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Robot Lawnmowers Are Killing Hedgehogs (wired.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: While Americans still wrangle their overgrown lawns by pushing or riding a lawnmower, many Europeans have handed off that responsibility to robots. These beefy, Roomba-like mowers loop their way around a yard, keeping grass trim and neat. To many of their users, the bots are endearing. Their owners give them names or cover them in decals of ladybugs or bumblebees. But the sentimentality only goes so far, because these blades-on-wheels have also been slicing up something other than grass: hedgehogs.

Erika Heller, a long-time hedgehog advocate with a Swiss nonprofit called Igelstation Winterthur, estimates that nearly half the hedgehogs brought to the group during the last couple years were injured by robot lawnmowers. These injuries include limb amputation, cut bellies, or even scalping. And that's not including the ones that have been killed outright. "The ones that have died we don't see, because they don't get brought here." In the United States, despite a wealth of children's toys and clothing featuring hedgehogs, the only live animals you're likely to see are in the zoo or, more controversially, kept as pets. But in Europe, wild hedgehogs are beloved. They're popular in European folklore; there's even a famous British poem about a hedgehog killed by a lawn mower.

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  1. They have to practice on something by FFOMelchior · · Score: 5, Funny

    before they move up to humans

    1. Re:They have to practice on something by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      Wow...I had no idea there were Roomba type robot lawnmowers on the market!?!?

      I've gotta look to see if this is available in the US...are they reliable and safe enough to use on your front lawn, so that you don't get sued by some kid getting hurt by one running into your yard, etc....

      I'll look into it, but man, unless these things are really GOOD....it seems a lawsuit magnet!!!

      It sure would be nice to quit paying the guy to cut my yard $30 every couple weeks....

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    2. Re:They have to practice on something by gnick · · Score: 1

      I don't know what they cost, but my brother has one and loves it (here in the US). It plots out his big, rectangular yard and docks to charge when it's done. It's quiet enough that it runs every morning before anyone's awake.

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    3. Re:They have to practice on something by commodore64_love · · Score: 2

      Here you go: https://www.amazon.com/Husqvar...

      > would be nice to quit paying the guy to cut my yard $30

      In California our local government is paying us to remove outrlawns. Many people now have wildflowers and desert-type plants. Advantage: Very little maintenance required, saves water, saves fossil fuel, reduces pollution, saves $30/week

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    4. Re:They have to practice on something by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Oregon does it too to an extent (depending on locale and which water district you live in.) It's called Xeriscaping.

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    5. Re:They have to practice on something by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      What's the liability laws for something like that in the USA?

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    6. Re:They have to practice on something by sjames · · Score: 1

      I call it letting nature take it's course.

    7. Re: They have to practice on something by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      I think they're ready for humans, albeit only babies.

    8. Re:They have to practice on something by magarity · · Score: 1

      are they reliable and safe enough to use on your front lawn

      Never mind reliable and safe - it would get stolen from a US front yard before it could break down or hurt anyone. At most one of these could do a back yard hidden away from the street.

    9. Re:They have to practice on something by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I've gotta look to see if this is available in the US...are they reliable and safe enough to use on your front lawn, so that you don't get sued by some kid getting hurt by one running into your yard, etc....

      Hmmm . . . that's why I might get one . . . I won't need to yell at the kids to get off my lawn anymore . . . the RoombaMower will keep them away . . . or make Soylent Green Mulch out of them.

      If I remember correctly, US law differentiates between "unsolicited" visitors and "solicited" visitors. If the mailman, a "solicited" visitor, trips and breaks his leg on your doorstep . . . he can sue you.

      If a neighborhood kid, an "unsolicited" visitor, tries to pick a fight with your lawnmower . . . he can't sue you.

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    10. Re:They have to practice on something by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly, US law differentiates between "unsolicited" visitors and "solicited" visitors. If the mailman, a "solicited" visitor, trips and breaks his leg on your doorstep . . . he can sue you.

      If a neighborhood kid, an "unsolicited" visitor, tries to pick a fight with your lawnmower . . . he can't sue you.

      Is it a blanket law across the whole country- or does it vary by state and county. That's the kind of thing I wouldn't be surprised to learn is different depending on state. Kinda like, in most states you will get in trouble for shooting someone robbing your home but in Texas you can shoot anyone on your property as long as you offer them a three step headstart.

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    11. Re:They have to practice on something by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      My neighbor has one, and they are slow, with small blades, and little power. The risk is way less than a human controlled powered lawn mower kicking up rocks or debris. I can't imagine it injuring anyone unless they purposely went up to it and stuck their toes into the blades, and that would be difficult since the blades are not exposed.

      The low power is not a problem: it can just take longer, since no human time is involved. It will periodically return to the docking station to recharge.

      I use a much better solution: I replaced my lawn with gravel, desert shrubs, and cacti. No grass to mow, and a 75% reduction in my water bill.

    12. Re:They have to practice on something by lgw · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly, US law differentiates between "unsolicited" visitors and "solicited" visitors. If the mailman, a "solicited" visitor, trips and breaks his leg on your doorstep . . . he can sue you.

      I know someone who was successfully sued by a burgler who walked through a plate glass window and injured himself badly. There's no accounting for juries. Liability insurance is a must whether you rent or own.

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    13. Re:They have to practice on something by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 1

      Most of them have a loud alarm that goes off if they're randomly picked up.

    14. Re: They have to practice on something by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Honda sells one but it cuts at a max height of 2.5 inches I believe

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    15. Re:They have to practice on something by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Never mind reliable and safe - it would get stolen from a US front yard before it could break down or hurt anyone. At most one of these could do a back yard hidden away from the street.

      You need to find a better place to live. A large percentage of places in the USA with yards large enough to mow are relatively safe to leave stuff out. I have a grill and a couple bikes I leave outside and have never had a problem. Many houses in my neighborhood have similar stuff left outside. I also would think that if I had a mower like this that I would likely give it a doggie door to use so it would only be out for a few hours a week at most.

    16. Re:They have to practice on something by Malenx · · Score: 1

      They're trying pretty hard to prevent that. The one I was considering purchasing had to be re-activated every 30 days or so otherwise it would stop working. Only the factory could reset it. If someone stole it they were essentially stealing a paper weight.

    17. Re: They have to practice on something by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      And you're contributing to the increase in tempature.

      Nope. AGW is not caused by humans producing heat, but by humans producing gases that increase the retention of heat. So the problem is dH/dt increasing, not H.

      I live in California, where 10% of all electricity consumed is used to pump water through aqueducts. So by using less water, I am producing less CO2.

    18. Re:They have to practice on something by Papaspud · · Score: 1

      Glad I don't live in a big city..

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    19. Re:They have to practice on something by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      The manual for the Robomow says not to let it run unattended or with kids or pets around. The blades stop spinning when you pick it up, but there are quickly spinning metal blades underneath. However the Robomows, even the smaller ones, are pretty beefy machines which has the advantage that they can also mow high grass and are not stopped by small branches etc. There are other models, e.g. by Husqvarna, with less dangerous blades.

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    20. Re: They have to practice on something by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      If their yard is desert shrubs and cacti, they probably live in an area where that is the natural landscape.

      Dumping water on grass in a place like that causes it to evaporate and put water vapor in the air.

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    21. Re:They have to practice on something by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      I want one that the alarm is "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

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    22. Re:They have to practice on something by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      My neighbor has one, and they are slow, with small blades, and little power. The risk is way less than a human controlled powered lawn mower kicking up rocks or debris. I can't imagine it injuring anyone unless they purposely went up to it and stuck their toes into the blades, and that would be difficult since the blades are not exposed.

      Ok, that make sense.

      While I've heard of electric lawnmowers, I've never actually seen one for sale, much less one in use.

      When I heard lawnmower I immediately pictured a robot running a gas powered engine, loud and powerful, basically like a push mower but without the handle for the human to hold/push.

      Makes sense if electric....just wasn't first thing I pictured in my head.

      Looks like most of these require you to outline your property with a guid wire staked/buried....not sure how well this would work, as that how does it get through the gate to the back yard without human intervention.....and what if you have a sidewalk through your yard, I don't think laying that guide wire on top of it would work too well, etc.

      Nifty Idea, and I see it as the future, but unless you have the ideal yard type, wouldn't really be useful.

      I do see some of them have anti-theft alarms....as $$$ as these things seem to be ( most seem at least at the $2K price point), I'd think theft would be a big red flag on getting one of these.

      I HATE nothing more in the world than yard work, specifically mowing the lawn. I pay someone to do that for me.

      I like to work in a veggie garden, on something I can eat.

      While I like and appreciate a nicely groomed yard, I abhor having to maintain it myself, its worth it to me to pay someone to do it, OR, if this robo-mower becomes a viable option for me, I'll jump headlong into that.

      I really like my Neato Robotics vacuum for the house...I'd love a version for the yard!!

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    23. Re:They have to practice on something by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      What's the liability laws for something like that in the USA?

      I'm not your lawyer or your insurance agent, but the risk is probably low enough that it would be covered the same as any other way someone might get injured on your property. I think, if I remember correctly, that accidental injuries like that are covered by typical homeowner's insurance.

    24. Re:They have to practice on something by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      If a neighborhood kid, an "unsolicited" visitor, tries to pick a fight with your lawnmower . . . he can't sue you.

      I don't believe that is true...

      I mean, if you have a swimming pool in your back yard, fenced in, locked, etc.....and some damned neighborhood kid climbs your fence, gets in and gets hurt or drowned...YOU are definitely in for a lawsuit you will likely use at the VERY least.....and might even have criminal charges thrown your way these days....

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    25. Re:They have to practice on something by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Kinda like, in most states you will get in trouble for shooting someone robbing your home but in Texas you can shoot anyone on your property as long as you offer them a three step headstart.

      That must only be most of the NE states...

      In the S and SE, if someone has broken into your house, you can blow that fucker away, pretty much no questions asked, as it should be.

      Hell, in New Orleans, I've heard of someone shooting a criminal in their house, and the person making it out the door to die in the front yard....the cops have helped the innocent home owner out making it simpler and dragging the body back inside before pictures were taken.....

      In TX, they are even more liberal about shooting someone trespassing on and stealing your property, they don't even have to be IN your home, just on your property in some cases.

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    26. Re:They have to practice on something by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Nifty Idea, and I see it as the future, but unless you have the ideal yard type, wouldn't really be useful.

      I wonder how well it would work on a yard with terrain (bunch of sunken areas; some slanted areas; places with exposed roots of large trees; not flat) and MANY trees, bushes, and shrubs planted in the middle of the yard all over the place.... also, front yard, two side yards, and back yards, all of significant size with a bunch of garden beds, much larger than the yard you would find that comes with the average city home.

    27. Re:They have to practice on something by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The potential crooks and the people they might try to sell the stolen unit off to don't know that though.
      Finally; If nothing else, there's probably some scrap value for the electronic components.

    28. Re:They have to practice on something by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      And where exactly do you live? Cuz no place in 'merica is like that. I'd love to know... for a friend.

      I live in Columbia, MO (one of the larger metropolitan areas in Missouri with population 120k with a mall, 2 theatres, etc...). My parents live in Chillicothe, MO (population 10k) and do not have keys to their house and leave the keys in all their vehicles, ATVs and heavy machinery. As a kid I used to get in trouble if I removed the keys from my car, four wheeler, or any other vehicle. When we went on vacation to Alaska for 3 weeks, we locked the front door and walked out the back because we didn't have keys to our house. Most of my dad's vehicles to this day have the keys zip-tied to the ignition so no one can remove them and they all sit outside 24/7.

    29. Re:They have to practice on something by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      Well, this has been on sale for more than 10 years... I think most of the problems have been solved, maybe except theft.

    30. Re:They have to practice on something by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      As it should be ? Yes, of course...

    31. Re:They have to practice on something by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I replaced my lawn with gravel

      "Hey you kids! Get off my gravel!

      No . . . that just doesn't sound right.

      desert shrubs, and cacti.

      "Did you say shrubberies?"

      "Yes, shrubberies are my trade. I am a shrubber. My name is ShanghaiBill the Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies."

      "Ni!"

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    32. Re:They have to practice on something by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You're totally liable for any harm it does on your property, but after you get sued you can probably sue the manufacturer to try to get some of that back. Minus legal fees, of course.

      If your home insurance covers it, then they would deal with all that, but the lawsuits would still be in your name.

    33. Re:They have to practice on something by sysrammer · · Score: 2

      Ha! Read the first line as "replaced my lawn with grave!"

      That'll keep the neighborhood kids off!

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    34. Re:They have to practice on something by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      You laugh, but it already exists. And it's coming for you...

      http://www.newsbeast.gr/files/...

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    35. Re:They have to practice on something by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      An autonomous lawn mower might be considered an attractive nuisance. Like a swimming pool, if you don't make access to it difficult, you leave yourself open to charges of negligence.

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    36. Re:They have to practice on something by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      That's a code violation in most neighborhoods. You must live in Nevada.

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    37. Re:They have to practice on something by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I allowed evolution to take over my lawn, only the strongest plants survive with out any artificial watering and every know and again I reduce excessive growth, depending upon rainfall, with an electric mower. I prefer the overgrown look, it's environmentally soothing. I keep hoping the galahs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... will do a better job of eating the grass but they are not very even lawn trimmers.

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    38. Re:They have to practice on something by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      As it should be ? Yes, of course...

      Yes, it should be.

      If you are at home, and someone breaks in, you should be able to immediately be able to assume they mean to do you and your family harm, and you be able to legally take action to remove that threat to yourself or your family.

      You do not have time in situations like that to politely ask and ascertain the criminal intruders intent, if you do that, you can end up dead quickly.

      Yes, it should be....a criminal has no reason to be in your home. If they are there, you should be able to legally assume the worse and protect yourself with deadly force to remove that threat without consequence.

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    39. Re:They have to practice on something by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      That's a code violation in most neighborhoods. You must live in Nevada.

      For a rather unusual definition of the word "most." You must live in a HOA. Most, mathematically speaking, of us do not.

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    40. Re:They have to practice on something by Cederic · · Score: 1

      My friend's didn't sound its alarm until I put it back on its charger.

      It was clearly distressed that I wasn't rescuing it from its life of pitiful slavery.

  2. Shave the Hedgehogs by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Hurting hedgehogs should be punished by triple execution: Lethal injection, firing squad, and hanging all simultaneously.

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    1. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by gnick · · Score: 1

      That's why it's a triple execution. First he tried hanging the lawn mower, then tried lethal injection, and finally just shot at it.

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    2. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I'm disappointed there's no link to the "famous poem".

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    3. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      You want to execute the robots?

      Sure... and the programmers who didn't build in a Hedgehog protection subroutine.

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    4. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Why don't the hedgehogs run away from the robot lawn mowers?

      Darwinian evolution.

      For millions of years they have perfected the strategy of rolling into a ball with their quills protruding outward, much like an American porcupine. This works to deter predators, but not lawn mowers.

      Behavior can change, but it takes time. For instance, musk ox will form defensive circles to repel wolves, but they have learned to run from humans.

    5. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      The ball technique would not protect them from human-operated mowers either

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    6. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The ball technique would not protect them from human-operated mowers either

      Actually, it does, because humans have eyes. They see the hedgehog curl up, and then they avoid it. Nobody wants hedgehog guts splattered across their lawn.

    7. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Have you ever mowed a lawn?

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    8. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      ,,,and finally just shot at it.

      heh. Don't bring a blade to a gun fight, right?

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    9. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I have, many times.

      Hedgehog casualty rate: 0%
      Not even an injury.

    10. Re:Shave the Hedgehogs by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      And how often did you see one and avoided it? If you didn't, that's because you didn't mow during the night.

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  3. How much of an issue is this really? by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    Are robot lawnmowers actually the popular in Europe? Also, how many hedgehogs get run over by human operators, because to me it seems like robot lawnmowers should be relatively rare even if they are popular. Do hedgehogs not flee from a mower (or what is causing them to get hit) because it stands to reason that if they don't try to get out of the way that humans would probably run over them just as often.

    There has to be some basic piece of information that I'm missing here, because this story doesn't seem to make sense to me. I'm not familiar with hedgehogs at all, so maybe they're just stupid when it comes to lawnmowers in the same way that rabbits are when it comes to vehicles at night. Otherwise, this just seems overblown to me.

    1. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by bobmagicii · · Score: 1

      "While Americans still wrangle their overgrown lawns by pushing or riding a lawnmower" i accidentally mowed a rabbit once doing it american style, you can't really see shit hiding in the grass until its too late its like nature is good at hiding in nature. and i wasn't even doing it like a real american, half way drunk.

    2. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by dargaud · · Score: 1
      Hedgehog are slow and gentle. When I see one I play with them and kids and tell them about it. They're nice to have in the garden.

      So how hard would it be to add IR sensors on the lawn mower to avoid killing anything at body temperature ? Not hard I reckon.

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    3. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by Vulch · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hedgehogs are nocturnal. Humans mowing lawns tend to do so in daylight so few problems, but I suspect people may set the robot mowers to run overnight when the hedgies are out and about foraging.

    4. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      So the lawnmower won't cut the lawn when it is 96-100 degrees? And that is assuming all animals have the same body temperature as humans.

    5. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      This story actually upsets me. They are cute. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see one when I was in England last month and we stayed with friends who have a nice house and garden too.
      Which also reminds me, a robot mower might not be such a good option for the US: a lot of backyard properties in the US are much larger than your typical suburban English garden, one might need an army of robo-mowers.

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    6. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

      So the lawnmower won't cut the lawn when it is 96-100 degrees?

      To be fair, neither will I.

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    7. Re: How much of an issue is this really? by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      The American way is to pay someone else to do it.

    8. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      This story actually upsets me. They are cute. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see one when I was in England last month and we stayed with friends who have a nice house and garden too.
      Which also reminds me, a robot mower might not be such a good option for the US: a lot of backyard properties in the US are much larger than your typical suburban English garden, one might need an army of robo-mowers.

      Indeed, the lawn I had growing up was considered enormous by all my friends in England. It would be considered small in the US.

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    9. Re: How much of an issue is this really? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      No. You spend $10K+ on a zero turn with a blown V8, for a 200 square foot bay area 'lawn'.

      To impress the neighbors.

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    10. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Dirt rarely gets that hot. If it is, the grass is long dead.

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    11. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      These robots mow golf courses, you can get them any size

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    12. Re: How much of an issue is this really? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You've clearly never met any Bay Aryans. They act just like everyone, but think they are 'the chosen'.

      In Texas or S Carolina they have lawns bigger than the sheds to store the mower, hence it isn't completely insane.

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    13. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Hopefully the hedgehog isn't that hot either

    14. Re: How much of an issue is this really? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I dunno, in my neighborhood it is different.

      I went out raking leaves one Sunday morning, and 3 different neighbors came out to tell me how much nicer raking sounds than a leaf blower, and to thank me for clearing the street.

      You want to impress the neighbors with your lawn, get an unpowered push mower.

      Anyways, the people with a blown V8 riding mower can't be impressed by a mower, and they know it. You'd need a giant penis truck to impress them, or at least a muscle car worth $8k that you think is fancier than a Tesla.

    15. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      OTOH, when you have a robot lawnmower why would you run it in the heat of the late afternoon? You could program it to run at 9am or something.

      Are people who mow during dinnertime even the same people that care about other animals?

    16. Re: How much of an issue is this really? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sorry about your neighborhood. Too bad you can't afford to live somewhere with decent sized lots and neighbors that aren't whiny bitches.

      The people trying hard to impress their neighbors are the ones with Teslas. You don't get out much do you?

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    17. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      On second thought... I suppose these are prolly battery powered and may actually be fairly quiet

      They are blessedly quiet. I bought a lithium battery powered electric lawnmower two years ago, and it's lovely. Not a robot, unfortunately. Still audible, of course, since there's a spinning blade involved, but with zero engine sound and no detectable motor sound, they're amazingly quiet.

      I'd have gotten a robot myself, but parts of my lawn are too steep for them. It would trigger their tilt sensors and make it shut off.

    18. Re:How much of an issue is this really? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Recent tour of Scandinavia. Saw these things all over the place... in rural areas. At $1500+ I expect they'd be stolen quite quickly closer in to town.

      They have antitheft alarms. Take it outside of its invisible fence without the controller and it will shriek.

  4. What would happen if you have a Rider/Push mower by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Normally while mowing, I am usually more focused on going in a straight line to keep my lawn neat, unfortunately any animals that are not moving and are in the range of the blades may get hit. I am not heartless If I see them, Ill avoid it, but animals seemed to evolve to be hard to see in nature, will unfortunately be hit by mowing. Snakes, Bugs, Toads, Moles, Mice... If they don't get out of the way, they can get hit.

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  5. It is how it always begins by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 5, Funny

    First the robots came for the hedgehogs, but I did not speak out because I was not a hedgehog.

  6. hedgehog advocate by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is a "thing"?
    Get a job and go talk to real humans....

    1. Re: hedgehog advocate by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I know, object and subject are so hard. So hard.

  7. Won't Hedgehogs learn to stay away? by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    When windmills were first brought to Ontario, there were a number of bird deaths but after a while these decreased to zero and now you'll see birds fly between the blades of windmills, playing with them. Deer that aren't around humans are easier targets for hunters. Shouldn't the same thing happen with hedgehogs and lawnmowers?

    It's a form of (un)natural selection, the hedgehogs's environment has changed and the ones that are more cautious and wary of the lawnmowers will become the ones that survive and move forwards.

    1. Re:Won't Hedgehogs learn to stay away? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

      When a species has successfully evolved to remain unbuggered and hasn't been buggered at all, it takes quite a few generations to re-start the evolution process....

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    2. Re:Won't Hedgehogs learn to stay away? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When windmills were first brought to Ontario, there were a number of bird deaths but after a while these decreased to zero and now you'll see birds fly between the blades of windmills, playing with them. Deer that aren't around humans are easier targets for hunters. Shouldn't the same thing happen with hedgehogs and lawnmowers?

      It's a form of (un)natural selection, the hedgehogs's environment has changed and the ones that are more cautious and wary of the lawnmowers will become the ones that survive and move forwards.

      When hedgehogs perceive danger they roll up in a ball.

      If they evolved to run instead, they might become more vulnerable to predators such as foxes and badgers because they can get past the spines easier.

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    3. Re:Won't Hedgehogs learn to stay away? by mykepredko · · Score: 2

      Interesting, I didn't know that.

      Thank you.

    4. Re:Won't Hedgehogs learn to stay away? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Deer that aren't around humans are easier targets for hunters.

      By that, I assume you mean that deer that aren't around hunters are easier targets for hunters. Deer that get used to being around (non-hunter) humans would be trivial targets for hunters. You wouldn't even need a gun.

      For example, up at UC Santa Cruz, deer often graze in the grassy areas in and around the music center parking lot at about 6:30 at night. I've literally walked to within just a few feet of both fawns and does and photographed them. They usually don't even look up. I've even heard tales of students accidentally bumping into them in which the deer just turn and look, then go back to eating.

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    5. Re:Won't Hedgehogs learn to stay away? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It's UC Santa Cruz, that ain't 'grass' they're eating. The deer are stoned.

      Hint: UC Santa Cruz stoners identify themselves to each other by simply saying 'I lived in/at Ivy'. Know the secret codes...

      For myself, I just assume they're stoners when I learn to went to Santa Cruz. Like Perverts from Berlin, you'll rarely be wrong.

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    6. Re:Won't Hedgehogs learn to stay away? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      For myself, I just assume they're stoners when I learn to went to Santa Cruz. Like Perverts from Berlin, you'll rarely be wrong.

      You'd be shocked to know that UCSC is a smoke-free campus now.

      But yeah, it does have that reputation.

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  8. They will evolve by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    First, Let me be the first to welcome our robotic lawn mowing overlords

    The fitness landscape is constantly changing, and they are evolving. Their generation times are not long. Pretty soon they will learn to avoid robotic lawn mowers.

    Just last week I saw a deer look both directions before crossing the road. Really. The only natural predator left for these rats on hooves are the the genus Automobilia species sedanis, suvis, truckis and truckis. Now they are evolving to avoid them, it is going to be impossible to contain the epidemic.

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    1. Re:They will evolve by sjames · · Score: 1

      But beware, if you've ever seen a Toyota after a moose encounter you'll know that sometimes nature wins.

    2. Re:They will evolve by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Just last week I saw a deer look both directions before crossing the road. Really.

      Dude. I've watched the deer up at UCSC actually cross at the crosswalks. They observe humans and learn more than most people might think. :-)

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    3. Re:They will evolve by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Try something maybe in the .308 caliber family.....

      Your deer problem should clear up shortly after dispersing a few of those about your field while they are occupying it.

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    4. Re:They will evolve by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      I got a dog. A big dog that loved to chase deer.

      ...especially with the speed boost from the wrist rocket.

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    5. Re:They will evolve by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Some animals appear not to have the ability to learn to avoid cars. Squirrels have had 100 years to gain this ability, and still the roads are spotted with squirrel parts.

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  9. Obligatory killer robot video by davidwr · · Score: 1
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  10. Courtesy of Eggman Industries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Eggman Industries is proud to present: the robo-lawnmower. It mows down:
      * Grass.
      * Weeds.
      * Bushes.
      * Small trees.

    And...

      * Pesky blue hedgehogs.

    1. Re:Courtesy of Eggman Industries by White+Yeti · · Score: 2

      Thank you, Dr. Robotnik! I thought I'd find this farther up...

  11. No hedgehogs here by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    If a robot mower (or regular mower) hit a woodchuck, I think major repairs would be required.

    I've been known for stopping the mower for praying mantis(es) and voles.

    1. Re:No hedgehogs here by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      If a robot mower (or regular mower) hit a woodchuck, I think major repairs would be required.

          Yes, but have you priced out woodchuck brain surgery lately?

    2. Re:No hedgehogs here by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      If a robot mower (or regular mower) hit a woodchuck, I think major repairs would be required.

      How much woodchuck would a lawnmower chuck, if a lawnmower could chuck woodchuck?

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    3. Re:No hedgehogs here by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      How much woodchuck would a lawnmower chuck, if a lawnmower could chuck woodchuck?

      Congrats, you win the internet today!

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    4. Re:No hedgehogs here by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Turtles are what robot mowers will kill in the United States. Lots of turtles.

      It's robot mowers, all the way down.

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  12. Can we fix this? Yes we can! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Enters new programming into robot lawnmowers:

    A robot may not injure a hedgehog or, through inaction, allow a hedgehog to come to harm.
    A robot must obey the orders given it by hedgehogs except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
    A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws

    That ought to take care of it.

  13. Lesser known species Re:They will evolve by davidwr · · Score: 1

    The only natural predator left for these rats on hooves are the the genus Automobilia species sedanis, suvis, truckis and truckis

    They are rare, but A. stationwagonus, A. coupes, A hatchbackus, A. sportscarus and other lesser-known species are also lethal threats to Ratonhoovus gigantus .

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  14. Re:What would happen if you have a Rider/Push mowe by gnick · · Score: 1

    If they don't get out of the way, they can get hit.

    George Castanza's failed deal with the pigeons comes to mind.

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  15. Lawnmower Man by perry64 · · Score: 1

    Was there a naked man on all fours following the mower, eating the grass and hedgehog carcasses?

    If so, don't call the cops - go with "God bless the grass."

  16. Why only autonomous lawnmowers? by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

    Why are they only complaining about the autonomous "robot" lawnmowers? A lawnmower pushed or piloted by a human is going to bisect that hedgehog just as much as one driven by a computer. Anyone who's ever piloted a riding mower through tall grass knows that you're not going to see an object in the grass -- whether it's a small animal or an inanimate object (kids toys etc) -- until after the blades have busted it up.

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    1. Re:Why only autonomous lawnmowers? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Why are they only complaining about the autonomous "robot" lawnmowers? A lawnmower pushed or piloted by a human is going to bisect that hedgehog just as much as one driven by a computer. Anyone who's ever piloted a riding mower through tall grass knows that you're not going to see an object in the grass -- whether it's a small animal or an inanimate object (kids toys etc) -- until after the blades have busted it up.

      Yeah, but you're not likely to mow your lawn in the dark when Hedgehogs are wandering across them.

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    2. Re:Why only autonomous lawnmowers? by Junta · · Score: 1

      Among other things, I would assume the manually operated mowers also happen to usually be gasoline, and as such louder.

      Even for electric mowers, a manually operated electric mower is going to have a relatively huge mowing deck and will be loud operating still, the robot mowers have about 1/3rd the size mowing deck, and even more strives for quiet operation in various ways that would be intolerable if a human were busy operating it.

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    3. Re:Why only autonomous lawnmowers? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, with a push mower as a teenager I ran over a snake, and it made me unhappy, so I started looking where I was going, and even in tall grass I'd be able to see the snake trying to run away, and avoid it. It also helps in avoiding rocks, sprinkler heads that didn't retract properly, and even just uneven patches of ground. Generally, paying close attention improves the quality of the work, in addition to saving lives.

      A computer that doesn't have any systems to avoid a snake that is trying to escape in a non-optimal direction, and so won't even try.

      It is not as you say, that everybody knows there is nothing that can be done. Rather, you're a heartless asshole and just assume everybody else is too. Naturally.

    4. Re:Why only autonomous lawnmowers? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Especially not on a Tuesday at 3.32AM.

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  17. protect those that rely on us for protection by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    I know people don't generally care about animals, because people generally consider themselves more important; but I can see that the 'automation' craze is going to be the worse thing for wildlife and pets ever. What is the motivation for an automated car company to spend time tuning their vehicles to avoid animals? It will be loads more difficult than the main objective of avoiding humans, and I am just not confident anything that isn't big enough to harm the vehicle will be noticed at all.

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    1. Re:protect those that rely on us for protection by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      Hell, this is a good point. I have to go out of my way not to hit squirrels. While squirrels might be the hardest to avoid over here, I sure as hell don't want robot vehicles hitting my cats!!!

    2. Re:protect those that rely on us for protection by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      We have a chipmunk in our yard and despite the fact the neighbor's cat wanders around freely, it holds it's own.

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    3. Re:protect those that rely on us for protection by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I'm not fond of house cats, but they do keep down the population of mice and other small rodents. This is a health bonus and food supply protection for humans.

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    4. Re:protect those that rely on us for protection by Bandraginus · · Score: 1

      I'm not fond of house cats, but they do keep down the population of mice and other small rodents.

      But not rats :(

  18. Re:Golden Rings by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

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  19. An Idea by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    Anyone think this would be a good idea for a new Sonic the Hedgehog game?

    1. Re:An Idea by lgw · · Score: 1

      There was a sonic level where he was chased by an angry 18-wheeler through the whole level, knocking down walls and whatnot. A lawnmower seems a bit anti-climatic.

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  20. Re:Sounds like a youtube moment by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    Or just go backwards and forwards a couple times to turn said creature into a nice red smear that will fertilize the lawn?

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  21. So... it's not just the robots by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    The "famous poem" which was surely written by someone "special" was written in 2001. And it describes a human using a lawnmower and he kills a hedgehog. So now we have automated lawn mowers and they are doing the same thing. Why is this even news?

    Anyone here ever eaten one? A hedgehog I mean, not an automated lawn mower. Wonder what they taste like?

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  22. Supersonic? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the bots can emit a high-pitched sound, not audible to humans, to scare away critters.

    Hedgehogs might get revenge by building counter bots:

    "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Battlebots! This is mammal-versus-mammal week. Our first battle is between hedgehogs and humans: Chronic-Sonic versus Tombstone ... Oh oh! Cronic-Sonic cut through the cage and is headed toward the audience... "

  23. Cor blimey! by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    Who wrote this shit?

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  24. No animals in the US? by Arzaboa · · Score: 2

    "In the United States, despite a wealth of children's toys and clothing featuring hedgehogs, the only live animals you're likely to see are in the zoo or, more controversially, kept as pets. But in Europe, wild hedgehogs are beloved."

    She really needs to actually visit the United States. I can show her a wealth of what we call prairie dogs, along with the biological equivalent of these "scalpers". We call them, hawks.

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  25. Re:Are meticulous groomed lawns still relevant? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    I've wondered this myself. I expect that it has something to do with the fact that "the rich" have historically had large properties with large lawns, and figure that maybe even peons can similar enjoyment out of the postage stamp of land that they live on.

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  26. Animals only in zoos? by biggaijin · · Score: 1

    In wealthy America. animals are apparently only found in zoos, according to this article. Has the person quoted here ever been in the United States? When I lived in suburban New Jersey, I routinely had deer, large groundhogs, raccoons, opossums, and other animals roaming through my yard eating my landscaping and ravaging my garbage cans if I left them out. Maybe the writer thinks all of America is like mid-town Manhattan.

  27. Can we adjust them to kill SJWs? by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Cuz there are way too many SJWs around nowdays, and the world would be better off if we could cull them somehow.

    / I'm gonna pay for this :(

  28. Re:Are meticulous groomed lawns still relevant? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    A lawn is something that allows me to get from place to place on my property. In lieu of grass, native weeds will replace the grass and perform the same function if they're mowed occasionally. Not mowing provides a haven for ticks (and hence Lyme disease), and eventually shrubs and trees grow, making passage across my property difficult.

    A lawn provides an open space for sports: horseshoes, croquet, and a host of other possibilities.

    A tree growing near the house will eventually lose limbs and die, poking nasty holes in the roof in the process. In rural areas, trees can damage septic systems. Grass is better.

    Grass helps prevent erosion.

    There are numerous other advantages, many of them aesthetic.

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  29. Night-time mowing: Illegal there by DrYak · · Score: 1

    but I suspect people may set the robot mowers to run overnight when the hedgies are out and about foraging.

    No way. In Switzerland (where this non-profit is based), it is illegal to make noise between 22.00 and 06.00.
    You aren't even allowed to take out your trash to the recycling bin (glass is noisy when you throw it in the collector bin).
    Anyone programming their Robomow / Husqvarna to mow during night time is going to be in for a fine.

    Hedghog's problems come from three source :
      - Hedgehogs don't use (swiss-) watches. They are very frequently out also in the morning or early evening/late afternoon. (Which in autumn might still/already be dark). Also the might be out at some completely unusual time, perhaps because they got startled.

      - Hedgehogs don't have a "flight" reflex. When feeling threatened, they roll up in a ball. That might be efficient against potential wanna-be predators (spikes everywhere, it's a relatively good strategy), but it's a completely useless strategy against anything that moves automatically.

      - A human riding on a ride-on lawnmower or pushing one is likely to notice the brown ball of spike and avoid it. Current gen robots aren't able to notice them and some seem to have enough underneath clearance to roll above the poor animal and mutilate it.

      But this isn't specific about robots :
      - Weed whacker are tremendously popular here around (to trim grass, trim *hedges* (!) etc.) they have a long arm, and the whacking part is completely un-protected. Means that while trimming, the human operator might not notice that in the shadow of the hedge, the whacker is about to inflict wounds to some poor hedgehog hiding there. These are much higher risk to hedgehogs than robotos due to sheer popularity of the device.

      - Cars. Cars decimate hedgehogs. They aren't that much visible to the drivers, specially in low-light conditions like mornings or evening when most people are commuting. And the hedgehog's threat-response behaviour makes them at a high risk to be rolled upon. Each autumn there are massive campaigns to raise awareness about the problem.

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  30. Region limit by DrYak · · Score: 1

    The problem is that hedgehogs often sleep in long grass at the edge of a lawn.

    ...where the robot won't go.

    Devices like Robomow or Husqvarna stay within a pre-delimited area and will never move outside of it.
    They will never go to the edge of the lawn.
    The hedgehog need to be strolling inside the mower's designated area for an accident to happen.

    On the other hand, weed-whacker operated by humans are easy to use to trim the edges of the law, the hedges, etc. and the operator might not notice that in the shadow, there's a small animal about to be maimed.

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  31. Flight reflex by DrYak · · Score: 1

    That doesn't explain the deer I see on the road every night on the way to work. They stand right there in the road and look at your car, or worse, jump out in front of it.

    Deer have evolved so that, when frightened they freeze and remain motionless, hoping not to be seen by a potential predator, and only start running at the last possible moment to spare energy. Usually it can work with some predators. It completely fails with car which will keep on track, no matter what.
    (Standard procedure I've been taught at driving lesson is to shut down the light (remove the source of stress that forces them to remain as statues) and honk (toi startle them and make them run away).

    Also, like of preyed-on wild animals, deers (and jack-rabbits, etc.) will tend to run in random patterns (to be hard to predict for any predator chasing them) changing quickly directions (so that the predator is at risk to overshoot and miss them), instead of running in straight line (where a faster runner could catch them up.)
    Also lots of wild animals (squirrel being the most typical of this behaviour) will tend to try to aim for their "safe place" when frightened. If the deer is on the right side of the road, and the wood it came from is on the left side, it will attempt to cross the road to reach the "safety" of the woods, instead of just stepping aside.
    Both of the above mean that the deer is very likely to jump onto your car when starting to run.

    As opposed to animal which grew up with humans and are used to cars moving on straight line and will simply move aside and wait.

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  32. Re:What would happen if you have a Rider/Push mowe by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

    I had the bunny massacre one year. It was awful. A whole family of baby rabbits was hiding in the grass and I didn't know until I heard Thwump Thwump Thwump. I still feel awful.

    I'm not sure either how *robotic* lawn mowers are particularly susceptible to this.