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Google Suppresses Memo Revealing Plans To Closely Track Search Users in China: The Intercept (theintercept.com)

Google bosses have forced employees to delete a confidential memo circulating inside the company that revealed explosive details about a plan to launch a censored search engine in China, The Intercept has learned. From the report: The memo, authored by a Google engineer who was asked to work on the project, disclosed that the search system, code-named Dragonfly, would require users to log in to perform searches, track their location -- and share the resulting history with a Chinese partner who would have "unilateral access" to the data.

The memo was shared earlier this month among a group of Google employees who have been organizing internal protests over the censored search system, which has been designed to remove content that China's authoritarian Communist Party regime views as sensitive, such as information about democracy, human rights and peaceful protest.

According to three sources familiar with the incident, Google leadership discovered the memo and were furious that secret details about the China censorship were being passed between employees who were not supposed to have any knowledge about it. Subsequently, Google human resources personnel emailed employees who were believed to have accessed or saved copies of the memo and ordered them to immediately delete it from their computers. Emails demanding deletion of the memo contained âoepixel trackersâ that notified human resource managers when their messages had been read, recipients determined.

132 comments

  1. Come On Google by zippo01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Man, google is really stepping in it hard as of late. http://www.foxnews.com/tech/20... They are turning into a company, that is easy to hate. They are becoming a close minded and censorship happy group, who think they know best, trying to shape the would. This will backfire and fail, if not from government regulation then by people. This also applies to You tube. The more you tighten your grip the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

    1. Re:Come On Google by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well when "do no evil" becomes "for the greater good" or whatever it is now, it shouldn't be a surprise.

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    2. Re:Come On Google by mlw4428 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is it Trump supports bitch about censorship? It's a private company. You don't have to use Google. Not a single thing they do are you required to use. What you're really mad at is that popular websites do not share your views and you cannot get enough fellow people, who share your views, to actually invest/use/popularize a community of your own...at least not without a lot of Russian bots to help fake traffic. The world doesn't share your views and you can at least acknowledge this by not using a word generally reserved for use when a government is actually doing the censorship or at least qualify that it is private, corporate censorship within its own properties not paid for by taxpayer dollars. But then again, maybe that plays too much against the victimhood ideology that Trump supporters seem to thrive on having.

    3. Re:Come On Google by blahplusplus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Man, google is really stepping in it hard as of late

      That's because you are all unaware all states are at war with their respective publics because they fear the internets potential to politically awaken the publics of the globe. See here by former national security advisor, this is just rich capitalist oligarchs and powers that be doing everything they can to maintain control over the public minds of the planet.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    4. Re:Come On Google by zippo01 · · Score: 3

      You make a lot of incorrect assumptions.

    5. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're just upset because the victimhood card used to be used exclusively by "progressives" and now right wingers have adopted their (admittedly effective) tactics.

    6. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's funny that that people in tech (and by extension largely on the left, politically) vehemently defend censorship by private corporations. This would not have even been a thing just three years ago. Now the shoe in on the other foot and they're great defenders of corporate rights.

    7. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free speech is more than a set of laws restricting the government; it is an ideal.

    8. Re:Come On Google by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2
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    9. Re:Come On Google by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would anyone be ok with censorship of any kind? Isn't the freedom of information important for everyone?

    10. Re:Come On Google by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      The new motto is "do good" iirc. Essentially meets requirements of your points to a tee.

    11. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that "More money for me." is the current motto.

    12. Re:Come On Google by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      It's funny that that people in tech (and by extension largely on the left, politically) vehemently defend censorship by private corporations. This would not have even been a thing just three years ago. Now the shoe in on the other foot and they're great defenders of corporate rights.

      You're pretty much brain damaged, the entire corporate world has got you and most of the public so distracted while they perfect manipulating your mind via algoritms and clickbait sjw outrage your freedoms are already infringed upon and gone away if you had been paying attention for the last 200 years...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    13. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's all have authoritative Google Asshole Shawn Willden, aka "Shillden", step forward, speak for the company, and tell us how closed minds and censorship are actually a Really Great Thing!

    14. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because private property is private. Applying your dumbass theory I could show up to your house and tell your children about how their mom bleaches her asshole in great detail.

    15. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      " vehemently defend censorship by private corporations. " - I thought you liked the free market? No? Conservatives change your tiny minds every 4 years anyway, now you're on the Trump wagon, next year it's back to deficit spending...

      If you weren't such unabridged liars the waking world might take you seriously instead of roasting marshmallows over the fire of your corpse, as we collectively do.

    16. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you addressed nothing that he said. Keep deflecting, Vlad.

    17. Re:Come On Google by lgw · · Score: 5, Funny

      The motto wasn't "do no evil", it was "don't, be evil". The comma was sometimes overlooked - typical small print from an advertising company.

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    18. Re:Come On Google by El+Cubano · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why would anyone be ok with censorship of any kind? Isn't the freedom of information important for everyone?

      You have this all wrong. This is not censorship. In fact, Google is being a role model for how to make information as free as it can possibly be. Through this partner arrangement, they are making all of the information about every search and every user accessing the tool in question fully, completely, and totally freely available to the Chinese government. The information does not get much freer than that.

      The folks at the NSA are jealous that they cannot have the same thing.

      In case anybody reading this is sarcasm impaired, this was meant to be sarcastic. Except for the part about the NSA being jealous; that is sadly true.

    19. Re:Come On Google by blahplusplus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " vehemently defend censorship by private corporations. " - I thought you liked the free market? No? Conservatives change your tiny minds every 4 years anyway, now you're on the Trump wagon, next year it's back to deficit spending...

      If you weren't such unabridged liars the waking world might take you seriously instead of roasting marshmallows over the fire of your corpse, as we collectively do.

      You haven't made any sense, what is it that you believe? The reality is the oligarchs and the rich are at war with regular people, and if you don't understand that you don't understand politics at all.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    20. Re:Come On Google by Solandri · · Score: 1

      So if some hacker steals your social security and credit card numbers and publishes it on the dark net, he's just fighting censorship because information wants to be free?

    21. Re:Come On Google by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Well when "do no evil" becomes "for the greater good"

      They're google not the Sandford Neighbourhod Watch Alliance.

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    22. Re:Come On Google by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      The folks at the NSA are jealous that they cannot have the same thing.

      https://wikileaks.org/google-i...

      https://wikileaks.org/Op-ed-Go...

    23. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was "don't do evil". Which is just a rephrase of "don't fuck the company" if you read it the right way.

    24. Re:Come On Google by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Google is a private company. China is not. It is a dictatorship, in spite of increases in economic freedoms in recent years.

      Free governments in the west can stoo their companies cold from assisting dictatorships, or allow or encourage it depending on policy. Probably better from a spy perspective to have Google in there.

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    25. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What is good for the syndicate is good for all."

    26. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's well past time to Ma Bell these mofos.

    27. Re:Come On Google by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're google not the Sandford Neighbourhod Watch Alliance.

      That's funny, the company I work for has it's own code of ethics. One of the key points is they will not work with, develop, or provide services or technology to governments that repress their own citizens by use of the state(i.e. police, courts, law) or will use technologies developed to repress people. It's not a surprise either, since nearly all the board members are from former communist countries. That code of ethics is a good example of being a "good corporate citizen" vs the current state of google where ethics can be put on hold as long as it's for something that can be justified, even if it's wrong.

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    28. Re:Come On Google by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Well those comma's are pretty hard to see when used at a 0.05 setting.

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    29. Re: Come On Google by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because private property is private. Applying your dumbass theory I could show up to your house and tell your children about how their mom bleaches her asshole in great detail.

      A company may be private, but private property doesn't translate into that if said company actively promotes it as a public square. Plenty of case law on that in Canada and US for example where the courts have ruled that protections of speech must be extended to private property if it's used for such or promoted as such.

      Is that house promoted as a public square? Nope. Is twitter, facebook, and google promoting their social media services as the public square? Yep. That's the difference.

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    30. Re:Come On Google by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      That's funny

      Thankyou. Hot fuzz jokes are always good.

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    31. Re:Come On Google by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      I submitted an "interesting" query to Google PopUp (when you hold down the home button and Google Something awakes.) It correctly transcribed the question, and then itself responded with a text query I'd never seen before, something like "Are you sure you want to search for this?" and waited.

      I pressed the button and got the answer I was looking for. I also think I was just added someone's "interesting people and sleepers" database, or at the minimum got some special brownie point attached to my account.

      Who-hoo!! Someone finally noticed me, I'm now a movie star!

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    32. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies have no rights. They exist for the service of society, nothing more.

    33. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could show up to your house and tell your children about how their mom bleaches her asshole in great detail.

      Hmm. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    34. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do gays bitch about cake-denial? It's a private company. You don't have to buy their cake. Not a single thing they bake are homosexuals required to buy. What you're really mad at is that normal people do not share your views

    35. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least you didn't call him a racist this time.. Glad to see you're working on your toxic rage.

    36. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything he said was bullshit so a one line reply is generous.

    37. Re:Come On Google by fox171171 · · Score: 1

      the current state of google where ethics can be put on hold as long as it's for something that can be justified, even if it's wrong.

      There's a reason they say "money is the root of all evil".

    38. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they must not be making any money, because that describes ALL countries.

    39. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh, god, it's almost fucking 2019 and Libtards are STILL going with the "Everybody who disagrees with me is a Russian bot". Fuck, what did your parents do to you when you were growing up to turn you into such easily programmed sheep?

    40. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell us which ISP you use that's maintained your email address for the last 30 years. Last I checked this was precisely nil.

      The problem with e-mail addresses is that they become the equivalent of SSNs as far as the government is concerned. Google is selling a publicly recognized e-mail platform and brand that people can jump on. A hiring manager looking at blahperson@ixinet.corp.ba won't work. They're a brand, just like Nike or Reebok shoes. People buy brands. 101.

    41. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not money itself ,
        It is âoe The love of moneyâ that is the root of all evil

    42. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do blacks complain about not being able to buy a house ?
        There are other houses

        Why do women complain about paying equity ?
        There are other jobs

      In a small town iof say 5000 people, there might only be enough community expenditures, to support one Bakery who makes wedding cakes,

        What if it was the owners of the only grocery store in town who wouldnâ(TM)t serve the gays.

      The gas station.

    43. Re:Come On Google by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      There's a reason they say "money is the root of all evil".

      Money isn't though, power is. Google has simply accumulated both. Ask yourself how well Venezuela is doing with a currency collapse, but the government continues to hold on due to the power they hold, especially against a disarmed population.

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    44. Re:Come On Google by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Well when "do no evil" becomes "for the greater good" or whatever it is now, it shouldn't be a surprise.

      You can do no wrong when God is on your side.

    45. Re: Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ?????

    46. Re:Come On Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Money isn't though, power is.

      Nah, power is amoral - neither good nor evil.

      If power is evil, well... KNOWLEDGE is a form of power, so that would imply having knowledge is a bad thing, and we should shut down the Internet, burn all the books, etc. and revert back to the stone age.

      Ask yourself how well Venezuela is doing with a currency collapse, but the government continues to hold on due to the power they hold, especially against a disarmed population.

      Nah, you ask yourself how did they get all that power in the first place: with MONEY (that had value back then, or they're using OTHER currencies that still have value today). Last I checked arms dealers aren't charities and soldiers don't work for free.

      Their own currency may have no value these days, but don't kid yourself that the Venezuelan government doesn't have the ability to buy stuff and pay off their soldiers (aka have money)

      You also have to ask yourself just WHY are they hanging on to their power? For power's sake? No, they want to keep their power so they can keep their riches and funnel whatever riches are left in the country to themselves (aka money, again money as in the ability to buy stuff, not keeping a particular currency which may lose its value)

      See, as said, power is neither good nor evil. Power simply is. Whether power is used for good or evil depends on the motive behind the wielder. Now, while not every money motive is evil, almost every evil has a money motive behind it. Why do you think whenever conservatives scream about how eeeeeeevil the left are, they bring up how much money is given to the Dems, or how all the climate scientists are funded, etc?

      The psychopath who does evil for the sake of evil is the exception, not the rule.

      Can't say the same for good though. There are many reasons to do good besides money, many of which may even hurt a person/organization's ability to make money.

    47. Re:Come On Google by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Would that be like, be good at being evil, be the best evil you can be. It really feels like they are developing the environment for total control and monitoring in China for deployment across the globe, hence delete this memo, the idea so funny, delete this memo, make it disappear from history, how many immediately copied it, probably read it for the first time as well.

      Google be good at being evil (they just leave out the last part). If you don't https://duckduckgo.com/?q=duck..., then you are part of the problem. You just know Google is developing it for global deployment, their political inclinations to date totally prove that, don't even try to pretend otherwise. Everywhere their search touches is now cooked up, YouTube, Google Earth, Search, all of it subject to the wills of corporate at Alphabet, why would the government of China be stupid enough to trust Google and the US government to control all searches in China, the idea is laughable. Google will have to show them more and more details to prove validity and lack of US government controls and by then will, why would the Government of China bother with Google, they have all the information now, they don't need Google. Greed driven stupidity is always evil.

      Kind of funny to think of the Government of China actively stringing along Google with the big carrot of infinite profit from a billion Chinese people. Google wake up you fucking pack of morons, you are an American company and the government of America is telling the government of China, you will be dominated in every way or you will be attacked in every possible way, you seriously want to sell US government controlled, internet controls into China, you seriously think it will work, don't be that silly but keep trying I am sure sales will be fantastic, yep, uh huh, for sure ;D.

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    48. Re:Come On Google by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Actually no. This is far worse.

      "Do no evil" is an injunction against action. "Do good" is compelling to act in a certain way. When considered within legal framework, as rules should be, these are two doctrinal polar opposites.

      Former is the cornerstone of what is considered modern liberal justice system, where "everything that isn't specifically forbidden is allowed, and authority cannot dictate how you must act".

      Such as "do no evil".

      Latter is the cornerstone of illiberal systems, like one that existed in Soviet Union. "Everything that isn't allowed is forbidden, and you're required to act in a way dictated by the authority".

      Such as "do good".

      It is a sign of a radical change in the whole model of thinking of company leadership to the polar opposite of what they wanted to represent when they started.

  2. Incorrect Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The correct title should be; Google's Attempt to suppress memo fails with massive Streisand effect.

    1. Re:Incorrect Title by swillden · · Score: 1

      The correct title should be; Google's Attempt to suppress memo fails with massive Streisand effect.

      True. But something to consider: You see from this how good Google is at suppressing information that outrages its employees. Add to that the fact that Google's employees include tens of thousands of the hardest-core geeks there are, who tend to hold the same sorts of positions on things as slashdotters. Then consider how likely it is that Google could keep its employees silent about all of the abuses that so many assume they must be guilty of. Many corporations could do it, but Google is not among them.

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    2. Re:Incorrect Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      doesn't that depend on if we actually get to see the memo. Maybe it is so damming that simply preventing us from seeing it is: Mission Accomplished?

    3. Re:Incorrect Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, I didn't completely understand that comment. Particularly, the last sentence "Many corporations could do it, but Google is not among them" doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the comment.

    4. Re:Incorrect Title by swillden · · Score: 1

      Many corporations could keep their employees silent about abuses, but Google is not among them.

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  3. Taste of their own medicine by Dunkirk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Emails demanding deletion of the memo contained "pixel trackers" that notified human resource managers when their messages had been read, recipients determined.

    How's it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?

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    1. Re:Taste of their own medicine by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was my reaction too. They're on record tracking everything and anything they can get their hands on, regardless of user concent through their analytics platforms and such.

      "Rules for thee but not for me" is a standard litmus test of a tyrant.

    2. Re:Taste of their own medicine by larryjoe · · Score: 2

      > Emails demanding deletion of the memo contained "pixel trackers" that notified human resource managers when their messages had been read, recipients determined.

      How's it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?

      So, the Google employees that disabled auto loading/rendering of inline pictures should have plausible deniability in saying that they never read the HR message.

      Surreptitiously monitoring employees is creepy.
      Intentionally censoring searches is contemptible.
      Ratting out users is collaboration.

  4. These days, Google is evil, plain and simple by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There really is nothing more to add.

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    1. Re:These days, Google is evil, plain and simple by commodore64_love · · Score: 3

      It truly is sad when I trust Microsoft Outlook.com with my emails more than I do Gmail.com. (It used to be opposite.) "Do no evil" is now "For the greater good."

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    2. Re:These days, Google is evil, plain and simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They've been "evil" ever since they decided to sell customer profiled ads. Once you cross that line, you can't go back. After that, it's a continual "we could make a little bit more per ad if we just had a little more specific profiles". Sooner or later, you just want to know everything about everyone, to the point that you are willing to invent driverless cars just so you can know where people go. Eventually someone with a few billion new customers comes along as long as they can't look up subversive things like pr0n, human rights, or facts about the past.

    3. Re: These days, Google is evil, plain and simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the greater greed

    4. Re:These days, Google is evil, plain and simple by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It truly is sad when I trust Microsoft Outlook.com with my emails more than I do Gmail.com.

      That is truly sad, because it's ignorant. Both of them are arms of the intelligence gathering community, and trusting either one is ridiculous.

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  5. Google has jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google Closely Tracks Employees Reading Memo Which Demands Deletion of Memo Revealing Plans To Closely Track Search Users in China

    Do no evil. Those days are behind us, captain.

    1. Re:Google has jumped the shark by careysub · · Score: 1

      It is now: Do Know Evil!

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  6. Shoulda Used GMail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GMail renders pixel trackers useless.

    1. Re:Shoulda Used GMail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you use their web client.
      Or any other client that renders images automatically (a stupid thing to do imho).

    2. Re:Shoulda Used GMail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you use their web client.
      Or any other client that renders images automatically (a stupid thing to do imho).

      Most people only view email in plain text though.

  7. And Google wonders why it's got problems by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Too pure to help shape the DoD drone program so that AI might have "don't be evil" coded into its framework, but not too pure to help the PRC identify, track and persecute people out of favor with the regime.

    This isn't hypocrisy on the level of "pastor caught in bed with the church secretary one time." This is hypocrisy along the lines of "pastor caught running a child sex trafficking network."

    1. Re:And Google wonders why it's got problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Google never had any "don't be evil" coded into anything, ever.

      They are just another corporation looking to make a profit any way it can. They'd harvest their employees organs if they could (and they probably do in China).

      They will happily help China run their internment camps for Muslims, the same way IBM happily helped Hitler organize the Holocaust.

      And nothing google does will ever prevent them from contributing to the Linux Kernel, because the CoC doesn't apply to corporations.

    2. Re:And Google wonders why it's got problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think about your comment. I know that you are probably military. I am retired military.

      What is the drone program? It's a tool used by the people at the very top to go after specific individuals they want dead. In the process of this, many others die. To me, while it may be better than having many more thousands die, I trust those people at the top so little that I think it might actually be worse they can kill specific people. If we're going after specific people, whatever happened to a trial first?

  8. Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they're evil now?

  9. Two internets - better get in now by magarity · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does anyone remember the story earlier this morning: Schmidt predicting a second internet run by China. Obviously the time to get in on the action is now, and now is a bit too late. Google is just playing catch-up.

    1. Re:Two internets - better get in now by OYAHHH · · Score: 2

      A second Internet run by China? Hahahahaha. Not laughing at you magarity but rather the stupidity of the concept of China running an Internet.

      I think I would be fairly safe saying that anything run by the Chinese that connects computers together will be in name only an "Internet."

      China just wants a socialist run version of AOL. And if you think AOL stunk just wait until Chinese bureaucrats put their loving touch on the system.

      What a joke....

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    2. Re:Two internets - better get in now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China is NOT SOCIALIST.

      China is a dictatorial capitalist oligarchy.

      There is NOTHING socialist about China today. China has worse income inequality than the United States.

  10. Pixel trackers by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    Emails demanding deletion of the memo contained pixel trackers that notified human resource managers when their messages had been read, recipients determined.

    I thought most mail applications blocked pixel trackers. And Gmail tends to download images from emails and re-host them, which makes pixel trackers useless. Or maybe Google disables the feature for their own trackers? What email program do Google employees use?

    (P.S. to Slashdot editors - the summary has unicode quotation marks that don't work in Slashdot.)

    1. Re:Pixel trackers by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Google's email service doesn't block google's pixel trackers?

      I am shocked, I say, shocked! Well, actually I am not all that shocked.

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    2. Re:Pixel trackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read your message as "text only" and get rid of image links that can track you.

  11. I'm Certain You Have It Wrong by tungstencoil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm certain that you have it wrong.

    You see, if Google doesn't do this, someone will. So you have it wrong.

    You see, if Google does this, then Google can help shape future open communication and equality. So you have it wrong.

    You see, then Google gets to decide bits and pieces to influence. Google only has The Good in mind. So you have it wrong.

    You see, Google is good. They understand this, and that they - and only they - are responsible for ensuring freedom for the Chinese. If they fail, all will be lost. So you have it wrong.

    You see, Google cares. You must understand this about them, and that they are in the unique position to help. Only by censoring data access, censoring freedom, and reporting user actions, can they enforce freedom.

    So you have it wrong.

    1. Re: I'm Certain You Have It Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what? I think I might have it wrong.

    2. Re:I'm Certain You Have It Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that was sarcasm.
      If not, your entire argument hinges on the wealthy shareholders of Google who want the share price to go up at any cost. Google corporatizing youtube, ramping up invasive ads on google and Youtube, making Android more difficult to work with requiring more paid technical assistance, making Android code more obfuscated, complex and locked into their way of defining interfaces in UI's, less backwards compatible (a big one!!) requiring more updates and more maintenance generally. So so many more guys. The Chinese have the money so they get their influence too.

      This is the low hanging fruit that shareholders go for. This is what happens when a company sells out and goes public, and why Elon Musk wanted to buy back Tesla. The shareholders run the company and they just want money at any cost. The quick buck is all about the quick collapse of what was a perfectly run company.

    3. Re:I'm Certain You Have It Wrong by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I think it's safe to say that I've now received my recommended dosage of dystopia for the day.

    4. Re:I'm Certain You Have It Wrong by Mr307 · · Score: 2

      Obligatory CS Lewis quote:

      "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

    5. Re:I'm Certain You Have It Wrong by careysub · · Score: 1

      ... The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated,,,

      On present evidence, this is just wishful thinking on C.S. Lewis's part.

      --
      Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
    6. Re: I'm Certain You Have It Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wtf mod "interesting?" this post was hilarious, biting dry sarcasm... I'm jelly I couldn't have written this.

    7. Re:I'm Certain You Have It Wrong by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.

      Well, aren't we fortunate to have both now.

      Enjoy yourself! (It's Later than You Think)

    8. Re:I'm Certain You Have It Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, war is peace. yep, arrived.

  12. Google's new motto: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't be evil, be SUPER EVIL

  13. chums by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Totalitarians of a feather flock together.

  14. Well enough is enough by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1, Interesting

    All of the stuff about google has finally made me think things over. I know that google(youtube also) search results are bias when in the political ideology area. It is especially apparent in youtube search results for things like #WalkAway. But I have just navigated through the old links getting top placement to find the newer stuff.

    Anyway I digress, I have checked out other search providers and have decided to start using DuckDuckGo more.
    I am a creature of habit so we will see how things work out.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re:Well enough is enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      using DDG more?

      DDG is a better way to google than google.

      search stuff on google !g
      shit to buy search !a
      like walmart shirts !walmart

      Bash searches are way better than google.

      like google images !gi
      like google shopping !gs
      heard the word !gn

      I never google without going thru my handy DDG search bar.

      like wiki stuff !w

      After all, your hands are already on the keyboard typing. Bash-letter gets you to your destination faster

  15. Pichai needs to go by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The company has gone from do no evil, to join the evil.
    If they continue down this path, they will become worthless.

    --
    I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    1. Re:Pichai needs to go by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      I don't know about evil. Google is a corporation that has reached critical mass (Size, Money, Power).

      Internally they feel that they are the sharpest tacks in the box. That their opinions and beliefs are beyond reproach. And thus it is perfectly fine for them to guide(rule) the lives of those less enlightened.
      On a business side they are as always a marketing company that uses tech as a tool. They are currently driven by one thing and one thing only their stock price and making money. But that is how it should be. The problem comes up because they make money by collecting and selling information on the public. Which often is not in the best interest of the public. But the information is what their customers wish to buy. So they have a fine line to walk and are not always successful.

      Just my 2 cents ;)

    2. Re:Pichai needs to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The company has gone from do no evil, to join the evil.
      If they continue down this path, they will become worthless.

      FTFY: if they continue down this path, they will go from "join the evil" to "be the evil".

    3. Re:Pichai needs to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company has gone from do no evil, to join the evil.

      Don't do evil. Be it.

  16. Do No Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless it's China.

  17. Google is now firmly in the "do not trust" basket by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 0

    ...to paraphrase the presidential candidate for whom Google's Eric Schmidt apparently worked, as evidenced by the photo of Schmidt on election night in the Javitz center wearing a "STAFF" badge, probably convinced there was no reason to hide too much because she was going to win for sure: https://freebeacon.com/politic...

    That said I still trust Google for code searches, for now.

  18. Rapidly increasing toxicity of Google's brand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Attempted suppression is evidence Google knows full well what it's doing is wrong and yet they persist because they are scum.

  19. Remember "Do No Evil" by Bodhammer · · Score: 0

    Fuck you Google, you are fascists.

    --
    "I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
  20. China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah. Because they DO NOT AT ALL try to closely track everyone else in some way.

  21. unlimited evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All evil and greed all the time

  22. Re:Nazi faggot shit need not apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good post Chang, your social credit score has been updated and your family will be now allowed one gallon of Clean Water (tm) per day.

  23. Google being Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or they can just follow other search engine like Baidu/Bing/Yahoo that operates in China. Or is that too hard for Google to do?

  24. Re: Nazi faggot shit need not apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am seeing more and more statements from leftists threatening to murder or jail and torture people they disagree with. History repeats itself.

  25. "universally accessible and useful" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google's mission statement:

    Our mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful.

    Limiting their search results in order to please the Chinese government doesn't help make the world's information become "universally accessible and useful".

    Neither does suppressing a memo, which states that Google is helping the Chinese government find dissidents who want to spread information that the Chinese government doesn't want known.

    They've already dumped the "Don't be evil" motto. I wonder if they'll also change their mission statement.

  26. Golden Rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, you know the Golden Rule: He who has the gold (for example, China) makes the rules.

  27. So what are you gonna do about it? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Google is still small potatoes compared to Goldman Sachs, Monsato, Amazon, Wal-Mart... I'll stop here.

    I don't see much point in getting worried over companies being evil if we're not going to do anything to stop them from being evil. At the end of the day we elect the same charismatic people who accept corporate money left and right.

    What I'd really like to see is more movements like this that use the "No corporate PAC money" as a litmus test. You can't serve two masters. But they haven't gotten a lot of traction and I don't know of any Republican equivalent.

    --
    Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
    1. Re:So what are you gonna do about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is still small potatoes compared to Goldman Sachs, Monsato, Amazon, Wal-Mart... I'll stop here.

      I don't see much point in getting worried over companies being evil if we're not going to do anything to stop them from being evil. At the end of the day we elect the same charismatic people who accept corporate money left and right.

      What I'd really like to see is more movements like this that use the "No corporate PAC money" as a litmus test. You can't serve two masters. But they haven't gotten a lot of traction and I don't know of any Republican equivalent.

      I'm starting my own militia.

    2. Re:So what are you gonna do about it? by weilawei · · Score: 1

      Google is in a position to rank information and present it as they see fit. Now, that doesn't imply they are presenting deliberately ideologically biased results, but it does mean they are in a position of power. Power can, and often is, abused.

      This fact alone warrants continued scrutiny and critical assessment of their value to us versus the potential or actual costs their actions might cause.

  28. Google tracks users, the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who in the internet world doesn't know Google is all about tracking users??? Really? If your fine with Google looking over everything you do, that's fine. If your not, then you probably should not use anything with Google name on it.

    1. Re:Google tracks users, the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who in the English speaking world doesn't know that your != you're??? Really?

  29. I don't care ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 0

    ... because I don't live in China.

    That sovereign country can make all the rules it wants.

    Google is in the business of make money.

    They can tailor their product to comply with local laws and regulations to do so.

    Where's the beef?

    --
    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    1. Re: I don't care ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the beef is that we live in a globalized world and believe it or not the sphere we live on is dependent on everyone not these 19th century nation-states.

      TIMECUBE IS REAL you are educated stupid.

      Only Michael Pence can save us all

      Loadstar loadstar loadstar

    2. Re:I don't care ... by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      That sovereign country can make all the rules it wants.

      Google is in the business of make money.

      Then Google can move to China and become a proper Chinese-owned & -based company.

      Google should be blacklisted from any US government contracts because they are a national security risk, as they are open to blackmail over their Chinese market access by the Chinese government. Many individuals and businesses have lost the privilege of bidding on US government contracts for far, far less.

      Tell your congresscritters to ban Google from government contracts if it works with oppressive regimes like China if they want your votes for the midterms.

      Strat

      --
      Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
    3. Re:I don't care ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Nah.

      I'm not qualified to tell Google how to run its business and I don't have a stake in the whole "national security" bullshit.

      Capitalism trumps nationalism.

      As a shareholder, I'm interested in asymptotic gains over a period of time measured in nanoseconds.

      If you're not talking money, you're not talking to me.

      --
      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  30. Re: Nazi faggot shit need not apply by retchdog · · Score: 1

    dude, everyone does that. it's just what uneducated fucks of any stripe do instead of talking.

    --
    "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
  31. Re:true colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... what are some of these people and groups you speak of?

  32. Lol. Don't BE evil (Microsoft) by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The motto was "don't be evil".

    Evil originally meant, primarily, Microsoft. Don't be Microsoft.

  33. Eurasia has always been at war with... by Grog6 · · Score: 2

    We are now living 1984; thanks to all the elitist assholes at IEEE I told about this two decades ago.

    They sold us for pocket change; Facebook is only the public face of it.

    When Trump declares martial law, you'll know why they sold all that ammo during Obama's term.

    "He's gonna take our Guns!!" No, Putins going to get you to fight his war.

    No Russian troops need to be involved; it's not like Trump's minions are going to be discerning on who they shoot; every kill is an American, just like the civil war; Russia wins whoever loses.

    We're so fucked.

    --
    Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
    1. Re:Eurasia has always been at war with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paranoid much?

  34. Re: Nazi faggot shit need not apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dude, everyone does that. it's just what uneducated fucks of any stripe do instead of talking.

    When college professors chime in wanting to do violence towards anyone not left-wing enough, we cant blame ignorance anymore.

  35. Search data is a munition in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Search data is a munition in China. Google is just providing the guns and bullets. They aren't pulling the trigger, so that means it is fine. Right?

    Does Google know that religion has been outlawed in China and that Uighur families are being split apart there? Their parents, about 1 million, have been sent to internment camps.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/...

    The orphanages are the most recent manifestation of Beijingâ(TM)s efforts to systematically distance young Muslims in Xinjiang from their families and culture. Uighurs fear such efforts are erasing their ethnic identity, one child at a time.

  36. Re:Google is now firmly in the "do not trust" bask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was two years ago. How the hell does this not make the mainstream news, or even third tier tech news sites? Why do we have to go to far right-wing sources to know what's going on in the DNC?

    The answers are obvious I know, but it still catches me offguard what rich, lying, hiding, colluding, sacks of shit are out there. People aren't mad Trump won. People are mad because people like this guy wants everyone to be miserable because his corrupt evil plan didn't work.

  37. Re:Luckyo is a retarded plastic-eater though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This comment seems fine, until you consider it comes from a faggot liar who literally claims "plastics" are "non-toxic" by definition like some kind of industry retard. Your carcass will be full of the stuff when I cut you open, fish.

    Nonsense, plastic is healthy and delicious. Are you dumb?

  38. An American ad company by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Helping communist China do what communist nations do.
    For better branding in a Communist nation that will always only trust its own Communist services?

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  39. Google's choice by hdyoung · · Score: 1

    Sounds like Google is serious about working with the Chinese government. On the other hand. they put the kibosh on a project to adapt their AI to U.S. military needs. As a U.S. citizen, this looks bad. Really, really, really bad.

    On the other hand, it's been pointed out that Google could very well be collaborating with the U.S. government on various projects, but doing it quietly through shell companies, or maybe within the company but with better secrecy controls than they are applying to this poorly thought-out Chinese experiment. Who are they kidding? They really think that China is going to give them more than an infinitesimal slice of the Chinese search market? I don't see an endgame that goes well for Google here.

  40. Duck Duck Go. by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Seems to work pretty well.

  41. A Teaching Moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This comment seems fine, until you consider it comes from

    Ad hominem would like to have a word with you, ma'am.