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China Now the Most Prolific Contributor To Physical Sciences, Engineering, and Math (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Thirty years ago in December, the modern exchange of scholars between the U.S. and China began. Since then, Chinese academics have become the most prolific global contributors to publications in physical sciences, engineering and math. Recent attempts by the U.S. to curtail academic collaboration are unlikely to change this trend. Qingnan Xie of Nanjing University of Science & Technology and Richard Freeman of Harvard University have studied China's contribution to global scientific output. They document a rapid expansion between 2000 and 2016, as the Chinese share of global publications in physical sciences, engineering and math quadrupled. By 2016, the Chinese share exceeded that of the U.S. Furthermore, the authors argue that these metrics -- which are based on the addresses of the authors -- understate China's impact. The data don't count papers written by Chinese researchers located in other countries with addresses outside China and exclude most papers written in Chinese publications. The researchers adjusted for both factors and conclude that Chinese academics now account for more than one-third of global publications in these scientific fields.

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  1. Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Let's hope the Chinese government politics don't fuck it all up for humanity. Those Muslim concentration / re-education camps are well run enough to make Hitler blush in hell.

    1. Re:Politics by Joce640k · · Score: 0, Troll

      So, just like the USA's "Pray away the gay" camps, then?

      https://www.google.com/search?...

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    2. Re:Politics by vakuona · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the USA made them mandatory, then yes.

    3. Re:Politics by Archtech · · Score: 1

      Those Muslim concentration / re-education camps are well run enough to make Hitler blush in hell.

      Have you even one credible source for that smear?

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    4. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-detention-camp.html

    5. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did, but now all that's left of them is... a smear on the ground.

    6. Re:Politics by Joce640k · · Score: 0

      "In God we trust".

      Praise Jesus.

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    7. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer Trump's "Brown People's Kids Kiddie Komcentration Kamps".

    8. Re:Politics by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So where's it say that some form of religion is mandated by the state in the US? Right. Canada has a heavier influence of religion on it's state then the US, to the point that Catholics were guaranteed protected rights, including a fully functional and separate education system funded by general revenue taxes. And *is* mandated by the state and constitutional law that it must exist.

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    9. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That explains a lot when you think about it.

      Jesus was all about sacrifice for the greater good. Something today's Americans just don't understand or accept while Canadians can't accept anything but. It's why Canadians have a real healthcare system and Americans have to decide between life and debt. Because Canada is a Christian country and Americans are just filthy atheists.

      lol

    10. Re:Politics by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      That explains a lot when you think about it.

      Jesus was all about sacrifice for the greater good. Something today's Americans just don't understand or accept while Canadians can't accept anything but. It's why Canadians have a real healthcare system and Americans have to decide between life and debt. Because Canada is a Christian country and Americans are just filthy atheists.

      lol

      Really? So why don't you explain why the average family here in Canada drops upwards of $200/mo per-person for private healthcare insurance. On top of that, going broke from paying for medications happens a lot up here. Dropping dead from not being able to get any care at all, hell the US has Canada beat on that one. If you're dirt poor at least in the US you can still get treatment, in Canada you're on the waiting list with everyone else. But hey, if you think waiting 17 months to hit a pain clinic, 16 months for cataract surgery, waiting 6mo for heart surgery, and upwards of 3mo to even start cancer treatment is good. Well I've got news for you, oh and round it out that a few years ago in many Canadian provinces, they stopped paying GP's when they left for the day for their practice and did hospital rounds.

      Yes...very endearing situation. Oh and I haven't even got to the point where the medial organizations are now engaging in witch hunts against doctors who prescribe opiates for pain, to the point where doctors are saying "welp, time to retire." Enjoy that 2-10 year wait for a new GP sucker, unless you get damned lucky.

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    11. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's no better here in the US, or maybe worse. Companies are upping prices of drugs because they can

      https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-drug-price-index/

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/health/drug-price-hike-moral-requirement-bn/index.html

      https://www.chausa.org/publications/health-progress/article/march-april-2018/the-struggle-to-contain-drug-price-increases

      'The United States has it worse than the rest of the world, observers say, for a market basket of reasons including patent and regulatory issues, insurance coverage and congressional decisions going back more than a decade. Prices are a function of what manufacturers think they can get, said John Rother, executive director of the Campaign for Sustainable Rx Pricing, Washington, D.C. And with health insurance, "manufacturers think they can keep raising prices and people won't object. I think maybe that's starting to change now."'

      As for prices, insurance is the same or more here depending on coverage, and some of that for high deductible plans. Factor in when they could deny you for a pre-existing condition (for example, my son had his foot amputated when he was young as he was born with Fibular hemimelia, and there's a chance when he tries to get his own insurance down the road, he may be denied or things related to a prosthesis not covered).

      Heck I got bills from 5 different places when I needed to get a cut to my finger cleaned and 2 stitches put in, and the cost was around $350-$400 (I forget the exact figure) even with insurance from my work.

    12. Re:Politics by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Jesus was all about sacrifice for the greater good.

      It is official doctrine of Roman Catholicism and many Protestant sects that it is belief in God and the divinity of Jesus that makes someone a Christian, not good works.

      On a related note, sacrifice is self-destruction, inherently a part of most evil.

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    13. Re:Politics by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      OK, I read TFA. The camps are bad, but they're nowhere near as bad as Hitler's concentration camps. They are not death camps, they're not lifetime imprisonment. They're anti-Muslim "re-education" camps, particularly anti-extreme-Muslim, and apparently there's also some job training going on.

      To summarize: it's not Hitler level evil, it's modern communist level evil.

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    14. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least there's an attempt to reeducate potential terrorist from Wahhabist tendencies. The US either just uses them in a proxy army, or just tries to bomb them to death.

    15. Re:Politics by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Inside, hundreds of ethnic Uighur Muslims spend their days in a high-pressure indoctrination program, where they are forced to listen to lectures, sing hymns praising the Chinese Communist Party and write “self-criticism” essays, according to detainees who have been released.

      Inside the American university, hundreds of thousands of students spend their days in a high-pressure indoctrination program, where they are forced to listen to lectures, sing hymns praising the Joys of Diversity and write “self-criticism” essays, according to detainees who have been released.

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    16. Re:Politics by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      So where's it say that some form of religion is mandated by the state in the US? Right. Canada has a heavier influence of religion on it's state then the US, to the point that Catholics were guaranteed protected rights, including a fully functional and separate education system funded by general revenue taxes. And *is* mandated by the state and constitutional law that it must exist.

      It's kind of butt-ironic that many US states have a constitutional amendment forbidding tax dollars from going to religious schools because their Protestant majorities were scared Catholic schools might get a piece of the Protestant school tax action.

      Again, it is the power in the hands of government that is wrong, not who wields it or why. Neither side learns this.

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    17. Re:Politics by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Here's the difference, in Canada all the provinces and territories "buy as a block" on medications. US states could do the same, but they don't. Individual insurance companies do though, look at what Trump's admin did though and how much of a shockwave went through the industry when they forced through generics on several drugs. The name brand prices dropped through the floor, even in some cases undercutting generic drugs that were being newly manufactured.

      You can be denied supplemental insurance in Canada for the same thing. If you were in Canada, your best option would be to get a disability waiver so the province(or if you live in a territory or mil base, the feds), to cover part of the cost. If you can live with the 42%(likely closer to 45% tax) rate that we pay up here, you can take your choice.

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    18. Re:Politics by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      It's kind of butt-ironic that many US states have a constitutional amendment forbidding tax dollars from going to religious schools because their Protestant majorities were scared Catholic schools might get a piece of the Protestant school tax action.

      Considering the shitshows between Catholics and Protestants, right or wrong reasons that people chose against it. It was still the better option in the long run.

      Again, it is the power in the hands of government that is wrong, not who wields it or why. Neither side learns this.

      Well, here's the interesting thing. The Catholics up here in Canada were basically the "government of the day" when they got this little perk, there's lots of history on it but to say it's been a gigantic clusterfuck the size of a black hole would be an understatement.

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    19. Re: Politics by makerfixer · · Score: 1

      Though shall not speak of the effect having every person in power at the FDA or anywhere else sign their "blood oath" to the democratic/Republican Party mainstream during the election or the fact that all these political fixers are out on their ass and out of the way. It makes people who support the old status quo cry and downvote.

    20. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where on that scale are the camps for refugee children in the USA?

    21. Re:Politics by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      On a related note, sacrifice is self-destruction

      I think you need to find a better dictionary.

    22. Re:Politics by helpfulcorn · · Score: 2

      Perhaps a Christian*, but not a good one, unless you're a Calvinist or a related dogma which believes that you go to heaven no matter what you do just by believing in Jesus, and "accepting him into your heart" whatever that means.

      Salvation in the next life in Roman and Eastern Catholic traditions and most Protestant ones is obtained by being a good Christian and that typically would be defined as someone who tries to be like Jesus, you know, help the poor, don't be a dick, etc -- though being divine is rarely included in this of course. ;-)

      Plus Christianity has a history of revering martyrdom of true believers and those who died trying to help others either by saving their lives or their souls. It isn't condemned, I guess that's different if your messiah and savour is Ayn Rand though.

      *Some of the more extreme ones don't even include you unless you believe and do as they do, but these aren't the mainstream of course.

    23. Re:Politics by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      So where's it say that some form of religion is mandated by the state in the US? Right.

      I expect to see an openly gay president in the USA before I see an openly atheist one.

      Just sayin'.

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    24. Re: Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Modern USA evil? I'm thinking Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay evil ...

    25. Re:Politics by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      To summarize: it's not Hitler level evil, it's modern communist level evil.

      Well Stalin's Gulag's were modern communist levels of evil too. If you don't think people aren't "getting the bullet" in those places today, you're just being naive.

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    26. Re:Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Stalin's Gulag's were modern communist levels of evil too.

      No, Stalin is old communist level of evil.

      The modern communist is the one that's totally hip and cool with most people these days, and by people I include so called conservatives and Republicans in the US

      Here are some gems from the linked article that I think align with (what passes for) the right these days in America

      "On the edge of a desert in far western China, an imposing building sits behind a fence topped with barbed wire. Large red characters on the facade urge people to learn Chinese, study law and acquire job skills."

      A focus on telling people to get some real job skills (instead of taking women's studies or other social justice courses)? Totally fits the right wing narrative.

      "Inside, hundreds of ethnic Uighur Muslims spend their days in a high-pressure indoctrination program, where they are forced to listen to lectures, sing hymns praising the Chinese Communist Party and write âoeself-criticismâ essays, according to detainees who have been released."

      So, not so different from insisting kids should pledge allegiance to the flag every day at school?

      "Self-criticism" essays sound bad at first, but I could see it align with the right's narrative that people have only themselves to blame if they aren't successful or don't get what they want.

      The governmentâ(TM)s business-as-usual defense, however, is contradicted by overwhelming evidence, including official directives, studies, news reports and construction plans that have surfaced online, as well as the eyewitness accounts of a growing number of former detainees who have fled to countries such as Turkey and Kazakhstan.

      In other words, the (probably left leaning) MSM is telling a different story than the government. Now, aren't there many right wingers who totally hate the former as fake news, and trust the latter? Largest inauguration crowd ever PERIOD. The whole Russia thing is a nothing burger!

      âoeIn the end, all the officials had one key point,â he said. âoeThe greatness of the Chinese Communist Party, the backwardness of Uighur culture and the advanced nature of Chinese culture.â

      Replace CCP and Chinese culture with appeals to American, or white, or Christian, or western values, and you get something that wouldn't look out of place amongst conservative circles. Even a few non-American atheists and critics of Islam sound like that (I'm reminded of several spiels from Douglas Murray on how great the west is and how incompatible Islam is with it)

      "About 1.5 percent of Chinaâ(TM)s total population lives in Xinjiang. But the region accounted for more than 20 percent of arrests nationwide last year, according to official data compiled by Chinese Human Rights Defenders, an advocacy group. Those figures do not include people in the re-education camps."

      So even if you don't include people sent to re-education camps, you see that a certain group of people committing most of the crimes. Now, if we were talking about how blacks were committing most of the crimes in the US despite being only like 10% of the population, don't many conservatives think it's totally appropriate to do something about this, get "tough on crime" and all that?

      "The government shifted to harsher policies in 2009 after protests in Xinjiangâ(TM)s capital, Urumqi, spiraled into rioting and left nearly 200 people dead."

      So the article is admitting that the government didn't just start getting tough without reason, but because there were protests that left people dead. Aren't many on the right upset when Antifa pulls that sort of shit and wished we'd get tough on them too?

      "One account published last year described how the authorities in one village arranged for detainees accused of âoereligious extremismâ to be denounced by their relatives at a public rally, and encouraged other families to repor

  2. But is it useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, exclude all papers found to be misleading, wrong or outright fake. How big is China's impact on contributing to the sciences now?

    1. Re:But is it useful? by xandos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      China has been investing massively in science. China has a few really good universities itself, as well as many Chinese people studying in prestigious places abroad who come back to contribute to science in those universities (just as people from every other country in the world do). Science is a global pursuit, and the fact that China puts a large amount of money and manpower towards it means it can contribute significantly. While it was the case (and in some cases still is the case) that China had to catch up to meet the standards of the USA and western countries, they have been catching up quickly and an increasing amount of the work done in China is now groundbreaking. This is not surprising. The only thing you need is smart people, knowledge, and massive funding. And the knowledge-part of that can be learned from scientific publications or the international exchange of scientists.

      If the USA wants to make sure they stay somewhere near the top, they should not attempt to 'curtail academic collaboration'. That doesn't help anyone, and only slows down global science. It also might have the effect that the collaborations will simply move to China-Europe instead of China-USA, which would speed up progress in China and Europe, but not the USA. The only thing that can help the USA stay on top (if they are on top) is to do more and better science than anyone else, not to somehow try to make other people do less or less good science.

    2. Re:But is it useful? by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Note to self: No fake/misleading papers are ever published in the USA.

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    3. Re: But is it useful? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Yep.

      George Carlin did all those shows for nothing, his words went right over the heads of most people.

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    4. Re: But is it useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Approaching zero impact.

    5. Re:But is it useful? by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to account for all of the West's misleading, wrong and outright fake papers published in fake journals.

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    6. Re:But is it useful? by ravenshrike · · Score: 2

      The question is the rate at which such studies were published. Which would itself make for an interesting study.

    7. Re:But is it useful? by davidwr · · Score: 1

      Note to self: No fake/misleading papers are ever published in the USA.

      In what peer-reviewed study did you read this? Has this study been reliably replicated?

      [sarcasm, if any, is inherited from parent post]

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    8. Re:But is it useful? by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We won't know and we can't know... yet. What really measure the impact of a paper's contribution is its citations. Check back in 5 years and rank countries by citations and you'll have a better idea.

      Going by raw output volume, it shouldn't be surprising if China surpasses the US. Nearly one person in five alive lives in China. If you rank the top ten countries by science and tech research papers, it goes (or rather, went) US, China, Japan, Germany, UK, India, France, Italy, Korea, Canada. But if you rank those countries by per capita output, you get Canada, UK, US, Germany, France, Korea, Italy, China, India.

      On a per capita basis, UK and Canada are very similar, as are the US, Germany, France, Korea, and Italy. China follows far behind that group, and India trails far behind China. That may be because many Indian scholars emigrate overseas, especially to the US. Similarly the US ranking is probably inflated by the large number of immigrant researchers here. As the US becomes less friendly to foreign students and researchers, we can expect our research output to fall both in quality and quantity.

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    9. Re:But is it useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the Chinese "academic collaboration" became a cover for wholesale spying, we stopped gaining anything except tuition.

    10. Re:But is it useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not ALL collaborators are spies. They blend in with the herd. SpyVsSpy 101. If you're concerned that some might be spies (I get that, it's a reasonable concern) but ANYTHING can be a cover for spies.

      But this: "Recent attempts by the U.S. to curtail academic collaboration " is just some hyperbole. Some spyhunter hunted a few spies and then someone bitched about it. Political bullshit continues, news at 11.

    11. Re:But is it useful? by sycodon · · Score: 2

      "China has been investing massively in spying...."

      Fixed.

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    12. Re:But is it useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've reviewed quite a few physics papers written by people in China and India. They generally aren't very good.

    13. Re:But is it useful? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Nearly one person in five alive lives in China.

      I have a better metric for success. The Chinese promote their top students setting them aside where they can be trained well. They then proceed to send them to world class international universities. In the meantime many countries in the west target mediocrity ignoring the talent and focusing all the effort on ensuring the voluntarily dumb kids don't fall behind.

      Some countries even rig the system so only the rich can get a decent education, and those who aren't rich get lumped with loans that they would be unable to repay on a PhD wage.

    14. Re:But is it useful? by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Why would it fall in quality? That seems like pure BS.

    15. Re: But is it useful? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Religious belief in the USA is in a fairly steady very long term decline. Inevitably (perhaps 500 years) it's going to die out, because it's demonstrably wrong and clearly self-destructive.

      In the absence of political interference, China will become the great force of scientific advancement for 2 simple reasons: they have 3 time the population of the US and an average IQ advantage of about 7 points.

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    16. Re: But is it useful? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Still bigger than the US, which is fast becoming a nation of bible banging idiots. The primacy of the US is over and Trump and DeVos are making sure the only future the working class have is debt slavery and prison

      The US is like Europe in that it is becoming less religious, not more. The only reason the "SJWs" can "get away with it" is because of this exact shift the past 50 years.

      Prior to that, support for gays, and earlier, womens' rights, could get you fired, and certainly your company boycotted.

      Should anyone be surprised that same wrong power is being wielded with vengeance now? It held sway for the other side for thousands of years.

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    17. Re:But is it useful? by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 2

      I am a researcher. In my field (educational technology), China is spending *massively*. PhD tenured-professor-level positions, nationwide, number in the tens. Maybe 30 each year. The leading university in China has the following:
        - 120 *new* paid tenured position. They are adding to their *existing* 50, as they've seen significant return (my alma matter has ~13, and is top-ranked).
        - 250 *new* professor assistant positions. Notably, this is more than my alma matters' entire department... This is just for my field.
        - Essentially unlimited postdoctoral and temporary positions for American PhDs. They are flexible on the time - you can choose 12 months, 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, or "we'll work it out". If you want to go study in China, the standard offer is "we'll match whatever you make, and pay all your bills (housing, water, electric, phone) to ease the transition."

      I know this because *nearly* *all* of the top researchers in my field have either given a lecture in China (they paid airfare, travel, hotel, and a months' salary for the week of work).

      Their investment is genuine. That said, it will take *at* *least* 5 years to start to show signs of return. That said, they've been doing it for 5 years now...

    18. Re:But is it useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing you need is smart people, knowledge, and massive funding.

      When considering the point of the AC you replied to... you need more.

      In addition, you need a culture that places accuracy/quality above quantity, otherwise you're left with the AC's concern.

    19. Re:But is it useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, exclude all papers found to be misleading, wrong or outright fake. How big is China's impact on contributing to the sciences now?

      We can just ignore that. Appearances are truly what matters.

    20. Re:But is it useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? you don't like Science Fiction?

    21. Re:But is it useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how far some people will go to deny that Asians in general, and Chinese in particular, are capable of doing science just as well as westerners.

      Yes, there's spying - just like America spies on everyone. There's also science. The two are not even related, mostly, except at a very few points.

    22. Re:But is it useful? by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      it goes up...

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    23. Re:But is it useful? by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Now, exclude all papers found to be misleading, wrong or outright fake. How big is China's impact on contributing to the sciences now?

      China has free university.Therefore, from rich or poor, the smarted of the lot are doing the advanced studies and research.

      Want the USA to lead, make universities affordable, don't cut off 70% of the student population

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  3. Some of it must be original, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet they even came up with some of it on their own, without plagiarizing it!

  4. Fortnite... by Tolvor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, but the US has the best Fortnite players. Who's laughing now?

    Cue Alice Cooper's "School's Out"...

    1. Re:Fortnite... by ravenshrike · · Score: 2

      China number 1. Wait, that was 2 games ago. Never mind.

  5. The inevitable by gazelam · · Score: 2

    When you put lots of money into lots of research by lots of people, this is the result. I should expect that Chinese universities have the same requirements for tenure depending on submitting of published work, result: lots of papers.

    1. Re:The inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but also the US academic system favors citizens ditching college ASAP for a paycheck while foreigners stay in school as long as they can because they get sent back as soon as they're out. That's great for the economy in the short term but all of the next great inventions are going to come from somewhere else.

    2. Re:The inevitable by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It's not just that, this also depends on an efficient educational feeder system, starting in elementary school or even before.

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  6. However by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    China is still the least prolific contributor to human rights and decency.

    1. Re:However by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Highly doubt that, you seem to forget that over half the worlds dictators today and in the past, are there because of American help.

      Guess who helps keeps all those fundamentalist, many of which are terrorist support dictators of the islamic world...

    2. Re:However by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Human rights and decency does not mean shit. Did the basic human rights help the Native Americans? No. The less dignified more scientifically advanced nations rolled over those peaceful believers in human rights.

      Might makes right. If you have enough scientific knowledge and guns you can get the worlds religions and secretarian leaders to all unanimously agree that whatever you are doing is right. The NAZIs are not evil because they killed all those people, they are evil because they lost.

    3. Re:However by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right now the US is propping up more than half of the dictators globaly and IIRC, it's closer to 3/4.

      The main reason that the US military has things to do is that we keep interfering in things that aren't our business, backing the wrong people when we do and then decades later they turn on us.

      But, there's a bunch of cowards here that vote for "stronger" military without realizing that the greatest threat to national security is the oversized military industrial complex that funds and trains the people that wind up becoming our adversaries later on.

    4. Re:However by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Native Americans ... those peaceful believers in human rights.

      Are you ignorant or malicious?
      There were a wide variety of native American cultures. Some quickly integrated into Western culture. Of the others, some were nasty and some were fairly decent.

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    5. Re: However by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. The opposite is true, by virtue of them staying the fuck out of people's business beyond their borders. Unlike the USA.

    6. Re: However by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      President Eisenhower on the military industrial complex: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

      He was a WWII general. He was a Republican. He came after FDR and the new deal, and after Truman. He made serious mistakes, and lead the US down this path, and this speech in 1960 was a warning and perhaps tacit admission of his mistakes. It went largely unheeded, and the result of his propelling the Dulles brothers to State and CIA was Bay of Pigs (invasion of Cuba, totally failed disaster) and arguably JFKâ(TM)s assassination.

      All this digression is for this reason: listen to him talk about isolationism. Then about preparedness. And then about conflict of interest. America is a great country with great people, we donâ(TM)t want you to mind your own business, we want you to be a moral pillar and leader of freedom. Intervention as practically invented by Dulles is something different.

      Be strong, be resilient. Be an example, donâ(TM)t be malevolent. Not because itâ(TM)s wrong, but because when you do, it ends badly for everyone. Including badly for the USA included, every single time.

      For completeness, the entire speech. The above is excerpted. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY

  7. So ... ? by jon3k · · Score: 1

    Furthermore, the authors argue that these metrics -- which are based on the addresses of the authors -- understate China's impact. The data don't count papers written by Chinese researchers located in other countries with addresses outside China and exclude most papers written in Chinese publications. The researchers adjusted for both factors and conclude that Chinese academics now account for more than one-third of global publications in these scientific fields.

    So the study does somehow take into account all papers written by US researchers outside the US? If not, why wasn't that mentioned and if it was, why wasn't the same methodology used for Chinese authors?

    1. Re:So ... ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, let's go one step further then, and subtract from a country's output the papers written by foreign researchers working in that country. After all, otherwise they are counted twice.

  8. Level of fraud ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many of the papers contain repeatable results ?

  9. Quality of output? by drakyri · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't think this factors in what I believe is a higher likelihood for scientific papers originating in China to involve plagiarism and/or fraud. Although the authors note an increase in publications in high-impact journals like Nature and Science, there doesn't appear to be any other real quality metric - just a note about valuing the average paper coming from China as 1/5 as much as a Western paper, based on number of subsequent citations. With the goals of this study, I don't think that's a rigorous enough metric to draw any conclusions other than that the quantity of papers emerging from China is increasing.

    1. Re:Quality of output? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think this factors in what I believe is a higher likelihood for scientific papers originating in China to involve plagiarism and/or fraud.

      Yeah, this is what I came in here to say. It seems like all the obviously fake science that's not printed in an Elsevier journal is coming out of China. Is China actually producing more quality research, or just more paper output?

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    2. Re:Quality of output? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think this factors in what I believe is a higher likelihood for scientific papers originating in China to involve plagiarism and/or fraud.

      Congratulations! You have won the ultimate Western award for accusing all Chinese being cheaters and/or thieves

      Please do carry on !

    3. Re:Quality of output? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Respect lost to cheating is hard won back. The reputation that Chinese science is plagiaristic or fraud exists for a reason.

      Also, you are the only person that mentioned anything about "all Chinese being X".

    4. Re:Quality of output? by drakyri · · Score: 1

      Thank you, but that's not what I said. To illustrate the problem, you can read about a recent investigation by the Chinese government here: https://retractionwatch.com/20...

    5. Re:Quality of output? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they get a ten dollar bonus for every paper they write!

    6. Re: Quality of output? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just an anctedote, but in my field publications with a majority of Chinese authors are generally significantly lower in quality. They often miss critical parts, or reinvent the wheel. From conversations with Chinese colleagues, there is a push on quantity over quality.

  10. Not surprised. by Computershack · · Score: 1

    A few years ago when I was at university doing my BEng degree almost half of my course were chinese students so it doesn't come as a real surprise.

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    1. Re:Not surprised. by SlideRuleGuy · · Score: 1

      This exactly. Just factoring out the number of papers that Chinese researchers have to retract due to peer review issues (see here https://qz.com/978037/china-pu...), their actual output does not exceed ours.

  11. counting is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The problem here is counting papers.
    It leads to endless improper
    conclusions and comparisons, and this is just the latest such nonsense.

    In my specialty field (tactfully not mentioned) China has zero representation.
    The word on the street is that in many fields they produce cutting edge research, while in
    others fields they lead the world in fake research.

    What are these raw numbers meant to tell us?

  12. Worthless Phd-mill "research" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing of value in those papers. If you've ever met any of these Chinese Phds, they ain't all that.

  13. So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by sinij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From what I have seen so far Chinese papers are universally fraud. I am on peer review lists for a number of papers, and from what I have seen it is mostly junk papers that are coming out of China. Not just language, that can be forgiven/edited, but bad methods, obviously cooked data, blatant plagiarism.

    1. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I have seen so far Chinese papers are universally fraud. I am on peer review lists for a number of papers, and from what I have seen it is mostly junk papers that are coming out of China. Not just language, that can be forgiven/edited, but bad methods, obviously cooked data, blatant plagiarism.

      My understanding is this particular problem is far more prolific than narrowing it down to a single country. Finger pointing at China is fitting given the discussion, but the real question is how does China compare against every other liar in the proverbial lab.

      Pointing out the biggest fly on a pile of shit doesn't dismiss the fact that it's still a pile of shit.

    2. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Archtech · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would certainly help to explain why China remains completely unable to build enormous modern cities, high-speed trains, hypersonic missiles, supercomputers, satellites, etc.

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    3. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are all decades old western inventions.

    4. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also explains why President Trump was right when he called global warming a Chinese hoax.

    5. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what you get when it is dishonorable not to produce results. When failure is not an option, people either succeed or fake success.

    6. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by m00sh · · Score: 1

      From what I have seen so far Chinese papers are universally fraud. I am on peer review lists for a number of papers, and from what I have seen it is mostly junk papers that are coming out of China. Not just language, that can be forgiven/edited, but bad methods, obviously cooked data, blatant plagiarism.

      They don't have publish or perish. Why's the incentive?

    7. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      That would certainly help to explain why China remains completely unable to build enormous modern cities, high-speed trains, hypersonic missiles, supercomputers, satellites, etc.

      Well it's easy to build something when you require companies to share their technology for access to their markets, and manufacturing isn't it. So really, they are unable to build those. They're able to make knockoffs that are "good enough."

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    8. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by sinij · · Score: 1

      My experiences that papers submitted from China are categorically more likely to be fraudulent. You certainly get bad submission from Western Universities, but they are rarely outright and obvious fraud and plagiarism, the reverse is true for submissions coming from Chinese Universities.

    9. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      From what I have seen so far Chinese papers are universally fraud.

      Congratulations. You have not looked very hard.

    10. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      science = figuring out how stuff works
      engineering = use what we know about how stuff works to build usefull/interesting things

      China has a handle on the engineering, the science less so

    11. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Chinese version of "publish or perish" involves a pistol instead of tenure.

    12. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government jackboot.

    13. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of those are science. Those are engineering accomplishments. We all know China has been using the PLA to steal IP from engineering countries for decades.

      China can claim some science acumen when they achieve something novel without stealing.

    14. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may be unaware that in some fields - hypersonic air-to-surface missiles, for instance - China's capabilities are now ahead of the US.

      That is to say, if you get into a naval war with China relying on tech superiority to prevent losses, you are in for a very nasty shock.

    15. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      what planet are you on? China has surpassed us in all those categories

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    16. Re: So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which in turn were basede on centuries old Asian inventions.

    17. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would certainly help to explain why China remains completely unable to build enormous modern cities, high-speed trains, hypersonic missiles, supercomputers, satellites, etc.

      what planet are you on? China has surpassed us in all those categories

      WHOOOOOOSH !!

    18. Re:So far CN scientific papers are mosrtly fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For HSTs, I have an idea where China got the technology, and even the patents.

      It's not the US of A, though.

  14. It was only a matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their work-ethic aside, China has more honors students than america has normal students. They also have more english speakers. Was bound to happen sooner or later.

    1. Re:It was only a matter of time... by Archtech · · Score: 1

      They also have more english speakers.

      Is that taking into account Chinese speakers' superior grammar, spelling, punctuation, accent and familiarity with English literature?

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    2. Re:It was only a matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As somebody who used to teach English in China, I can assure you that China doesn't have more English speakers than the US does. They're all required to take English, which is true, but they're only tested on the written English, not the spoken English. If they want to fuck around during English classes, they'll get punished, but it doesn't make a difference for their chances at a good Chinese college.

      Even the written English is often times suspect as they typically just memorize entire sentences that are syntactically correct, but if there's any alteration to the sentence structure at all, it becomes incomprehensible to them.

      This is something that I saw at a half dozen or so schools spread throughout the country, it's definitely not an isolated case of a few school, it's how the education system is currently set up.

      I did meet some Chinese with excellent English, but they mostly were either fascinated with the culture of an English speaking country or had worked in an English speaking country for years, it's not something that they typically learned in school.

    3. Re:It was only a matter of time... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Is that taking into account Chinese speakers' superior grammar, spelling, punctuation, accent and familiarity with English literature?

      Let me put it this way. When the company I work for sends something off for fabbing in Japan, S.Korea, or doing work in Singapore, we don't need translators. When we do it in China, we require at least four different levels. If you're part of the "highly educated" segment of Chinese society you have a pretty good chance of getting english. But if you're some poor-boy/girl that's looking to make their money after leaving the dirt farm, you're outta luck. On the other hand, a 10 year old has a better grasp of english then your average person in China. This is because there is a massive education gap, and really it's no different then any society that's working through modernizing.

      But a second, third, fourth language is like any other skill. If you don't practice it, it degrades. ~30 years ago, I could speak and write fluent french, japanese, and german, besides english. That's because I grew up in a multiethnic household, french was required until grade 12 and all that. Today? My english and japanese is meh, my german is terrible, my french is horrible(even though everything is bilingual here in Ontario). Simply because of a lack of use beyond speaking, or hammering something out in a technical paper.

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  15. Inevitable, really by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are four Chinese for every American, five for every two Europeans. All other things being equal, they're going to become the dominant country in everything.

    The only country that's going to be close is India (again, all other things being equal).

    Lacking a major war, or internal political factors, the Chinese and Indians are going to dominate the world over the next couple centuries, and the USA is going to go the way of the UK - a nation that dominated "back then"....

    Note, for the record, that I don't think "all other things being equal" actually applies. I don't think either China or India can liberalize enough to allow their inherent advantages to really take hold. But you never can tell....

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    1. Re:Inevitable, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lacking a major war, or internal political factors, the Chinese and Indians are going to dominate the world over the next couple centuries

      Your forgetting a few things:
      Global Pandemic
      Climate Change
      AI/Robotics
      etc

    2. Re:Inevitable, really by Archtech · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder how many contributors to this thread are aware that, until the 19th century, China and India were far and away the world's dominant economic powers?

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    3. Re:Inevitable, really by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many contributors to this thread are aware that, until the 19th century, China and India were far and away the world's dominant economic powers?

      My guess is...two.

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    4. Re:Inevitable, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      My guess is all of them except the ones familiar with history. Prior to the 1800s you're going to claim China and India as the major economic powers? India didn't exist in the 1700s for effs sake. It was a hodge podge of countries and weren't under singular rule until the UK and the East India Company invaded and colonized the area. China was crippled by opium dens. Again, mostly because of the East India Company.

    5. Re:Inevitable, really by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      And 3000 years ago it was Europe, repeatedly. Then more recently, the dark ages, 1:2 dead from plagues, collapse of societies, organized states, and so on really did a banger on Europe. What should surprise you is after the total collapse of society to the point where the graveyards were overflowing with the dead, European society didn't regress backwards at a screaming rate like say middle eastern countries, northern africa, and so on did.

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    6. Re:Inevitable, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quantity != Quality

    7. Re:Inevitable, really by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      There are four Chinese for every American, five for every two Europeans. All other things being equal, they're going to become the dominant country in everything.

      The only country that's going to be close is India (again, all other things being equal).

      Lacking a major war, or internal political factors, the Chinese and Indians are going to dominate the world over the next couple centuries, and the USA is going to go the way of the UK - a nation that dominated "back then"....

      The USA and UK never used sheer population to dominate world affairs, for the simple reason that this would have been numerically impossible. So I find this an odd argument.

      Note, for the record, that I don't think "all other things being equal" actually applies. I don't think either China or India can liberalize enough to allow their inherent advantages to really take hold. But you never can tell....

      Indeed, all other things are not equal. Mandarin Chinese have significantly higher average IQ than most other people groups, for one thing. Then again, they seem to be more content with totalitarianism, which Americans/UK wouldn't tolerate. So many factors are not equal. Hard to predict what will happen ...

    8. Re:Inevitable, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And 3000 years ago it was Europe, repeatedly.

      Not really. 3000 years ago (~1000 BCE), Greek city states was the focus of "Europe" (the area occupied by the Greeks is a much smaller portion of what we call Europe today). City states were just that - cities. They weren't entire kingdoms or empires or dynasties that other regions has had time and again.

      China had them. India had them. Egypt had them. Mesopotania had them. Like say the Persians - you know the one the tiny Greeks states had to unite and fight against? Even in Europe's own euro-centric narrative they want to paint themselves as the David who stood up against the Persian Goliath

      It was more like 2000 years ago when Rome finally got its Empire going to rival that of what the rest of the world had time and again. We hear the most about Rome and Greece only because Europe (or rather "the west") is dominant for much the last few centuries. Victors write the history books after all.

      Then more recently, the dark ages, 1:2 dead from plagues, collapse of societies, organized states, and so on really did a banger on Europe.

      Oh, are we playing Oppression Olympics, civilization edition? Ok!

      Your dark ages weren't so bad. The thing with lacking big governments and empires is that you actually had a lot less major wars for people to die in. It was probably the closest to the conservative Republican dream of being left alone in their small rural agricultural settlements.

      Contrast this to China when central government collapsed, warlords fought each other for supremacy.

      What should surprise you is after the total collapse of society to the point where the graveyards were overflowing with the dead, European society didn't regress backwards at a screaming rate like say middle eastern countries, northern africa, and so on did.

      Nah, it's not surprising if you actually studied the topic.

      First, society and organized states didn't really collapse. No more than "normal" rise and fall of kingdoms and transition of power from one power to another. As noted above, China had their share of states and kingdoms rising and falling.

      The one thing that hit Europe particularly hard was the plague, but even that didn't really make society collapse. The thing with plagues is that it doesn't hit everywhere equally at the same time, and people don't all drop dead on the same day at the same time. So the survivors had time to reorganize every time people died and pick up where the dead left off. So while in total the plague killed basically half the population, the rate of dying wasn't so fast that society wasn't able to continue.

      Society may have been crippled from all the death, but it didn't collapse.

      This isn't what happened in the ME or North Africa. Both those places has had generations of "their" society being run by others, be it Ottomans or European colonial powers. The locals weren't the ones running society as it were, so when the ruling powers pulled out, it's not surprising that the locals don't know how to pick things up.

    9. Re:Inevitable, really by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      But it isn't totalitarianism anymore. While political challenges are largely restricted, economically they are much more open. As a result, they are becoming much more productive.

      Right on schedule.

      Insofar as they are open, it doesn't matter. Insofar as if they ever shut back down, they will go back to being irrelevant.

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    10. Re:Inevitable, really by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      There are four Chinese for every American,

      Unbuild the wall and make ourselves pay for it! We'll need population to avoid being stomped on.

      I don't know if China is actually that sinister, but why take a chance? Look how anal they are about Taiwan?

    11. Re:Inevitable, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The opium dens were what brought China down. It was before that (and virtually throughout all of recorded history) that every other GDP paled in comparison to China's.

  16. We Will Proudly Build Economic Power for Ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sep. 6, Juche 107 (2018) Thursday

    We Will Proudly Build Economic Power for Ourselves

    It is the fixed will and determination of the Korean people to build a powerful socialist country to be envied by the whole world on this land without fail in the spirit of self-reliance and self-development and by dint of science and technology.

    We did not have an idea of building economy with others’ help.

    We have done all by ourselves on the principle of self-reliance and self-sufficiency to perform world-startling miracles.

    The credit for this is just the single-minded unity of all the service personnel and people and the great spirit of self-reliance and self-development and science and technology.

    The entire army and all the people have struggled in the revolutionary spirit of self-reliance and fortitude, more closely united behind the leader to win victory without any deviation in the face of the sustained vicious sanctions of hostile forces against the DPRK and despite severe ordeals.

    Self-reliance and self-development and science and technology are the life and soul of socialist Korea and the driving force of the leap forward and this is the only road we should take. It is the precious truth proved by the army and people of the DPRK in practice.

    The power of Juche Korea is indeed unfathomable.

    No force can check the advance of our people towards the bright future.

    Final victory is in store for our people going ahead by dint of self-reliance and science and technology.

    Ri Hak Nam

  17. who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So much of their papers are utter crap. Their larege volume of crap makes meaningful literature searches difficult.

  18. Replication crisis by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

    China is going strong in the sciences, while America has a replication crisis in the humanities. For anyone who doesn't know, this means that the "science" performed for the last 20-30 years or so in the humanities is not able to be replicated. In other words, it's not science. In a strange coincidence, in the last 20-30 years the intellectual upper class moved far out to the left.

    For more on this, see Heterodox Academy's piece on the topic.

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  19. If only... by bpetty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If only their quality was as high as their quantity.
    One common complaint within scholarly circles in recent times is the unusually low quality of published works coming out of China.
    China is to academic publishing as India is to computer software development. It seems like every other person there is producing this stuff, but only a very small subset produce something worth paying attention to.

    1. Re:If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, given enough time the quantity will provide the quality as well. Some time ago the quantity was not there either.

      Add more burden by ethics and political correctness and being fair and not offensive and a thousand more restrictions. This will definitely help to propel American (western) research further and get the first place back.

    2. Re:If only... by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Nah. For the most part science is a western phenomena. Ancient westerners established a certain level of technology in china and for the rest of their history they stayed pretty much at that level. Chinese are very intelligent capable people but they have never demonstrated a capacity for innovation.

  20. That's great and all, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems like the vast majority of discoveries in those fields are not reproducable. Nature has a whole series of concerns on that https://www.nature.com/collections/prbfkwmwvz

    There are so many crap journals that don't do peer review (400,000) that those articles are tenuous at best. https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/06/23/some-science-journals-that-claim-to-peer-review-papers-do-not-do-so

    Readjust to study to be only from reputable journals with good track records and let's see how the numbers stack.

  21. Good! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    I know some people recoil at the idea of the advancement of China (for obvious sociopolitical reasons) but the advancement of science is good no matter where it happens. I'm disappointed by the lack of investment in science by my own nation but the advancement of humanity via science is global.

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    1. Re:Good! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      the advancement of science is good no matter where it happens.

      Indeed! They seemed the only nation willing and ready to test the em-drive in space, and I was eagerly awaiting the results. I realize the em had a small chance of being viable, but that small chance would have revolutionized space travel to almost a Trekkian level. Too bad it looks like a bust. No green Orion babes. sigh.

    2. Re:Good! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Indeed! They seemed the only nation willing and ready to test the em-drive in space, and I was eagerly awaiting the results.

      It's already been determined how it works: it's pushing against the electromagnetic field of the Earth. We didn't disregard it as you seem to imply, we just wanted to be certain that it actually does something by testing it in a controlled laboratory setting before deciding to put it up in space. Once we got the correct measurements, scientists were able to identify it's cause. Not jumping the gun on the EM drive saved millions of dollars, so I wouldn't cite that as a good example.

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    3. Re:Good! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Others claim it wasn't, and that they already checked for that effect. Oh well.

  22. Academic success per capita by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US still outranks China on papers published per capita, but they are catching up.

    In a more balanced world, all countries with more than, say, 50M people would score close to each other on per-capita rankings for things like university graduates, papers published, percent whose lifestyle would be described as "middle class or higher," percent whose lifestyle is "above poverty level," etc. etc.

  23. Journals need more holistic peer review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As college admissions

  24. Where are the intels or sony or boeing/airbus of c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very strange results...

    So where are the chinese tech accomplishments ? Where are the intels or sony or boeing/airbus of china ?

    Chinamakes a lot of stuff, but most of it is rather simple in comparison

  25. The Chinese are idiots by pablo_max · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Or at least this seems to be the prevailing opinion of many in the US and indeed the West in general. Not just among the decision makers, but the average person and MANY of the posters here on slashdot.
    Typically, the rant is about "cheap Chinese crap" being sold in 'Murica. Never mind the fact the fact that the Chinese factories are supplying exactly what the western retailers are ordering from them. You design it...they are just making it for you.

    Also typical seems to be the idea that the Chinese can only copy. That they are not a people capable of original thought.
    I guess that's true.. Unless you count things like paper, gun powder, the compass, silk, alcohol, type printing, the clock, iron smelting, farming, money and stuff like that. But mainly.. not a "thinking people".

    I suppose it is true that the west has had a near monopoly in the last 40 years in terms of tech inventions, however I think the willingness of the Chinese people to rapidly adopt new technologies en masse has been and will be continue to be very important.

    Then there is the fact that they are dumping massive amounts of cash into research and education, while the US is spending less and less per capita each year.
    Of course it is only a matter of time before that many people with that much access to tech over take you.

    History does tend to repeat, it would seem.

    1. Re:The Chinese are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China has too much cheap labor to bother with innovation. Meanwhile Europe has always had low population which would get reduced even lower by periodic shocks like plague or total war. This lead to the need for labor saving devices. China can always just throw more people at any problem. Kind of like what they're trying to do now with engineering, yet somehow still lag the west. If all you have is the masses, everything looks like a problem solved by mass mobilization.

    2. Re:The Chinese are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny that you bring up per capita -- but only for US spending. The Chinese, by comparison, are spending peanuts and have not moved the needle that much.

    3. Re:The Chinese are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I guess that's true.. Unless you count things like paper, gun powder, the compass, silk, alcohol, type printing, the clock, iron smelting, farming, money and stuff like that.

      Sorry, while China (or predecessor cultures in areas now encompassed by China) did invent (or discover) some of these things, several items on these lists originated in other areas, often millennia earlier. I've bolded the earliest known uses below:

      Actual earliest evidence of these inventions,
      Paper - Egypt, 2600 BCE , China 100BCE
      Gunpowder - China 1044 CE
      Compass, divination - Olmec, 1400 BCE, Navigation, China - 11tch C CE
      Silk - China - Ca. 4000 BCE
      Alcohol, purposely fermented - earliest Chinese archaeological results (disputed) ca. 6500 BCE, Georgia (firm) - 6000 BCE (note, consuming spontaneously fermented alcohol doubtlessly occurred millenia earlier around the world)
      Type printing - China, ca 1000 CE
      Earliest Iron Smelting - (meteoric) - Egypt, 5th Century BCE, (Ore) - Anatolia, 3rd Millennium BCE, China - 14th C BCE
      Farming - MideastMideast ca 3000 BCE, China, ca 1000 BCE

    4. Re:The Chinese are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, should read Farming, mideast 23rd Millenium BCE, China 10th Millenium BCE

    5. Re:The Chinese are idiots by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      The Chinese may be on a trajectory to mimic the historical Japanese leap from cheap copycats to innovators and technology leaders. However, that hasn't happened yet and is not guaranteed to happen. The absolute number of academic papers isn't very interesting as the number publication venues have exploded much faster than the number of top conferences. The modest increase in the number of Chinese-authored papers in top conferences is much more impressive than the increase in the total number of papers in all conferences.

      If the Chinese were truly interested in raising their international academic publishing profile, they should thinking about SEO-like ways to increase their citation rankings. Top conferences tends to be gated by self-interested incumbents that not only tend to crowd out new Chinese authors but also new non-Chinese authors. In contrast, citation rankings are guarded by algorithms and not a cadre of self-selected experts.

    6. Re:The Chinese are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry but money were invented in Phoenicia, ancient day Syria.

    7. Re:The Chinese are idiots by Titanek · · Score: 1

      And I fear that this wont begin to change, as long as top government keeps their belief that science is opinion and not fact.

    8. Re:The Chinese are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found the state-sponsored shill!

    9. Re:The Chinese are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I suppose it is true that the west has had a near monopoly in the last 40 years in terms of tech inventions
      Try about 200 years for scientific discoveries and inventions.
      Africa had trains before china did.

    10. Re:The Chinese are idiots by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Rome wasn't built in a day.

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    11. Re:The Chinese are idiots by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Not "always". In the time of the Roman Empire a large chunk of economy was powered by slave labor. That changed with the fall of the Roman Empire though.

    12. Re:The Chinese are idiots by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      The Egyptians also manufactured beer.

    13. Re:The Chinese are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The low population is why they needed slave labor. When labor is abundant there is no need to enslave people.

    14. Re:The Chinese are idiots by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Nah. It was just for profits sake. Soldier farmers lost their lands on prolonged campaigns and the wealthy purchased them at bargain prices from the destitute families. The soldiers brought slaves from their campaigns which were bought by the wealthy as cheap labor to till the fields. It was win-win for them.

      You should read about water mills in the Roman Empire. It's a load of fun. Some wealthy farmers with large plantations ordered water mills from craftsmen to grind wheat (which used to be done with manual labor). They kept this secret from the other farmers because it gave them a competitive edge for generations.

  26. They steal ! by rojash · · Score: 1

    This is because the majority of them are good at proliferating every other unsuspecting country and stealing their technologies, shipping it back home.

  27. what about "computer science"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It lacks "computer science".

    90% of the software is written and documented in english.
    9% in another language.
    1% in brainfuck or obfuscated.

    I didn't find any software that is written and documented in chinese.

  28. LPA - Least publishable/patentable unit by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Decades ago, the terms "least publishable unit" and "least patent-able unit" were being thrown around.

    Bear in mind that patent laws and publishing practices have undergone some changes in the years since.

    Under an "LPA" philosophy of the time, you did what you could to maximize the number of publications and patents you could get out of any invention or research, because when it came to getting money from entities that don't look too closely, "weight-ness makes great-ness" and both will be good for your employer/institution and your personal career.

    Some things have changed.

    The USA has a new patent review process.
    Many more journals are open/non-paywalled.
    Many more "journals" and "conferences" are "fake/in name only."

    Some things haven't:

    Many people including many academics are still motivated by greed and prestige.

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  29. The USA is still number 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have the greatest concentration lawyers, and we are the most concerned about transgender bathroom rights. Also we are very very safety conscious. Safety is the most important thing in the world according to the media. Also we have the most television personalities with deeply compassionate liberal points of view.

    With all these things going for us, how can we loose.

    Have a safe day!

  30. Yes but... by Hentai007 · · Score: 1

    The US now leads the world in "what the fuck?"

    Gauntlet thrown Australia

    1. Re:Yes but... by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

      Japan probably demands a recount, as you username would suggest.

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  31. China is a slave state by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

    As are all communist regimes. State slavery. There is nothing to admire about them.

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  32. Suddenly we've got a replication crisis... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huge coincidence, I'm sure - no one is as honest as the Chinese.

  33. US team wins First Place in Math Olympics by mi · · Score: 2

    America's top "mathletes" have won the first place once again this year in the international Math Olympiad.

    The team's group picture, however, is as racist as it gets...

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    1. Re:US team wins First Place in Math Olympics by PmanAce · · Score: 1

      Not a single looking "American".

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    2. Re:US team wins First Place in Math Olympics by mi · · Score: 1

      Has anyone ever?

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    3. Re:US team wins First Place in Math Olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to break it to you but first or second generation American's have provided most technical/scientific/industrial advancement for the last 150+ years in the US.

      The third generation+ just take credit for it and snag all the wealth.

      Also, the Chinese are using the US's playbook from 120-ish years ago; in US case it was draining Europe dry of tech/wealth and blatently ignoring what one would call "Intellectual Property Rights" today...

      What goes around comes around.

    4. Re:US team wins First Place in Math Olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America's top "mathletes" have won the first place once again this year in the international Math Olympiad.

      The team's group picture, however, is as racist as it gets...

      The winning team picture has been archived @ https://web.archive.org/web/20...
       
      There were altogether 7 members on the stage - consist of 5 yellow (4 male and 1 female) plus 2 brown males
       
      Taking a cue from Slashdot's anti-Chinese sentiment - that the Chinese are all thieves and cheaters - the 5 Chinese thieves and cheaters must have stolen everything from their 2 brown skinned friends.
       
      Next time we should just send those 2 brown skinned guys. It would save us some money.

  34. Mathematics by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Mathematics is plural.

    We call it Maths where I come from.

    1. Re:Mathematics by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Mathematics is plural.

      Sort of, not really, it's complicated.

      Nouns ending in -ics like mathematics, physics, politics, or ethics, mean "a body of facts/information relating to X". The Latin suffix -ica, and it's Greek equivalent, denote a plural, but the Greek suffix -ikos is singular.

      For most such words, there is no singular form that lacks the ending -s. There is no singular noun "mathematic" or "politic", and the singular noun "physic" is related to medicine (as in "physician"), not physics. There is, however, the singular noun "ethic".

    2. Re:Mathematics by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      Do you use maths to catch fishes?

    3. Re:Mathematics by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      Or more accurately, do you use maths to count how many waters you drink?

  35. Not racist by huckamania · · Score: 1

    3 asians and 2 brown people is not racist. Not all asians and not all brown people are the same race. There may be more than 5 races represented there as 'muricans love to intermix.

    I doubt any other country is more diverse.

    1. Re:Not racist by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Asians are Schrodinger's minority. They're considered "white" by progressive leaning outlets usually in days ending in y.

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    2. Re:Not racist by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I see a problem here. There are 7 people in the photo (8 if the person in the bear costume is counted), and 6 people named in the caption. How did your mathematical ability get you to a total of 5?

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  36. Chinks are the Most Prolific Thieves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's what they contribute:

      - Poisoning the environment & oceans
      - Incubating new ultra-virulent diseases
      - Looking like retarded mongoloid insects

  37. Probably true - but people turn a blind eye by obiwantoby · · Score: 2

    US Elite will work with China at all costs, moral costs. https://newrepublic.com/articl...

  38. Sustained effort pays off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    China has been working on this for decades, and there have been some notable academic fraud gaffes, but they've been putting in serious effort, and it adds up over time.

    There are a lot of network effects in scientific research, and historically there's been a huge brain drain as Chinese have looked abroad for opportunities. But China has worked hard to create those opportunities domestically and it's no longer necessary to leave to do world-class science.

    Some projects have been white elephants (the LAMOST telescope is a clever design hindered by a location near Beijing's notorious air pollution, and the FAST radio telescope is having startup problems), but the Daya Bay neutrino experiment has produced genuinely world-class results. And the CJPL underground laboratory looks very promising.

    China desperately wants Nobel prizes. Plenty of expatriate Chinese have won them (like Yang Chen-Ning of the well-known Yang-Mills theory), but their first domestic winner was Tu Youyou in 2015 (Medicine). Now they're after chemistry and physics.

    It used to be that China was long on ideological exhortations and graft, and short on solid engineering. It's learned that reality has a strong preference for the latter, and has built world-class infrastructures in HVDC power transmission and high-speed trains.

    (It seems that the U.S. is going in the exact opposite direction, squandering its world-class science and engineering in favour of, you guessed it, ideological exhortations and graft.)

    I wonder if the CEPC will go ahead. That's expensive even for China, but it'll put them in the forefront of particle physics.

  39. indians write more computer books, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what does it MEAN that indians write more computer books when fast-moving innovators don't read computer books like they did in the 1990s, and china pumps out more academic research? is this research paywalled? does anyone read all these papers?

  40. After they copy ideas from guys like me? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who did hosts hardcodes vs. DNS down or redirect poisoned for security (speed in faster resolution too) : China or me? I did - dates are my proof http://theregister.co.uk/2017/... w/ the FACT China rampantly STEALS U.S. Intellectual properties & military secrets!

    APK

    P.S.=> China's nothing more than thieves... apk

  41. Exposing Racism by mi · · Score: 1

    Any group with disproportional representation of any race is — by the progressive definition racist. Blacks in the US comprise about 12% of the population, so it may be excusable for a group of fewer than 10 to not have any. But Whites are a majority, so any group of two or more without a single White person is racist. Case closed.

    Now, as we also know from the same progressive teachers of the people, denial of racism is in itself racist. Yes, I'm looking sternly at you, racist, you have been exposed.

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  42. quantity does not equal quality by LazarusQLong · · Score: 1

    That's nice, the largest nation in the world produces the most reseach papers got it. But are they mostly crap papers? https://qz.com/978037/china-pu... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/1... https://www.nature.com/news/20... Did the author of that peper just use numbers of papers written, just as they only used email addresses from within China to count Chinese papers?

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  43. Retard APK continues his lies and failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Retard Alexander Peter Kowalski continues his lies and failure Like how he claims the Chinese copied him but can't produce any evidence.
    How about when he states that hosts does port filtering but again can't backup his statement which was shown to be false.
    There is also his list of "experts" who support him but it turns out they don't say what he is claiming.
    This also ignores his out of context quotes he uses to lie by omission.
    The problem with APK is that his entire reputation is built upon the lie he told years ago that hosts is an effective security solution. It has been exposed numerous times as being a lie and when exposed APK fails to argue logically and instead will try to deflect criticism, change the subject, move the goal posts, return to a previously disproved statement, demand you prove you did better than his file concatenator, or just call people names. Expect that he will used these tactics to try to deflect from these criticisms. He will continue to lie by stating that he won or "dusted" you while failing to refute anything you said, will never provide real evidence, and generally try to dodge the issue.

    Face it APK is one of the most detested individuals here for good reason. When ever his poor behavior, awful logic, over statements, and horrendous writing are called out he has a fit and has done so for years across the internet. He is a spammer, and is an abusive insecure little man who is washed up and never amounted to anything. Until he produces actual verifiable facts supporting his case nothing he says should be taken seriously.

    1. Re:Retard APK continues his lies and failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your software is just crap - written in crayon, fictional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine as a punchline to a joke by mmell February 17, 2017

      Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is fucking insane - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

      his hosts "program" is actually a broken batch file by xenotransplant August 10 2015

      his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to be a laughingstock while consuming excessive amounts of alcohol by alexgieg September 25 2015

      I like your tinfoil hat by Karmashock September 09 2015

      that APK nut, I can't get him to stop talking about his piece of shit file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

      I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

      APK

      P.S.=> When YOU do better than THAT by our /. registered peers, then talk (from behind your FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIE of a "so-called" WASTED life) - ok? apk

  44. copycat research by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 2

    I read a lot of cancer research. China's researchers are repeating a lot of western studies done over the previous half century, which I find useful. But it is not original research.

    I surmise that China genuinely wants to know more about old answers, from the nuts and bolts to basic veracity, find opportunities (lots of them) and to train a generation of its scientists with an answer guide.

    1. Re:copycat research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read a lot of cancer research. China's researchers are repeating a lot of western studies done over the previous half century, which I find useful. But it is not original research.

      If most of western medical research is corporate controlled bullshit then they are effectively carrying out the studies for the first time and so it really is original. In which case they might end up with actual medical research. Let's just hope they are more honest and what they do actually has value. I have my doubts, but hey, they can hardly do worse.

    2. Re: copycat research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no way to legitimize the claim without directly addressing and statistically enumerating the incredible scale of study duplication as well as fraudulent results from all of South East Asia. It's a genuine cultural problem of a similar scale to the way the US is afflicted with puritanism in politics.

  45. Misleading, wrong or outright fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But those are the papers on which most start-ups are founded.

  46. Equality by shaksys · · Score: 0

    B...b....b....BUT CHINA has no equality enforcement for board rooms and tech jobs!! How could a true meritocracy like that ever be the dominant power in science!?!?!

  47. Population by shaksys · · Score: 0

    This metric is flawed, it makes sense that two nations of equal standing, where one has triple the population, should have more of one thing or another. Adjust the metric to be "As a percentage of its population" and maybe it might mean something.

  48. Can someone explain the academic ecosystem? by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

    Reading past news about this, isn't being published a requirement for advancement? Or at least increases your academic resume? My understanding is that it is like a big social circle jerk, whereby having more publications gives you a one-up on fellow academics. In this case quantity is more important than quality, and peer review is basically a rubber stamp. Please correct me if wrong.

  49. Perhaps by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    It is because China, unlike the US, takes education a bit more seriously ?

    The US hasn't yet figured out that you can't rely on outsourcing to solve all of your problems. ( A good example is relying on Russia to act as Space-Uber to get your astronauts up to the ISS )

    When you piss off the country you rely on to make the magic happen, well. . . . you better have a local solution to fall back upon.

    Which is why the public education system needs to be overhauled.

    You don't get to stay a superpower for very long when your populations education sits at the bottom of your priority list.

  50. Is this post full of Chinese shill comments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Chinese lie, steal and cheat on a massively huge scale. 99% of everything that comes out of that shithole of a country can be assumed to be badly ripped off from other sources.

    Fuck China.

  51. 2 questions & China... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & 2 questions you won't answer: 1.) Do hosts stop threats served by hostname (the way threats are done most) by blocking them? Yes. 2.) Do hosts speed you up 2 ways in adblocking (preventing more infection/tracking/slowdown) & via hardcoded favorite sites resolving faster + protecting vs. dns down or redirect poisoned? Yes.

    My hosts program's the only 1 that does the latter @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM (for best performance) & only 1 of its kind on Linux/BSD in easy to use flexible configuration GUI form.

    (I also did that latter part LONG before the Chinese & 1st http://theregister.co.uk/2017/... )

    APK

    P.S.-> Have you done work that's that effective doing more for less faster in kernelmode speed (cpu priority) w/ less complexity for exploit + excess overheads vs. solutions KNOWN to be security-issue riddled (like addons (souled-out to NOT work by default OR easily detected & blocked that are BYPASSABLE & EXPLOITABLE), DNS & Antivirus)? No... apk

  52. Security pros QUOTED on hosts vs. your lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.comnews/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

    SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else. Both Ramu and an anonymous reader have suggested this" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

    Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&cid=49747129/

    ZD NET http://www.zdnet.comarticle/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

    Steve Gibson on hosts https://www.grc.comsn/sn-045.htm/

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.comcolumnists/491/

    APK

    P.S.=> You LOSE, liar... apk

  53. Hosts efficacy recently (partial only) alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's working: Neville... it's working!" See subject & results from THIS past month alone https://it.slashdot.org/commen... & https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... that's only recently while I've been on Linux (few months now only) & 100's of times vs. MANY other botnets/malwares etc. in the past circa 2006-early 2018 while I was on Windows: There's BULLSHIT & doing nothing pessimsm & then? There's CONCRETE VISIBLE UNDENIABLE REALITY (see those links as proof).

    P.S.=> ... & that's ONLY what /. reported on (there are FAR more)... apk

  54. Thor SCHMUCK & ArseHoleTechnica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arstechnica = losers who stalked me (as you do now anonymously unidentifiably) to NTCompatible.com & Windows IT Pro magazine forums to their public dismay in Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little + Jarrett DeAngelis (who posts here on /. until I drove his ass off too) when their websites were REMOVED by their hosting providers in Shaw Canada & CrystalTech (for both email harassing me caught on a tracking ticket + stalking me & posting lies about me on them AFTER I destroyed them both PUBLICLY @ Windows IT Pro on Exchange Servers memory being freed UNHALTING them (which tells you Exchange is HEAVILY POINTER ORIENTED linked list driven, which leads to memory fragmentation that CAN halt a serverware)).

    Peter Bright/Dr. Pizza (alias GOITERMAN, lol) can tell you what happened to his IRC server after that (lol).

    "Tthe great arseHOLEtechnica" (not) RUN OUT of their own server chatrooms hahaha (by "yours truly").

    Jay Little the "self-proclaimed 'EXCHANGE EXPERT'" HAD TO CONCEDE IT from MICROSOFT'S OWN DOCUMENTATION proving it FOR me there (where they as usual stalked me AS YOU ARE NOW)

    Thor SCHMUCK?

    Ask him WHY his false accusation of an old ware of mine was 1st taken down to NO threat & CA sold off the SHITTY antivir he sold (as a paid pawn of theirs) & they are GONE, done. dead... lol!

    Lookup "CA Accounting Scandal" on Google - scumbags & THEIR BIRDS OF A FEATHER just go down vs. me everytime!

    APK

    P.S.=> TONS of Security experts KNOW blacklists work https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... (no questions asked) & 3 things show I do it right:

    1st = User praise my hosts engine https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... (so much for ME being "detested" but I'm not here to win a popularity contest - just here to WIN so everyone does).

    2nd "ATTACKS" I GET (from UNIDENTIFIABLE ac as Elon Musk got https://tech.slashdot.org/stor... )

    3rd BEING IMITATED = "Imitation = sincerest form of flattery" https://linux.slashdot.org/com... JUST LIKE CHINA DID ME TOO... apk

  55. #1 Fake Data & Lies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soooo science!

    FUCK CHING CHONGS. #1 planet-killing small cocks.

  56. c6gunner IMPERSONATES me & alters statements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * SEE SUBJECT & PROOF HE ALTERS OTHERS' PRAISE OF MY WORK (c6gunner IS the poster) https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

    APK

    P.S.=> You RAN from a fair challenge c6gunner after you FAILED putting me down https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

  57. Not Chinese but post-Deng Chinese Communists by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

    If you put the more generic racist arguments aside of Chinese not being a people of "original thought", there is a question of whether the modern Communist Chinese system will be able to be creative and inventive at the same rate as the West. This was the big question for a lot of nations, China included, on whether you could replicate the rapid pace of Western technological innovation and thought without the "harmful" concepts of liberal society and free flow of information. This is doubly true as the current PRC government under President Xi undoes a lot of the liberalization that had been driven by Deng Xiaoping following the Cultural Revolution.

  58. Bigot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your bigotry is leaking, as are the lies you believe.

  59. Ed Tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ed Tech is a great field ... for taking money from the taxpayers. Good luck P-hunting. I say that rather cynically, as I've found that every "improvement" in technology correlates with a corresponding decline in critical thinking outcomes. But, ed tech is great for memorizing the answers to canned questions.

  60. Re:Where are the intels or sony or boeing/airbus o by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Oppo, DJI.
    Due to sanctions Chinese can't purchase semiconductor manufacturing tools unless they are two process nodes behind the leading edge technology.

    As for their aeronautical sector, they working on it, with projects like the Comac 919. They are still behind countries like Russia, Brazil, Canada though.

  61. Re:c6gunner IMPERSONATES me & alters statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this true apk? Did you take a big crap on arstech? The microsoft propaganda shitbox?

    I support anyone who shits on those uptight fags in their safe space. This lends more credibility to your claims.

  62. Examinator by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Mandarin Chinese have significantly higher average IQ than most other people groups

    For many hundreds of years, the best gov't positions were awarded on mostly written test scores. Winners had the most concubines. Thus, it could be the Chinese inadvertently bred themselves to be efficient test-takers. Whether that translates into practical ability is another matter.

  63. Verifiable fact on ThorSCHMUCK & ArseHoleTech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arstechnica = losers who stalked me (as you do now anonymously unidentifiably) to NTCompatible.com & Windows IT Pro magazine forums to their public dismay in Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little + Jarrett DeAngelis (who posts here on /. until I drove his ass off too) when their websites were REMOVED by their hosting providers in Shaw Canada & CrystalTech (for both email harassing me caught on a tracking ticket + stalking me & posting lies about me on them AFTER I destroyed them both PUBLICLY @ Windows IT Pro on Exchange Servers memory being freed UNHALTING them (which tells you Exchange is HEAVILY POINTER ORIENTED linked list driven, which leads to memory fragmentation that CAN halt a serverware)).

    Jay Little the "self-proclaimed 'EXCHANGE EXPERT'" HAD TO CONCEDE IT from MICROSOFT'S OWN DOCUMENTATION proving it FOR me there (where they as usual stalked me AS YOU ARE NOW)

    Peter Bright/Dr. Pizza (alias GOITERMAN, lol) can tell you what happened to his IRC server after that (lol).

    "The great arseHOLEtechnica" (not) RUN OUT of their own server chatrooms hahaha (by "yours truly").

    ---

    Thor SCHMUCK?

    Ask him WHY his false accusation of an old ware of mine was 1st taken down to NO threat & CA sold off the SHITTY antivir he sold (as a paid pawn of theirs) & they are GONE, done. dead... lol!

    Lookup "CA Accounting Scandal" on Google - scumbags & THEIR BIRDS OF A FEATHER just go down vs. me everytime!

    APK

    P.S.=> TONS of Security experts KNOW blacklists work https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... (no questions asked) & 3 things show I do it right:

    1st = User praise my hosts engine https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... (so much for ME being "detested" but I'm not here to win a popularity contest - just here to WIN so everyone does).

    2nd "ATTACKS" I GET (from UNIDENTIFIABLE ac as Elon Musk got https://tech.slashdot.org/stor... )

    3rd BEING IMITATED = "Imitation = sincerest form of flattery" https://linux.slashdot.org/com... JUST LIKE CHINA DID ME TOO... apk

  64. Re:c6gunner IMPERSONATES me & alters statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, more like they took a big crap on him and then set it on fire. He posted his wanna be programs there, got called out for being a spammer, threw a shit fit, and eventually got kick out. Just search for AlecStaar and ArsTechnica and you can see for your self. He was a wanna be then, just like he still is now.

  65. Re:c6gunner IMPERSONATES me & alters statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even a nice try chump: I blew them away OUTSIDE their "private playpen" as they stalked me to their dismay (& dusted a server too) Arstechnica = losers who stalked me (as you do now anonymously unidentifiably) to NTCompatible.com & Windows IT Pro magazine forums to their public dismay in Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little + Jarrett DeAngelis (who posts here on /. until I drove his ass off too) when their websites were REMOVED by their hosting providers in Shaw Canada & CrystalTech (for both email harassing me caught on a tracking ticket + stalking me & posting lies about me on them AFTER I destroyed them both PUBLICLY @ Windows IT Pro on Exchange Servers memory being freed UNHALTING them (which tells you Exchange is HEAVILY POINTER ORIENTED linked list driven, which leads to memory fragmentation that CAN halt a serverware)).

    Jay Little the "self-proclaimed 'EXCHANGE EXPERT'" HAD TO CONCEDE IT from MICROSOFT'S OWN DOCUMENTATION proving it FOR me there (where they as usual stalked me AS YOU ARE NOW)

    Peter Bright/Dr. Pizza (alias GOITERMAN, lol) can tell you what happened to his IRC server after that (lol).

    "The great arseHOLEtechnica" (not) RUN OUT of their own server chatrooms hahaha (by "yours truly").

    * ONLY THING PROTECTING ars server itself is the law I don't break - but that's it.... & they are LUCKY I obey laws.

    APK

    P.S.=> Oh those GREAT MEMORIES of dusting a pack of punks & KNOWN underachiever losers @ ArseHoleTechnica, lol - publicly... apk

  66. Yeah, and I'm sure they're all 100% reproducible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    N/T

  67. c6gunner I know it's you: Tell ya what (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * Want more? 30 reviews by registered /.ers on quality/efficacy of my work (not yours that doesn't exist) https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12478398&cid=57130680/ https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12478398&cid=57137806/ https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12478398&cid=57137868/ https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12478398&cid=57137916/ https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12478398&cid=57137944/

    P.S.=> SEE SUBJECT: c6gunner - Show me YOU have done better BEFORE you call ME "wannabe" you DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" FAKE NAME fuck - ok?? I'd like to see that (never will happen)

  68. But Americans have the best lawyers by aberglas · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the US out lawyers China 10 to 1.

    So, what did the US do right to dominate in that field?

    (I like your test thesis.)

    1. Re:But Americans have the best lawyers by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The culture is different in China such that they use lawsuits less often to solve disputes. Debate about whether that's good or bad is rather involved.