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Senior Google Scientist Resigns Over 'Forfeiture of Our Values' in China (theintercept.com)

A senior Google research scientist has quit the company in protest over its plan to launch a censored version of its search engine in China. The Intercept: Jack Poulson worked for Google's research and machine intelligence department, where he was focused on improving the accuracy of the company's search systems. In early August, Poulson raised concerns with his managers at Google after The Intercept revealed that the internet giant was secretly developing a Chinese search app for Android devices. The search system, code-named Dragonfly, was designed to remove content that China's authoritarian government views as sensitive, such as information about political dissidents, free speech, democracy, human rights, and peaceful protest. After entering into discussions with his bosses, Poulson decided in mid-August that he could no longer work for Google. He tendered his resignation and his last day at the company was August 31. He told The Intercept in an interview that he believes he is one of about five of the company's employees to resign over Dragonfly. He felt it was his "ethical responsibility to resign in protest of the forfeiture of our public human rights commitments," he said.

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  1. Why is this uncommon? by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have quit jobs that I felt has turned me into a bad person, and I would look in the mirror and realized I wasn't happy with what I had became.

    Sure we all have jobs that we may not like or disagree with, but if you have a moral objection to it, you should quit your job. If you are Senior Data scientist, Google may have a harder time replacing your job. But I am sure they will find someone to fill the gap. But the thing is, we can't always change the world, but at least we can feel good about our current place in it.

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    1. Re:Why is this uncommon? by zlives · · Score: 2

      "Why is this uncommon?" wage slaves. err wage workers for python users

    2. Re:Why is this uncommon? by sittingnut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      person who resigned is virtue signaling. and covering up for google at same time, by acting as if this something new for the company
      * google has been spying on everyone to make money for years. its how they make money.
      * it has been sharing info with usa intelligence agencies.
      * it actively helped usa's interfering political agenda's in other countries, for example actively helping and making apps for syria's mostly islamic terrorist opposition to assad. now just before a major military operation( with already heated propaganda claims and counter claims about chemical weapons) google is censoring regimes's media, only regime's not opposition's.
      * conservatives and trump supporters claim they have been targeted by google through censorship, blocking, shadow banning , etc,. some have indeed been subjected to all that.
      * google companies are now actively propping up visibility of legacy media, with their bias and establishment views, allegedly to combat "fake news".

    3. Re:Why is this uncommon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As much as I despise virtue signalling, this, refreshingly, is not an example of it. The employee in question chose to quit his job rather than continue on in his position. He deliberately chose personal sacrifice/inconvenience in favor of his pet issue. Whether I agree or disagree with an activist on any particular issue, I can at least show some amount of respect to a person who is willing to put their money where their mouth is.

      Virtue signalling, in contrast, is the act of shouting very loudly about an issue without actually doing anything about it. Look at me, I'm one of the Good Guys! I care soooooo deeply about Issue X! Those Bad Guys would never care as deeply as me! And so on.

    4. Re:Why is this uncommon? by ranton · · Score: 2

      For some people, it is so hard to understand the actions of a good and decent person that they need to find a criticism to make themselves feel better.

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    5. Re:Why is this uncommon? by Scarletdown · · Score: 2

      He has probably racked up more than enough to retire and live comfortably ever after with no worries for his future anyway.

      Granted, his conscience is laudable, but at least it should be easy enough to leave and continue living without having to line up another job first.

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  2. Well, you know by ruddk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The tech world are not all that into free speech anymore, specially not those coming out of Silicon Valley. ;)

  3. Came to say the same thing. by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems pretty ripe to claim Google is forfeiting values in China, when it's applying the very same values of control over the populace in the U.S. by removing many kinds of YouTube videos it does not like, either for content or ideology.

    If you are removing content based on ideology, you have no reason to claim any moral high ground over China.

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    1. Re:Came to say the same thing. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Can you give some examples of videos they've removed that you believe should have been kept? I feel like I can't really give an opinion on it until I actually see the kinds of things they're removing.

  4. Re:devil's advocate? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    If I were to take a contrarian view of this, I would ask: "What is the difference between Google censoring search results based on the public security laws of China, versus Google censoring search results based on the copyright laws of the USA and EU?"

    The difference is that in the USA it's legal to include as much of a copyrighted work as necessary for criticism or to otherwise make a point, but in China if you include information that the government doesn't want you to share, you get broken up for parts and your organs are sold to the highest bidder.

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  5. Re: NSA spying and murderbot OS was ok though? by c6gunner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You don't really believe all that nonsense, do you?

    It's like you copy-pasted a couple paragraphs from an official KGB "news release".

  6. Re:Take the money and work for the company by ranton · · Score: 2

    Or not (as a VERY small number of people have chosen to do) - everybody has their price, and he clearly wasn't offered enough.

    Not everyone has their price. Although that has more to do with what other options a person has access to. I make good money in a career I enjoy, so even an extra $100k in salary wouldn't get me to do a job I hate or that I'm morally opposed to. But if I was making minimum wage, I would likely take a job I was morally opposed to for a $100k raise. Once you're high enough on Maslow's hierarchy of basic needs, it takes for less sacrifice to do what you consider to be the right thing.

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