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FDA Chief Considers Ban of All Flavored E-Cigarettes (wsj.com)
Calling a surge in teen use of e-cigarettes an epidemic, the head of the Food and Drug Administration says he is considering pulling all flavored e-cigarettes from the U.S. market. From a report: After years of declining U.S. smoking rates, sales of e-cigarettes have jumped in the past year, fueled in part by online startups selling vaporizers and nicotine-laced liquids. The most popular brand, Juul, sells refills with mango, cucumber and creme flavors. Each $4 pod contains as much nicotine as a pack of cigarettes. "The number of teenagers we believe are now using these products... has reached an epidemic proportion," said FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is expected to announce new measures Wednesday to curb underage use. Dr. Gottlieb said he believes that certain flavors make the products appealing to teens. "The availability of e-cigarettes cannot come at the expense of addicting a new generation of youth onto nicotine, and it won't," he said in an interview. Alternative source, and official announcement.
Ban cigarettes while your at it dipshit.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
No one wants to walk though your cloud of second-hand blueberry fumes!
Sure, you can regulate pre-made juice and disposable e-cigs but refillable e-cigs allows me the option to purchase the individual components to make my own e-juice.
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If you want e-cigs to help smokers stop smoking, that's one thing, but to have it generally available to everyone is just crazy.
That's a LARGE part of the market, the overwhelming majority of people I know who vape do so specifically as a way to quit smoking. They start reducing the amount of nicotine in the juice over time, and eventually can reduce to zero. Then it's just a regular habit instead of a full blown addiction.
Not applicable to teens, perhaps, but it has helped my dad quit smoking and slowly decrease the nicotine content over time. Addiction aside, it is a stimulant, so there's that as something people might like.
So....here we have a situation where:
1). People want the nicotine.
2). Companies have an incentive to provide it.
So what's baffling about these e-cigarettes having nicotine?
The baffling and just crazy part is you thinking it is any of your business.
I know some that have switched to vape because it is cheaper than cigarettes.
The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
They do seem to be milking this situation in the most hypocritical way.
On the one hand, restrict, preach, shame.
On the other, tax, tax, tax.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
I have to say I agree with this.
There's nothing worse than smelling donuts or cotton candy, and you turn the corner thinking "Mmmm I'm gonna treat myself to something tasty!"
But no... It's just Brad and his cloud of LIES.
Why stop there? Ban all caffeine too! It is addictive and has the same risk factors as nicotine. Plus all those sugary caffeinated drinks are clearly marketed solely to get children addicted.
Nicotine in vape liquid is not "to get people addicted". It is because people want nicotine. People like nicotine because it is a stimulant. Nicotine is addictive because it is a stimulant and because people like it.
Here here. This move completely ignores the fact that sales are only for those over 18, and the science on the issue: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review
Nicotine on its own is much like caffeine: highly addictive, but not that harmful. It's the other crap in cigarettes that kills you. Vaping has no carcinogens.
But don't let science get in the way of some good political FUD, eh?
Except that the marketing is aimed at getting new people into that truly filthy and medically self destructive habit.
Citation Needed
In this case, cigarettes hardly ever get fruit flavouring, thus smokers can't be accustomed to that, and the argument about helping them drop the habit is pure bullshit.
I actually started smoking originally when the Camel Crema, Izmir Stingers, and other flavored cigarettes were around. I switched to cloves after those were dropped. The thing with flavored e-Cigs is that they they actually taste good and smell good. It was a good alternative to smoking and it made me smell better. Anecdotally, majority of the people who vape at my local shop are all ex smokers. Yeah, there are a few kids chasing the fad, but they are the minority.
Mind if I ask you if you also hold the belief that alcohol should also not come in any flavors (anything from Smirnoff Ice to Schnapps) as well?
Helped me quit too. Vaping is the first thing that really worked. Those patches, gum, etc. are fucking worthless. But vaping let me draw down my nicotine usage until I didn't need it at all anymore.
I suspect that's why to government wants to ban vaping. If people quit smoking, then goodbye tobacco tax revenues. Vaping scares the tobacco industry and politicians, because it actually WORKS in getting people off their over-taxed cancer sticks.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
It helped me quit. Do you think I'm bullshit?
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Wow, you don't seem to be able to handle disagreement very well.
The intention is to satisfy the Nicotine craving while eliminating the harmful toxins and poisons of the Tobacco. Nicotine is addictive, but other than that and being a mild stimulant like caffeine it isn't harmful.
It gives the most commonly claimed benefit of cigs, the stimulation of the Nicotine) without the poisons. Of course it makes sense to include nicotine.
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No, they don't.
Sure they do. Plenty of people like the high it provides them. Just like coffee drinkers like the high that it provides, or that alcohol drinkers like the effects that alcohol has on them.
The baffling part is how you and your ilk are willing to sell-out society because you cling to the idea that nothing should stand in the way of a company making a profit.
I'm not selling out anybody. I've got no profit motive here. And I don't even care if someone else is making a profit. That's the point. My perspective is not based on profits.
This isn't about personal freedoms
That is EXACTLY what it is about.
it's about protecting people who are scientifically proven to not possess all the faculties to make an informed decision which will most definitely negatively impact their future.
One of the most important freedoms you have is to make your own decisions about your life - and that includes making decisions that, objectively, are not in your own best interest. Freedom provides an opportunity to BOTH succeed AND make mistakes.
I've got no problem with people voluntarily abstaining from such substances. I've got a lot of problem with people being forced to abstain OR CONSUME such substances.
By your logic, no one under the age of 25 or so, because science has shown the brain is not fully developed by then, should be able to make any decisions that materially affect their future or others...everything from driving a car, to having sex, having an abortion, getting married, choosing a school, choosing a career, choosing where to live, etc. etc. etc. One bad choice in any of that can FUCK YOU UP! For the betterment of society, the state will have to make all those choices for you. Yeah. No thanks.
Yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine
it's well documented that Nicotine is the primary addictive ingredient in tobacco. But it's health risks are minimal. If you can get the nicotine without the tobacco it's far better for your body.
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But don't let science get in the way of some good political FUD, eh?
Then how do you explain new results that show vaping to be nearly as harmful as smoking, just in very different ways?
Propaganda, from sources that prefer people to smoke cigarettes because that benefits them.
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