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Adobe's Next Major Creative Cloud Release Won't Support Older OSes (petapixel.com)
nehumanuscrede writes: Adobe ruffled a lot of feathers when they decided to cease selling their standalone products and go subscription only. While a lot of folks complained, it doesn't seem to have had much (if any) of a negative impact on Adobe financially. Now, according to PetaPixel, Adobe is poised to cease support for older operating systems by depriving those users of upgrades and updates beyond the cut-off date, even though those users are paying customers (and have been for years). I'm curious if those impacted will upgrade to the more modern OS, or simply find an alternative to Adobe software (paid or otherwise).
Personally, I'm still rocking Windows 7 because, in my opinion, there isn't anything wrong with it. So, in the near future, it seems I'm going to have a choice to make: Drop my Creative Cloud subscription, upgrade to an OS I absolutely loathe like Windows 10, or continue paying full price for apps that will cease receiving updates (which was Adobe's whole argument for going with the subscription method in the first place so folks will always have the latest updated software). What are your thoughts? "Your Windows won't be supported if you haven't upgraded beyond the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (v1607) that was released to the public on August 2, 2016," reports PetaPixel. "And if you're on a Mac, you won't be supported if you haven't upgraded beyond Mac OS 10.11 (El Capitan), which was released on September 30, 2015."
Personally, I'm still rocking Windows 7 because, in my opinion, there isn't anything wrong with it. So, in the near future, it seems I'm going to have a choice to make: Drop my Creative Cloud subscription, upgrade to an OS I absolutely loathe like Windows 10, or continue paying full price for apps that will cease receiving updates (which was Adobe's whole argument for going with the subscription method in the first place so folks will always have the latest updated software). What are your thoughts? "Your Windows won't be supported if you haven't upgraded beyond the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (v1607) that was released to the public on August 2, 2016," reports PetaPixel. "And if you're on a Mac, you won't be supported if you haven't upgraded beyond Mac OS 10.11 (El Capitan), which was released on September 30, 2015."
First, they get greedy
Second, they stop being innovative
Third, they treat their customers badly
All pointing towards the end of Adobe, soon.
"I told you so, and so did a lot of other people" about covers it.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
According to reports on DPReview quoting Adobe, Adobe will still be supporting Windows 7 64 bit.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
Win 7 and CS6 still meet my needs. When they stop meeting my needs, I'll consider options.
When this computer dies, I'll probably continue to run Win7+CS6 in a VM.
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
That's the point. They are giving you those 2 choices: upgrade your OS, or keep paying for software without receiving any updates for it. Many people (myself included) argue that the subscription model has taken away a 3rd choice that we should have: keep your old OS and keep using the out of date software, without paying a dime because you've already paid the purchase price once.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Stop paying multiple times for the same software and just replace it. Adobe thinks you're a bitch and is out to fuck you like one. Don't choose to be a bitch.
There. Much better.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The point is they already stopped selling software, and now only let you rent the latest version. So I am sure they won't leave an older version available for those who don't update.
Right here: "I'm still rocking Windows 7 because, in my opinion, there isn't anything wrong with it"
You are whats wrong with it.
Newer does not mean better. Maybe people don't want to use an OS that tries its damndest to suck up as much of your data as possible. Forces upgrades on itself and is generally is user hostile.
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shill for the evil empire much?
windows 7 is only unsupported by newer hardware (e.g. ryzen, coffee lake, etc) because microsoft paid-off amd and intel to drop pre-win10 support, knowing the vast majority of users would choose win7 on a new pc.
in adobe's case here...
is total bullshit. there's NOTHING in windows 10 or El Capitan that recent (win7 era or newer) previous versions lack that adobe "needs". NOTHING. it's a cop-out. an excuse. a lame one at that. probably also being compensated by microsoft..
Software engineer / developer here. I can.
For software, it needs to be tested on (at the bare minimum) every OS it needs to run on. For rapid development like agile that means multiple tests running per day as builds occur. Each of these platforms could have bugs that occur only on that platform, and need to be patched without breaking all the other versions - which means more testing. Not all of this testing is automated (although the vast majority will be these days), but either way it's a use of time and resource.
Factor in that individual patch versions within an OS can cause problems, as well as other installed software packages, drivers and the like, and supporting OSs that are no longer considered current becomes more and more of a task.
It's less of an issue for free software (free in the money sense) because firstly there's no promise or contract that says it has to work on everyone's machines, and secondly because the userbase for said software tends to contribute bug reports and, for FOSS, fixes back to the code base. For a sold product like Photoshop, part of what you're paying for is absolute compatibility with your system. If that's starting to prove a major resource drain on Adobe, and it will be fairly substantial, then it makes sense that they're trying to cut our operating systems that are past their sell by date.
We have a saying for that: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Why does something that works ever need to be "upgraded".
Once you whack it on the head with a sledgehammer and disable all the rubbish app stuff, Windy 10 is ok.
Add Classic Shell / Classic Start (new open source name)
Use Winaero Tweaker.
Use Disable Win Tracking.
Add Aero Glass for Windows 8 (if that is your thing, needs a donation for no nag).
Add old calculator.
Give paint 3d the heave ho.
Add the old windows picture viewer.
Add back all the old sound schemes (some guy on deviantart has done this).
It's quite an old OS, doesn't fully support newer hardware, doesn't get security support and updates...
Bullshit. Nice try, Microsoft shill.
Just installed Windows 7 on a computer yesterday. New computer with modern hardware, everything works just fine. Had to manually install a couple of drivers because Windows 7 doesn't *natively* support a couple of newer things, but that is trivial. Windows Update ran and updates everything. And it still gets security updates till 2020.
I used to always upgrade to the newest and latest as soon as it came out. Windows 8 and Windows 10 cured me of that. Utter garbage. And Microsoft shows no intention of acknowledging their massive fuckup. Instead they keep doubling down on the stupidity and making Windows worse and worse.
Software engineer / developer here. I can.
You provide a lot of what-ifs, but leave out the most important one: what if Adobe developers were at least remotely competent at cross-platform development, and created an actual API that they would code to. Implement that API once across each supported platform, then stop worrying about it. That's cross-platform development tutorial #1.
This isn't a "cross-platform development" issue, this is an "older operating systems are missing features that will help us make better software" issue.
In Adobe's case, OS X El Capitan is the first version to support Metal -- this API is much more efficient on systems with multiple CPU cores. Windows 10 is the first version to support DirectX 12, which opens op the capability of using multiple discrete GPUs for rendering tasks on Windows. There is no "cross-platform" or "backwards-compatible" way of doing these kinds of things -- all applications, including your mythical compatibility layer, will depend on the low-level graphics capabilities of the operating systems they use. It's completely unreasonable to expect Adobe to reimplement core OS features just to appease some technological refuseniks who prefer decade-old operating systems for aesthetic or emotional reasons.
And look, I get it, people don't like Windows 10 because they've bought into the hype that it's a "spying operating system". Yes, it sends a list of your installed apps to Microsoft, but they do that so you won't receive Windows Updates with known compatibility issues. And yes, it's measuring how long certain operations take, like opening the Settings app, but they do that so that Microsoft can prioritize performance improvements.
As for Apple, yes, macOS High Sierra has been the worst Mac OS release in over a decade, and macOS Mojave is shortening the leash on supported hardware range for Macs to 6-7 years, and it's removing features that people actually use like Back To My Mac... it's really super-frustrating.
But here's the thing: both operating systems also continue to add very useful programming APIs for developers so that they can continue to improve their software. The next update to Windows 10 is finally adding native Unix-style ptys, for instance, and the console natively supports xterm-256color. Mojave, for its part, is finally implementing the OpenType-SVG font standard, i.e. fonts with colour. Maybe these don't interest you, but there's literally thousands of low-level improvements like these over the last several years, many of which would make your computing life nicer.
But if you don't know about those things, and make personal computing choices based solely on press negativity, you'll never get to learn about, much less enjoy the upsides.