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Intel Launches 9th Generation Core Processors; Core i9-9900K Benchmarked (hothardware.com)
MojoKid writes: Intel lifted the embargo veil today on performance results for its new Core i9-9900K 9th Gen 8-core processor. Intel claims the chip is "the best CPU for gaming" due to its high clock speeds and monolithic 8-core/16-thread design that has beefier cache memory (now 16MB). The chip also has 16-lanes of on-chip PCIe connectivity, official support for dual-channel memory up to DDR4-2666, and a 95 watt TDP. Intel also introduced two other 9th Gen chips today. Intel's Core i7-9700K is also an 8-core processor, but lacks HyperThreading, is clocked slightly lower, and has 4MB of smart cache disabled (12MB total). The Core i5-9600K takes things down to 6 cores / 6 threads, with a higher base clock, but lower boost clock and only 9MB of smart cache. In benchmark testing, the high-end Core i9-9900K's combination of Intel's latest microarchitecture and boost frequencies of up to 5GHz resulted in the best single-threaded performance seen from a desktop processor to date. The chip's 8-cores and 16-threads, larger cache, and higher clocks also resulted in some excellent multi-threaded scores that came close to catching some of Intel's many-core Core X HEDT processors in a few tests. The Core i9-9900K is a very fast processor, but it is also priced as such at $488 in 1KU quantities. That makes it about $185 to $225 pricier than AMD's Ryzen 7 2700X, which is currently selling for about $304 and performs within 3% to 12% of Intel's 8-core chip, depending on workload type.
Is it really going to be any faster after inevitable microcode and OS patching to address gross security flaws?
Wow, for a flagship chip, with the i7-9700K lacking HyperThreading Intel must *finally* be starting to be concerned about security. Guess performance isn't everything when you can get p0wned. =P
They haven't had time to fix Spectre and Meltdown, I think I'll pass.
"The chip also has 16-lanes of on-chip PCIe connectivity" - this actually sounds EXTREMELY low. And here I am, on a CPU with 40 lanes, and a chipset that provides another 5... in a system that is several years old. This sounds like a massive downgrade. Though, most people I guess only populate 1 slot for the GPU nowadays, and nothing else. Consumer 10gbe isn't quite there yet. Add-on sound cards have gone to the wayside (onboard audio is still shit quality in comparison, but since people only listen to low bit rate streaming MP3s anyways, I guess it doesnt matter!?) The only thing I question is the NVMe craze right now, and how this chip will be able to keep up with that, since most recent ones are usually PCIe (though some are DIMM socket now as well)
Thank god for AMD. Intel faces stiff competition once again and still charges 50% more for a 10% faster CPU. Remember the days before good competition? The P66 was introduced at $1000 in 1k quantities back in '94, which is about $1800 now. I mean even the terrible P4s were being sold at a premium (ok using dubious means, but still).
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Currently I have:
1 x 16 lane graphics card
1 x 4 lane USB3 controller (four independent USB controllers)
1 x 1 lane USB3 controller
As a result GPU currently only able to use 8 of 16 lanes on my circa 2013 i7. Here it is 5+ years later and NOTHING has changed.
No way will I be spending money on a new CPU with only 16 lanes.
No way will I be spending money on a new CPU without ECC memory.
No way will I be spending money on a new CPU without security bugs fixed.
No way will I be spending money on a new CPU that does not officially support my operating system.
Beastly 28 core Xeon W-3175X, obviously targeted at AMD's 32 core Threadripper 2990WX, which you can buy right now on Amazon for $1,720. I'd like to know Intel's price, I guess it's not remotely close.
Note that with these top heavy core counts you always get lower clock frequency because of bus contention. Not a stopper by any means, if you have the use case. But personally I'm a lot more interested in the higher clocked 16 core AMD parts, specifically the 2950X, $900. Slightly higher cost per core but clocked about 10% higher. Boost frequency 4.4 GHz, the technical term for that is awesome.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
That's $304 per SINGLE AMD processor, $488 per if you buy a thousand units of the Intel. Unless you're building a thousand computers this makes no sense to compare, and even then, the cost of the AMD processor goes down at those volumes too. This reveals a stupid level of bias in this article.
I'd buy one, but it won't run Windows 7.
and don't get any further. To make good use of the micro code bugs you usually need root/admin. And if somebody's got that you're already boned.
Spectre/Meltdown are a problem because they enable a bunch of exploits that let you get out of a hypervisor and into the host OS. If you're in a data center that's a huge deal. If you're a gamer it's, well, not.
You'll notice that there's been no gaming apocalypse. No massive class action lawsuits because of lost performance. And no big exploits. No big wins from AMD tied to better security. Spectre/Meltdown turned out to be a nothing burger for desktop users. Enterprise is a different kettle of fish, but the i9 is desktop chip.
That said, if money is at all an object during a build the Ryzen 2700 is the chip to go with. You can get one, with a board and cooler for $350 bucks on newegg right now as I type this. Worst case It's about 17-24% slower than the i9 but it's literally half the price. I'll keep my $350 bucks and spend it on a better GPU.
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Is that a joke, or are they serious?
So one single decent GPU can't even be fully fed, if you would also like any other type of IO??
The Ryzen at least has 24. And Threadripper a whopping 64!!
If that does not outweigh their single core performance in practical applications, I'll eat my hat^WIntel CEO.
Oh, and any reason single core performance matters more in gaming, is solely due to developers optimizing for the low-thread-count consoles, and do shitty lazy ports later. As soon as commonly used consoles start having that many threads, that problem will quickly vanish. No developer will waste a core, given how low-end consoles generally are.
Don't forget NVMe.
And I wonder if SATA, SuperIO, the onboard sound and the other PCIe slots are supposed the share a single lane?
This is supposed to be for high-end gaming rigs, they tell us. So 2 GPUs and NVMe and USB3 should be supported at the very least.
16 lanes ... There is a Risitas video about that: https://youtu.be/ozcEel1rNKM
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While you are so busy developing top speed CPUs for gaming, could you remember once in a while to release something new for the few of us who still have to spend their life *working* ?!? Thank you...
those extra 3% makes all the difference when you run the benchmark.. and that's what matters. The fact that you're paying $200 to get scalped and won't notice anything in day-to-day usage means little. People basically just wrag about how they paid the highest price for whatever they're getting.
I'm not a gamer, but I suspect that games are sold and will work on both Intel & AMD CPUs but are generic binaries. This means that the vendors will have used compiler options so that they work on both, but that means that they might work faster on one. I have seen instructions generated that test which CPU & run these instructions or those ones. How much does that favour one CPU type over another ?
Threadripper offers 128 PCIe lanes and support for ECC memory.
So again can't really raise the bar in performance any other way these days but slap a few more cores on. This is pretty much why PC sales are flat. Nobody see's much in the way of real speed improvements. Its all about reducing chip size, lowering power consumption in mobile's or adding more cores to spread out same old speed limitations.
I'm not a gamer, so I'm prepared to be flogged for my ignorant question. This is advertised as "the best gaming CPU". But at any resolution over 1080p every modern title is GPU bound. Every benchmark I've seen at 1440p or higher shows absolutely no difference in frame rate between this CPU and one that costs 1/2 as much.
So my question is: who spends $580, on the CPU alone, to build a gaming PC that only plays at 1080p? I understand that 1080p is the most common gaming resolution, but for people spending that much on a CPU I'm going to guess it is most certainly not.
So what is the point? Why would this ever be the choice for a gaming CPU? Why wouldn't you spend $200 less on a CPU and put that money into a better GPU or monitor, if you really wanted "the best gaming" PC?
So the i7 is now what used to be the i5 series but with i7 prices, and the new i9 is i7 at a new higher price range?
The subject is not "things"; it, being "the list", is what keeps growing.
One of the reasons I write on social media is that the subconscious mind doesn't convey its knowledge in straight lines.
Maybe some people don't know this, but the five stages of grief model (formally Kübler-Ross) was basically a brilliant conversation starter. Constructive ways to talk about loss, grief, and death are relatively thin on the ground. Its half-century zeitgeist tenure was well deserved.
But the model itself is far from a physical constant of the universe, so I wasn't surprised that I got a memo from my subconscious mind right after pressing submit "you know, most people think this is a five stage model; it could even be that the only response your post gets is correcting four to five, and nobody even notices the central point."
Me to my subconscious: tell me about it.
I'm generally a stickler for precision when there's something to be precise about, but the "five" in five stages of grief functions as what linguists call a "bound lexeme". We've gotten into the habit, like the five senses (which are still the five main exo-senses, even though we've now added things like proprioception as interior senses; the bigger argument with "five" senses ought to involve its total exclusion of the entire category of wufullness—e.g. telepathy, premonition, and private messages from God about your true path in life, transmediated via the as-yet unidentified theochlorians, smack dab in the middle of the colour green, within a spectrum formed from a whole new photonic vibratory node physicists have yet to discover, though there's a flagrant clue in one of the 10^500 string theory universes, if we would just sit down and do the work).
My lexical mind still knows the difference between four/five stages of grief, but my semantic mind departed from this niggle long ago.
Then you see articles in major publications with headlines blaring: "The 12 reasons we should abandon the 5 stages". And suddenly the light dawns: Lego porn: it's a thing.
Oh, how that little number up front tickles our desire to stack conformable plastic bricks.
We used to think that young human males were particular prone to falling down antisocial rabbit holes, such as video gaming.
That was before we discovered social media. Now we know that young women fall down antisocial rabbit holes every bit as easily. As ever, men and women are mirror images, though often with the battery reversed.
In my first post, I pinned Lego porn onto a geek sub-tribe, implicitly male. My bad.
* The Five Love Languages
* 5 Ways Your Relationship Changes After Someone Cheats
etc.
All this appeals to a specific sub-tribe of cultural stereotype 'stress kitten'.
So some publication writes up a study of how psychopathic personality types are discovered to be very good as passing themselves off as thoughtful, introverted wallflowers on eharmony.
And of course this immediately triggers the stress kitten version of the 4.5 stages of grief, covered over by a think foam topping of wankette creme: "oh, but this isn't the boy I'm chatting with, because I don't go into those dark corners (because my desktop computer never runs porous security containers chock to the brim with malignant JavaScript downloaded from hither and yon)".
Yeah, right, sweetie pie. I guess that works for you.
I can hardly wait.
Fuck Intel.
They lied to us for 15 years about their collusion with the NSA to usurp freedom worldwide. They lied for 10+ years about the security and speed of their processors.
Intel owes us money.
Intel should be disencorporated.
Fuck the NSA. Fuck Intel.
You consider the NSA's dll backdoor in windows2000 a win for us???
Eat shit NSA employer!
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There's still some theoretical exploits. They require incredibly precise timing and are unlikely to ever be used. Maybe if I was in a high security environment I'd worry about it. I'm playing video games. If the KGB or the CIA decides they want access to my Street Fighter V profile I'm pretty sure they'll find a way to get it with or without spectre/meltdown. Jokes on them, I suck.
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