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Mosquitoes Genetically Modified To Crash Species That Spreads Malaria (npr.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NPR: For the first time, scientists have demonstrated that a controversial new kind of genetic engineering can rapidly spread a self-destructive genetic modification through a complex species. The scientists used the revolutionary gene-editing tool known as CRISPR to engineer mosquitoes with a "gene drive," which rapidly transmitted a sterilizing mutation through other members of the mosquito's species. After mosquitoes carrying the mutation were released into cages filled with unmodified mosquitoes in a high-security basement laboratory in London, virtually all of the insects were wiped out, according to a report in Nature Biotechnology. The mosquitoes were created in the hopes of using them as a potent new weapon in the long, frustrating fight against malaria. Malaria remains one of the world's deadliest diseases, killing more than 400,000 people every year, mostly children younger than 5 years old. What's encouraging is that the mosquitos reportedly did not appear to further mutate in a way that would diminish the effectiveness of the engineered mutation. "But the researchers stressed that many years of additional research are needed to further test the safety and effectiveness of the approach before anyone attempts to release these mosquitos or any other organisms created this way into the wild," reports NPR.

248 comments

  1. Why not just introduce another species to eat them by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Funny

    It worked well with cane toads in Australia.

    They even provide entertainment for the locals, swerving their cars all over the road to see how many they can pop.

  2. Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I am not comfortable with this, and feel that the mosquitos arenâ(TM)t just diesease control, but instead a test to rid the world of what the elites consider undesirables.

    1. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's safe to assume the scientists behind this are genuinely interested in saving lives. I think it's also safe to say that the technology, once developed, will be repurposed by someone else (maybe neo-Nazis) to destroy lives.

    2. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

      If you render someone sterile, you're not destroying lives, only the potential of life.

      It's sort of a like a reverse Weeping Angel from Dr. Who.

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    3. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      I think it's safe to assume the scientists behind this are genuinely interested in saving lives. I think it's also safe to say that the technology, once developed, will be repurposed by someone else (maybe neo-Nazis) to destroy lives.

      Neo-nazis?

      Given the world's history, it's more likely to be corrupted by totalitarian leftist (but I repeat myself...) Communists/Socialists in the name of "progress".

    4. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you render someone sterile, you're not destroying lives, only the potential of life.

      It's sort of a like a reverse Weeping Angel from Dr. Who.

      We could start by sterilizing all the American blacks and those fucking pit bull dogs they so cherish.

      Even PETA openly supports that second option.

    5. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      The whites are quite keen on those dogs, too.

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    6. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      History is filled with far more facisist totalitarian despotism attributed to extreme conservatism, than liberalism. There are exceptions however.

    7. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The whites are quite keen on those dogs, too.

      I don't understand the desire to own an animal that is so much more likely (than all the other choices) to seriously harm/kill another person and create massive liability for yourself. It's with good reason that insurance companies (homeowners) frequently cancel coverage if they find out there is a pit bull and/or a few other breeds. If you are concerned about home defense, get a pump-action shotgun.

      The vast majority of all US dog bite cases are caused by pit bulls, rottweilers, and german shepards. Pit bulls alone cause roughly half of cases that happen off of the owner's property.

      The reason even PETA wants to see the breed go extinct is because a very large number of them wind up in pounds and have no quality of life before being euthanized. So far as I know, this is the only time they have ever advocated seeing animals die out. That's an amazing statement coming from people who sometimes say things like "milk is rape, meat is murder".

    8. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If you were lactose intolerant, you'd say milk is rape, too.

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    9. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand the desire to own an animal that is so much more likely (than all the other choices) to seriously harm/kill another person and create massive liability for yourself.

      You would understand if you had a lawn.

    10. Re: Like hitler but mosquitos instead of Jews by sarren1901 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, most of history is not liberal or conservative. Most would be monarchs and dictators. Even before city states, you would have tribal leaders.

      The only thing that has really changed is our technology has advanced rather abruptly in the last 200 years.

      It will be really curious to see where we are in another 200 years.

      Totalitarian leftist sound about right though. China is the totalitarian left. The US is significantly farther to the right but just as totalitarian.

      Both leftist and rightist are quite okay with being totalitarians. Like most people, they think they are right-minded and have all the answers.

      Liberals, or liberty-focused would lean more toward anarchy then authoritarianism (totalitarian).

      But please, feel free to think China (super liberals, communist right?) are the way to be. Rather live in USA or Europe any day.

  3. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> Why not just introduce another species to eat them.

    Skinner: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.
    Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
    Skinner: No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
    Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
    Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
    Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
    Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

  4. Caution by techdolphin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I hate mosquitoes, I would suggest caution. Mosquitoes are important in the food chain. If one species of mosquitoes are wiped out, would other insects fill the void? We need to think carefully about the ramifications of this. Of course, reducing the damage and death caused by malaria would be highly beneficial.

    1. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, you sound like every compliance, information security, or risk consultant idiot out there.

      Well, you see, this is either good or bad but I have no opinion on it, and I consider this a successful meeting.

    2. Re:Caution by youngone · · Score: 1

      You're worrying about the wrong thing.
      The real problem will be the giant mosquitos they will wind up breeding that will murder everyone.
      I saw it in this documentary.

    3. Re:Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. You don't want to wipe mosquitos out you want to wipe out the malaria-carrying ones. As demonstrated we can affect the genotype, what if we used that to deliver a malaria-repressing therapy instead of sterilizing them?

    4. Re:Caution by js290 · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We must engineer a way to displace the blood-sucking kind of mosquitoes with varieties that do not suck blood at all.

      Make the non-blood-sucking females more desirable as mates or something.

    6. Re: Caution by Cipheron · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, no, it's a perfectly sensible thing to worry about. For example in Communist China, Mao encouraged everyone to wipe out sparrows because sparrows are a filthy nuisance and they eat crop seeds. So they did that, a government-driven program to eliminate sparrows. Yay, no more sparrows mucking the place up. Except, it turned out that sparrow ate a lot more insects than they did seeds, and after that China started to be beset with locust plagues which actually did wreck agriculture and millions starved to death. They then had to go over to Russia and buy sparrows to breed up and release in China to replace them.

      Food chains are in fact pretty delicate things.

    7. Re: Caution by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

      ... Food chains are in fact pretty delicate things.

      I think flexibility and adaptability could be key. Picture, for example, CRISPR modifications that inadvertently kick humanity down a few rungs on the food chain. Enough to make life "interesting".

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    8. Re:Caution by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      We must engineer a way to displace the blood-sucking kind of mosquitoes with varieties that do not suck blood at all.

      Make the non-blood-sucking females more desirable as mates or something.

      Soooo. Something that prefers sucking mosquito dick to human blood? Splice in a little Pr0n-star DNA? Nympho-squitoes? Mostormyquitos? Bring your big 'ol stinger over here daddy and get some dis. Uh-huh, you know you want it.

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    9. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This just demonstrates you have little to no idea how fragile food webs actually are, like most people.

    10. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Humans are the masters of fucking things up! I am sure this ploy to wipe out mosquitoes will have long term ramifications and just as many stupid humans that they are trying to save will die as a result.

    11. Re:Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, this is an interesting point. how does the human-crispr-genedrive effect the fitness functions of evolution? When humans target everything in sight; isn't a question of time until the species start to feel an evolutionary pressure to evolve faster than we can kill them?

      ironically, killing off intelligent people working on gene drives, suddenly becomes an evolutionary advantage to a species.... ;)

    12. Re: Caution by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not that simple. There is a huge insects decline everywhere, mostly in developed countries, except mosquitoes (they don't rely much on other insects, and love human proximity). In countries where malaria is a problem, the idea is to get rid of only one (maybe a couple of) mosquito breed(s), the ones that transmit the disease. That shouldn't have an important impact on the ecosystem there.

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    13. Re: Caution by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For example in Communist China, Mao encouraged everyone to wipe out sparrows

      This is mostly a myth. Mao did indeed order that, but the campaign to "wipe out" the sparrows mostly involved banging pots and waving flags. The theory was that the sparrows would be so frightened that they would die of heart attacks. Does that sound plausible to you? Only a negligible number of sparrows were killed, and although there was a famine, it had nothing to do with sparrows.

    14. Re: Caution by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Mao encouraged everyone to wipe out sparrows (...)

      Not only sparrows, mosquitoes too... (RTFWA). And indeed eliminating sparrows happened to be a bad idea. But they said nothing about mosquitoes ... "The four pests to be eliminated were rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows. The extermination of sparrows resulted in severe ecological imbalance". So, wiping out mosquitoes was maybe a good idea.

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    15. Re:Caution by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      A 4.6 / 10 "documentary"... must be good!

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    16. Re: Caution by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Mosquitoes are not a natural part of many food chains. For instance, before the arrival of Europeans, there were no mosquitoes in Hawaii. Same for many other islands in Polynesia.

      If the mosquitoes in Hawaii were wiped out, it would be restoring the food chain to its more natural state, and would likely help native species against invaders.

    17. Re:Caution by bongey · · Score: 2

      Actually no, removing mosquitoes from earth would not harm any other species. I cannot find the source at the moment but the gist of it is mosquitoes do far more harm and there are plenty of other bugs to make up any loss of a food source. It is the only species that has been shown removing mosquitoes hurts nothing.

    18. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mosquitos aren't actually important in the food chain at all

    19. Re: Caution by bradley13 · · Score: 2

      Actually no. I've read a couple of articles by biologists, who are convinced that mosquitoes could disappear and not be missed. Anything that eats them also eats lots of other insects.

      Well, OK, the malaria parasite would miss them...

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    20. Re:Caution by jouassou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, people have thought carefully about the ramifications. Firstly, note that only ~200/3500 mosquito species actually target humans. Probably, not even all these 200 human-biting mosquito types carry malaria, and not all of those carrying malaria have that high risk of transmission. If you drive the specific malaria-carrying human-biting mosquitoes extinct, it's not unlikely that other mosquito species will naturally fill their void, and that most predators will happily eat other mosquitoes too. We could even help them on their way, by releasing "safe mosquitos" in the same regions where we release "sterilized mosquitos".

      Secondly, note that for many species, mosquitoes are not as large a part of their diet as people think, it's more of an opportunistic food source since they're slow and stupid. For instance, while many species of bats eat a lot of mosquitoes, it only constitutes ~2% of their food, since moths are larger and more nutritious.

      Finally, it's estimated that malaria has killed roughly half of all people that ever lived. And that's just malaria; the same mosquitos tend to spread dengue fever, yellow fever, Japanese encephalitis, Rift Valley fever, Chikungunya virus, West Nile virus, and so on. We should also ask how much damage to specific ecosystems we are willing to accept to save a ridiculous number of human lives.

    21. Re:Caution by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      While I hate mosquitoes, I would suggest caution. Mosquitoes are important in the food chain. If one species of mosquitoes are wiped out, would other insects fill the void? We need to think carefully about the ramifications of this. Of course, reducing the damage and death caused by malaria would be highly beneficial.

      It is inconclusive at the moment what long term effect will be, this is something they have done studies on before though.

      Mosquitos (and more often their larvae) ARE major source foods for a lot of species- but nothing eats only mosquitos. In areas where mosquitos have been wiped out by chemical means, there was no noticed damage to the rest of the food chain due to no mosquitos as food. (this wasn't long term studies though because Mosquitos always return eventually).

      In studies that have been done, it isn't believed wiping out mosquitos will endanger any other species- but we can't be sure and local studies have not been long term.

      There is a good chance that wiping out only dangerous species of mosquitos- or perhaps only species that prefer human hosts will be perfectly safe for food chains.

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    22. Re:Caution by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 1

      This argument comes up all the time. Are there other biting, annoying, disease carrying insects that are as prevalent as mosquitoes? When I'm sitting outside, mosquitoes are the only things that come bite me. Are you saying some other insect will evolve specifically to draw blood from humans where no other existed?

      Mosquitoes should all die. Mankind will take our chances.

    23. Re: Caution by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 1

      Agree 100%. They've yet to find any animal or species that eats mosquitoes exclusively. Let's wipe out all blood sucking/biting mosquitoes.

    24. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Food chains are in fact pretty delicate things.

      I think flexibility and adaptability could be key. Picture, for example, CRISPR modifications that inadvertently kick humanity down a few rungs on the food chain. Enough to make life "interesting".

      That would definitely get rid of all these fatasses and old people all over America. In fact the fat ones would probably be targeted first for sheer caloric value. The old people are probably tough and stringy.

      Health care costs would definitely go down, so at least there's that. Also on the plus side, there is a strong overlap between those who can't understand/implement the whole "calories in vs. calories burned" idea and those who happen to be idiots.

    25. Re:Caution by DRJlaw · · Score: 2

      While I hate mosquitoes, I would suggest caution. Mosquitoes are important in the food chain. If one species of mosquitoes are wiped out, would other insects fill the void? We need to think carefully about the ramifications of this. Of course, reducing the damage and death caused by malaria would be highly beneficial.

      This is what I love about slashdot. Someone comes up with a question in less than 15 minutes. They are so sure that the question has not been tought of or asked, even by people who have been working on a problem for years, sometimes decades, that they do not even bother to search to see whether the question has been asked and answered.

      In less than the time that it to you to type your "caution" you could have found an answer in the first page of Google search results, amongst many.

    26. Re: Caution by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Just because a species isn't native to a region doesn't mean that its removal after it's had hundreds of years to become part of the ecosystem won't have an impact.

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    27. Re:Caution by Raenex · · Score: 2

      Improving living conditions and modernization has led to population growth declines across the world. What's scarier is that instead of being happy with this outcome, the banking class is in a panic because the current system depends on exponential growth. They've even been so stupid as to think they're going to solve growth problems in the developed world by mass importing people from Africa.

    28. Re:Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pedantic: ticks will also come and bite you, but (fortunately) they cannot fly. Yet.

    29. Re:Caution by flink · · Score: 1

      While I hate mosquitoes, I would suggest caution. Mosquitoes are important in the food chain. If one species of mosquitoes are wiped out, would other insects fill the void? We need to think carefully about the ramifications of this. Of course, reducing the damage and death caused by malaria would be highly beneficial.

      We obliterate species casually and without much thought all the time for no better reason than we want to clear some forest for lumber, or drain a swamp for a new mall, or demolish a mountain for some minerals. In this instance we'd be doing it deliberately to a few species in a genus that has thousands of members and which is not crucial to any food chain as far as we can discern, and we'd be saving millions of human lives by doing so.

    30. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Absolutely it will have an impact. That impact will be one step closer to restoring the food chain to pre-human disruption.

    31. Re:Caution by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      How about breeding mosquitoes that are not carriers for Malaria? Or that don't target humans? Having the bats and birds die because we killed their main food source seems like a bad idea.

    32. Re: Caution by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      My biggest worry is the ability to kill off a species of animal so easily, from the sounds of it. Where will it stop? Hey, this is a nuisance, that is a nuisance, kill 'em all. Next thing you know, we have pigs, cows, chickens, and humans left.

      To your post, yep. And mosquitoes pollinate plants... of which we eat. The honey business only talks about bees as pollinators, but a lot of flying bugs are.

      And I just read somewhere some bat species eat thousands of mosquitoes a night. Certainly other small animals like birds, lizards, toads, and frogs eat them. I'd love to get rid of malaria, but killing a whole species on purpose seems very risky.

    33. Re:Caution by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Horse flies for example. And their bite is pretty nasty. I'd take mosquitoes over horse flies any day.

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    34. Re: Caution by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Mosquitoes are not a natural part of many food chains. For instance, before the arrival of Europeans, there were no mosquitoes in Hawaii. Same for many other islands in Polynesia.

      If the mosquitoes in Hawaii were wiped out, it would be restoring the food chain to its more natural state, and would likely help native species against invaders.

      Yes, natural state... You mean when no human living on the island? What do you think that how mosquitoes migrated to Hawaii? Fly themselves (for thousand of miles) there? I know that you are a very intelligent person, but please step back to try to look at a bigger picture...

    35. Re:Caution by swillden · · Score: 2

      the banking class is in a panic because the current system depends on exponential growth

      Cite?

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    36. Re:Caution by Raenex · · Score: 2

      Cite?

      Sure. Some snippets:

      "Previous generations fretted about the world having too many people. Today's problem is too few."

      "Mounting pensions are an important reason peripheral European countries like Greece have such intractable debt burdens and why Germany is so reluctant to stimulate its own economy despite a balanced budget. Meanwhile, the movement of so many people into the highest-saving period of their lives has produced a bulge of excess savings that has held down interest rates and inflation, making it difficult for central bankers to use their traditional tools to revive economic growth."

      "Older, richer countries can boost their immigrant intake from low-income economies primarily in Africa and Asia, which will make up a growing share of the world's working-age population--if they can overcome political opposition."

    37. Re:Caution by swillden · · Score: 0

      That citation doesn't support your claim that "the banking class is in a panic". It weakly supports the claim that "the current system depends on exponential growth", though the article says that demographic stagnation is a "headwind", not a hard obstacle.

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    38. Re:Caution by Raenex · · Score: 1

      That citation doesn't support your claim that "the banking class is in a panic".

      Banking classes don't openly admit panics if they can help it. But the word is charged with too immediate a concern, so please allow me to replace that with seriously concerned about an endemic threat to the current economic system.

      It weakly supports the claim that "the current system depends on exponential growth"

      The banking class doesn't like to talk about this either, but it's built into the system. Please watch Money as Debt.

    39. Re:Caution by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 1

      What I meant was .. would something take over from mosquitoes? I mean horseflies already exist but it's not like their population is held in check by mosquitoes?

      If all mosquitoes died today, horseflies probably wouldn't be any worse tomorrow.

    40. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you sound like every "run by my gut feeling" idiot out there directly responsible for multiple security breaches, worker's comp claims, and unfathomable risk taking occurring every year.

      Heads up idiot: You're the problem, because you don't know the first thing about what you are doing and how it relates to your business. One of these days, you're going to screw up in a way that won't be ignored. When that time comes, that apathy of yours is going to come back to bite you.

    41. Re:Caution by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      I suspect it's actually the politicians who are more concerned. Social security and other elderly-welfare programs rely on a young working class to keep providing money.

      But with fewer youngsters being born & getting jobs, that means less money to give the elders. Some politicians, like those in Japan, have started handing money to couples if they have 2nd or 3rd children. (Like an inverse of China's one-baby policy.)

      Short term that solves the politicians' problem. Long term it continues the overpopulation problem that will use-up the world's resources (and soil the nest with pollution).

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    42. Re:Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So allowing a disease that kills 400,000 children per year to rampage uncontrolled through the world is what we're calling the cautious approach? And also, you're wrong about the food chain, but even if you were right, you wouldn't normally sacrifice 400,000 children per year for the sake of keeping some food chain intact, would you?

    43. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a recent study that apparently said mosquitos serve no useful purpose in the food chain. Where have you seen that itâ(TM)s essential?

    44. Re: Caution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But in another hundred years the impact may be nil.

  5. Maybe if we introduce.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...massive amounts of Bolivian Tree Lizards that will rid us of the dastardly mosquito problem.

    1. Re: Maybe if we introduce.... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Airborne prey requires an airborne predator. When the morons finally admit that "GMO'ing away" the problem only risks fucking shit up even worse, we'll see postage-stamp-sized drones that burn off mosquitoes' wings with a laser...

    2. Re: Maybe if we introduce.... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      If only people weren't so afraid of bats. They're great for bug control

    3. Re: Maybe if we introduce.... by brianerst · · Score: 2

      They are lousy for mosquito control, however. Researchers have analyzed bat stomach contents and mosquitoes are basically nothing - bats like bigger insects (like moths) or swarming insects (like gnats). Mosquitoes just aren't a good source of calories - too much effort for too few calories.

      A bat (or purple martin) aren't going to turn down a mosquito if it happens to be in its flight path, but they aren't actively predating them either. The only really effective mosquitovore are mosquitofish, which eat larvae.

    4. Re: Maybe if we introduce.... by torkus · · Score: 1

      Yah, not bats...but dragonflies are good for eating mosquitoes. Plus dragonflies don't sting and most people view them as harmless/not scary.

      IDK what's involved in breeding dragonflies but if I had a bunch of property with woods, I'd be breeding dragonflies.

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  6. Not enough movies by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know how sometimes you read something kooky and you say to yourself, "wow, this person watches too many SciFi/spy/etc. movies."? (That happens a fair bit here on Slashdot).

    This article is evidently a case of "wow, these people do not watch nearly enough SciFi/spy/etc. movies."

    Oh well. I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

    1. Re:Not enough movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those insects in Starship Troopers were cool!

    2. Re: Not enough movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is literally what the Aschen drug does to humans from SG-1. It was slow sterilization to wipe out a specific native species so the Aschen could just move in after a couple hundred years without ever firing a single shot.

    3. Re:Not enough movies by Wraithlyn · · Score: 2

      Right?

      You can practically read the synopsis now... "The sterilizing gene drive was only supposed to target other mosquitos. At first, it worked brilliantly. Malaria rates plummeted worldwide. But then a random mutation in the wild allowed it to target other species..."

      BRB, writing "Mosquito's Revenge"

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    4. Re:Not enough movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems very close to the plot of Mimic, except that it was a different insect

    5. Re:Not enough movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then a random mutation in the wild....

      This is my favorite reason to just shrug my shoulders about the African children dying of malaria right now. The hypothetical random mutation in the modified mosquitoes that destroys the planet would be our fault, whereas the hypothetical random mutation in one of the zillions of unmodified species that destroys the planet would leave us blameless.

      It'd be different if anyone could propose an actual likely propagation method that approaches the possible consequences of a few key base pairs naturally changing in influenza A.

  7. They get an E for effort but by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    They're playing with things when they don't fully understand the consequences. I get that's how we learn, but you don't get an undo button
    with this. You do it wrong and the consequences will be epic.

    While we pretty much universally dislike mosquitoes, they do play a part in a larger ecosystem that all we ( as a species ) have managed to do is fuck it up.
    Disrupt it and you risk a cascading effect which can have consequences far beyond what we can predict or plan for.

    It doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to start applying similar edits to other species you may not like or wish to modify.
    ( Say . . . . from a weaponization standpoint . . certain pockets of civilization who carry specific genetic markers or traits )

    Pick a genetic trait that only your targeted population carries, select a payload and voila.

    Just hope the idiots who start down this path realize any natural mutation of their new toy can pretty much end us as a species in a hurry. :|

  8. Welcome to Brazil, circa 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://g1.globo.com/jornal-hoje/noticia/2016/07/mosquito-geneticamente-modificado-ajuda-no-combate-dengue-em-sp.html&xid=17259,15700021,15700043,15700124,15700126,15700149,15700186,15700191,15700201,15700214&usg=ALkJrhiX34qoazPvSSfvuLcfY-SghD4-AA

  9. technological salvation... by js290 · · Score: 1

    Is a faith based proposition. "nothing can possibli go wrong" https://youtu.be/7trn91xkJ0w

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  10. Thoroughly studied. Very specific species 0.1% by raymorris · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is of course something to be very careful about.
    Because it is, multiple teams have studied the issue thoroughly and there seems to be broad agreement that eliminating the specific species responsible for most malaria would have very little ecological impact at all. There are plenty of other mosquito species (and other insects) to fill the niche. There are over 3,000 species of mosquito, only three (0.1%) cause most disease.

    A key there is something like chemical pesticides wouldn't typically target just the species. Hence the search for a very targetted approach.

    1. Re:Thoroughly studied. Very specific species 0.1% by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 1

      A key there is something like chemical pesticides wouldn't typically target just the species. Hence the search for a very targetted approach.

      What we need is a way to target only mosquitoes that carry malaria. Surely we can crispr up a malaria-HIV hybrid virus that gives them skeeter-aids. Maybe throw in some polio for good measure.

    2. Re:Thoroughly studied. Very specific species 0.1% by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      What we need is a way to target only mosquitoes that carry malaria

      uh... that's what they do actually.

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    3. Re:Thoroughly studied. Very specific species 0.1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sort of. They're targeting the entire species of mosquito that's prone to carrying malaria and ignoring the species that don't. But not all individuals in the species carry it, and they're not attempting to target just those individuals.

    4. Re:Thoroughly studied. Very specific species 0.1% by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      Sort of. They're targeting the entire species of mosquito that's prone to carrying malaria and ignoring the species that don't. But not all individuals in the species carry it, and they're not attempting to target just those individuals.

      All females in the species can carry it, and that's why those specific 3 species are being targeted. Eradicating them wouldn't have too great an effect on the ecosystem as they don't feed on any particular other species (except humans) and don't serve as a major food source for any other species. Reverting them to a non-human bloodsucking state would be better, but that would be undoing hundreds of millions of years of evolution, and who knows what that might open up. better to let them go extinct or mutate to a non-human blood sucking state. Both solve the problem.

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    5. Re:Thoroughly studied. Very specific species 0.1% by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      As any member of that species is capable of picking up the parasite at any time, they sort of have to target the whole species, and not just the actively infected ones.

    6. Re:Thoroughly studied. Very specific species 0.1% by citylivin · · Score: 0

      "Because it is, multiple teams have studied the issue thoroughly and there seems to be broad agreement that eliminating the specific species responsible for most malaria would have very little ecological impact at all."

      The older i get, the less i like humans with their unintended consequences and flawed methodologies mucking about with nature. "Multiple teams" built the atomic bombs and approved them for use. More people headed in the same direction means fuck all if they are all wrong. CRISPR is all kinds of fucked up. Humanity always thinks it knows better than nature. And is always wrong.

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    7. Re:Thoroughly studied. Very specific species 0.1% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this targets mosquitoes CAPABLE of carrying malaria, targeting only the ones WITH malaria would require more precision and a much faster lethality.

  11. What about the birds?! by Arzaboa · · Score: 1

    There are all sorts of things that munch on mosquito's. If you kill the mosquito's, there will be other species that have issues. Everything from the mosquito eggs to the full grown adult, are eaten by other creatures.

    Ten dead mosquito's, per cubic meter, ads up to a lot of biomass.

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    1. Re:What about the birds?! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's why they're aiming at a small subset of mosquitos rather than the entire family.

    2. Re:What about the birds?! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Exactly. They're only targeting the spoiled brats, not the parents of the mosquitos families.

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    3. Re:What about the birds?! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      There are all sorts of things that munch on mosquito's. If you kill the mosquito's, there will be other species that have issues. Everything from the mosquito eggs to the full grown adult, are eaten by other creatures.

      Ten dead mosquito's, per cubic meter, ads up to a lot of biomass.

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      Nothing relies heavily on mosquitos for food though. A lot of things eat mosquitos but there is no species that eats ONLY mosquitos. Also, just eliminating species that target humans (a small %) will allow more human-friendly mosquitos to fill the role.

      In all the many studies that have been done on this- none have shown mosquitos to be ecologically important to any other species. In fact- mosquitos are regularly wiped out in localized areas using chemical means to control spread of disease and no "food chain crash" has been observed. (although these events are short lived because mosquitos eventually repopulate from neighbouring areas).

      The mosquito is probably the safest organism we could eliminate that wouldn't harm the food chain... ... they're also easy to breed and keep. We could keep some in a lab and at the rate they repopulate we could reintroduce them to the wild once Malaria and other diseases are wiped out if we noticed a problem being mosquito free.

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    4. Re:What about the birds?! by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      Well, clearly what needs to be done is to tweak the appetite of those eating mosquitoes to want.. MOAR!!

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  12. Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Nutria · · Score: 0

    this is yet another 500,000 people per year which have to be housed, fed, require sanitation, and then make babies to repeat the process, all while living in dreadful poverty.

    Compassion is great, but there are already 7.7Bn people on the planet, it's still growing, and the place where these bugs will be released already have a high birth rate.

    Someone in power needs to think this through in a dispassionate manner.

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    1. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by aberglas · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Google the Malthusian Trap.

      The great plague was actually good for mankind because it let those that survive live decent lives for a few generations.

    2. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I read somewhere, and can't the exact source now, but there are similar sentiments to be found across the web, that the greatest form of contraception for those in great poverty is knowing that your children will survive. I imagine eradication of malaria would go a very long way to reduction of infant mortality in developing nations.

    3. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I'm doing my part! I'm not having kids, ever.

      ... not because I'm single though, that has nothing to do with it. At all.

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    4. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      not because I'm single though

      and not using Facebook will not help...

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    5. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by inking · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By that the logic anti-vacation folks are the best thing ever. You are not being cold-hearted; merely following the good old “one rule for me, another for thee” hypocrisy.

      One of the more popular explanations among economic historians for why regions of Africa are so underdeveloped is specifically malaria. You will notice that countries like Ethiopia that are located in more mountainous regions and thus suffer less from mosquitoes have also always been more developed. Plague and war completely wreck economic development, which ironically also leads to lower populations down the line for all cases studied to date.

      As for Malthus being quoted here, cut him some slack. He lived a long time ago and didn’t sufficiently account for productivity growth.

    6. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      7.7Bn people on the planet, it's still growing ... Someone in power needs to think this through in a dispassionate manner.

      Not in power, but maybe would be good to help these people get access to birth control (instead of letting them die of malaria).

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    7. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by inking · · Score: 1

      That’s amazing. You belong to a minority of this planet’s population that can birth and nurture highly productive offspring—one with net negative birth rates, mind you—and drive development for the populations stuck in a perpetual limbo. Really, the smartest and most benevolent thing you can do is not have children. *facepalm*

    8. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      7.7Bn people on the planet, it's still growing

      Putin, Trump and their friend Kim are going to take care of that.

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    9. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      Someone in power needs to think this through in a dispassionate manner.

      The scientists COULD use the revolutionary gene-editing tool known as CRISPR to engineer humans with a "gene drive," which rapidly transmitted a sterilizing mutation through other members of the human's species........

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    10. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by mentil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If your or your neighbor's child dies of whatever, then you'll have 2 more just to make sure one survives. Thus why the birth rate is astronomical in places wracked by war/famine/plague/death. The push to eliminate malaria is in large part driven by the fact that doing so will cause the sub-Saharan birth rate to plummet. After lowering infant mortality rates, the next-best ways to lower the birth rate are female empowerment (enough to allow them to choose how many children they bear), sex education, then access to contraception (which is useless if you use it wrong because your instructor was a prude and assumed you would understand).

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    11. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      There are whole regions of Africa off limits to human development due to being infested with malaria. With malaria gone, humans will move into these areas and do what humans always do: destroy the environment. It's going to be a disaster that makes climate change worse, and explode the already untenable human population.

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    12. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Chill. Nobody genuinely expects exponential growth to continue indefinitely. Most estimates are that the human race will hit 9-10 billion within the next century, with growth leveling off over time and eventually stabilizing at around a billion per century once the time the world's population hits ~15 billion.

      Will humanity survive? Almost certainly, as long as nothing sets us back technologically for more than a year or two (since that level of population can only be sustained via technology-intensive farming & logistics).

    13. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      By that the logic anti-vacation folks are the best thing ever. You are not being cold-hearted; merely following the good old âoeone rule for me, another for theeâ hypocrisy.

      That's double standard, not hypocrisy.

      And yes it is a double standard. The problem is that we can't do everything for everybody.

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    14. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Net negative birthrate?? Where do you live, the moon? True that - max population 2, which is now zero due to no births and emmigration.

      The Earth is overrun with Humans, and the birth rate is (according to WB):

      "The average global birth rate is 18.5 births per 1,000 total population in 2016.[9] The death rate is 7.8 per 1,000 per year. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_rate

      Over 2 people are born for every one that dies.

    15. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Google the Malthusian Trap.

      /quote>

      Contraceptives broke that trap. Which is why we've been living in luxury in the western world since WWII. The luxury is propped up by technology, and contraceptives ensure we don't outgrow our supply. (Some thinks they aren't well off because theyr'e in the lower third when sorted by income. But compare your life to lower-third people in 1910 or 1850.)

      Now, if the rest of the world could be brought to see this! No religious leaders telling people to multiply. No more food shortages that makes it easy to recruit armies of the starving. No more stupid wars driving refugees onto the rest of the world.

    16. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still growing, but the rate is slowing. The birthrate is falling all over the globe including in the developing world. It's expected to plateau in the next few decades.

    17. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by SqueakyMouse · · Score: 1

      To add to this, the periods of exponential population growth tend to come as infant mortality decreases. It takes a while for the population to adjust to the new infant mortality rate (by having fewer kids) since the commonly accepted mortality rate lags the actual mortality rate. This is in contrast to the west, where we are used to low infant mortality, so populations are much more stable. Once the developing world adjusts to the new much lower mortality rate, there's a period of linear population increase as the excess babies grow and have more modest numbers of kids and grandkids of their own. In addition to that there are still second order effects, like increased life span. The last projection I heard from an expert was 11 billion humans before it roughly stabilises worldwide. The effect of eliminating these mosquitoes would likely be an increase of population for a few generations only and it could still be counteracted through other means.

    18. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Google the Malthusian Trap.

      The great plague was actually good for mankind because it let those that survive live decent lives for a few generations.

      He lived in a very different time than us. His theory was correct for his time, but not for ours. Technology has far outpaced our population growth rate since then. Also, earth's human population growth rate is slowing and even declining in many countries. Many industrialised countries produce fewer children than needed to maintain their population. While the developing world may be growing in population, most of the developed world would be shrinking if it weren't for migration effects.

      We're not going to hit a Malthusian bubble. Population will stop growing before then.

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    19. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is useless if you use it wrong because your instructor was a prude and assumed you would understand

      That sounds like there's a story attached?

    20. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, if you want to solve that problem you could go jump off a bridge. Otherwise lap it up.

    21. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Over 2 people are born for every one that dies.

      The problem would fix itself if people would just stop dying.

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    22. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Disease is not the primary limiting factor on human population, we have extra kids to make up for that. It's food and water that limit human numbers.

    23. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a nice sentiment, but humans are destined to rule the universe. We have to destroy anything and everything that gets in our way. This whole 'coexistence' thing is a bunch of jive. It's either dominate, or die, prevail, or perish. Contentment is death.

    24. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

    25. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by mentil · · Score: 1

      There is. According to the story, condoms were handed out in some 3rd world country, and their use was demonstrated by unrolling the condom over the finger of the demonstrator. It was later found that the people who saw these demonstrations were putting the condoms over their fingers and then fucking as per usual, not understanding that it has to actually go over the penis. I presume the demonstrations are a little more explicit now.

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    26. Re:Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but... by inking · · Score: 1

      You missed the point by a mile. An increase in developed countries’ population is not the same as an increase in developing countries’ population, because developed nations generally produce high productivity offspring that trickle down utility to the developing nations. We have a lot of growth of the latter and the inverse in the former.

      This idea that someone on /. is doing anyone a favor by abstaining from having children is thus completely ludicrous, because it is this user’s children and not someone in a Congo village that are most likely to make people have more “decent lives” and increase productivity that again counteracts Malthus’s ideas—the two issues raised somewhere up there. If you don’t want to have children for personal reasons, knock yourself out, but you are deluding yourself if you think you are somehow “doing your part” in making the world a better place.

  13. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What could possibly go wrong ?"

    Cane toads
    Red crabs
    Fire ants
    Killer bees
    Asian carps
    Etc.

    And these weren't even genetically modified.

    Humanity really is stupid in its arrogance.

    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      killer bees

      "The Africanized bee, also known as the Africanised honey bee, and known colloquially as "killer bee", is a hybrid of the Western honey bee species (Apis mellifera), produced originally by cross-breeding of the African honey bee (A. m. scutellata) with various European honey bees such as the Italian bee A. m. ligustica and the Iberian bee A. m. iberiensis. The Africanized honey bee was first introduced to Brazil in 1956 in an effort to increase honey production, but 26 swarms escaped quarantine in 1957. Since then, the species has spread throughout South America and arrived in North America in 1985." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africanized_bee

  14. Hasn't this been done before? by EETech1 · · Score: 1
  15. next up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sterility-causing viruses targeted at human ethnic populations

    1. Re:next up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be racist, bra. DNA is a social construct.

    2. Re:next up by DamnOregonian · · Score: 2

      No, race is a social construct.
      DNA is quite physical.

    3. Re:next up by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Race indeed is a social construct and not something backed up by biology. Certain genes do exists at higher percents in certain populations though; so it is theoretically possible (if not probable) that a "race" could be targeted by a virus... it is a ludicrous idea though.

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    4. Re:next up by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Ya, it would be shitty targeting at best, though; with high probability of collateral damage and missing people entirely who are considered part of that "race"
      Something people would do well to remember- there is more variation between any two random people within a population than there are between the averages of two populations. That's regardless of diagnostic racial characteristics.

      For the same reason that "race" is not a scientific construct, it's also a shitty biomarker for a weapon.

  16. Humans are a virus by Spy+Handler · · Score: 0

    Climate change is real and habitat destruction is accelerating.

    There is nothing you can do, not driving a Prius, not being Vegan, not recycling your socks and underwear, NOTHING, that's better for the environment and the planet than not having children. NOTHING.

    If you actually cared even just a little for the environment, reducing human population should be your top #1 priority. And yes, environmental groups used to focus on this. They used to promote population reduction and they used to be anti-immigration. Not just against illegal immigration, ALL immigration. Because more immigration = more people = bad for the environment.

    Nowadays though, all the big environment groups all favor increasing population and advocate open-border immigration. And not coincidentally, they all took large sums of cash donation from vested interests and powers that be who profit from more population, more consumption, and more immigration. So yeah, Greenpeace and Sierra Club sold out their principles for cash moolah.

    Anyways, saving millions of children from malaria is all well and good, but what are we gonna do when the world population is 10 billion? 15 billion? Those numbers are coming up fast and will be here soon, definitely within the lifetime of a lot of people on this forum. How about saving millions of people from malaria, but then giving them vasectomy and hysterectomy? Also how about closing down borders and restricting immigration so the high growth countries are forced to confront their internal problems and improves things, instead of exporting their problems to better-run countries?

    1. Re:Humans are a virus by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Score: +5, inconvenient truth

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    2. Re:Humans are a virus by skoskav · · Score: 2

      Anyways, saving millions of children from malaria is all well and good, but what are we gonna do when the world population is 10 billion? 15 billion? Those numbers are coming up fast and will be here soon, definitely within the lifetime of a lot of people on this forum. How about saving millions of people from malaria, but then giving them vasectomy and hysterectomy? Also how about closing down borders and restricting immigration so the high growth countries are forced to confront their internal problems and improves things, instead of exporting their problems to better-run countries?

      There are suggestive correlations between reduced child mortality and reduced family size. Professor Hans Rosling gave some famous talks on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... (10m 55s in)

    3. Re:Humans are a virus by Spy+Handler · · Score: 0

      There are suggestive correlations between reduced child mortality and reduced family size.

      If that were true then surely the great improvements in medicine and reduction in child mortality that happened from late 19th century to late 20th century would've resulted in smaller family size and smaller global population. Did the global population shrink from 1890 to 1990?

    4. Re:Humans are a virus by mentil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Second-gen immigrants have FAR fewer children than first-gen immigrants. Allowing poor people to emigrate to rich countries lowers that family's birth rate compared to keeping them out.
      Brazil's government gave out free vasectomies to any man that wanted one, and it was far more successful than expected. Other countries could do the same thing; how many 1st world nations even do that? The world population is expected to level out at ~10billion, FWIW.
      I do agree that if every good person flees a country, then who's going to stay behind to rebuild the country or vote in competent/moral leadership?

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    5. Re:Humans are a virus by skoskav · · Score: 1

      Whether the population is growing or shrinking depends on the family size. Once the fertility rate goes below 2.0 children per woman, the population will shrink unless immigration can sustain it.

      Japan's declining population is in part due to that fertility rate of 5.10 in 1925 shrinking to 1.43 in 2013 [ref, page 36, but labeled as page 70].

      The point is to continue bringing developing countries up to the more stable populations of developed countries. Then global populations rise may then trail off and stabilize.

    6. Re:Humans are a virus by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      There are suggestive correlations between reduced child mortality and reduced family size.

      If that were true then surely the great improvements in medicine and reduction in child mortality that happened from late 19th century to late 20th century would've resulted in smaller family size and smaller global population. Did the global population shrink from 1890 to 1990?

      Not globally but definiately regionally. Without immigration, ALL first world countries would have declining populations. Paradoxically, countries with low child mortality rates do have reduced family sizes and native population decline. Part of this is likely do to better access to birth control and also to being less agrarian where large family size is not needed to work the fields. The USA is a perfect example where families of a dozen children used to be common and now are almost non-existent. It's rare to see families larger than 3-4 kids in the USA now with many couples having zero, one, and two.

    7. Re:Humans are a virus by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      So you think the solution to a growing population is to give all the poor people Malaria? That's pretty backwards. Population growth is slowed by lowering birth rates which happens when people have better standards of living (e.g. not having Malaria) and when they are more educated.

    8. Re:Humans are a virus by currently_awake · · Score: 2

      In all the countries where child mortality rates dropped they had reductions in family size. We just need to extend those improvements to the rest of the planet.

    9. Re:Humans are a virus by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      Read the full post before replying. Also please don't engage in mind-reading. Focus on the actual text in the post, not what you think is going on inside the head of the writer.

    10. Re:Humans are a virus by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Lowering the risks in premature deaths to children lead to fewer adults, as people tend to overcompensate by increasing the birthrate. It also means that adults are less educated/healthy because they have fewer resources allocated to their care (more spread out over more children).

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    11. Re:Humans are a virus by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Ok, sorry - assuming your post wasn't just random rambling and was actually discussing the topic of this story,

      Instead of saying "you think the solution to a growing population is to give all the poor people Malaria"
      I should have said "you think poor people not having Malaria will cause a growing population problem"

      Hope that more accurately summarizes your insane views.

  17. I'm scared about genetic modification. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Humans have a history of accepting new technology before all the issues are fully understood.

    Scary joke: Maybe those mosquitoes will escape the attempt to eliminate them through genetic modification that occurs naturally. May they will become as large as eagles and need to drink all of the blood of a human every day.

    1. Re:I'm scared about genetic modification. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

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    2. Re:I'm scared about genetic modification. by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      May they will become as large as eagles and need to drink all of the blood of a human every day.

      At least they'd be easier to spot in the bedroom, naively waiting for darkness to come as they usually do.

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    3. Re:I'm scared about genetic modification. by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      Best sleep with a shotgun under your pillow.

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    4. Re:I'm scared about genetic modification. by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Our success in experience with the carrier pidgeon suggests that having mosquitoes the size of eagles would make a cheap and plentiful food source.

  18. Well Kids Now You Know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How death was invented by our silent observing overlords.

  19. unintended consequences by ooloorie · · Score: 2

    The mosquitoes were created in the hopes of using them as a potent new weapon in the long, frustrating fight against malaria. Malaria remains one of the world's deadliest diseases, killing more than 400,000 people every year, mostly children younger than 5 years old.

    All other unintended ecological consequences aside, mosquitoes and malaria are the main factor that makes wide areas of Africa effectively uninhabitable. Controlling them will lead to widespread deforestation, massive population growth, and probably result in famine and political upheavals. I'm not passing judgment on whether it should or shouldn't be done, but this is another example of Western technology radically altering developing nations, and I'm afraid the West will get blamed for the consequences again.

    1. Re:unintended consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the results are the elimination of the mosquito, I'm down. fuck the consequences.

    2. Re:unintended consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess passing down infertility to humans is 100% impossible Because I don't see that being tested.

    3. Re:unintended consequences by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 2

      I'm with this guy/girl. Look, we've endured a lot over millenia. Let's just wipe out all blood sucking/biting mosquitoes. We'll survive.

      To think that the elimination of mosquitoes would somehow spell calamity for the human race is pearl clutching at it's finest.

    4. Re:unintended consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To think that the elimination of mosquitoes would somehow spell calamity for the human race is pearl clutching at it's finest.

      Counter-evidence.

    5. Re:unintended consequences by The+Snazster · · Score: 1

      Can we include botflys (they lay eggs under skin that hatch into worms), chiggers, ticks, fleas, lice, bedbugs, scabies, sand flies, gnats, midges, horseflies, deerflies, and black flies? I count them all as parasites that prey on humans.

    6. Re:unintended consequences by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I believe mosquitoes are one of the few insects that also use an XX/XY sex-determination system, so yours is a pretty reasonable concern. But passing the modified gene along wouldn't likely cause infertility in humans through the same mechanism. It could do nothing, or it could cause congenital disorders like blindness.

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    7. Re:unintended consequences by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      To think that the elimination of mosquitoes would somehow spell calamity for the human race is pearl clutching at it's finest.

      Well, lucky for me then that I didn't claim that it "spells calamity for the human race". In fact, as I was saying, it will cause African human populations to grow massively and wreak much more ecological destruction on the African continent. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing is for you to decide (personally, I don't really care either way). But it's not something that the US and Europe should be held responsible for.

    8. Re:unintended consequences by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      So you're saying we SHOULDN'T want to make more of Africa inhabitable?

    9. Re:unintended consequences by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Which part of "I'm not passing judgment on whether it should or shouldn't be done," was too hard to understand?

      I don't care. Really. It's not my continent. It's not my backyard.

      What I care about is not getting blamed for the consequences, no matter what Africans, governments, and NGOs decide to do.

  20. Re:R A Y M O R R I S = LYING NAZI FAGGOT CAUGHT DE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi! You seem to be one of those antifa we keep hearing about.

    How about getting actual information on the person and going to court with facts instead of writing death threats and asking others to murder someone else on your behalf?

  21. Re:If only ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same tech could be used to eliminate n1ggers.

    Yes it could, because that is genetic targeting. It would not "eliminate" black people but in a few generations that race of humans would cease to exist.

    The same tech could be used to eliminate gays.

    No matter how bad people want this to be genetic, it is not.

    The world would be a lot better place as a result.

    If we could target idiots like you, then I agree.

  22. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why they're aiming at a small subset of mosquitos rather than the entire family.

    This.

    Responsible use of this technology involves simulation, both in the computer and in microenvironments. It involves careful modelling of the food web. It involves a decision about whether it is okay to commit genocide against a subspecies of mosquito. Most people would say yes, but there's a discussion about do we have a responsibility to keep some of the subspecies alive in a zoo, or at least to sequence the genome entirely, for example.

    Irresponsible use of this tech is far more likely. Eventually a grad student will get fed up with mosquitoes and turn this into a project on the side. That may happen before responsible evaluation of the tech happens to a degree that reasonable groups of people would be happy with.

  23. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Actually....
    YOU ARE the biggest loser on Slashdot...

    I can't imagine what that must be like!

    You copy and paste your worthless soul on every page.

    I'd say it's a shame, but you must realize your wasting your precious life on this Earth contributing absolutely nothing, and somehow you think that trolling slashdot is where you were meant to be.

    It gives you a sense of purpose, you see what your doing as an accomplishment.

    You couldn't be more wrong.

    It's painfully obvious you've never done anything constructive with your life, and you are perfectly content walking virtual walls and smearing your shit around only to look at it with pride, the pride of someone who has never done anything, and will never do anything with their life.

    Print this out, tape it to your monitor, and read it every time you press Ctrl+V.

    10 years from now when you have even less than nothing to be proud of, feel free to read it again, and wonder where you could have been had you spent your time doing something (ANYTHING) besides pasting stupid shit to a forum where everyone would rather see you disappear forever.

  24. Re:R A Y M O R R I S = LYING NAZI FAGGOT CAUGHT DE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The preceding poster's name is Dwayne Dixon.

    Google him and see that the left has serious nutcases running around loose.

  25. Re: Why not just introduce another species to eat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, with the Zika virus, we know the effects of failed gene editing. So as long as cooperations or whoever introduces these measures are not owing up to their responsibility on the matter, we shouldn't touch it. Also, it needs to e to test which usually is one of the downfalls of Kapitalismus. See the story of "Klebsiella planticola". We take these powers far to lightly. Humans haven't shown enough responsibility to medle with million year old eco systems yet.

  26. Fixed that for you... by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    The scientists used the revolutionary gene-editing tool known as CRISPR to engineer humans with a "gene drive," which rapidly transmitted a sterilizing mutation through other members of the human's species. After humans carrying the mutation were released into cages filled with unmodified humans in a high-security basement laboratory in London, virtually all of the humans were wiped out

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    1. Re:Fixed that for you... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Difference is that 1) mosquitoes have fewer neurons and don't even know what happens to them, 2) at last, efficient birth control for humans!

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  27. RIDICULOUS LYING FAGGOT BILL LIES ONCE MORE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "To accomplish this task, Chinese citizens were mobilized in massive numbers to eradicate the birds by forcing them to fly until they fell from exhaustion. The Chinese people took to the streets clanging their pots and pans or beating drums to terrorize the birds and prevent them from landing. Nests were torn down, eggs were broken, chicks killed, and sparrows shot down from the sky. Experts estimate that hundreds of millions of sparrows were killed as part of the campaign."

    https://io9.gizmodo.com/5927112/chinas-worst-self-inflicted-disaster-the-campaign-to-wipe-out-the-common-sparrow

    http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20061130_1.htm

    1. Re: RIDICULOUS LYING FAGGOT BILL LIES ONCE MORE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See? Nothing bad happened! Why do you feer ze chanye?

    2. Re:RIDICULOUS LYING FAGGOT BILL LIES ONCE MORE by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but this is just a regurgitation of the myth.

      According to your citation: As a result of these efforts, the sparrow became nearly extinct in China.

      Really?

      Let's look at what is being asserted here: China is a VAST country, with millions of square miles of forests, deserts, mountain ranges, badlands, etc. So hundreds of millions of peasants trekked through these vast landscapes, banging on pots and waving flags, leaving a swathe of dead sparrows in their wake ... yet somehow having no noticeable effect on any other species. They beat these pots 24/7 until all the sparrows fell from the skies in exhaustion, yet somehow the sparrows never thought to fly over the line of pot bangers to the areas that had already be "cleared"?

      Do you really think any of that is plausible? A belief in the Easter Bunny is more reasonable.

      At the time, most Chinese were rural, and agriculture was being collectivized, with disasterous results. The leadership of China was having difficulty motivating people to GROW RICE, and we are expected to believe that they left their homes and farms to go bang pots through vast stretches of wilderness?

      Both the Chinese Communist Party, and Western governments had an interest in spreading this myth. The CCP wanted to blame the sparrows for the starving peasants because the real reason was the Great Leap Forward, and agricultural collectivization was a disaster, with was a core tenet of Maoism. The West promoted the myth to make the commies and their central planning look stupid.

      Here is a propaganda film about this anti-sparrow campaign. Does this look real? Or like made up nonsense?

      The "great sparrow extinction" never happened. If you think it did, or if you think it is even plausible, then you need to develop some critical thinking skills.

      But don't take my word for it. Get a pot and a big spoon. Go outside and bang on it. Count all the dead sparrows that fall from the sky. Then come back and let us know how many you killed.

  28. modify instead of kill? by platinummyr · · Score: 1

    wasn't there a better suggestion where they modified the mosquitoes to not carry malaria instead of just wiping out all the mosquitoes?

  29. Re: Not to sound cold-hearted (though I am), but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The actual long term effect is population growth reduction. The high birth rates in these countries is due to dependence on children for support and the high mortality rate from things like malaria. Raising health and lowering mortality rates decreases the population growth

  30. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  31. Cold-hearted western exceptionalist hypocrisy by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    It's not population growth, it's resources consumption. Your entitled western ass shouldn't be blathering about poor people having too many babies when you're using 30 times as much resources as they do.

    1. Re:Cold-hearted western exceptionalist hypocrisy by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      Can't make more resources. Can make fewer babies. It's really their call. 30 times the resources yes, sure but look at the relative size of the populations. 330 million people in the US guzzling resources like a motherfucker but resources they can afford. Meanwhile 1.2 billion people on the entire continent of Africa grubbing on UN wheat. Another 1.3 billion in India. Stop dropping babies left and right and there would be more to go around over there.

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    2. Re:Cold-hearted western exceptionalist hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not population growth, it's resources consumption. Your entitled western ass shouldn't be blathering about poor people having too many babies when you're using 30 times as much resources as they do.

      So, just keep the poor people poor and we'll be OK? That's what you're suggesting?

      Because lord know that no one in developing countries wants to live a developed lifestyle.

      ... talk about entitled western asses....

    3. Re:Cold-hearted western exceptionalist hypocrisy by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Can't make more resources. Can make fewer babies.

      However you want to rationalize the sense of entitlement and eugenics. Doesn't change the math, though.

    4. Re:Cold-hearted western exceptionalist hypocrisy by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      People who live in countries that are prosperous are lucky to have been born there it's true but the society that produced those conditions is a result of the behavior of its people. In the US that translates into smaller families. Eugenics has nothing at all to do with this and simply serves to highlight your leftist idealogy and real point. If it did then there would be far fewer of those poor, starving, resource limited people. Instead they breed at rates that are insanely unsustainable and then the world gets to hear people like you whine about how those who don't do that are taking more than their share of everything. Complete drivel.

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    5. Re:Cold-hearted western exceptionalist hypocrisy by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      People who live in countries that are prosperous are lucky to have been born there it's true but the society that produced those conditions is a result of centuries of imperialism and human exploitation

      FTRFY

      Eugenics has nothing at all to do with this and simply serves to highlight your leftist idealogy and real point.

      You want poor people to have fewer babies so you can go on using as much resources as their entire extended families. Just be honest with your inner elitist, eugenicist, prick self.

  32. You do know Bill is a wingnut, yes? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    "To accomplish this task, Chinese citizens were mobilized in massive numbers to eradicate the birds by forcing them to fly until they fell from exhaustion.

    No distinction or difference from his point that that the sparrow "eradication" campaign consisted of....making loud noises. In either case, it's funny that you're attacking SB here when he's an anacho-capitliast.

    1. Re:You do know Bill is a wingnut, yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone found willing to lie as often as Bill or Kendall should literally, LITERALLY be tarred and feathered. Old school recipe. Bring it back.

    2. Re:You do know Bill is a wingnut, yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hilarious irony of you calling SB a wingnut is amazing.

      Yes he is, but you're an even bigger wingnut in the other direction.

      In fact, you're both two of Slashdot's biggest fucking idiots. Watching you two is like watching Stalin call Hitler an evil person, and Hitler reciprocating - neither would be wrong, but the reality distortion is astounding.

    3. Re:You do know Bill is a wingnut, yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No distinction or difference from his point that that the sparrow "eradication" campaign consisted of....making loud noises. In either case, it's funny that you're attacking SB here when he's an anacho-capitliast.

      Err. And how about the quoted portion below from the gp AC? It is a part of "eradication" as well, or not?

      Nests were torn down, eggs were broken, chicks killed, and sparrows shot down from the sky

  33. "Virtually" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, a few survive? I guess in a generation or two (in mosquito generations), we're back to starting point, with mosquitoes resistant to the mutation.

    1. Re:"Virtually" by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      So, a few survive? I guess in a generation or two (in mosquito generations), we're back to starting point, with mosquitoes resistant to the mutation.

      If only a few survive then dangerous diseases like malaria would probably NOT survive. So it wouldn't be a problem if mosquito populations bounced back AFTER the diseases are wiped out. Mosquitos aren't the biggest enemy- the diseases they unwittingly spread are the biggest enemy.

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  34. yes in developed countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes it is happening in developed countries where the population growth is close to replacement level. also one has to see the effect of birth control (from 1960's) . Even india people have seen that development(education, health care and income) reduce the family size.

  35. Note that this is against certain types of mosquit by Kartu · · Score: 1

    Note that this is against certain types of mosquitoes only. If I remember correctly, there are at least 300, and humans are after less than 10 o those.

  36. They removed the malaria-spreading mosquito . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . leaving open a niche for the previously suppressed ebola-spreading mosquito . . .

  37. Zika by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting how the Zika thing happened at the same time as these experiments. Kill the virus, not the carriers.

  38. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    It worked well with cane toads in Australia.

    Sarcasm? Because cane toads were a spectacular failure - they didn't eat the pets sitting on top the cane, but devoured native species on the ground.

  39. I would be more worried about the dragonflies by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

    Baby dragonflies feast almost exclusively on baby mosquitoes. If you kill all the mosquitoes you will likely kill all the dragonflies. Adult dragonflies are an apex predator in the insect world and there are likely a lot of bugs that dragonflies eat that we wouldn't want more of.

    1. Re:I would be more worried about the dragonflies by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Informative

      Baby dragonflies feast almost exclusively on baby mosquitoes. If you kill all the mosquitoes you will likely kill all the dragonflies. Adult dragonflies are an apex predator in the insect world and there are likely a lot of bugs that dragonflies eat that we wouldn't want more of.

      Not almost exclusively. It is certainly a portion of their diet (as it is for many species). They get more nutrition from tadpoles, cadis fly larvae, baby fish, daphnia, ostropods, planaria, snails, and all sorts of other micro fauna. Mosquito larvae is just a part of their diet. They're also not particular about the species of mosquito. Only a small percentage of mosquito species bite people. You could wipe out the dangerous mosquitos and leave "human-friendly" ones alone- so their larvae and adults alike can be consumed.

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  40. These seem like good experiments for Antarctica by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

    London seems like a bad place to do experiments like this.
    Antarctica would seem like a much better place as there is much less chance of an escape causing havoc.

  41. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by mjwx · · Score: 1

    It worked well with cane toads in Australia.

    Sarcasm? Because cane toads were a spectacular failure - they didn't eat the pets sitting on top the cane, but devoured native species on the ground.

    Since you're unfamiliar with the ancient Australian concept of bleeding obvious sarcasm, I shall close the cash drawer at this time, cobber.

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  42. Birds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The American House Sparrow next, PLEASE!

  43. Genetic Modification Not Necessary by tsqr · · Score: 2

    The Screwfly Solution has been proven to be quite effective, and doesn't require the introduction of genetically engineered insects into the wild.

    1. Re:Genetic Modification Not Necessary by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? If you read the article you linked, you'll see that the screwfly solution was based on work done on mosquitoes. If it was as effective in mosquito populations as it was in screwworm populations then we wouldn't be looking for an alternate solution. It's not like it hasn't been tried with mosquitoes, it just didn't work. Oh, and the screwfly solution certainly DOES require the introduction of genetically engineered insects into the wild, the only difference is that that technique uses radiation to modify the genome instead of the much more precise CRISPR.

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    2. Re:Genetic Modification Not Necessary by WhiteKnight07 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The screwfly solution exploits a rather unique quirk of the screwfly itself. The females are only able to mate once. If a sterile male reaches a given female first, boom, no fertilized eggs from that female. If you release a large enough number of sterile males into an area they win the race to the females most of the time by sheer numbers and the population crashes in short order. After a few cycles of this total eradication is easily achieved. With most other insect species if a sterile male mates with a female a naturally occurring fertile male can come along 5 minutes later and ruin the whole plan.

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    3. Re:Genetic Modification Not Necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modded up, because " naturally occurring fertile male can come along 5 minutes later and ruin the whole plan" - I was that male that came along later and ruined some poor schmuck's plan. Going on 30 years now, she's been a great wife, and I'm pretty sure the kids are all mine :)

    4. Re:Genetic Modification Not Necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But your wife is probably human and humans are not monogamist. I mean, I suppose you might be your wife's one and only, but that's exceedingly unlikely in this day and era unless you are part of some extreme religious group.

      The rest of us are pretty much serial monogamist. This screwfly we are talking about, apparently the females are truly monogamist. They screw one male fly and that's it. If she doesn't get knocked up, she doesn't try again like a human female would (not all human females that want kids get them).

    5. Re:Genetic Modification Not Necessary by tsqr · · Score: 1

      If you read the article you linked, you'll see that the screwfly solution was based on work done on mosquitoes.

      Wrong. Read the article again. The screwfly solution was inspired by a book by Nobel laureate H. J. Muller titled "Drosophila," which discussed use of radiation to alter the genetic material of insects. Drosphila, by the way, is not a mosquito; it is a genus of flies commonly referred to as "small fruit flies". The word "mosquito" appears nowhere in the article.

      Oh, and the screwfly solution certainly DOES require the introduction of genetically engineered insects into the wild

      Releasing overwhelming numbers of sterile males into the wild to out-compete the native, non-sterile males is certainly not remotely similar to designing a genetic modification that engineers mosquitos with a "gene drive," which rapidly transmitted a sterilizing mutation through other members of the mosquito's species.

  44. great. another love bug plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll see your mosquito eater, and raise you a trillion flying fucks, literally.
    Another fucking disaster waiting to happen.

  45. New carriers by shayd2 · · Score: 1

    They need to make a distinction between the disease (malaria) and the carriers (mosquitoes). Killing the carrier is not the same as killing the parasite.

    How long until the malaria parasite starts using a new carrier?

    Are currently no other species that host (however poorly) the parasite?

    1. Re:New carriers by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Does it really matter, if those carriers don't infect humans?

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  46. uncivilization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only alternative left was to increase the death rate
    No one wanted to pick people out of a crowd
    And line them up for execution
    Neither did they relish the possible consequences of an enraged public
    Upon discovering that they were being systematically murdered

    A very short but very deadly global war was contemplated
    Something else had to be done that would absolve
    The decision-makers of guilt
    Something that could be blamed upon mother nature
    The answer, a synthetic biological agent

    An agent that does not naturally exist
    For which no natural immunity could have been acquired
    The United States population was infected
    The vaccine was administered by the World Health Organization
    Whatever causes AIDS was in the vaccine

  47. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It worked well with cane toads in Australia.

    Sarcasm? Because cane toads were a spectacular failure - they didn't eat the pets sitting on top the cane, but devoured native species on the ground.

    Well, maybe the real problem was Australians keeping cane beetles as pets.

  48. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when is the problem that there aren't enough humans in malaria-stricken areas? Is someone trying to engineer bigger and better famines?

  49. R A Y M O R R I S = LYING NAZI FAGGOT CAUGHT DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12520486&cid=57184660 GTFO ALT-REICH PROPAGANDA RETARD-SUPREMACIST FAGGOT RAY MORRIS GTFO

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12520486&cid=57184660 KILL
    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12520486&cid=57184660 THIS
    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12520486&cid=57184660 NAZI
    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12520486&cid=57184660 FAGGOT

  50. The sixth extinction continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is what humans are good at. That sudden stop at the end.

  51. Volunteers for research by The+Snazster · · Score: 1

    We got tiger mosquitoes invading New York. I volunteer them for immediate field trials. What's the risk? That we don't kill off an invasive species of disease carrier that bites people even in broad daylight?

  52. Asian Hornet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in Spain and France, we have a problem with the Asian Hornet.

    Maybe we could use a tool like this to wipe out. But it's a dangerous move. A inverse transfer (from Europe to China) could wipe the specie in its origin were is in balance with the biosphere and it's probably needed for biosphere balance.

    I hope they could invest somekind of trigger that we could turn on or off easily.

  53. What could.. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1
    ..POSSIBLY go wrong?

    Intentionally wipe out an entire species of anything

  54. Not 200, 3 by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    IIRC, Malaria is only carried by one species of mosquito. And All human diseases are only carried by 3.

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  55. club of rome anyone??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let's see how this works. lower infant mortality means more kids. but no schools to educate them. no jobs to give them employment when they have grown. frustration and anger the obvious results. Religious Fundamentalist Rejoice!!!

  56. BEWARE the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    Ignoring the rogues' gallery of their global advisory board in times past [jailbird, Rajat Gupta {and major jobs offshorer}, Philip Zelikow of the 9/11 Commission and Ernesto Zedillo, whom the Mexican gov't justifiably but unsuccessfully attempted to extradite back to Mexico to stand trial] the last stuff they funded, Oxitec, just happened to cause an explosion in the Zika virus wherever they released their engineered mosquitoes!

    We judge the most corrupt here in Seattle by the highly paid positions they are eventually offered at the Gates Foundation . . . .

  57. Wouldn't it be cheaper by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be cheaper to use DDT?

  58. Brilliant Humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the first time, scientists have demonstrated that a controversial new kind of genetic engineering can rapidly spread a self-destructive genetic modification through a complex species.

    Because absolutely nothing could go wrong with that kind of technology.

  59. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought I stumbled upon a programming error but later learned about promotion.

    Fuck are you ever dumber than dumb creimer!

    The quote above is the story of your life. Maybe later in your life you will learn about behaving on forums and while at it, learn about the YouTube algorithm that you brag about knowing now but you don't.

    Anyway, your post is a bunch of lies as usual. You are a pathological liar.

    Learn about it here:
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  60. Reducing the damage done by homo "sapiens" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. would be even more fucking beneficial.

    IMHO, those mosquito cunts are a "godsent". Their only fuckin' problem is that they aren't adapted to cold-ass climates yet, and need standing water AFAIFuckinK.

    But what do I fuckin' worry? Shit, homo "sapiens" will fucking exterminate itself quickly enough. We (not you, humans) will survive.

    -- Sciurus vulgaris

  61. Bad idea by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Kill off all the mosquitoes, and what happens to the species of animals that eat them? What will they eat? If they don't eat them, will they survive? I'm not just talking about frogs either. Purple Martins, and countless other birds feast on those little critters, as to Praying Mantis, snakes, and other animals. Yes, Malaria is a bad disease, and it was somewhat controlled until the flood of so called refugees from Africa/middle east hit the globe, now it is spreading once again. No, I'm not a eugenics type, but there was a reason the oceans kept some species of humans, apart from another set of humans.

  62. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyway, your post is a bunch of lies as usual. You are a pathological liar.

    That's rich coming from your pastebin.

  63. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey creimy! Why don't you make a video about this story? I am sure it will get more precious views than any other video you have made previously!

    Here is the story of creimy the mountain and his royalties!

    This story was inspired by cdreimer, the parent poster. The story was written by a visionary on cdreimer birth date.

    The story of creimy the mountain explained:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Creimy is a typical mountain who poses for postcards, living with his wife Ethel, a tree, between the cities of Rosamund and Gorman, California. The main features on his mountainous face are two large caves, resembling eyes, and a cliff for a jaw, which moves up and down when he talks, puffing up dust and boulders.
    click above link to read more, he even destroyed Edwards Air Force Base just by passing by...

    Listen to the audio version here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    "Creimy The Mountain"

    includes quotes from Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 in D major (Edward Elgar), Johnny's Theme (Paul Anka), Off We Go Into The Wild Blue Yonder (Crawford), O Mein Papa (Paul Burkhard), Over The Rainbow (Harburg/Arlen), Star-Spangled Banner (Smith/Key), Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (Stephen Stills)

    One, two, three

    CREIMY the Mountain
    CREIMY the Mountain
    A regular picturesque
    Postcardy mountain
    Residing between lovely
    Rosamond and Gorman
    With his stunning wife ETHELL, A tree! A tree!

    CREIMY was a mountain ETHELL was a tree Growing off of his shoulder

    CREIMY was a mountain
    (CREIMY was a mountain!)
    ETHELL was a tree Growing off of his shoulder
    (ETHELL was a tree growing off of his shoulder)
    (hey, hey hey!)

    Creimy had two big
    Caves for eyes,
    With a cliff for a jaw
    That would go up 'n down,
    And whenever it did,
    He'd puff out some dust,
    And hack up a boulder (HACK!) Hack up a boulder (HACK! HACK!)
    Hack up a boulder (HACK! HACK! HACK!) Up a boulder

    Now, one day, now I believe it was on a Tuesday, a man in a checkered double-knit suit drove up in a large El Dorado Cadillac, leased from BOB SPREEN

    ("Where the freeways meet in Downey!")

    And he laid a HUGE, BULGING ENVELOPE right at the corner of CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN, that was right where his 'foot' was supposed to be.

    Now, CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN, he couldn't believe it! All those postcards he'd posed for, for ALL OF THOSE YEARS, and finally, now, AT LAST, his Royalties!

    Royalties! Royalties Royalties! Royalty check is in, honey!

    Yes, CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN was RICH! Yes, and his eyeball-caves, they widened in amazement, and his jaw (which was a cliff), well it dropped thirty feet!

    A bunch of dust puffed out! Rocks and boulders hacked up, (hack! hack!) crushing 'The LINCOLN'!

    I gave him the money He acted real funny He hocked up a rock and It TOTALLED my car!

    Oh, do you Know any trucks Might be bound for THE VALLEY?
    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar (Dear Lord)

    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar (No shit!)

    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar!

    By two o'clock, when the bars are already closed down, CREIMY had broken 'THE BIG NEWS' to ETHELL. And with dust and boulders everywhere, CREIMY, choked with excitement, announced

    "ETHELL, we're going on a VACATION!"

    Yes, and they WERE going on a vacation! (Oh, and ETHELL, ETHELL, ETHELL, like every little woman, she of course was very excited! She creaked a little bit, and some old birds flew off of her.) CREIMY told ETHELL they were going to Yes! They were going to NEW YORK!

    "ETHELL, we're going to New York!"

    But first they were gonna stop in LAS VEGAS

    It's off to LAS VEGAS to check out the lounges Pull a few handles,
    And drink a few beers, (Oh, ETHELL!)

    ETHELL, my darling, you know that I love you!
    I'm glad we could

  64. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Chris! :)

    Granny PottyMouth click-bots are crap. My click-bots are much more AI advanced, they will leave comments on your channel and add likes so the hack isn't as obvious.

    Just send me the comments as you would like them to appear, exemples:

    "Great video C.D., keep on the good work"

    "This is the best video I have seen on YouTube, amazing! Thumbs up"

    etc. etc.

    Contact me instead and forget about Granny PottyMouth!

  65. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey creimy! Why don't you make a video about this story? I am sure it will get more precious views than any other video you have made previously!

    If I wanted more views, I would make another Slashdot video. But the YouTube algorithm favors watch time over views. If I wanted more watch time, I would make another Singing Lizard video.

  66. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you have any essperience with roaming numerals?

    Chris is currently indisposed and can't reply to your post at the moment.

    Granny PottyMouth has just revealed to Chris (see https://slashdot.org/comments....) that most of the views on our YouTube channels were caused by one of her employee using her click-bots.

    She says she instructed him to stop immediately and what she says must be true since the views stopped on our channel and we have only 12 views since last week on our latest video "How to Pronounce The New Apple iPhone XR, XS & XS Max (September 2018)". Note that the pronunciation might change in December so make sure to keep watching our channel!
    --
    Ethell, Team Creimer Administrative Assistant.
    How to Pronounce The New Apple iPhone XR, XS & XS Max (September 2018)

  67. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I played Sargon II on the Commodore 64 for five years until I regularly beat the game.

    Gosh creimer! It took you five years to beat the game in beginner mode???? What a dummy!

    I never lost a single game under those circumstances, you bragging fallacious lying sack of shit.

  68. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn are you ever dumber than dumb creimer!

    How long will it be before you understand the views on the videos you mention where generated by people toying with you? 5 years like it took you to beat Sargon in beginner's mode???

    And you are so dumb that you keep bragging about those views.

    You have a maximum of 50 real views on both of those videos!
    --
    Balena!

  69. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long will it be before you understand the views on the videos you mention where generated by people toying with you?

    Views without eight seconds of watch time are discarded by the algorithm. Everytime you crowed about my view count on Socialblade being negative, it's because the algorithm discared views without watch time. The Singing Lizard had 300+ views discarded views but still clocked in 25 hours of watch time in 465 views. Eight seconds, incidentally, is how long someone decides to watch or abandon a video.

    You have a maximum of 50 real views on both of those videos!

    The Singing Lizard video had 25 hours of watch time. If that video had only 50 real views, each viewer would have to watch 30 minutes of a 7.5 minute video. In order to get 30 minutes from a 7.5 minute video, they would have to rewind and watch the video four times. Only serious wankers would rewatch that video four times.

  70. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long will it be before you understand the views on the videos you mention where generated by people toying with you?

    Views without eight seconds of watch time are discarded by the algorithm. Everytime you crowed about my view count on Socialblade being negative, it's because the algorithm discared views without watch time. The Singing Lizard had 300+ views discarded views but still clocked in 25 hours of watch time in 465 views. Eight seconds, incidentally, is how long someone decides to watch or abandon a video.

    You have a maximum of 50 real views on both of those videos!

    The Singing Lizard video had 25 hours of watch time. If that video had only 50 real views, each viewer would have to watch 30 minutes of a 7.5 minute video. In order to get 30 minutes from a 7.5 minute video, they would have to rewind and watch the video four times. Only serious wankers would rewatch that video four times.

    OK dumb fuck, here you go, all those views where generated by the script below.

    Do you want another 200 views on your pedophile video? Or would you rather get them on your IT closet cleaner video? Maybe on the iPhone pronunciation video? Please just ask kindly if you do. Note that the script can hit many videos while it is running so please provide the list of videos you would like to get views on.

    Also, the script streams the video for 10 min (sleep 600) so your 8 seconds stuff is bullcrap as usual....


    #!/bin/sh

    while :
    do

    for LINK in \
    "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnEOW8E4rZw&feature=youtu.be"
    do
    ~/bin/creimerviews "$LINK" &

    sleep 600

    killall chromium

    sleep 5

    done

    done

  71. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK dumb fuck. I know that you are too stupid to listen to what anybody tells you so there is another 200 views, (yahoo!) coming on your stupid pedophile video! Just watch your stats dummy!

    How long will it be before you understand the views on the videos you mention where generated by people toying with you?

    Views without eight seconds of watch time are discarded by the algorithm. Everytime you crowed about my view count on Socialblade being negative, it's because the algorithm discared views without watch time. The Singing Lizard had 300+ views discarded views but still clocked in 25 hours of watch time in 465 views. Eight seconds, incidentally, is how long someone decides to watch or abandon a video.

    You have a maximum of 50 real views on both of those videos!

    The Singing Lizard video had 25 hours of watch time. If that video had only 50 real views, each viewer would have to watch 30 minutes of a 7.5 minute video. In order to get 30 minutes from a 7.5 minute video, they would have to rewind and watch the video four times. Only serious wankers would rewatch that video four times.

    OK dumb fuck, here you go, all those views where generated by the script below.

    Do you want another 200 views on your pedophile video? Or would you rather get them on your IT closet cleaner video? Maybe on the iPhone pronunciation video? Please just ask kindly if you do. Note that the script can hit many videos while it is running so please provide the list of videos you would like to get views on.

    Also, the script streams the video for 10 min (sleep 600) so your 8 seconds stuff is bullcrap as usual....


    #!/bin/sh

    while :
    do

    for LINK in \
    "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnEOW8E4rZw&feature=youtu.be"
    do
    ~/bin/creimerviews "$LINK" &

    sleep 600

    killall chromium

    sleep 5

    done

    done

  72. Natural Selection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Natural selection has not yet made us perfect, and has had no chance to adopt to the new technology of birth control. So it has set our priorities slightly askew. We want to live a comfortable life more than we want lots of children, and we can now get sex without the later.

    But this is a temporary state of affairs. Some people still have large families. And for some combination of nature and nurture their children tend to have larger families. In a few generations most people will be from those larger families, and Natural Selection will again work its magic.

    (Assuming the robots don't get us first.)

  73. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your kiddie script may have worked on YouTube prior to 2014.

  74. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure creimer. You still don't believe me so just watch your stat on the pedophile video then! I'll stop between 200 and 300 views and as usual you will get some views discarded afterward but the YouTube algorithm isn't able to catch them all.

    The script has been working very fine thank you since you created your YouTube channel bragging everywhere about it!

    Why have I done this?

    To make you brag on Slashdot even more and become even more annoying that you already are! I knew you would spam Slashdot even more because you would believe that spamming Slashdot was truly efficient !

    Before that, I even have done the same with your amazon affiliate spam setting the referrer to Slashdot to make you believe spamming Slashdot with affiliate links was efficient!

    CROFLOL you big dummy! Now, I hope you will come to realize the truth: Nobody watches your youtube channel except click-bots and people that just want to make fun of yourself like my buddies and myself!

    So, you have wasted your time making all those videos you big dummy, just like I was expecting you to do! You have also wasted your time spamming Slashdot while believing it was efficient.

    If anybody wants to watch along:
    https://socialblade.com/youtub...

    The Singing Lizard Children Band @ Mt. View Art is currently at 465 views since a week when I stopped the script. Check tomorrow! It takes a while for the views to be displayed.

    CROFLOL! CROFLOL! CROFLOL! CROFLOL!
    CROFLOL! CROFLOL! CROFLOL! CROFLOL!
    --
    Balena!
     

  75. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey creimer make sure to read this if you want to know how dead your youtube channel really is::

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

  76. UPDATE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahaha creimer! CROFLOL!

    After 40-50 views on your stupid pedophile video, here is what youtube tells me now:

    Sign in to confirm your age
    This video may be inappropriate for some users.

    Since I promised you 200 views, the rest will go to your equally stupid iPhone pronunciation video! So check the views going up on that one instead.

    Maybe I should keep doing this for all your videos so at least people will have to login to view your videos. That wouldn't be very good for your precious views, would it?
    --
    Balena!

  77. UPDATE for creimy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahahahaha creimer! CROFLOL!

    After 40-50 views on your stupid pedophile video, here is what youtube tells me now:

    Sign in to confirm your age
    This video may be inappropriate for some users.

    Since I promised you 200 views, the rest will go to your equally stupid iPhone pronunciation video! So check the views going up on that one instead.

    Maybe I should keep doing this for all your videos so at least people will have to login to view your videos. That wouldn't be very good for your precious views, would it?

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

    --
    Balena!

    1. Re:UPDATE for creimy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for the free data. Now I know what invalid views look like (no OS name and geographic location). I expect the algorithm to remove those in the next 48 hours. Thank you for wasting your time for my benefit.

    2. Re:UPDATE for creimy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After searching YouTube"s policies, I have concluded that you're not harming my channel in any way. Carry on.

  78. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chris, my team has just updated me with your new contact info. It is nice to hear from you again and to see that you have managed to get a new Slashdot account.

    *** Chris, contact me ASAP please. I have AI click bots that don't get detected by youtube algorythm! :) -2 subscribers and 10 views a day for you is sad.. -love granny XX ***

    Dear Team Creimer,

    I just noticed that the Humpty-Dumpty video has 435+ millions views, that should make you salivate!

    I have plenty of ideas to make the views on your own youtube channel skyrocket but you didn't contact me yet. Is it because I am a lady? Ethell says that you are sexist but I hope it isn't true.

    Anyway, I will give you a free hint anyway: Dress-up as Humpty in your videos, you shouldn't need that much makeup making this a money saving situation in your own case.

    My YouTube channel has 222K subscribers and many videos with hundreds of thousands of views:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Now, with some slight adjustments, I think that together, we could make the view count skyrocket on your very own Team Creimer youtube channel :)

    Please feel confident to contact me if you want me to coach you, we aren't living so far away from each other so we could even easily meet.

    Love XX,

    --
    -Granny

  79. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you for the free data. Now I know what invalid views look like (no OS name and geographic location). I expect the algorithm to remove those in the next 48 hours. Thank you for wasting your time for my benefit.

    After searching YouTube"s policies, I have concluded that you're not harming my channel in any way. Carry on.

    So now, you just realized and admitted the following:
    1) Nobody watches your youtube channel except click-bots and people that just want to make fun of yourself like my buddies and myself!

    2) You don't care how fraudulent you revenue streams are and your bragging is based on lies.

  80. nnice mosquitos by nten · · Score: 1

    The mosquito's in the pacific Northwest are slower bigger and have less reactive bites. Also they don't carry malaria, dengue etc. The egyptii we have down here in the south carry all of those and are so much harder to swat.

    --
    refactor the law, its bloated, confusing and unmaintainable.
  81. Don't limit this to malaria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't limit this advancement to mosquitoes carrying malaria, use it on ALL mosquitoes. I am in the process of immigrating to Finland and don't want to deal with the mosquitoes in Spring and Fall. Also, further develop this miracle agent to include flies, hornets, gnats, stinkbugs, silverfish, termites, ants, wasps, and all other pesky insects. Nature can cope with their loss.

  82. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Nobody watches your youtube channel except click-bots and people that just want to make fun of yourself like my buddies and myself!

    If click-bots were inflating my validated views, mobile should be more than 33% of my views. Click-bots use the YouTube mobile API and not a shell script to generate views.

    2) You don't care how fraudulent you revenue streams are and your bragging is based on lies.

    YouTube is a platform for attracting an audience. As for bragging, you obviously don't know when you're being trolled.

  83. I see a gap by backwardsposter · · Score: 1

    I see a gap in the study. They kept them in a box and sterilized them but did they remember to feed them?

  84. Re:Why not just introduce another species to eat t by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Quite familiar with the concept of sarcasm. The problem is telling the difference between a sarcastic comment and someone who's just that painfully ignorant. Thus the question.