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US Voter Records From 19 States Is Being Sold on a Hacking Forum, Threat Intelligence Firms Say (zdnet.com)

Catalin Cimpanu, reporting for ZDNet: The voter information for approximately 35 million US citizens is being peddled on a popular hacking forum, two threat intelligence firms have discovered. "To our knowledge this represents the first reference on the criminal underground of actors selling or distributing lists of 2018 voter registration data," said researchers from Anomali Labs and Intel471, the two companies who spotted the forum ad.

The two companies said they've reviewed a sample of the database records and determined the data to be valid with a "high degree of confidence." Researchers say the data contains details such as full name, phone numbers, physical addresses, voting history, and other voting-related information. It is worth noting that some states consider this data public and offer it for download for free, but not all states have this policy.

102 comments

  1. Duh by Tulsa_Time · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is worth noting that some states consider this data public and offer it for download for free

    So why not make it clear in your headline what % of the data is not public before getting all excited...

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    1. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


        what % of the data is not public before getting all excited...

      Pretty much 0%. The states that don't give it away free offer it for sale. Politicians want to get re-elected, so they want to analyze the voter data to do so.

    2. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you're not going to over react, please don't post.

    3. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why not make it clear in your headline what % of the data is not public before getting all excited...

      Even more confusing, the headline says "voter records", the firms are first quoted saying "voter registration data", and then later quoted saying "voting history"

      Is it voter records or voter registration records?
      Is the voting history *actually* voting history, or voting registration history?

      Some states may very well provide registration info or list which ballots are voted in, but actual votes and voting history is required to be absolutely confidential under any circumstances.

      Note that the ZDnet article uses these terms, slashdot just repeated them, although there is something to be said for trying to be better than that...

      I'm assuming due to the lack of any decent official response, no actual voting results are included and they only show which elections were voted in.
      (Some people only vote in primaries for example)

    4. Re:Duh by bobbied · · Score: 1

      AC, I so wish I had mod points today...genius!

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    5. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well this is true except when a panel commissioned by President Trump to review voter irregularities asks the States for the data and they refuse to cooperate because it is Trump.

      I guess the panel should just have gone and bought the data from the dark web.

    6. Re:Duh by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Colorado offers SOME of the data for free. I do not see it on there.
      The voting data is the interesting part. It tells you how active somebody is (not who they voted for).

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    7. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How the fuck is this public info? Anyone can view your voting history? Is the USA a banana republic?

    8. Re: Duh by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Informative

      How the fuck is this public info? Anyone can view your voting history? Is the USA a banana republic?

      Voter rolls (name and contact info) are public in most states. Additional data available is usually what elections you voted in, and in some states what primary ballot you pulled. These are usually restricted to campaign and other political uses by state law (marketers, not working on political issues, are usually barred from using it, for example).

      Note that how you voted (i.e. who you voted for) is not recorded and not part of any record.

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    9. Re: Duh by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      In some states it's public info for free. Others charge. This is partly so political parties know who votes, and partly because it's much easier for third parties to confirm there's no banana republic stuff with the voter rolls.

      My current state makes it public record. Here's a link to my city's entire electoral role, including who voted when.

    10. Re: Duh by Tulsa_Time · · Score: 1

      I recently ran for office...

      My state election board offers a spreadsheet of all registered voters and the last 5 dates they voted.

      Names, addresses, party, living at each address.

      Not who they voted for... just that they voted.

      Candidates can use this to target the voters that are most likely to vote in an upcoming primary for example...

      There are apps that provide canvasing lists of high value voters.

      The R and D parties also have their own lists, likely partly derived from this data.

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    11. Re:Duh by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      "Voting history" does not mean who you voted for, it means which elections you voted in. It is public in every state, altho they generally charge for the records. That's how school board candidates know whether to bother you or not.

      Wh you voted for is not retained in any electoral file anywhere.

    12. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they misunderstood. In my state, they sign you in but don't mark the ballot with identifiable info. They just hand you a folder with the blank ballot inside. Since people vote and scan their sheets at random intervals, they can't track it well even if the ballots are serialized (I don't recall)...at least it would be difficult.

    13. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How active" somebody is voting is also public information. In fact, everything the state records about you with regards to voting is by definition public information available to anyone who asks for it.

      The most valuable asset of any campaign or PAC is their voter file. Often worth so much that campaigns and parties rent them out to other campaigns. There is zero to see here, just clickbait.

    14. Re: Duh by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The last few election cycles, the Pennsylvania GOP has been targeting democrats and non-voters in Republican heavy areas by sending out threatening letters containing a list of your neighbors, who they registered for, and if they voted, and threatening to send the neighbors similar letters after the election if you don't switch parties and vote.

    15. Re: Duh by youngone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please note A/C that in many US states voters also have to register their party preference.
      It is one of the many, many little ways the Republicans and Democrats keep their cosy little duopoly going and prevent the people of the US from having any real choice about who rules them.

    16. Re: Duh by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Link?

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    17. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh good, glad to see they are catching up to the Democrats.

    18. Re: Duh by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

      In most places it is public information, which through FIOA requests have been made available. My county, for example, sells it for $146. That's 4,000,000 records on the county voters.

      You can also go to the HAVA site to get information from any state or the 3,000 or so counties: http://voterlist.electproject.org/

      I would like to make my information private so I stop getting robocalls and massive amounts of flyers for various elections, but the only way to do that is not vote.

    19. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      legitnews.dnc.com

      Don't foregt to upvote, like, and subscribe.

    20. Re: Duh by illiac_1962 · · Score: 0

      Done.

    21. Re: Duh by illiac_1962 · · Score: 0

      Until I tie it to some public Facebook data with my python scraper. Yawn. No one has any idea how much their privacy has dried up.

    22. Re: Duh by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      This smells of secret lists and entirely fake voters. Better it remain public, you sneaky fuckers.

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    23. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My state requires you to register as R or D to vote in the primary.

      Registering is public information, so I'll never vote in a primary, even though I always vote straight-ticket.

    24. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Literally none of those articles supports your assertion about who is responsible. In fact, they literally say nobody knows. It could be anybody, including someone totally unaffiliated to who you accused.

    25. Re: Duh by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      Dodgy as all hell!

    26. Re: Duh by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be dnc.cn?

    27. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can see who voted, not how they voted. Also, registering to vote also registers you for jury duty.
      The most effective piece of political lit I've ever seen was a piece put out by one of the larger unions in WI, it was personalized to everyone and showed them if they had voted in the last 3 years elections as well as a random selection of 10 other neighbors up to 2 blocks away and if they had voted in the last 3 years elections as well. In America typically there are spring and fall elections every year for different offices at the municipal, county and state levels, typically the only ones that get any attention are the federal level ones, when some of the most effective things you can do to actually improve your current situation are going to be done at the municipal and county level by either direct legislation change via public petitioning, removal of inept or corrupt aldermen and county board members, mayors, trustees etc. as in most of the country nobody cares about these seats as they typically don't pay anything, but some local businessman and his buddies can screw everyone over by stacking the muni and county board to give themselves all kinds of public funds and deregulation to do whatever they want as they are the law at that point.

    28. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can buy data from sources like Facebook, Google etc to figure out people's political leanings, the voter rolls show you if they actually go out on election day, more often then not they only do so in a presidential election year, not in the rest, most don't even realize that there are 2 elections every years, spring and fall for other levels of government which are often more important to your state party than the president who is largely irrelevant compared to the congress and senate.

    29. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's more about the fact that voting systems are being hacked for fun and profit.

    30. Re: Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are mistaking AC for AC. AC posted the claim. Then AC posted links. Then you assumed AC was AC.

      Turns out it was you all along, ain't that right AC?

  2. They is? by Type44Q · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Records is getting sold, is they?

    1. Re:They is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (In a deep Cockney accent)
          "Andy Capp, is that you?".

    2. Re:They is? by fleabay · · Score: 1

      Yes they be.

  3. Whitepages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure why this matters. You could just get this data from the whitepages in the past. Name and address big whoopee. Every junk spam snail mail you get has your name and address.

    1. Re:Whitepages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What matters is that we have something else to blame on Russian, and then act like they are doing it for Trump. It makes great press, the networks eat this stuff up.

  4. "history" may be misleading by xaosflux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Keep in mind, that the "voting history" in the summary is easy to sensationalize. In most cases it only means you were issued a ballot, and possibly for mail-in ballots that you returned it. No state has a history of what actual voting selections were made.

    1. Re:"history" may be misleading by bobstreo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Keep in mind, that the "voting history" in the summary is easy to sensationalize. In most cases it only means you were issued a ballot, and possibly for mail-in ballots that you returned it. No state has a history of what actual voting selections were made.

      You hope.

    2. Re:"history" may be misleading by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind, that the "voting history" in the summary is easy to sensationalize. In most cases it only means you were issued a ballot, and possibly for mail-in ballots that you returned it. No state has a history of what actual voting selections were made.

      You hope.

      I know.... Seriously. The "Secret ballot" will remain so and unless you can somehow infer from the precinct results and list of who voted a specific ballot that was cast (Say for instance, EVERY vote cast was the same in a precinct, and YOU voted, so I can determine how you voted). But those situations are extremely rare. If you vote in a precinct where the votes cast isn't unanimous, you are safe from exposure of your unique vote.

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    3. Re: "history" may be misleading by davide+marney · · Score: 3, Informative

      I know. I am an election official in Virginia. We're not idiots. Of course your vote is private.

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    4. Re:"history" may be misleading by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      It's pretty much impossible to collect that data. Your identifying data isn't anywhere on the ballot or machine.

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    5. Re:"history" may be misleading by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      Your identifying data isn't anywhere on the ballot or machine.

      In a vote-by-mail state, your identifying data is on the envelope that contains your ballot. You TRUST that the election officials do not enter this data when they scan your ballot --- it is in a machine readable format so could be OCRd easily.

      This is the system that Wyden wants implemented for the entire country.

      When I voted in a "show up and vote on a paper ballot" system, there was a strip of paper on each ballot that contained the ballot number, which was recorded in the electoral rolls when it was given to you. You could see the election official remove that strip (after verifying the number against the number recorded next to your name) before your ballot joined the others in the box.

    6. Re:"history" may be misleading by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      In my state the ballot is sealed in an envelope inside the one you mail in, which by law cannot have your identity on it. It gets thrown out if it does, which is why it has got big, bold letters telling you to not write anything on it. The mail in envelopes are opened under supervision of election judges from both parties, and the ballot envelopes are deposited into containers, taken to a different room, opened, and counted (again under supervision of election judges), so it would take a pretty solid conspiracy by the county clerk and both political parties to break that privacy. Even if they did, where would they record it? Everything is official, public record. They aren't going to keep some secret database of mail in voters. That would, inevitably, get discovered.

      As for the ballot ID, as you said, it was removed from the ballot before being counted.

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    7. Re:"history" may be misleading by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      The mail in envelopes are opened under supervision of election judges from both parties,

      Which is why I said that you have to trust that they don't record the information. All of the description you provided is how they operate so that they create this trust.

      As for the ballot ID, as you said, it was removed from the ballot before being counted.

      No, it was removed from the ballot before it was mixed into the box with the other ballots, and I saw it happen with my own eyes. Counting took place after the polls closed. If they had waited until "before counting" then I would have to trust that it was being done.

      Do you not understand the difference between "know" and "trust"?

    8. Re:"history" may be misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I think in all vote by mail states the ballot is in a separate envelope that is then opened separately when votes are counted. There is no realistic way for anyone to connect someone to a particular ballot much less create a database of how everyone voted.

      Vote by mail is far more secure than polling place balloting. For one thing, each voter's signature is matched against their registration. The one argument against it is that its possible for someone to "supervise" how someone votes. But there is no evidence of that every actually happening.

    9. Re:"history" may be misleading by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      The mail in envelopes are opened under supervision of election judges from both parties,

      Which is why I said that you have to trust that they don't record the information. All of the description you provided is how they operate so that they create this trust.

      As for the ballot ID, as you said, it was removed from the ballot before being counted.

      No, it was removed from the ballot before it was mixed into the box with the other ballots, and I saw it happen with my own eyes. Counting took place after the polls closed. If they had waited until "before counting" then I would have to trust that it was being done.

      So they counted them before they mixed them? Otherwise, pretty sure I'm still correct. Also do you not trust yourself? You witnessed it.

      Do you not understand the difference between "know" and "trust"?

      Just like you have to trust the local coffee shop not to serve everyone cyanide, or your mailman to not plant bombs in your mailbox. The odds of recording your vote info from either of the scenarios you mention is astronomically small. It's because we don't trust them that checks are put in place. If you can't trust anyone, well, you're screwed anyway. It would require vast conspiracies, involving tens of thousands of people, from polling places to county offices, to state office, and across the federal government, spanning across decades of time to keep it secret. So, I stand by my original statement: "It's pretty much impossible". Prove me wrong.

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    10. Re:"history" may be misleading by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      There is no realistic way for anyone to connect someone to a particular ballot much less create a database of how everyone voted.

      It is easy to do that. You take the incoming envelope and scan it on one system to bring up the stored signature on the display to validate it. You press OK. You remove the ballot from the "secrecy envelope" and scan it on another system. Oops, the systems are interconnected behind the scenes so a data collector can collect your ID from the first system and then how you voted from the second.

      I am NOT saying that this happens. I'm only pointing out that it is quite possible to do this.

      Vote by mail is far more secure than polling place balloting.

      Bullshit. First, you spread valid ballots out to the four winds and hope that only valid voters get their hands on one. With a polling place you validate the voter before you hand them a ballot. Second, once the ballot gets to someone, they can mark it as they please, or they can order someone else to mark theirs the way they want it marked in a way that they can verify that the order was complied with. With a polling place, you go into a booth away from everyone else and cast your vote, so even if someone tries to coerce you into voting their way they cannot verify that you have, or have not, done so. (Note that the verified coercion issue is a problem that every "verification of electronic vote" system has to deal with. If it is important for those systems, it cannot be irrelevant to by-mail voting.)

      You hand-wave away this issue by claiming nobody has ever done it. Well, if someone else has sufficient power over you to coerce you vote on election day, they will still have that power the day after, and the day after that, and you will still suffer the consequences if you turn them in. And there have been people here who have reported personal knowledge of employers coercing their employees, so yes, it has been reported.

      Third, when someone returns their "by mail" ballot the free way (which by law must exist, otherwise you'd have a poll tax) it can sit unwatched in a box in a location open to the public. For a polling place, there are people who watch the boxes until they are locked away out of public access.

      Fourth, the only validation of any ballot by mail is the signature, which can change over time or due to transient circumstances. (I broke my right wrist a few years ago -- why should that prohibit me from voting?) At a polling place you see a physical person who can present ID to prove who they are if there is any question.

      Vote by mail is a godsend to anyone who doesn't care about vote fraud at all. It is not more secure than in-person voting in any number of ways.

    11. Re:"history" may be misleading by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      No, it was removed from the ballot before it was mixed into the box with the other ballots, and I saw it happen with my own eyes. Counting took place after the polls closed. If they had waited until "before counting" then I would have to trust that it was being done.

      So they counted them before they mixed them? Otherwise, pretty sure I'm still correct. Also do you not trust yourself? You witnessed it.

      I said they count them AFTER THE POLLS CLOSE, which is long after the ballots are put into the box. How you get "before they mixed them" from "after the polls close" I do not know, but it has to be either a complete lack of reading comprehension or a deliberate attempt at misinterpreting what I actually said.

      Yes, pedantically, the strip is removed "before being counted", but that's only because the strip is removed before the ballot goes into the box. Just "before being counted" implies that it is removed after the ballots come back out of the box. Otherwise, you'd say it was removed before it went into the box -- which is what I said happens. So, if you wait to remove the strip until they are being counted, then NO, I do NOT see the strip removed with my own eyes. I have to TRUST that it was removed.

      Just like you have to trust the local coffee shop not to serve everyone cyanide,

      If the person in front of me doesn't fall over dead when he takes a drink from his coffee, I can be very certain they are not serving everyone cyanide. Further, there is no financial or political motive for them to do that. They gain nothing and have everything to lose. It is also something that anyone who buys coffee there, or interacts with someone who has bought coffee there, can easily detect. That means it is not "just like", there is a different level of trust needed. Don't be stupid by trying to equate outright murder of thousands of people with recording vote data.

      The odds of recording your vote info from either of the scenarios you mention is astronomically small.

      It is not astronomically small, and it not impossible as you claimed.

      It would require vast conspiracies, involving tens of thousands of people,

      There are not tens of thousands of people packed into every election office during the counting of by-mail ballots. At most ten for many offices. You vastly over-estimate the number of people involved, which makes your argument disingenuous at best. Bye.

      Prove me wrong.

      Already done. I've already given one easy method of doing it that could be missed by even a dozen observers.

    12. Re:"history" may be misleading by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      "I know.... Seriously." So, you have paid $42,000 and actually went over this information coming from these hackers? Unless you personally have looked at THESE FILES that TFA is talking about, you do NOT know.

    13. Re:"history" may be misleading by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Oh I see: you are mental. Ok bye.

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    14. Re: "history" may be misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buh-bye, have a nice trip!

    15. Re:"history" may be misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call BS.
      Once the ballot is in the mail, the USPS has it under their control. Unless you are suggesting that the USPS is going to have its minions gather all the ballots and fuck with them.
      The signature used for verification is on the out side envelope which is validated in a secure location. The validated ballots are sent to a separate room, with different people who open the outer envelope and send the inner security envelope down the line. A automated device then removes the ballot and stacks it for counting by machine.

      The rooms are glass walled with pole judges from all political parties, city, county and state officials watching.

    16. Re:"history" may be misleading by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm pretty sure about this, no I don't have the data.

      IF you want to prove this assertion wrong, go GET the data and do it. However, the law of this country is pretty clear on this so if you find information on actual votes cast by an individual, any individual, a crime has been committed that needs to be investigated and somebody needs to be charged and convicted for it.

      Now I've not seen anybody charged for this kind of thing and you know it would be HUGE news if it happened, so I'm about as sure of my claim as I am that the sun will rise in the east this morning. (Even though I may not see it because its raining cats and dogs here.)

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    17. Re:"history" may be misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is absolutely no need to take such steps. All that is required is simple logic. My name isn't on my ballot, therefore who I voted for is not tied to my name. QED. Think before you post.

  5. Everything is a "hack" now. by geekmux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "US Voter Records From 19 States Is Being Sold on a Hacking Forum...It is worth noting that some states consider this data public and offer it for download for free, but not all states have this policy."

    Why am I willing to bet that 19 states do have this policy, turning this "hacking" story into nothing more than clickbait?

    We used to get pissed when "hacking" was mislabeled or misunderstood. Now we're just pissed that no one has a fucking clue what a hack is anymore because everyone is labeling every stupid little thing as hacking. Found a shortcut to work? You "hacked" your commute. Used a microwave instead of the stove? You "hacked" your dinner prep. Downloaded free public information? You "hacked" the voting public.

    Enough of the "hacking" shit already.

    1. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Well everything is "AI" now, so this fits in. I am developing a "hacking AI". It scans networks looking for vulnerabilities. Totally innovative. I call it nmap.

    2. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Well everything is "AI" now, so this fits in. I am developing a "hacking AI". It scans networks looking for vulnerabilities. Totally innovative. I call it nmap.

      I'm developing a hacking tool that trains AI with machine learning to break blockchains. And it has a VR/AR UI.

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    3. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I'm opening my checkbook now. Just tell me the number to write.

    4. Re: Everything is a "hack" now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dr evil grin: 1 millllllion dolarssssssss

    5. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by bjwest · · Score: 2

      Well everything is "AI" now, so this fits in. I am developing a "hacking AI". It scans networks looking for vulnerabilities. Totally innovative. I call it nmap.

      I'm developing a hacking tool that trains AI with machine learning to break blockchains. And it has a VR/AR UI.

      Phtttt. Unless you're creating a gooey interface in Visual Basic, you ain't hacking shit.

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    6. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I think you mean you used R with the AI packages.

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    7. Re: Everything is a "hack" now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Mini-me you complete me..."

    8. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      ...AI ...machine learning ...blockchains. ...VR/AR UI.

      SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

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    9. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by the_skywise · · Score: 1

      But are you sending that AI to college?

    10. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...AI ...machine learning ...blockchains. ...VR/AR UI.

      SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

      Not yet. GP needs to incorporate IOT (internet of things) before it's a killer app.

    11. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only to get laid. The learning can be had from ebooks and other online resources.

    12. Re:Everything is a "hack" now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can this get a +5 billion?

  6. Rigging by politicians - Brian Kemp; child abuser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Georgia, the Secretary of State - the dude in charge of elections - is running for Governor and hasn't resigned his job as Secretary. He is also actively holding up the registration of thousands of black people. FYI, he's the redneck that held a shotgun to a kid.

    His name is Brian Kemp. He is a liar, a crook and a child abuser - holding a shotgun to a child is assault with a deadly weapon.

  7. No need to worry by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 2

    No need to worry. I have marked them all deceased and returned them to their source.

     

    1. Re:No need to worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't they have some kind of handbook, or something?

  8. BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No state considers "voting history" to be public knowledge and lets you download it for free.

    It's a fucking SECRET BALLOT.

    1. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Voting history" means which elections you've voted in, not who you voted for. No state has access to that nor would they keep it if they did.

    2. Re:BS by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      These are voter records, not voting history.
      This is often your name and your address, which polling place you are registered at. Perhaps additional info, such as your age, and perhaps your signature, or picture.

      However with this info + with general election results from a polling station. You can probably get a good picture on who to target and with what.

      If you live in an area that voted 90% republican in your polling location, and it knows that you voted at that location. Then chances are you had voted republican, and are more acceptable to republican propaganda, vs democrat propaganda. So you will be targeted with words such as patriotism, and freedom. vs targeted words such as responsibility and liberty. They may be pushing the same agenda but will word it in ways that will make you feel more comfortable about it, vs hearing the other way which fills your heart with dread.
       

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    3. Re:BS by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      In states with party registration your registration is also in the public voter file. If they've got voter history they also generally get which years you voted in the primaries, which will give anyone who knows the state's politics a very good way to figure out which way you lean.

    4. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the primaries, I "lean" whichever way needs the most help to not choose a total nutjob (instead of the usual partial nutjob). I guess that's why I got a hilarious survey (filled with the most thinly-veiled loaded questions) from the RNC in the mail last year. They're counting on me to represent their interests in my community!

      Actually, I think I voted D in the 2016 primary and I'm not a member of any parties, so I don't know why they sent me that very official looking pile of BS questions. Probably not that many voters of their persuasion in these parts so they just have to guess.

  9. Re:Duh - FYI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All run by the same individual, and s/he has a system in place with which someone can get their name(s) removed from the lists.
    also offers the raw data files so individuals can build their own systems.

    https://arkvoters.com/
    https://coloradovoters.info/
    https://connvoters.com/
    https://delawarevoters.info/
    https://flvoters.com/
    https://michiganvoters.info/
    https://ohiovoters.info/
    https://oklavoters.com/
    https://rivoters.com/

  10. Left Wing Logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Trump helps to restart the coal industry."

    Nazi scum!!!1111!!!! He'll be the Death of us ALL!!!!!!!!!1111!!!

    "Scientists agree that reducing meat is the needed to stall global warming"

    Fuck teh science!! Meh MEATS!!!!!! People Eating Tasty AnimalS!!!Q Vegans are Phaggots!!!!! From my cold dead fingers!!!!!

  11. That's nothing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Years ago mysterious any powerful entities used to publish a list of nearly every American's telephone number and address! They even used to just dump these publications on everyones doorstep!

    I believe they used to call it "The white pages". No idea if this is a racist term or not, but it probably was.

    1. Re:That's nothing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to get a set of "yellow pages" too.... Those Chinese where sure crafty.... Racist scum!

  12. Better headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phone Book for sale!

    This special edition has little Rs and Ds hand-written next to some people to show their party affiliation.

  13. Any excuse at all will do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you do the sensible thing when you can blame HACKERS!!!!!1!

    These are commercial "cyber security threat analysis intelligence" firms, after all. They can't sell with sex, so they'll do anything to whip up a good scare.

  14. heavy red states by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Amazing how nearly all are red states.
    I wonder why that is?
    In addition, the DBs are from this year due to updating. That means they have plenty of backdoors in the systems.

    I hope that you red states can afford to have your ID and credit stolen.
    Perhaps, you will finally back E-verify for real on all businesses.

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    1. Re:heavy red states by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      That means they have plenty of backdoors in the systems. .

      Backdoors? You can just go download it from many states. It's not considered private info. When I was involved with local politics I used to download the county records several times a year, straight from the county clerk's website. No login or anything. Just a pinky-swear and threat of prosecution if you used it for unauthorized purposes (like non-political marketing).

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    2. Re:heavy red states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all public information available from each Sec of State's office. No backdoors necessary.

    3. Re:heavy red states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:heavy red states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing how nearly all are red states.

      Someone is engineering a smallpox virus and want to find a common denominator for Trump voters.

    5. Re:heavy red states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing how nearly all are red states.

      I wonder why that is?

      The empty rural areas are red because of the xenophobes, likewise the outskirts of the high population centers are red due to gerrymandered districts to get enough red seats to control the state senate and assembly. County and Muni seats have similar, yet more easily flipped seats if you are smart, because nobody and I mean nobody but the wonks pay attention to them even if they vote in the off presidential elections twice a year.

      Captcha = Revolts

  15. Re:Rigging by politicians - Brian Kemp; child abus by bobbied · · Score: 1

    Oh boy, really?

    Where I have no idea what the facts actually are here, I'm going to make two guesses (let me know if I'm wrong.)

    1. Brian Kemp is ahead in the race.

    2. There is a legal reason each these registrations have been held up/rejected which is clearly defined in the laws of Georgia.

    As to the allegations of being a child abuser, these need to be investigated by the police. If there is sufficient evidence to charge he needs to be charged, otherwise, this is nothing more than political mud slinging by the opposition who is likely behind and has no choice but to go low..

    Now, I've made my predictions based on years of observing political campaigns. Am I right or not?

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  16. Re:Rigging by politicians - Brian Kemp; child abus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it because they are illegal aliens?

  17. Party Primary Voting too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my state, they keep track of which party's primary you voted in too. That is also public record, for a $250 price and agreement that you won't misuse the data, pretty please.

    The primary you vote in is the real win for political parties. But the name, address and that you showed up to vote are useful for anyone. If you showed up, that probably means the name matches the address.

    I go to great lengths to never provide telephone or email numbers to any govt entity, so if anyone ever attempts to contact me using those methods, I know they are frauds.

    Had someone call a few months ago claiming to be "the new landlord" asking where the rent check was. I started laughing and couldn't stop. Haven't paid rent in 20+ yrs. Haven't paid a mortgage in 15+ yrs. These fraudsters are so funny. And they didn't know our name or address. Idiots.

  18. Wisconsin population 5.8 million... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wisconsin's population is only 5.8 million; this claims 6 million records... and Wisconsin publicly states there are 3 million registered voters.
    Methinks this data is not entirely what people would expect. Much of it is publicly available with some simply googling.

  19. "For" free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "some states consider this data public and offer it for download for free"
        Not "for free", just "free". It's not "for" anything. It's just free.

  20. 2.5 cents per name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what they charge at voterlistsonline.com, 2.5 cents per name.

    And it includes "voting history", i.e. which elections a person voted in.

  21. Explain why it's for sale on the dark web then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's a non-story as "geekmux" wants to insist without evidence, why is this data up for sale (and being sold) for thousands of dollars on the dark web if it's public data? A: You're a fucking moron.

  22. Red states = illiterate angry white boobs = target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because of course they target low-information Republican retards for their disinformation campaigns, it's entirely the target demographic : Morons who can't read critically = Red State boobs. There's no mystery there.

  23. diagram the headline sentence by swschrad · · Score: 1

    records are. record is.

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  24. Re:Red states = illiterate angry white boobs = tar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who doesn't know that all of this info is already publicly-available is the real "low-information" types. Yes, I'm pointing at you.

  25. NO U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kid, if you weren't so full of yourself you'd hear that whooshing sound way way way above your head.

  26. Re:Rigging by politicians - Brian Kemp; child abus by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    Kemp is not especially ahead in the race. Both candidates are around 46 percent in the latest polls.

    The bit about holding a gun on a kid is a claim related to a TV ad Kemp himself aired. He had a shotgun on his lap and a kid, apparently the boyfriend of one of Kemp's daughters, in an adjacent chair. All of this was in Kemp's own ad and isn't disputable.

    The claim is that he pointed the gun at this boy and that equals child abuse. He did not point the gun AT the boy in the ad that aired. It was pointed past the boy, not AT him. Not really even close. Thus the whole claim of child abuse is easy to disprove. However, as a gun safety nut, it irks me to see Kemp treating his gun as a joke, and he almost certainly DID aim it at people on the film crew in the process of making the ad. I find that offensive, stupid and a demonstration of awful behavior and poor judgement. But it wasn't child abuse.

    All of that said, there are plenty of other things about Kemp that deserve to be investigated. He's running another ad where he claims to have pulled strings or something similar to get an organ transplant for a sick child. He's right there admitting he played favorites and pressured insurance companies to do what he wanted. It's right there IN his ad. He brags about it. This should be a scandal. Nobody cares.

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  27. Re:Rigging by politicians - Brian Kemp; child abus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He had a shotgun on his lap and a kid, apparently the boyfriend of one of Kemp's daughters, in an adjacent chair.

    I haven't kept up with American politics but what issues does this guy campaign on? Violence and nepotism?
    It what world is what you described good optics?

  28. Re:Rigging by politicians - Brian Kemp; child abus by bobbied · · Score: 1

    So I went and looked.. RCP has this race at about 3% edge for Kemp, so I was right on #1. You don't address #2 and you totally missed my point about the child abuse claim. In the child abuse thing, I'm saying INVESTIGATE and charge him if necessary, but until that's done, shut up about it because it really smacks of political mud slinging which isn't very effective in the long term and turns off about as many voters on both sides at best and carries huge risks for the mud thrower should the claims look petty (and in this case, they do). My prediction is Kemp wins with somewhere north of 5% margin maybe as high as 10%, so get used to it.

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