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Pretty Clear GRU's Goal Was To Weaken a Future Clinton Presidency, Former Facebook CSO Says (zdnet.com)

Speaking at the TechCrunch Disrupt tech conference this week, former Facebook chief security officer Alex Stamos reflected on his time dealing with fake news and Russian intelligence interference ahead and after the 2016 US presidential election. From a report: The former Facebook security head said "it [was] pretty clear the GRU's goal was to weaken a future Hillary presidency. Putin has a [you know, it's been well-documented] like a personal antipathy towards her and believes that she was behind the protests against him in the 2012 Russian election, and so, the GRU activity was specifically focused on weakening her."

"I think it was less about actually electing Trump," Stamos added. "I find it unlikely that the Russians are better than Nate Silver at predicting elections."
What kind of attacks could we expect in the near future? Per Stamos, "Throwing an election one way or another is going to be very difficult for a foreign adversary but throwing any election into chaos is totally doable right now."

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  1. Read another way... by Zorro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Install a weak president.

    1. Re:Read another way... by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Read another way... Install a weak president.

      No, help to make sure a weakened president was elected. Hillary Clinton getting elected was a foregone conclusion for everyone but a statistics guy inside the Trump campaign, maybe Ann Coulter, and a few others. Every foreign government was saying it out loud, every media outlet in the US was sure of it, every academic expert was convinced of it. The Russians were taking steps to turn her taking power into something more suited to their taste: make it as awful for her as possible, making her as ineffective (at blunting Putin's aspirations) as possible. Another hint that was the case: the Russian actions altered tone, pace, and targets the moment she lost. They didn't want Trump as president, they wanted known-to-be-corrupt, feckless person like Clinton - someone whose family they had already enriched and who exhibited a taste for cashing in on Russian and similar engagement from other nasty types.

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    2. Re: Read another way... by kenh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Think this through - Putin & friends were able to thwart the election for abut $100K in ads, and Hillary with her $1BN budget couldn't overcome that influence/meddling?

      Serious question - what was the last US presidential election the Russians *didn't* meddle in?

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    3. Re: Read another way... by will_die · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But in the past it was for the Democrats so it did not matter.

    4. Re: Read another way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      No, more accurately, Trump won because of the majority of people, who disliked both candidates, a small fraction disliked Trump slightly less than they disliked Clinton.

      When elected, Trump was the most disliked president elect in history. If Clinton had been elected, she would also have been the most disliked president elect in history.

    5. Re: Read another way... by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, please.

      Firstly, that's the ads that Facebook found. There may be far more that Facebook did not identify.

      But the ads were a tiny part of Russia's campaign. Russia used troll farms to influence people though cost-free posts.

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    6. Re: Read another way... by bestweasel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why do you minimize the Russian spend?

    7. Re: Read another way... by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's why there are laws in electoral advertising.When you don't have to be transparent, advertising can be far more effective/manipulative.

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    8. Re: Read another way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Occam's razor says "Hillary really was a shitty candidate" is an even simpler hypothesis than "Russians brainwashed everybody".

    9. Re:Read another way... by Targon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hillary is universally hated by virtually every Republican, and disliked by a good percentage of the Democrats. Then you have those who are not in either party but tend to vote for one party over the other, and THOSE tended to dislike Hillary a lot as well. The best way to avoid foreign interference is to have candidates who people want to see as president, rather than candidates who are only seen as slightly better than the other(depending on your perspective). Clinton vs. Trump, neither one should have been allowed anywhere near the White House!

    10. Re: Read another way... by AlanObject · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hillary was torpedoed by Comey. Had that not happened the Russian interference would not have mattered except to elect more Republicans to congress perhaps. Which is what they wanted.

    11. Re: Read another way... by OYAHHH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Odd, I'm a baby boomer and Donald Trump is doing exactly what I wanted him to do when I voted for him.

      That's not gullibility. That is smart voting.

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    12. Re: Read another way... by DamnOregonian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't appear that way at all. Putin says it happened. He says it because there were protests, and because the US Government's media mouthpieces supported those protests.

      There were protests this year too. Did Trump cause them? Or better, Trump's secretary of state?

      A dictator who runs rigged elections blames popular protests on old-timey mortal enemy. News at fucking 11.

    13. Re: Read another way... by greythax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's only smart if what you "wanted him to do" is actually in your best interests. Otherwise we are back to gullibility.

  2. Clinton Meddling by ebonum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fair Question: Did Clinton meddle in the Russian election?

    1. Re:Clinton Meddling by DogDude · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why would that matter one way or the other?

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    2. Re:Clinton Meddling by mukinrestak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, for those who may not actually know about it, the US government (and in some cases also corporations!) has meddled in the elections of every single country in Central and South America. Every last one. They've also off the top of my head meddled in German, Iranian, French, and pretty much all of the Soviet bloc states elections.

      So did they meddle in Russia? You bet your sweet caboose they did. I'd be willing to bet there isn't a country on earth whose elections the US hasn't meddled in, unless of course it's one that has no elections with which to meddle.

  3. 2 years later... by TimMD909 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... And there's still a ridiculous amount of derangement. Hilldog was a bad candidate who few outside the far left liked. She was caught meddling in her own party's process to boot Bernie. She tried pretending that destroying evidence on her personal email server was an innocent mistake. Worst of all, she pretended to be a saint when she is definitely not. That wolf in sheeps clothing never sat well with me. Look up Hitchens thoughts on her for more things to be unsettled about. Now 2 years later, uncountable hours have gone into trying to shift the blame. When will the Dems admit it was a mistake to have her as the candidate?

    1. Re:2 years later... by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hilldog was a bad candidate who few outside the far left liked.

      What on Earth are you talking about? Clinton was loved by Centrists and the Establishment Right. It was everyone to the left of that, moderate to "far" (is there such a thing in the US?) left, that wanted a better candidate.

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  4. Yes, you are alone :) by gDLL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's like saying "what's this CIA abbreviation?"........ this is why the americans get called ignorant :)

  5. A campaign to damage America, not to elect Trump by XXongo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Both sides spent roughly a billion dollars on their campaigns.

    The closer an election is, the more a small effect will tip the result. The 2016 election turned out to tilt on 80,000 votes in three states, a very small margin in an election in which 57.6 million people voted.

    The Russian campaign contributions had a significant advantage; they didn't even have a need to pretend to truth or accuracy or morality. They were aiming for disruption of America by any means necessary, with no concern for collateral damage.

    (and note that your figure of "$100K in ads" is the documented part of the advertising budget for their interference-- we don't have any idea of the full extent of it, but that is only the barest tip of the iceberg, not even including the money spent on trolls and fake grass-roots organizations. The full extent was a lot higher than that, and we have no idea how much higher.)

  6. Re: A campaign to damage America, not to elect Tru by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, no. She doubled Trump up. Even if you add money for Russian interference.

  7. National turmoil by MikeMo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're not only creating election turmoil, they're amplifying and exploiting the issues we have in this country. I believe they are partly to blame for all the left-right anger and hate.

  8. Re:A campaign to damage America, not to elect Trum by merky1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the callousness in which you treat the general population is quite amazing. If the two candidates where identical, you might be right. But this was black vs. white. There was no common ground between the two. If you are saying that 100K of advertising is all it takes to tip someone from black to white, then our "election" process is beyond repair. Really, people made the opinion early on, and disregarded information based on their bias.

    This fantasy world that people live in where obviously the Russians are the ONLY reason Trump is president is amazing. Admitting Hillary was a flawed candidate would really help the democrats swing centrists, but instead they prefer to go off the rails.

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  9. Re: A campaign to damage America, not to elect Tru by ilguido · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On top of that the vast majority of the media companies endorsed Hillary Clinton. 500 newspapers endorsed Hillary Clinton, while only 28 endorsed Trump and an additional 30 newspapers, including USA Today, were outright against Trump.

    But the big question is: why did the GRU know where to spend their (up to) $100,000 (including post electoral expenditures), while Hillary Clinton and her staff did not? Probably because it is all an excuse for a very poor performance, after all the money she spent and all the media support she gained.