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Governments 'Not on Track' To Cap Temperatures at Below 2 Degrees: UN (reuters.com)
Governments are not on track to meet a goal of the 2015 Paris agreement of capping temperatures well below 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) before the end of the century, a United Nations official said on Sunday ahead of climate-change talks in Bangkok this week. From a report: Patricia Espinosa, head of the Executive Secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), which steers the climate talks, said both the public and private sector need to act with urgency to avoid "catastrophic effects". The Paris climate agreement, adopted by almost 200 nations in 2015, set a goal of limiting warming to "well below" a rise of 2 degrees C above pre-industrial times while "pursuing efforts" for the tougher goal of 1.5 degrees C. "1.5 is the goal that is needed for many islands and many countries that are particularly vulnerable to avoid catastrophic effects. In many cases it means the survival of those countries. With the pledges we have on the table now we are not on track to achieve those goals," Espinosa told Reuters in a telephone interview on Sunday in Bangkok.
And we didn't even need the not-so-very-objective and not-so-very-honest(!) UNFCCC to figure that one out.
We did too little when we could back in the 70s and now we're too late and we're hosed. In fact, all the world is hosed.
This is one guaranteed to be lasting legacy. Hope you're proud of it.
We can dump iron in the oceans as a fertilizer which produces bigger fish harvests and sinks co2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
We could use calcium too.
https://www.technologyreview.c...
https://www.wired.com/2008/07/...
We could farm Kelp.
https://www.scienceforums.net/...
But unless we stop emitting co2 this will not be enough. We should really consider Thorium reactors especially if they are as safe as scientists are claiming.
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/...
Sorry about the quality of the links but it should be a good starting point for some research. None of these by themselves will be enough but we have many options even terrible ones like reflective aerosols.
~matthekc
Paris, like Kyoto, was a joke. It did nothing to address real emissions. Until an accord is implemented that brings all nations down together, nothing will improve. things will become worse because massive numbers of coal plants are being added while idiots defend it.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
... 40 years ago.
We passed the deadline and there's no catching up.
So it is written, so let it be done.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
They'd rather have climate change than nuclear power. Apparently climate change isn't a major issue and it's much more important to prevent the development of nuclear power and to block the construction of more modern nuclear power plants.
Dr. Quinn Burchenal: Man's a party animal. If he is doing okay nothing else matters. That's not going to change.
Walk on a dark surface, then walk on a light-colored one, barefoot, on a summer day. Any 5-year-old child can notice that temperature has as much to do with ability to absorb heat as with the strength of the sun.
Far too many trolls here will not care about facts.
Thats so funny Windy. I nearly fell off my chair.
this post explains who doesn't care about facts.
You are still yet to show a single lie, yet you claim it all the time. You like to also claim any random AC is me, it's probably you. You are dishonest enough to pull that shit.
I often point out your lies and lies more lies more lies even more lies lies and lies When you aren't lying, you are just making shit up that is in no way believable, and lying.
Sorry, but that's not what the UN's own IPCC report says.
Here's some helpful information from another woman. . She too used to have trouble with temperatures.
And yet, America continues to drop our coal faster than other nations.
However, we are not dropping as fast as your nation is adding coal plants.
And Go fuck yourself, as you like to say.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
2 deg C (35.6 deg F) is kinda cold. I'd prefer not to have my temperature capped that low thank you very much.
(I know they probably mean temperature increase vs some arbitrarily chosen base, but the same mistake is made in several places in TFS, so it isn't just an isolated typo).
In Oct, 2018, it was known
Quick tell me the lottery numbers while you're here.
We are defiantly in a pickle. And as long as we continue basing our judgements and "progressiveness" on fear then we will not go very far. It may seem an odd sort of approach but I think we would have a better chance of doing things if we actually did things that are proven to work. Right now most of the offerings that are being laid out, and done, are for profiteering and don't actually work. The Paris Accord is just another example of this backward way of doing things.
Back when Chernobyl blew up, they only hat dosimeters that could measure up to 3.6 R/h. Which was fine.
All we have to do is develop thermometers that can only measure up to 2 degrees in change and we're set.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
"They favour a room of 25C (77F) compared with 22C (72F) for men"
Jesus christ are they fucking cold-blooded reptiles?
I think I saw that porn...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
What I always wondered, is there also an orthodise? Because I'd rather go there, paradise sounds like it's kinda distant and removed.
I know, the discussion is getting kinda meta now.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So making sure seatbelts and airbags work instead of hitting the brakes, gotcha.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Jeesh, if you make the announcer at buzzword bingo the first person calls BINGO before you're halfway through your speech.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It becomes your problem when the rabbits start landing on your beaches. Take a look at Europe, it already started over there.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Psssst - there's another stage: The Democrats could've stopped this twenty years ago, why didn't they do nothing?
China emits twice the CO2 as the US. I'm not sure how that translates into the US being worse. Supposedly, the climate doesn't care about how much CO2 each person emits individually, it's the entire total that matters. And right now - that is China. Unless you want to create CO2 rations for everyone? How about wealth rations? Food rations? Time rations?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
As far as mankind is concerned, the ideal temperature is anything in the range it has been over the last 10,000 years since we phased out the nomadic lifestyle and started living more in towns and cities. One reason why, is that we built them under the assumption that sea will not rise significantly, and if it does it will be expensive to deal with.
Life did indeed thrive during the eocene epoch around 50 million years ago, when it was hotter and early primate ancestors were well equipped to deal with it. We have evolved since then however, to be more suited to cooler temperatures. Note that the human race evolved during an ice age, and that we are still in that same ice age. If all we care about is that some life survives somewhere, then global warming is not an issue. The reason lots of people do care is because of its impact on mankind, particularly future generations.
Eventually the earth will turn into a desert regardless of whether we act or not. This is not hyperbole but a consequence of the sun getting continually hotter. This is expected to happen of the order of one billion years from now. Regardless of what we do, we can be sure the ice age will end eventually and we will have to deal with it. If it happens over millions of years then not only do we have time to plan and deal with it effectively but we have time to evolve into another species. If it happens over the next 100 years this is not the case, making it very much a plan B.
Any 5-year-old child can notice that temperature has as much to do with ability to absorb heat as with the strength of the sun.
That same 5-year-old can comprehend that our climate forcing has led to more of that heat being absorbed because the ice is melting, and the ice is more reflective than the ocean. Like you, however, they might find the idea that human activity has been causing the changes that are melting the ice to be challenging. That's why we are supposed to listen to the scientists that know the most about this stuff, and not just imagine how we would like things to be.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Of course you complete idiot. Asia has literally a couple billion more people. Americans obviously have a lot of AC already being a rich developed country. A lot of Asia is still too poor to be able to afford AC. As they get richer, they buy more AC !!
It's not like I haven't told you this over and over again. As people get richer their lifestyle changes and they become more like typical western lifestyles.
Please don't also be 'surprised' when they buy more cars. Or eat more meat, buy bigger houses, use more electricity, take more holidays, consume more crap.
Remind us all again though how it's OK for you to do those things, but not them.
Nuclear's proponents have to use lies and dirty tricks (like abuse of moderation) to oppose the truth.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Actually asshole. I disputed all of your lies/false accusation already. There is no sense continuing with you because you are neither honest, nor care about honesty, nor do you care about what is ahppening. All you do is lie constantly and simply harass. You are, a troll with nothing of value.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
its funny. 10 years ago, /. would not have allowed this. Now, this is a trolls paradise.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Caffinated Bacon/Crimson Tsunami is simply a troll. s?he has no real interest in what is happening to the planet or care about how to solve. China continues to grow their emissions and Pork continues to defend it as those it is ok to continue stabbing a victim.
The individual is a very twisted person who thinks that by knocking one nation that has cut their emissions by 30% already, that it somehow justifies another nation growing their emissions by 500%. Just amazing the logic that trolls have.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Just click the links and look idiot.
1 you admitted you were wrong, even though you lied about if for years and didn't bother to check.
The rest you just ran away.
And continued with the same lies again next time.
The only harassment is him constantly calling me a liar and a Chinese troll, with not the slightest bit of evidence.
I noted before you got away with your lies for a very long time. When will you finally stop?
Wrong. Porky, you continue to lie.
They do NOT need coal to escape it. That is what CHina is claiming and it is a lie. Wind, solar, hydro, geo-thermal and nukes are plenty good. I will say that nat gas is even cheaper than coal since CHina is exporting coal with all the new coal plants that they are forcing on other nations.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
No, it isn't. It is more populous, but it is just slightly smaller than the USA, which itself trails Canada and Russia.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
India lost their rivers to deforestation South France is losing the Rhones to deforestation Solution is simple, stop deforesting, replant around rivers, this will cool off plenty.
Neither the UN nor the governments really care if the problem gets solved or not as long as they maintain or increase their power over people's lives.
As for Billings, climate change projections of the mountain states like Montana is less winter snowpack, which translates to more water in the winter but less in the summer. This will have a patchwork of effects, many of which will be most pronounced states downstream in the Missouri River basin.
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China emits twice the CO2 as the US. I'm not sure how that translates into the US being worse. Supposedly, the climate doesn't care about how much CO2 each person emits individually, it's the entire total that matters. And right now - that is China. Unless you want to create CO2 rations for everyone? How about wealth rations? Food rations? Time rations?
Isn't that specifically the "progressive" holy grail? To have an authority of some sort dictate what people can and cannot have?
Climate change is less a problem to solved, than an opportunity to be taken advantage of to make progress towards a totalitarian State.
Peace is easy to achieve, just surrender. Liberty is much harder get/keep.
So the solution is what I've told you numerous times. Split China into 4 countries North, South, East and West China. Done. Solved.
Now America is the biggest polluter at twice the next 4 countries (the 4 Chinas). How will you now solve your problem?
You had no solutions, just trolling?
Don't you get a sore arm from patting yourself on the back so often?
Facts are facts, America per capita produces over twice the CO2 as China. The problem is clearly you.
How much higher must you have been in the past if even after decreasing 30% you are still twice China's levels?
How much lower must China have been if after growing 500% (probably another made up number but who is counting at this stage) they are still only up to 1/2 your levels?
You can't be remotely serious that countries should only be able to be like they were some arbitrary number of years ago and never develop.
You're just an apologist for your filthy ways. You think you must be somehow entitled to pollute the most because you got dirty first.
and you, are lying.
Show where?
Again, you run a red herring and lie.
Where is the lie?
America is 1/5 of the population of CHina.
Clear and obvious lie by you.
You clearly didn't read or understand my links. maybe basic logic was too hard for you?
The only reason America buys more EV cars is simply because they buy many many more cars in total.
As a percentage of new cars bought, China buys more electric cars that America. As shown in my post and link. Almost twice the level.
2017
2.1% of new cars in China were EV.
1.13% of new cars in America were EV
in 2016 they beat you 1.31% vs 0.9%
in 2015 they beat you 0.84% vs 0.68%
in 2014 they had less 0.23% vs 0.72%
China is higher and growing faster.
Exactly like I already said.
Someone could just as easily jump up and down screaming Americans per capita buy twice as many ICE cars as China. CO2 ! CO2 !
We wont stop global warming until ALL countries stop buying ICE cars Grrr *waves fist*
Remind me again why you are entitled to twice as many cars? Is it related to the reason you have and are entitled to twice the level of pollution?
And with ICE sales PER CAPITA and IN TOTAL, give me a BREAK. You nation China is the winner on that amongst ALL NATIONs.
That was your next lie. My link clearly showed per capita America buys over twice the number of cars.
Basically, your nation is getting worse. Hell, your gov allowed the manufacturing of CFCs even though you agreed to stop it. Now, you are dumping HUGE quantities in the air.
And your last lie, China's % is clearly growing ie getting better. Growing faster than yours even.
(lie #4 that hardly even counts compared to the others. China is not my nation.)
How the fuck CFC's are related to electric cars is something you may need to explain...
I'd better tell you that I think it's a discrace bla bla. Just to stop you coming up with lie #5 next time claiming I support it, like you claim I support coal.
Did you forget to take some medication?
If you are all circle jerking in your echo chamber. Pointing out your lies and trying to get you to actually think for a change is definitely adding to the conversation.
Some people clearly don't like it. But those people need to wake the fuck up and face reality.
If not, then find some private safe space so you can continue lying to yourselves.
PS: Have you been flagging everything as harassment with no justification? Cause that's not harassment is it...
More baseless accusations.
Why didn't you at least attempt to discuss the points raised in the post you replied to? You just have to reply to everything I say and call me a liar without the slightest bit of proof.
And you have the nerve to say I'm harassing you?
You can't be at all serious.
So allow me to respond in kind.
You are right, it's not like Chinese carry around a bag with 7.5 t of CO2 in it and Americans carry around a bag with 15 t of CO2. It all gets mixed together.
You want China to cut back to American levels. Fine, good target, saves the world 5 million kt of CO2.
Well one efficient way would be to kill off 1/2 their population.
Killing 700 million Chinese will save 5 million kt of CO2 from being emitted.
But wait, if the goal is to reduce CO2 by 5 million kt. Wouldn't it be much more efficient to just kill 330 million Americans instead?
Far more humane.
What evidence do you have that China is 9.
Facts are facts Windy, China's % of renewable electricity is much much higher than America's.25% vs 14%. Per capita you might be growing faster. But your electricity use is also much much higher. So your electricity still makes more CO2 per person than China's.
Simple example of why what you claim is good is actually meaningless.
Country A installs 1 unit of solar electricity capacity per person.
Country B installs 3 units of solar electricity capacity per person.
Which is greener?
Which produces the most CO2?
Thats right, there is no way to tell without also knowing how much electricity the 2 countries use.
Country A uses 1 unit of electricity per person.
Country B uses 6 units of electricity per person.
Country A produces zero CO2
Country B produces 3 units worth of CO2
America is country B in this example...
Same for cars btw. Per person you may buy more electric cars, but you buy twice as many cars. As a percentage of cars you are worse than China.
The other cars are the problem, just like the other electricity is what causes the CO2.
(Tap out Windy, the logic just isn't with you.)
Again you accuse me of lying with no evidence whatsoever.
When will you learn Windy?
You are still yet to show a single lie, yet you claim it all the time. You like to also claim any random AC is me, it's probably you. You are dishonest enough to pull that shit.
I often point out your lies and lies more lies more lies even more lies lies and lies When you aren't lying, you are just making shit up that is in no way believable, and lying.
America also exports a lot of gas.
International Energy Agency: while top exporters Qatar and Australia will remain formidable competitors, the U.S. could be the largest LNG exporter by 2025 if new projects achieve their final investment decision over the next two years.
Yes gas isn't as bad as coal, but it's no wind or solar.
I wonder who exports the most wind and solar...?
Anyone building hydro or nukes in other countries...?
Governments are largely incompetent - leave this to markets. The issues are being worked on. Just get these idiot bureaucrats out of the way.
I still my climate by renewables.
Renewables leave a green stain
The green stain is a warming.
It is by capital that I set renewable investment in motion.
Let the capital flow!
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The people living in the hottest places on the planet are the least likely to have air conditioners
Maybe a picture will help explain it for the slower people.
It's a bit out of date (2014) but shows Americans per person use 3x as much power.
30% of 3 is 0.9
69% of 1 is 0.69
You can probably figure out which one is bigger...
Despite your drop and their increase, you still use more.
Humans are not compatible with the planet. Self greed ranks higher than off spring preservation, which is crappy and I suppose we deserve to fail. Creating heat through bitcoin mining, stupid, but proves my point. Burning fossil fuels, not only exhausting supply but puts the burden on future generations to sort out just so that the current generation can make a quick profit.
Why UNIX?