.
* Eudora Open Source Edition - classic e-mail client. OSE is really a fork of Thunderbird. For the real deal you need to port the source yourself. (I'm not sure why you would, beyond nostalgia)
* Mailbird - Windows freeware
* Mail.app - OSX only. older versions significantly better (and faster) than latest.
Let me just say that I love Thunderbird and I use it and recommend it wherever I can. It does exactly what I want and need from a graphical IMAP client, is rock solid, good safety track record. E-mail has been a stable protocol for decades, so it's natural the the software that deals with it is mature and doesn't require rapid releases. The little niceties mentioned in the linked article are good to have, but ultimately Thunderbird was already a great open source offering. Big thank you to the team.
New Mail Notification Icon remains in Taskbar until manual "get new mail",
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/s...
15 years old, still "minor" and "unclassified".
Thunderbird has one of the ugliest l, dated looking user interfaces. Needs a total overhaul.
I've used thunderbird for years, and years and years. Never any problems. So, pretty much happy.
The one issue that is a problem, that does not seem to be getting better. Realistically, the business world largely runs on Outlook. That means I get emails all the time with winmail.dat TNEF attachments. Thunderbird does not handle TNEF attachments, this requires an addon of some kind.
At this point, the only plug in has not been updated in several years and appears to have been abandoned. Proper handling of TNEF attachments really, really, really needs to be properly addressed by Thunderbid, without having to rely on an add on that may or may not actually work in release 60.
17 year old feature request. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/s... The biggest feature that keeps enterprises from adopting TB.
We need backup copies of emails! The Thunderbird files are excellent. They use SQLite database software.
We are storing backup copies in 4 places.
How can one swap google for bing as the Thunderbird search engine? The plug-in that had done that no longer works.
good god this change log is boring. Who cares?
I'm hoping maildir support will finally be good enough to start using. I suspect that it will work better than mbox on an SSD - especially with a huge inbox. I have 100K+ emails in my inbox and never delete anything, so things move slowly.
That's not a bug, it's a feature. Open and Free mail clients should not handle proprietary attachments.
If you want to encrypt files on your computer, use disk encryption. There's no reason to separately encrypt data files in each application. Your user account is either allowed to open all your files or it's not.
Most of the rest of your account information is usually queryable. I'm not sure what there is to protect in your non-password account information.
Like it or not, anyone that has used Outlook expects a calender with their email client. I'm actually glad you don't have to download lighting anymore. It's been a while since I used an email client at home. That's a good change.
Your user account is either allowed to open all your files or it's not.
So if want a particular application to see a particular file, but I don't want a different application to have the opportunity to exfiltrate that file, I should make a separate user account for each application that I use. Is that what you're implying, or what am I missing?
That or don't install software you don't trust. I don't see why email would be different than any other software in that regard.
Come on, boys! 99% of all new Windows installations are 64 bit since Windows 7. Where is your problem?
>That or don't install software you don't trust.
See that's the thing about malware and unpatched security holes...
I wish SeaMonkey Composer would be made into a separate program. If someone does that, I can contribute to the documentation.
...is still NOT fixed!
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589870
I run Thunderbird but it's bugs like these that should have been fixed a long time ago.
If you are an outlook user, compared to a Thunderbird what are you getting that is going to make you drop it in awe of the other client?
Lately, a lot of people tell me that they plan to switch from Windows to X11/Linux sometime between now and January 2020 when security updates for Windows 7 end. To make the transition smoother, one might consider switching in advance to free software available for both platforms. For example, one might switch early from Microsoft Office to LibreOffice, from Edge to Firefox, and from Outlook to Thunderbird, as a way to minimize the study gradient of learning X11/Linux once the time comes. Even the Free Software Foundation recognizes that switching to free applications is a good first step.
It works as expected and has all the functionality you need. Just solid choice.
But at the same time it has its weird quirks and barely moving when using big IMAP inboxes
You could set up correct file access permissions.
+1 for claws-mail. I've been using it for the past ten years and it just works.
I've been pretty happy with CardDAV support via the CardBook addon, which lets me connect (read/write) to the same contact list as on my smart phone and web mail. CardDAV is an extension of WebDAV and implemented via HTTP rather than LDAP, but it's far more standardized and specialized to contact management.
Perhaps you can connect via CalDAV to a DavMail intermediary that then translates to LDAP. Perhaps your enterprise can maintain a global DavMail server to ease that. See also Bug 86405 comment 86, which extols the virtues of CardDAV.
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
How would "file access permissions" help if I'm running the application under my own user account? It has permission to read everything that I have permission to read. In order to use the user/group/world permission system, I'm under the impression that I'd have to put each application under its own user account.
That or don't install software you don't trust.
What steps should an end user take to determine what software to trust?
Stormy's tits are YUGE! Yuger than her stretched asshole!
https://www.claws-mail.org/dow...
Outlook runs strictly on Windows and Mac only.
Thunderbird is cross platform and runs on almost any major OS/architecture.
I am beginning to think that the file permission system used by most desktop OS's is insufficient. It would be awesome if I could install an app onto Windows and know that it can't touch any files outside of it's own installed files, without my permission. So if I install a word processor or a graphics editor, I can be assured that out-of-the-box the only files it needs access to are the ones that I click on in the file-open dialog. That is an OS dialog and my clicking on a file gives consent for the app to access it. So a malicious application can't go browsing for my QuickBooks database and read it.