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The Psychedelic Drug DMT Can Simulate a Near-Death Experience, Study Suggests (vice.com)
dmoberhaus writes: In the first study of its kind, [published this week in the journal Frontiers in Psychology,] researchers dosed 13 people with the potent psychedelic dimethyltryptamine (DMT) to investigate its similarity to near-death experiences. As the researchers found, DMT does in fact induce experiences that are qualitatively similar to NDEs, [but the intensity of these NDEs largely depend on context]. Motherboard spoke with an independent researcher who pioneered DMT research in the 90s to discuss the possible implications of this research. While tricky to define due to their subjective nature, "NDEs tend to share many common elements, such as feelings of inner peace, the experience of traveling through a tunnel, out of body experiences, and encounters with sentient beings," reports Motherboard. A psychiatrist not involved with the study "suggested that the overlap between DMT and NDEs could possibly be explained on a biological level since DMT is naturally produced in small quantities by the human body and has been shown to minimize neuronal damage due to hypoxia (insufficient oxygen) in test tubes," reports Motherboard. "Thus, [the psychiatrist said] 'one could construct a coherent scenario where endogenous DMT rises in response to cardiac arrest/hypoxia in order to protect the brain as long as possible.'"
The article suggests DMT is created by the body when you’re near death.
It claims the sensations experienced during a Near Death Experience are not similar to, but literally caused by DMT.
I've used DMT many times. Amazing experience. Beings like the Clockwork Elves are very real and sentient, it's not a hallucination.
Even more interestingly, out of body experiences can be easily induced with a VR headset. Just show the wearer a human that is being poked with a stick, as an assistant simultaneously pokes the wearer with a stick (in the same manner) in reality. The wearer then feels that the avatar is 'their body' and that their point of view lies outside of their body.
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'out of body experiences' are delusions
The word you're looking for is 'hallucination', not delusion: the difference between hallucination and psychosis is you can tell the difference between whats imaginary and whats real
""NDEs tend to share many common elements, such as feelings of inner peace, the experience of traveling through a tunnel, out of body experiences, and encounters with sentient beings,""
While the first studies reported those elements, by now it is pretty much clear that 1) NDE depends on cultural backgrounds and 2) there are also negative one which go under reported because most religious folk don't like to report they saw vision of hell on where they think they are going after death. Just sayin'.
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That needs to be verified. Let's do an empiric study.
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Actually leaving your body and going on some kind of spirit journey is fake, but some psychedelic substances can give the perception of out of body experiences. I've had experiences where I've felt as though I'm floating outside of my body or otherwise no longer anchored to it, even though I really know that I was still physically sitting on the coach.
You don't even need to be high for your brain to experience sensory perceptions that aren't real. Phantom limb, for example, is one such well established and researched phenomenon.
What studies?
Near DEATH Experience, not Near LIFE Experience.
You can get near to a whole lot of things without actually getting it. If someone says he NEARLY won the lottery, would you stand there looking confused because he's still poor?
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Of course. Cf. Rick Strassman, "DMT: The spirit molecule".
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You’ve never understood why the experience of being close to death is called a Near Death Experience?
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You can be dead or any degree of approaching death. Everyone is approaching death the moment they are born and lifespans differ greatly based on a number of factors. A near death experience is simply someone who approached death but did not cross the boundary "into death". Or maybe they even crossed the boundary into a state of death, but were brought back to life (resuscitated).
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Reading your 5 posts about the topic: you are not even a nitpicker, but a plain idiot.
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The experience is real. However, when it is used to point or refer to an external (to you) event, then that pointer is faulty. It points to nothing and you claiming it does doesn't make it so.
Like pregnancy or the Easter Bunny.
One of the many side effects of our awful War on Drugs in the US is that this kind of research is essentially banned here, on account of DMT being a Schedule 1 drug. LSD falls into that category as well, along with the well known case of marijuana. Drugs like DMT and LSD offer incredible insight into some of the most mysterious processes in our brain, like the nature of consciousness and perception of reality. It's sickening how much we've let drug agents and drug warrior politicians (both sides, WoD is entirely bipartisan) stand against scientific progress, especially with drugs entirely lacking addictiveness and overdose potential like DMT/LSD/pot. Imagine our state of knowledge had these not been just about impossible to research in humans in the US for the last 50 years, with no change on the horizon.
I had been hoping we'd see the failure in my lifetime, and marijuana reform provided some optimism, until the opioid crisis squelched it with more of 'The War on Drugs has failed!' 'So what should we do about opiates?' 'More police! More laws! More regulation! Longer sentences! Crack down on supply! Fuck how many people have to suffer in agony or kill themselves when they can't get pain relief!' like if we just try prohibition a little harder it will magically start working, because this time it's Really Bad. Oh well, at least we have other countries that can do this great research.
Boy, just wait until the Tinfoil Hat Brigade gets ahold of this story! ;-)
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Yes because its not near death people are alive and they just had a dream.
How close would you consider yourself to have to walk next to a cliff, or a head of lettuce, or a parked car to consider yourself to be near those things? You sound like someone who has never been near anything, ever. If you're in the next room, you aren't near the chair in front of your computer. Later, you're sitting IN that chair. Is there really no time, in your world, where in between being in the other room and sitting in the chair, that you were ... near the chair, but not actually in it? Seriously: yes or no question.
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Never understood, or didn't want to acknowledge that maybe the multitude of people who have shared the experience of NDE's might have caught a glimpse of something that your worldview doesn't care to accept?
Check your premises.
Actually leaving your body and going on some kind of spirit journey is fake
If it's happening in your brain, it's not fake, by definition. That the meaning may be difficult to derive is a separate issue but the reality cannot be questioned. This is a novice materialist error which contradicts the central materialist claim.
That so many psychedelics turn off inhibatory centers specifically should give pause to those who claim that experiences are "fake" or "delusions". Anybody who can see an optical illusion should understand that the world isn't precisely what we sense. It takes years of building processing filters for humans to build a stable subset of reality that they can filter.
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Glad we have the forefront scientist on consciousness telling us what is real and what is not.
I've had experiences where I've felt as though I'm floating outside of my body or otherwise no longer anchored to it, even though I really know that I was still physically sitting on the coach.
Yes, many people have reported that riding the Greyhound was similar to death.
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I'm in.
I suggest we start with a simulated out of body, psychedelic, stoned experience.
Let's avoid the drunken simulation. Alcohol will fucking kill you.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
difficult to learn about DMT induced NDE due to the NDA the CIA, NSA, and other NGOs make you sign.
Spotted the armchair critic who is magically an "expert" on other people's experience with something they have never even experienced.
/sarcasm Oh look, it is a blind man arguing there is no such thing as color!
> Some studies have shown that out of body experiences is real.
FTFY.
But keep trying to ignore the evidence (Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research, 1968, vol. 62, no. 1, pp. 3-27.) of both OBEs and NDEs.
The shared OBE is proof that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
"He's dead. He can't talk."
"Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do."
"What's that?"
"Go through his clothes and look for loose change."
How ignorant do you have to be to understand the parent is not arguing about anything other than the unnecessary usage of the term NDE? We already have a valid term to describe this; it's called a dream.
Is it physically painful to be so angry while also totally missing the point?
... is that you have a dream while you're asleep. You have an NDE while you're nearly dead. There are profound physiological differences. The brain is under significant stress. All sorts of things are happening, chemically, that are not happening when you're going through our normal sleep cycle. All of which you know, which means you're just ranting because it makes you feel good, anonymous coward that you are.
The difference between a typical dream and what the medical community calls a near death experience
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Coincidence is a motherfucker.
Case in point: I was meditating one day, slipped into sleep, and dreamed I was in the car with my at-the-time-girlfriend, her two exchange students and our friend, Melea. Melea and I were in the front passenger seat together, girlfriend was driving, and the exchange ladies were in the back seat. A car swerved toward us from the left, we dodged to the right, hit a concrete abutment, ricochet sideways to the left, spinning back to front, went over some railroad tracks, and the car flipped into the air.
As we were airborne I said goodbye lovingly to the girlfriend and was no longer in the car. Then I was no place that I can recall, quiet, calm, and disconnected. Nothing to see, nothing to do. Then I thought I heard something. Faint, distant, indecipherable, but slowly resolving itself, getting louder. Then I got it, a phone ringing in the distance, quietly. I got up from the bed where I was laying in the guest room and went into my room. No phone ringing now, but I picked up anyways. On the line was my girlfriend. She was out of her head, crying, freaking out, losing her shit.
You know the story, and so did I. She was in an accident. She was driving, Melea was in the passenger seat, the two exchange students were in the back seat. A car swerved toward her and she dodged it, hitting a concrete abutment and spinning the car. Fortunately in this version there were some differences: no railroad tracks, the car didn't flip. Thank God. Everyone was ok.
Then she said "It was weird. I felt like you were right there beside me. Did you feel it to? Were you about to call me? Is that why you answered the phone before it even rang?"
Coincidence is a motherfucker...
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
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You forgot at least one. :)
Can masturbation simulate a sexual experience?
No, but it can be almost as good.
Yes it means exactly that you had a dream about dying, it just so happened that you we are also in a critical state at the time, but it was still a dream.
Millions of people dream every night. You dream in your sleep right? Are all those dreams a glimpse of something out of this world? Even the stupid ones?
No it's the same. When you sleep you are unconscious and dream. When you are near death you are also unconscious and dream. It's the same thing. The only difference is that maybe your heart stopped for a few minutes but before and after that you where in a unconscious state.
I guess I should not be surprised that the delusional affirm their delusion by down voting science into oblivion to affirm their delusion.
It is impossible for a person under the influence of societal, cultural, and self-created inaccurate belief systems to sense what's real. They block the input that disagrees with their expectation of reality, so they wind up only seeing what they expect to see. Some people mistake this myopic filtered viewpoint for reality.
We, as a species, exist in a world in which exist a myriad of
data points.1 Upon these matrices of points we
superimpose a structure2 and the world makes sense to us.
The pattern of the structure originates within our biological
and sociological properties.3
— Persinger and Lafreniere, Space-Time Transients and
Unusual Events
1 In our terminology, these data points are events or actions,
i.e. verbs, not nouns.
2 In our terminology, models or maps, static things; nouns not
verbs.
3 In our terminology, brain hardware and software.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
That's just stupid. Dreams (even dreams of dying and dreams of experiencing NDE) are totally different phenomenon from NDE's. It's NOT the same state as dream - continuing to claim so doesn't make it so, and thus your reply is not really something I'm interested in :)
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The most common outcome for atheists who experience a NDE is to... become religious.
I'd like some data to prove this claim.
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No it's the same. When you sleep you are unconscious and dream. When you are near death you are also unconscious and dream. It's the same thing. The only difference is that maybe your heart stopped for a few minutes but before and after that you where in a unconscious state.
Really? You're THAT ignorant about the wild things your body does when the brain or heart tissues are deprived of oxygen? A body that is moments away from death (especially from a large trauma, blood loss, cardio/pulmonary failure) is NOT doing business - chemically, neurologically, metabolically, hormonally - the same way as a sleeping body is. How are you not aware of this?
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Okay, our next step, is to actually fully describe near death experiences that actually happened before people died. I hope these guys aren't getting any grant money.
Because those people have NDE which are dreams, so obviously they can dream or hallucinate even though they are about to have their heart stopped.
So what you're saying is that you're unable to actually read. Why didn't you just say so in the first place?
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I watched Flatliners. Does that count as having a near death experience?
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If I had already commented in this topic, I would assume you were talking about me. *sigh* (why did i choose to respond to your post?)
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