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Gunman Shoots 4 at Middleton Software Company; Dies in Shootout With Police (madison.com)

Several Slashdot readers shared this report overnight: A gunman shot four people, none fatally, at his Middleton, Wisconsin workplace Wednesday morning before he was killed in a shootout with police, Middleton Police Chief Charles Foulke said. Authorities had not released the man's name or age, but police said he was from Madison and worked at WTS Paradigm, a software company at 1850 Deming Way where the shooting occurred. Police said a motive for the shooting was not yet known. Foulke said the shooter had been in the building before he began shooting at fellow employees around 10:29 a.m. One of the four people injured was just grazed by a bullet police say was fired from a handgun. Citing UW Health, a local NBC affiliate reported that two victims are in serious condition and one is in critical condition. "In a situation like this, you learn how great a community really is," WTS Marketing Manager Ryan Mayrand said. "We cannot thank the Middleton Police Department, the Dane County Sheriff's Office and other emergency personnel enough for their amazing response."

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  1. but by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What does this have to do with tech news?

    1. Re:but by diaz · · Score: 2

      Because it happened at a software consulting firm. Employee reviews makes it sound like a bad place to work: https://www.glassdoor.com/Revi...

    2. Re:but by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

      UNLESS we're talking a phased plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range. Then they are perfectly acceptable.

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    3. Re:but by CoolCash · · Score: 2

      I think it was an argument about Tabs vs. Spaces.

    4. Re: but by reanjr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pretty much my entire team shoots or owns guns, and we're all California liberals. The fear of liberal gun control is a trick the NRA plays on people like the GP.

    5. Re: but by nwaack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fear of liberal gun control is a trick the NRA plays on people like the GP.

      Um no. Your are very much the exception. Nearly all of my liberal friends are rabidly anti-gun, as are most liberal lawmakers.

    6. Re:but by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      UNLESS we're talking a phased plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range.

      Hey, buddy....just what you see on the wall, eh?

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    7. Re:but by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 2

      This review nailed it :
      https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-WTS-Paradigm-RVW22558549.htm

      "[Pros] No positives I can think of"
      "[Cons] Work environment is so bad you literally might be shot by a co-worker"

    8. Re:but by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      > Cons

      > Work environment is so bad you literally might be shot by a co-worker

      It makes me wonder if this review was posted by the shooter, just prior to his going on the attack.

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    9. Re: but by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      That so-called imaginary NRA "trick" you're talking about...

      so is it not true that you can only legally own a 10 round magazine in CA? ...and if you carry a gun in your car, you have to do so such a way as it is effectively useless for self defense? (the ammo and gun have to be locked away seperately right?).
      Seems to me like liberal-driven gun control is far more already happening in CA than just an NRA mind-trick. Given you clearly believe your assertionn, you might want to rethink who's actually doing the brainwashing thing to you here.

  2. Re:U.S.A. Where everybody has guns by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What was WTS Paradigm's policy on carrying while at work? I'll venture a guess that this is one of these 'gun free' zones.

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  3. I'll settle this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Vi is better than Emacs. There will not be any more arguments about this...

    1. Re:I'll settle this... by rnturn · · Score: 2

      Oh yes there will. ;^)

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  4. FFS Editors. Where TF is Middleton? by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's likely to be a ton of towns called Middleton in the US and the main story links to local paper and even TFA doesn't say which Middleton. It was only looking at the banner of the TFA that I saw it was Wisconsin.

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  5. It's 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    We say gunperson now, you sexist pig.

    Women can shoot up places, just ask YouTube.

    Captcha: concede

  6. Re:U.S.A. Where everybody has guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the standard employee contract clause is banning guns at company property. It's there to limit liability to the company in events like this and doesn't deter possession unless the carrier is an idiot. I've been carrying Glock 43 for years and non of my co-workers are non the wiser. You are personally responsible for your own safety. Society and laws are there to remediate after the crime has been committed. Police catch criminals after the fact and aren't there to protect you.

  7. Quick question by TimMD909 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Was this against a Code of Conduct? Without a document telling me exactly how to act, I'm lost. Make it as big as possible so that almost no one reads it. Then appoint people to lay down the law from this infallible book, as your average person couldn't understand it.

    Actually, could we get a cheat sheet with 10 easy to remember rules? Write it in stone too, so people know they're not up for negotiation. I'd split it into 2 tablets to make it easier to carry down the mountain.

    Lastly, we'll need a sacrifical lamb, of sorts. He'd have to be a really good guy. Someone who wants to help but says things not politically correct. If we could then figuratively crucify him in the court of public opinion, maybe then we could wake up as a society.

    Not sure if this has ever been tried before, but it might work.

  8. Re:Enough by harrkev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, if four people were stabbed, would you want fewer knives in this country? No, I am not being sarcastic. In England, they have "sane" gun laws, but now they are cracking down on knife ownership. You can't make this stuff up!

    https://www.met.police.uk/Stop...

    So, you go after the weapon, and the criminals choose another weapon. In France, they had a HIGHER death toll that America's worst mass shooting using just a TRUCK! If only they had sane truck laws, with mandatory training and licensing, that would not happen, right?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  9. We have CC at our office by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our office, 15-20 people midwest, we have the OWNER that carries and probably 4-5 people that carry. We are all 2nd amendment promoters and believe everyone that is responsible and has the legal right to carry, should be permitted to do so. These "gun free" zones are just like dangling a worm on a hook, near a fish.

    1. Re: We have CC at our office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why then does the gun control utopia of Chicago have such high rates of gun violence (but only some areas oddly), while there is a low rate of violence in places like... Plano, TX, where getting a gun is easy.

    2. Re: We have CC at our office by reanjr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You think the gun violence in Chicago stems from Indiana guns imported legally? Let me tell you about a little thing called criminal behavior...

    3. Re: We have CC at our office by r1348 · · Score: 2

      Except when they go on a shooting rampage, of course.

    4. Re:We have CC at our office by gtall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah!! It should only take, what, several shots from the perp's gun before s/he gets gunned down by a law-abiding, gun-toting, rootin-tootin cowboy, who, if s/he's lucky, won't manage to knock off a few co-workers in the crossfire.

    5. Re: We have CC at our office by harrkev · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because people drive the guns in from Indiana?

      Then, according to your logic, crime should be HIGHER in Indiana, since you don't even have to cross a state line. Funny how Lafayette, Indiana has a significantly lower crime rate than Chicago.

      So, one city has an absolutely horrible problem, so the solution is to spread their laws nationwide. Does this mean that Google should copy Yahoo's business model? If you were cheating on a test, would you copy off of the dumbest kid in the class?

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    6. Re: We have CC at our office by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      I have a new crime of which you clearly have never heard. It's called gun trafficking. It really is 100% true that if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Guns aren't even the best way to take out a shitload of people, so you might want to think for the first time about being careful what you ask for, because the new headlines will be "Man, unable to find a gun, detonates an IED and kills *everyone* at company x."

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    7. Re: We have CC at our office by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why then does the gun control utopia of Chicago have such high rates of gun violence (but only some areas oddly), while there is a low rate of violence in places like... Plano, TX, where getting a gun is easy.

      Did you know that in Dallas and Houston, where getting a gun is very easy, the rate of violent crime is almost exactly the same as in Chicago? I bet you didn't.

      Maybe instead of comparing a suburb of Dallas with an actual city like Chicago, you might compare apples to apples. Plano is basically the Schaumburg of Dallas, and Schaumburg, Illinois has a lower rate of gun violence than Plano, Texas.

      Guns don't make you safer. They only make you a bigger jackoff.

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    8. Re: We have CC at our office by quenda · · Score: 2

      Why then does the gun control utopia of Chicago have such high rates of gun violence (but only some areas oddly), while there is a low rate of violence in places like... Plano, TX, where getting a gun is easy.

      Presumably, the gun laws are a response to the violence, not the other way around as your question wrongly suggests.
      Not a lot of black people in Plano.
      But this is obvious, so what is your point?

    9. Re: We have CC at our office by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because people drive the guns in from Indiana? This isnÃ(TM)t difficult.

      Hmm...then I"m guessing that the gun crime and murder rates are exponentially higher in Indiana than they are in IL, or even just Chicago alone, right?

      I mean, hell, they don't even have to drive the guns in there illegally do they?

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    10. Re: We have CC at our office by skam240 · · Score: 2

      "It really is 100% true that if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns."

      Of course in first world nations where there are very few guns there are also very few outlaws with guns as seen by there drastically lower levels of gun violence. Given this, your scenario is not terribly scary.

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    11. Re:We have CC at our office by skam240 · · Score: 2

      Oh yes, the statisical blip that is Londons current homicide rate. For the past 7 decades at least London has had a drastically lower homicide rate than New York. After that, if you compare any other major first world city in another country to New York, New York is back to looking pretty bad.

      So in summary, your comparison between two individual cities does not accurately reflect the reality of homicide rates in the US versus that of other first world nations with much stricter gun control

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    12. Re: We have CC at our office by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Guns don't make you safer. They only make you a bigger jackoff.

      I don't say this lightly, and I say it as a gun owner myself.

      Here is some (seriously, not a joke or rick-roll) video of a simple confrontation between neighbors in Texas that turned deadly because guns made some jackoffs even bigger jackoffs. Notice that the two members of the well-regulated militia who are toting guns (but not shirts) had every chance to just turn around, and murdered a guy while they knew they were being recorded on video.

      https://www.rawstory.com/2018/...

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    13. Re: We have CC at our office by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Nice, let's compare a mostly rural state to one of our biggest urban areas on homicide rates. That's just terribly impressive on your part.

      But, everyone said the gun violence problem in IL was due to easy guns from Indiana next door....it seems a valid statement I made.

      Compare cities in IL to similar cities in Indiana....is the gun violence in the whole state of Indiana worse than in Illinois? Since guns are less restricted in Indiana, you'd expect so per the gun control arguments, eh?

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  10. Re:Enough by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it happened because of the existence of guns, or because non state agents have some, you would have some kind of point.

    Since it didn't, it's just you politicizing a murder.

  11. Re:Taking bets this guy was an angry alt-right los by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ahh, so San Bernardino, Orlando, Rothschild, San Francisco, Fort Lauderdale, the Bronx, Antioch, and many more were all angry white alt-right guys? Thanks! Wasn't aware of that... Maybe I should ask you about the dozens of mass shootings in Chicago every year, alt-right angry white guys too?

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  12. Re: U.S.A. Where everybody has guns by reanjr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, that's why there's so many more mass shootings in Israel.

    Oh... wait a second...

  13. Re:Enough by ageoffri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't worry, with the appointment of Kavanaugh the 2nd Amendment will be safe for one and maybe even two generations. Hopefully enough time to educate people that you don't blame properly functioning tools for the problems the users create.

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  14. Re:U.S.A. Where everybody has guns by r1348 · · Score: 2

    It is somewhat more difficult to stab someone to death, not to mention drive a truck in an office building.

  15. Re:Enough by harrkev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, but there is MORE of a difference between the two countries than JUST gun laws.

    Using your logic, Japan has no guns, but a much higher suicide rate. Clearly, if they had easier access to guns, suicides would drop, right? England also has a different economy, different culture, and different health care system. I guess that none of that matters, right?

    Back when they had easier access to guns, they STILL had a lower homicide rate. Simply stated, if you look at the big picture instead of cherry-picking a few numbers, the data doesn't back you up.

    In America, you are as safe as the safest parts of Europe, as long as you avoid the "wrong" neighborhoods. Most areas of the US are very safe, as most of the crime is concentrated into a few, small areas.

    If you avoid areas with a high population density and high poverty, you will be OK.

    Check out this headline: "Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders"

    https://crimeresearch.org/2017...

    If you want to reduce violence, then improving the economy would be a big step in the right direction.

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  16. Re: Enough by houghi · · Score: 2

    If taking away weapons does not name it safer, why is the US so against North Korea having some weapons?

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  17. Re:wait by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hmm...well, once again, this gunman used a pistol illegally in the commission of this crime.

    I think we must immediately begin once again, calling for the ban on AR-15 and other scary looking rifles, and banning standard 30 round capacity magazines!!!

    I mean, this is usually what the anti-gunners start yelling after a shooting, right....?

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  18. Re:U.S.A. Where everybody has guns by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    But against unarmed victims, they all work great. Nice, France: 86 killed with a truck. Manchester, England: 20 killed with a homemade bomb.

    But those are OK because nobody used a gun, right?

    Oh, hello Mr. Strawman! Why, what a load of crap you are! I don't know who told you that it is legal to kill people with knives or trucks, but you're pretty gullible if you believe them.

    Regarding "they all work good".
    You point a gun at an unarmed person- you have very little resistance and a very high chance of killing your victim.
    You try to stab someone with a knife- you stand a reasonable chance of failing, being disposed of your knife, and suffering wounds yourself. And if you do make contact- it's hard to make a quick kill and move on to the next victim.
    Same with a vehicle- yeah the potential is there to get a lot of people at once- but you essentially get one shot- and then your "Weapon" is disabled.

    There's a reason why our soldiers are equipped with guns as their primary weapons and not knives or trucks. Driving trucks at the opposition in war wouldn't work very well- and our knife wielding soldiers would be quickly shot down.

    Guns are much more efficient killing weapons... in fact that is their primary purpose. It's a lot harder to ban knives or trucks because they serve a purpose other than killing- in fact, killing isn't what they're primarily designed to do.

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  19. Re:Enough by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    I don't know why they worry. The government has thousands of nukes, I've only got three.

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  20. Re: wait by bluelip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    American is doing great. Though, it would be even better if more responsible people were armed instead of just criminals.

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  21. Re:U.S.A. Where everybody has guns by yorgasor · · Score: 2

    He hired a prostitute through an online service who provided ID to prove she was 18. It sounds more like a government setup, like Assange, than a pedophile.

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  22. Re:better check again, Bunky. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Oh! A rebuttal! I checked your link and they show a number with nothing to back it up. It says from 1-100 based on FBI data, and nothing else. I gave it a try and found this:
    Link [bestplaces.net] that shows Huston has 800% the violent crime rate of Chicago!

    Look at your link again. It's not comparing Houston to Chicago, it's comparing Houston to Chicago Ridge, which is a tiny suburb of 14,000 people way outside Chicago. It's a bedroom community, and as someone who has lived in both Chicago and Houston, it makes complete sense that Houston would have 800% more violent crime than Chicago Ridge.

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