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China Blocks Twitch (engadget.com)

After becoming the third most popular free app on China's App Store, Twitch is now no longer accessible and the Twitch app has been removed from the country's App Store. Engadget reports: While Twitch was available in China previously, it never gained much traction since its service is much slower than it is elsewhere. But when the country's CCTV state broadcaster chose not to air the Asian Games, those wanting to watch the event's eSports competitions sought coverage from other outlets. Now, with Twitch seemingly blocked in the country, it follows in the footsteps of other banned sites, including Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. Abacus first reported the news.

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  1. Re:twitch this by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    'China can Twitch my DAMN balls.'

    Would have been way better.

  2. Re:Let China Isolate Itself by hjf · · Score: 1

    too late

  3. Viewer numbers? by Gabest · · Score: 2

    Did Fortnite and League lose 90%?

  4. And? by Bobrick · · Score: 1

    And nothing of value was lost.

    1. Re:And? by Altrag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Freedom isn't valuable to you? I mean its China and I realize talking about "freedom" in that context is like kicking the rubble after the building's already collapsed.. but every additional kick is one less pebble the Chinese people have available to them.

    2. Re:And? by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      Freedom... you must be American to associate freedom with a video game streaming website, completely overlooking how your country keeps your people everything but "free".

    3. Re:And? by Altrag · · Score: 1

      And exactly what freedoms do you consider to be non-trivial? Do you really think that only specific freedoms are worth having?

      Never mind the fact that _any_ user-driven content is a potential avenue for someone to tell their story for the world to see. Video is video. Twitch may be associated primarily with games, but as far as I know there's nothing stopping someone from uploading any other type of video content, other than "soft" measures like terms of service agreements.

  5. Re:Whatever happened to... by Luthair · · Score: 1

    Turns out if your an authoritarian regime who controls all the pipes it doesn't.

  6. Alternative Reason - Protectionism by Luthair · · Score: 5, Insightful

    China has a number of popular domestic streaming platforms, perhaps the move to block twitch as it became popular is also to protect their buddies.

    1. Re:Alternative Reason - Protectionism by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Even the casual streamer easily has a few hundred viewers, which on Twitch would be considered pretty good. The big time streamers have at least 100K viewers at any time.

      Yeah, but they have 1.3 billion people so you would expect higher audience numbers.

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    2. Re:Alternative Reason - Protectionism by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Why aren't we doing the same thing? It seems the very job of our government to give our own people an advantage. Instead we get sold out to fund hostile countries that hate us.

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    3. Re:Alternative Reason - Protectionism by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      China has a number of popular domestic streaming platforms, perhaps the move to block twitch as it became popular is also to protect their buddies.

      It's probably really the following.
      1) Twitch isn't based in China and it does live streaming. That makes it threat because Chinese Twitch users might be able to live broadcast The Revolution - if it ever happens there.
      2) It helps China based competitors who also cooperate with the government to stay in business and the government does have a way to get them to very quickly stop streaming The Revolution - again, if it ever happens.
      3) For some reason I really don't get, right now China is becoming anti-game on mobile devices and since Twitch is used a lot for streaming game play, blocking a service used to promote game play does fit into their current plans.

    4. Re:Alternative Reason - Protectionism by hjf · · Score: 1

      For some reason I really don't get, right now China is becoming anti-game

      China knows its people. Asians are strange beings. Look at Japanese and Koreans. They become incredibly obsessed with things, to the point of dedicating every moment of their lives to that thing. Sometimes for good, when craftsmen make amazing things. Other times for bad, when kids waste their lives in internet cafes playing videogames.
      China relies on cheap labor. Having their workers play all night and come in tired to work won't do.
      Videogames are the new opium. And China has had a bit of a problem with opium in the past. They learned. Also they're pushing cheap graphics cards (opium) to the west for the same reason.

    5. Re:Alternative Reason - Protectionism by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Lol at your sig. Why shut them down? Our domestic companies dominate.

    6. Re:Alternative Reason - Protectionism by hjf · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure the asians were obsessed with things long before "socialism" was even a concept. Japan was never socialist. South Korea wasn't either. And both (especially the japanese) have invented A LOT of things.
      And let's not forget that the chinese were civilized when Europe was still barbaric.

    7. Re:Alternative Reason - Protectionism by Luthair · · Score: 1

      So far we haven't needed to - have most people even heard of the Alibaba, Panda.tv, or Baidu?

    8. Re:Alternative Reason - Protectionism by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Huya, Pandatv, Douyu are all alternatives to Twitch. They also have MUCH MUCH higher viewer levels than Twitch does. Even the casual streamer easily has a few hundred viewers, which on Twitch would be considered pretty good. The big time streamers have at least 100K viewers at any time. Any Chinese streamer trying to make a living on Twitch versus the alternative would be crazy.

      Chinese streaming numbers are generally considered to be padded.

  7. Re:Let China Isolate Itself by youngone · · Score: 1

    Thanks A/C, for completely misunderstanding why we trade with China.
    Here's a tip. The people who run your country (and mine) couldn't give a fat rat's ass if the Chinese government kills kittens in its spare time.
    It's not just the Chinese making money.

  8. Same China that was going to keep buying our chips by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    If we only hadn't of stood up to them on trade ?

    Or is this a different China that has a "What's mine is mine, what's yours we'll talk about, and do you dare complain" policy.

  9. Re: twitch this by TRUMP+IS+IDIOT+(.) · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's what Stormy said!

  10. Re:Whatever happened to... by saloomy · · Score: 1

    No doubt the likes of Weibo or Baidu are concocting a "me too" rip off of the Twitch platform, and in order to ensure its success the govt there helps local services by blocking competition. Welcome to a Communist regime, one step beyond socialism.

  11. Re:Whatever happened to... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

    It is logical to favour local internet developments of foreign. It is the sane thing to do, not neccesarily block but certainly deny them all government business but certainly if they want to block they should besides cunts like google offshore the income with claims of massive costs in foreign countries so they pay zero taxes.

    Pay no tax in a country, than why the fuck should they allow you business to operate there, especially an internet business. Honestly with the way those cunts like Google et al behave, they should be blocked in every country where they do not pay tax on the revenue generated there, fuck them.

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  12. Re: Let China Isolate Itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Never forget it was Bill Clinton who negotiated and signed the deal to allow China into the WTO...

    https://www.iatp.org/sites/default/files/Full_Text_of_Clintons_Speech_on_China_Trade_Bi.htm

  13. Re:Whatever happened to... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Twitch may be the damage here, and Chinese internet just routed around it.

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  14. Stand up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First they came for Facebook and I said nothing because my last name was not Zuckerf**k,
    Then they came for twitter and I said nothing because I'm not a twat,
    Then they came for twitch ...

  15. Re:Let China Isolate Itself by spth · · Score: 1

    I'd rather say that they tend to value human rights differently than they tend to be valued in the West.

    Let's consider the universal declaration of human rights.

    Surely, people in the West have for quite a while tended to consider the rights in articles 18 to 21 particularly important (though even in the west there is quite some difference - freedom of speech tends to be valued higher in the US than in Britain or Germany.

    On the other hand, people in China tend to value the rights in Articles 22 and 23 more (and are thus more willing to accept restriction to other rights, if they perceive them to be useful in ensuring the rights in 22 and 23).

    Of course some people would consider rights not explicitly contained in that declaration as human rights. An interesting example is the right to petition.It is known in many different cultures. It exists in most western cultures (e.g. first amendment in the US, similar provision in the EU and its members). It has a long history (at least medieval times in Europe, at least 500 BC in China). Still it seems this right is not considered that important in the West these days; I guess severly restricting or even taking away that right in a Western country would be possible. A Chinese government probably wouldn't survive making such an attempt.

    In the end human rights are never absolute; they always have to be interpreted and valued against each other, as there tend to be conflicts (made explicit by Article 29b - it even allows restrictions for "morality", "public order" and "welfare"). Different societies at different times held different opinions. And Article 30 is quite a strong restriction on all the rights.

  16. Re:Let China Isolate Itself by spth · · Score: 1

    Isolating China might have kept them weak. But as you can see by the example of North Korea that doesn't mean it would have resulted in a less authoritarian government. It would very likely have had much worse impact on the people of China than the actions of their current government.

    By now it seems too late anyway. Even if the West could agree on such a policy, few other countries would follow. And US+EU+a few minor countries would probably loose such that second cold war.

    The best option seems to be to continue trading, and hope for some of the Western values gaining a bit of a foothold in the minds of the Chinese population, resulting in slow changes in China (as is already happening for many years).

  17. Re:Cool by spth · · Score: 1

    American companies might be able to move production out of China. That means the Chinese factories will the produce for other companies (mostly Chinese, as they already do, a bit for other parts of the world). I don't think the US has the know-how or skills to reindustrialize within one year. At least not to today's standard. The US are still great in a few key industries today, but that's it.

  18. Re: Let China Isolate Itself by spth · · Score: 1

    If you refer to giving up freedom for security: I'd rather consider that convergent development, not the US and EU taking China as an example. The UK might still be leading there.

  19. Blocking info about Taiwan. by houghi · · Score: 1

    The Asian Games have Taiwan participating. They will want to block that. The result is that they block twitch as well.

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  20. Re:Let China Isolate Itself by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Isolating China would have been dumb but tit for tat laws regarding partnering with local corporations would have made sense all day long. Sadly, nobody even tried that as a means of getting them to change their policies.

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  21. stuck in the country by ennis99 · · Score: 1

    I did not know that Facebook, YouTube and Twitter were stuck in the country, their government is terribly authoritarian ____________________________________________________ https://www.minimilitia.mobi/ https://www.applock.ooo/ https://www.7zip.vip/