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The EU Could Vote To Wreck the Internet Tomorrow (vice.com)
The EU is preparing to vote Wednesday on sweeping new copyright guidelines that could dramatically reshape the internet and potentially harm your ability to share content online. From a report: As noted previously, the proposal is being driven by rights holders frightened by technological change, including brick and mortar publishers eager to blame companies like Google for their failure to evolve in the modern internet era. And while the EU's new Copyright Directive may be a well intentioned effort to modernize EU copyright rules, it still contains numerous provisions that could significantly harm the open internet. Most of those provisions remain largely intact despite a July vote that sent the proposal back to the drawing board in the wake of widespread activist backlash. The most problematic provisions of the plan include new licensing fees for sharing anything more than "insubstantial" portions of content. Such a "link tax" could prove costly for small news outlets, and, depending on final wording, could put volunteer-centric organizations like Wikipedia at risk since the original proposal failed to include a noncommercial exception.
The most controversial component of the plan mandates that any website that lets users upload text, sounds, images, code, or other copyrighted works for public consumption (read: most of them) would need to employ automated copyright systems that filter these submissions against a database of copyrighted works at the website owner's expense. As we've consistently highlighted, such filters routinely don't work very well.
The most controversial component of the plan mandates that any website that lets users upload text, sounds, images, code, or other copyrighted works for public consumption (read: most of them) would need to employ automated copyright systems that filter these submissions against a database of copyrighted works at the website owner's expense. As we've consistently highlighted, such filters routinely don't work very well.
Like anyone in the US visits EU sites.
We'll just ban EU links.
>> The EU Could Vote To Wreck the Internet Tomorrow
Not unless it's Chrissy Teegan, or another starlet who regularly casts shade and claps back.
I feel like there is quite a bit of bias in this article
And how does such a database of copyrighted works work?
Full text of anything ever generated? every frame of every film in case someone might make a meme of it?
Not to mention, who oversees it. " He who has the Gold (copyright DB control) makes the Rules. "
Assuming that they will vote to wreck the internet, how much of the internet is under EU jurisdiction?
Facebook is not an EU company...
And disconnect them from the global internet.
In the long term the only thing they'll break is the ability of the EU to access the Internet. Filtering their addresses and any lost business is far cheaper than and expensive and pointless filtering system and legal exposure.
I'll have you know that America already voted to wreck the Internet.
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It is the same as their "30% of content must be locally produced" Law proposals. it is a way to direct foreign companies money into local coffers.
I'm ever more strongly inclined to have them push through the most obviously lobbied-together most atrociously anti-free-speech filtering censorship everything for all websites accessable from the EU. And I warmly invite every website inside the EU to shut down on user content as much as possible and every website outside the EU to block anything EU by geoIP.
Burn it down. Burn it all down. If that doesn't get my fellow EU-citizens up in arms against the EU, well, then what will?
one for the EU, one for everybody else. let the EU built the filters on their own dime, or just pull out.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
APK wrecks the internet like truckers wreck his ass while manning the glory hole at the Pilot Travel Center off of I81. He stuffs it full of ads just like they stuff his mouth with smelly cock.
Faceb. has no U.S. offices, like iApple, their corporate office is in some EU tax-haven country. ...the more you know.
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The internet is in no way open or fair. Just look at how conservative voices have been censered everywhere. This laws must be passed in order to prevent the companies like Google from blocking the free market of ideas with extreme liberal free speech violation. Google is a huge donor to Clinton and Soros funds, and are in investigation around the world for their antifree speech tacticks.
It's because of them that I have websites constantly saying, "We use cookies on our website to track you" et cetera. I thought the US solution under DMCA was good:
- You upload something
- It gets taken down
- You respond by saying "This does not infringe copyright" and the item gets reinstated by the website (as required by DMCA).
- At that point the copyright claimant must either file a lawsuit and Prove in court that they are the legitimate owner.... or just let it go.
It provides a way for us average people to deal with takedown requests, without causing permanent harm. It appears the EU and the corporate donors will dismantle this regime, so you have NO way to reinstate legitimate uploads of yur own creation.
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That should solve the problem.
What? They have offices in California.
The internet will be broken sooner or later. The old entrenched powers are reasserting themselves.
DMCA is pretty crappy regardless.
Overall we (the people) would be better-served by weaker copyright enforcement. There would be a few "tragedy of the commons" moments where enthusiastic/shady people could kill a decent project through the sheer force of copyright violation - some would argue the Sega Dreamcast falls into that category.
In the vast majority of cases, weak/non-existent enforcement of copyright law is of great benefit to society where money is not changing hands.
The only time it really makes sense to enforce copyright law is when one monied interest seeks to profit from violating someone else's copyright.
Publishers are doing just fine, it's the journalism profession that's not. It's because journalism never established a culture over the last 200 years of habituating people to pay money directly for the content. So now only a handful of publications have such a rapport with their readers that they can get them to pay a premium to access the content.
It gets worse when you realize that in the US (I know this is Europe) at least half of the content came from Reuters or the AP, so where was the value of buying Local Paper over the NY Times or WaPo at that point? To see a handful of local interest stories you'd probably get through gossip anyway?
you have NO way to reinstate legitimate uploads of yur own creation
You're assuming the ONLY way to put content on the web is via the "social media" sites. That couldn't be further from the truth. You can post whatever you like on your own web site, without worrying about takedown requests.
You're bitching about Facebook, not the web. Don't use Facebook.
I don't respond to AC's.
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I think this is a good law. It finally makes the "social media" sites police what's on their servers. They can and they should. They make have to make a few billion less dollars than before, but tough shit. I know exactly what's on my web server, and I'm responsible for it. These giant web sites can very easily do the same.
I don't respond to AC's.
The politicians think they can regulate behavior with a pen again.
Good luck with that.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Since linking to anything directly will cost money, I propose a new approach - a google search link where you know the first result will be the link target.
Then we could easily write extensions for browsers to convert a Google link with some special URL query param to automatically visit the first link result... might fail sometimes but it would work often enough to be useful.
Can't stop the signal, EU.
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Faceb. has no U.S. offices, like iApple, their corporate office is in some EU tax-haven country. ...the more you know.
And you don't know anything.
Their corporate offices are in the U.S., but they claim that all of their revenue comes from a subsidiary in [some other country]. Just like Microsoft, whose headquarters is in Washington, but they claim that their $70 Billion in revenue all comes from a tiny office in Nevada where there is no state income tax, allowing them to legally screw Washington State out of billions in taxes.
Checked, as expected Facebook is legally a Delaware corp.
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It's because of them that I have websites constantly saying, "We use cookies on our website to track you" et cetera. I thought the US solution under DMCA was good:
I hate the EU's half baked ideas as much as the next person... but you are comparing two solutions to entirely different problems, cookies have nothing to do with copyright protection.
A. Facebook is not the Internet. It's a shitty website that preys on stupid people.
B. Anybody can compete with Facebook. This law just says that you'll have to monitor the content, just like Facebook is going to have to do.
C. The Internet is alive and well for those with brains. For dummies who think the Internet is Facebook... well... they never really used the web... any more than the people who used AOL did.
I don't respond to AC's.
From a mechanics of dealing with copyright it isn't bad.
The Europeans might not like the idea of Google or Facebook interfering in their elections
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You go through the bloodiest conflicts in human history, and the whole better to seek forgiveness than ask permission idea gets a little threadbare.
Let them do it. Let's see how they like their internet then.
That has lead to the explosive and valuable growth of internet companies in the US -- any company that lets people post stuff need only take down copyrighted items in a timely manner when notified of the violation, and they are safe from a lawsuit.
This has greatly hampered companies in Europe, to Europe's detriment. This new stuff will only exacerbate it as it is more than worth it for companies to spit implementation than let Europe decide the form of the Internet.
Btw this is what that idiot US senator was threatening to get rid of if Google and Facebook didn't self-censor to the government's liking. Go ahead, fool, and do an anti-American thing and punish those who don't censor (if the SC lets you, which is unlikely) destroying their trillion dollar stock value and crushing the retirement savings of tens of millions.
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#DeleteFacebook
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Maybe I will setup some servers that link to EU content, see how they come after me.. Better yet, put content on my site, that EU sites want to copy, and go after the EU companies for having my content linked from their sites. I mean, can't facebook sue every single news organization for having a [f] logo on their site?
Silly alarmist article is silly and alarmist. And they're just talking about the web. This doesn't affect any of the other numerous things the internet does, besides serving web pages.
And how the hell are they going to enforce this? Who would run a website in these proposed conditions? I wouldn't, I'd relocate my server to a more friendly nation without stupid rules. In this day and age, your geological location matters less and less. I can rent a server anywhere in the world from my home, in my PJs and slippers.
How exactly are they going to 'force' a website located outside the EU to comply with their rules? Seems like they're are shooting themselves in the foot with this stupidity.
Internet knows no borders, and the EU trying to erect a wall around their internet..well.. they are going to find this all just insanely difficult to implement. So good luck with that. The internet will be just fine without you, thank you very much.
Odd timing but very related - For anyone who doesn't know (which for Slashdot is likely many of you), Twitch again became the latest target of "automated takedowns" yesterday. In their case takedowns were sent by the EFA (European Football Federation). What really isn't funny is that one of their requests was for Lirik - a Streamer who not only wasn't broadcasting any matches, but has somewhat of a running joke in his hatred for all things Football. Really doesn't help he is a large, well connected one either.
They literally sent an email which was processed automatically (according to Twitch), and he was banned. No copyright strike, no warning, instant shutdown mid stream infront of thousands. This is the world the EU is voting to further.
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/9eqf2j/lirik_banned/
https://twitter.com/LIRIK/status/1039261384683466753
What there should be is a tax on ad revenue based on the country where the eyeballs are located at.
Suddenly everyone becomes contractors
database of copyrighted works
GREAT! All I need to do is start a website and I can get a digital copy of every copyrighted work for free from this database. No more torrents!
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It's dying and needs to die.
Corporatism != Free Market
Slight correction. Your corporate office is where your hide, whoops! I mean book the largest amount of corporate revenue. And all the tech companies who have parked revenue in other countries are required to transfer their foreign accounts into US accounts and be subject to US taxes. Right now companies can defer paying taxes US taxes until they repatriate their overseas revenue. The longer they take to repatriate the money the higher the tax rate.
Large parts of the web have gone dark or unusable for EU residents because of fucking "data protection" and "cookie law", thanks for noticing.
I'd buy that if I could still get the Sunday-only paper delivered for $20 a month. That was a perfect setup for me, and I could support the paper. Then they got rid of that rate and I had to buy two papers a week plus the digital subscription for $50 a month. I didn't want that so I unsubscribed, and a lot of other people did, too.
Look at the GDPR. It applies to US sites too, if those companies want to do business in the EU, which all the big ones do because of how huge of a market that is.
You cannot escape this.
"The EU Could Vote to Wreck the Internet Tomorrow"
"As noted previously, the proposal is being driven by rights holders frightened by technological change, including brick and mortar publishers eager to blame companies like Google for their failure to evolve in the modern internet era."
No the internet will not be wrecked tomorrow. No this is not driven by businesses that failed to "evolve in the modern internet era."
Stop being a fucking ass-hole and report the facts. That's all you need to do, promoting FUD does not help your argument.
And need I point out that you're being fucking hypocrite and Luddite when you say businesses need to evolve in the internet age but at the same time say technology solutions (automated copyright systems) won't work in policing copyrighted works. So you need to evolve but only to a certain point?
Ass.
No, but the EU cannot match the US if it push really comes to shove, and they know it. Dieselgate was a friendly reminder to all European leaders that the US can simply say "be not"and their economy dies. The EU can exist because the US allow it. They couldn't even face Serbia off on their own. Maybe it's time to make the average european's life just a little more difficult. Just to send a message.
Meanwhile, back here in reality, your fantasy has precisely 0% of chance of happening and would cause a trade war on a scale that will torpedo the US economy too.
I mean this literally - other than EU technocrats, who cares? Whenever it's time to buy a new copyright protection scheme, I go down to the copyright protection scheme store and buy what they have in stock that fits my budget.
I don't care if it's OLED powered, CCFL powere or fairy dust powered. A copyright protection scheme is a copyright protection scheme is a copyright protection scheme.
It's 80% Trump's fault and 40% Obama's fault!
Thanks, Obrumpa!
Which is quite a feat for an organization that doesn't have any guns. Let's just ignore them.
That will be the net result. It will just be too costly to do business with the EU if you run any sort of 'user content forum' or have news content, or a search engine... F-em.
I thought the US solution under DMCA was good
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It's because of them that I have websites constantly saying, "We use cookies on our website to track you" et cetera.
Yeah damn them providing choice rather than just loading you with so much tracking garbage that your browser slows to a crawl. You should google how much faster common websites load in the EU compared to the USA because of that pesky meddling. The time you spent clicking ignore is well made up for how much time you save not loading tracking scripts and planting 100 cookies for a stateless loginless session.
1. Your corporate office is where you book the largest amount of corporate revenue.
2. All the tech companies who have parked revenue in other countries are required to transfer their foreign accounts into US accounts and be subject to US taxes.
Okay so how does that work for non-US companies? Also, your first law just declared that your corporate office could be in another country. That would mean Apple is an Irish company and would not be subjected to your second law.
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Does the EU have a worldwide police force with rights to operate in every country on the planet? No? Then I don't see how they'd enforce such utter nonsense as this, any more than they could censor the Internet. How, really, do they think they can enforce anything on a website that's not hosted in an EU country? Rhetorical question, they can't. I guess they can demand that everyone block the aforementioned website, but again, do they really think they have some special power to allow them to enforce their rules on non-EU countries? More clueless, toothless legislation by moron politicians who don't understand the Internet.
This is utter SHIT and the so-called 'author' needs to have his legs broken and computer smashed.
Meanwhile in the real world every single time Obama whispered "jump" the whole of the EU timidly asked "how high, my lord?" :)
Why? Because he makes you look like powerless fools who can't control him and that you can't do better work as he makes you run DRY of downmodpoints you abuse?? Yes. He also tells you to STOP DOING WHAT YOU DO AT TRUCKSTOPS too (hahahaha) https://news.slashdot.org/comm... after you projected you do it!
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I really hope that laws like this and the closed garden culture will eventually lead some people to create another web/gopher/usenet within the internet, which will be freer than this one. Yes, I know this a naive hope, but let me dream.
Avantgarde Hebrew science fiction
If you aren't that retard APK pretending he has support then you are an even bigger fucking retard for supporting the a giant lying pussy who can't backup anything he says.
Content will just move to i2p and .onion networks.
Technical people will keep using DC and RetroShare.
Yawn.
You're doing it wrong. Don't reply, just click the little report flag in the corner, type "spam", and click the report button. One person reporting doesn't do anything, but enough people reporting him will get him a ban and I think it will remove the post.
So do tell me please: can you provide a logically consistent definition of the word "spammer" that somehow does not describe what you're doing right here in the parent post?
Bonus points if you can simply answer that single easy-to-understand question without digressing into other topics.
Nearly every corporation in America is a Delaware corporation for tax purposes. They pay individuals to live there and be on the payroll exclusively to be their legal representative in the state.
You can even do this yourself very easily on legal websites such as LegalZoom, etc.
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Time for the next search to have a few limits.
Use the -site:"nation" to stop getting search results from country domains in Europe.
Create a no EU results add on for a browser and a list of search engines?
No links to any EU nation.
The rest of the internet just moves around all EU content and EU online publications.
Filter the EU from daily internet use. Support nations that have the freedom to publish and support the freedom to link.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
You can't share links to websites, so everything has to be done through corporate owned social networks. This is very disturbing.
It's already running at 10 Gbps in many areas and 100 Gbps near portals and it will continue to function without all this cruft your ad-supported "internet" relies on.
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There is no copyright protection scheme store.
Everything is copyright, even though most of it was never produced for profit, and nobody is likely to pay for it.
This just makes the material unavailable. Imagine Wikipedia with virtually no photos at all.
how anti free speech Europe is. All of it was pro Nazi Germany. At best they did not disagree. That is why it was only non mainland Europe countries that fought them.They want the Holocaust to disappear into quiet nothingness and everyone to do as they are told.
Look retarded pussy APK is having a conversation with himself because he is still trying to make it look like he has support. Too bad both posts use the exact same language, posting style, argument style, and linking style. APK must really like showing how much of a retarded loser he actually is. If it isn't him then his supporters are even bigger retards than he is but we all know APK can't stand it when he doesn't get the last word and will mindlessly respond even if it is him just pretending that he has some support.
You're assuming the ONLY way to put content on the web is via [YouTube and other] "social media" sites. That couldn't be further from the truth.You can post whatever you like on your own web site, without worrying about takedown requests.
YouTube has a feature that lists "related videos" and "recommended for you", including videos from other uploaders. On desktop, this is down the right column. On mobile, it appears in a scrolling list below the video. In the case of hosting video on your own domain, what do you put in place to replace this feature? Is buying AdWords the most effective way to get your video recommended to viewers?
Articles in an encyclopedia are supposed to be verifiable, containing claims supported by reliable secondary sources. If no reliable secondary sources have covered a subject, how is it even possible to build a verifiable article about that subject? I'm interested in your answer to that question, as it'll help others explain notability.
If publishing a printed periodical is so costly, then how do nonprofit publishers that accept no ads stay in business? Such an organization publishes Consumer Reports, a monthly magazine that reviews products marketed to individual home users.
I just have to make sure that people don't post copyrighted stuff on it, just like I do now on my own website.
What steps would you take to ensure that? I guess you could paywall the service and use the revenue to hire someone to review each post for copyright infringement before it becomes visible to the public. Is that practical? How would the reviewer even be familiar with all copyrighted works in existence? Or what other practical means of prior review did you have in mind?
How long has APK been doing this? Certainly long enough that the fault is now with Slashdot for putting up with APK, but at some point the fault lies with readers for putting up with Slashdot.
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They're a body that the US should model itself by... oh they're so great!
We all like free stuff but c'mon guys! You're fighting for the copyright infringers.
The provisions of "you must provide copyright filters on any upload site" seem tailor made to restrict content uploaded to Wikileaks. That's something to keep in mind, if such laws are universal throughout the UK and make no clear accomodations for journalism.
Of course it hot-diggety-did, goshdarnit.
What other possible explanation is there for the overwhelming "no" in the Brexit vote after his 'back of the queue" threat?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
That would actually be APK who is still busy sucking trucker dick so instead his even more retarded supporter needs to defend him. Too bad his retarded supporter talks just like him.
I publish whatever i want, without censorship, because i don't use platforms. You can too.....
This legislation was already brought before the EU parliament by the Commission in July, but the MEPs voted against it. Of course, advocates of the EU claimed 'See, the EU *is* democratic!' at the time. Yet here we are, two months (and presumably a few MEPs paid off) later, and the *unelected* Commission pushes the same bill onto the Parliament again. This time, the vote is won. But that's neither here nor there, for if it had not been so, the Commission would have simply pushed it through time and time again until they got what they wanted.
providing choice rather than just loading you with so much tracking garbage
Where is there a consumer choice involved that wasn't there before?
You should google how much faster common websites load in the EU compared to the USA because of that pesky meddling.
This has not-much to do with the meddling on its face and much more to do with Privacy Laws that have teeth.
Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
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the final text says:
" la nouvelle version du texte prévoit notamment des exceptions pour des plateformes non commerciales telles que Wikipedia, ainsi que pour les logiciels open source mis en ligne sur des plateformes comme Github. Le texte prévoit également d’épargner les petites et micro structures de ces obligations afin de préserver l’innovation.
"the new version of the text plans to mmake exeptions for non commercial sites as Wikipedia and for open source sites as Github. the text plans to let the smal and very small companies to escape this law in the mean to preserve innovation. (ugly english, isn't it?)
the firs mean for this law is to restrain the big companies as Google and Facebook. And it's a good thing becauses thes companies dry out the revenues of the main news sites in Europe.