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New Study Claims Data Harvesting Among Android Apps Is 'Out of Control' (techspot.com)

A new study from Oxford University revealed that almost 90 percent of free apps on the Google Play store share data with Alphabet. "The researchers, who analyzed 959,000 apps from the U.S. and UK Google Play stores, said data harvesting and sharing by mobile apps was now 'out of control,'" reports TechSpot. "'We find that most apps contain third party tracking, and the distribution of trackers is long-tailed with several highly dominant trackers accounting for a large portion of the coverage,' reads the report." From the report: It's revealed that most of the apps, 88.4 percent, could share data with companies owned by Google parent Alphabet. Next came a firm that's no stranger to data sharing controversies, Facebook (42.5 percent), followed by Twitter (33.8 percent), Verizon (26.27 percent), Microsoft (22.75 percent), and Amazon (17.91 percent). [I]nformation shared by these third-party apps can include age, gender, location, and information about a user's other installed apps. The data "enables construction of detailed profiles about individuals, which could include inferences about shopping habits, socio-economic class or likely political opinions."

Big firms then use the data for a variety of purposes, such as credit scoring and for targeting political messages, but its main use is often ad targeting. Not surprising, given that revenue from online advertising is now over $59 billion per year. According to the research, the average app transfers data to five tracker companies, which pass the data on to larger firms. The biggest culprits are news apps and those aimed at children, both of which tend to have the most third-party trackers associated with them.

97 comments

  1. "Could" share data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Omg, so free apps on the Google Play Store "could" share data with Google. Do you think apps on the Apple Store "could" also share data with Apple? The outrage!
      Those free app developers should be ashamed of themselves!!

    1. Re:"Could" share data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't free if they require anything in return. Please stop using that word dishonestly.

    2. Re:"Could" share data? by AlwinBarni · · Score: 2

      I do not think that diverting attention to Apple is the answer.

      Uncontrolled data collection about citizens seems to be a problem, it might be nothing, but it might as well erode slowly into a police state - face recognition, voice recognition, even recent study on mood recognition. The general public does not realize the power of big data, and how much they reveal about themselves by in their mind insignificant activities.

      Convenience is a powerful tool, we carry with us willingly position trackers, microphones, cameras, sometimes bio-data trackers with not much control on whether they are off or on.

      With evolving political landscape, where media earn salaries mostly from ads, who will watch the watchers?

  2. Nobody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody cares until money is taken away from them. Politicians will only do something when their money dries up.

    1. Re:Nobody by leehwtsohg · · Score: 1

      I care.

    2. Re:Nobody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are nobody.

      Most people don't care. That's because most people are stupid. People smart enough to know why they should care are in the small minority.

      Maybe that is changing a bit after the whole Facebook fiasco. Maybe.

      I use a dumbphone. It's great! It has talk, text, calendar with reminders, notes, alarm, stopwatch, calculator, etc. Everything I actually need and more; without all the data harvesting (apart from what the cell carrier does via tower triangulation, which all cell phones do, but the overwhelming majority of privacy-violating data harvesting is gone). The hardware will last a lot longer, and it was about 30 bucks including shipping.

      Winning.

    3. Re:Nobody by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      You care, well stop using Google products as much as convenient. DuckDuckGo is better than Google search, there is a whole planet of mail servers so fuck Gmail, mock Youtube by hosting you content across multiple platforms and buy nothing of Google, nothing. They ask you opinion on any survey, lie and taint the survey. Simply fuck Google and punish them, don't treat with Google employees, work for the evil digital empire, well fuck off them. Provide the company no services, need a contractor go elsewhere, we don't deal with the digital empire of evil.

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    4. Re: Nobody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do this but I can't find a good self hosted calendar sync replacement to replace googles calendaring cloud services. All calendar programs sync to it. Any suggestions?

      Oh and contacts too..

  3. "Control" by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who would think that it would be "under control" to begin with? Android is primarily a data-gathering platform for Google. Always has been. If you're under the incorrect assumption that it's not, that's your fault.

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    1. Re:"Control" by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      When something overtly evil done by a small amount of people (Google in this example) disproportionately victimizes a much larger amount of people (all Android users and everyone who knows an Android user, or anyone who knows someone who knows someone who knows an Android user in this example) you have to really seriously be warped, both morally and intellectually, to be able to convince yourself that the majority party is the one at fault.

    2. Re:"Control" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android is permission-based, and the ecosystem converged to apps requiring tons of permissions (even non-Google apps) and users gladly accepting those permissions. Android wasn't originally a data-gathering platform for Google, we collectively decided that it would be.

    3. Re:"Control" by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Just because a majority does something doesn't make it right or good or smart. A "majority" of Americans eat at McDonald's and shop at Wal-Mart. Does that make it a good idea?

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    4. Re:"Control" by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Android is permission-based, and the ecosystem converged to apps requiring tons of permissions (even non-Google apps) and users gladly accepting those permissions. Android wasn't originally a data-gathering platform for Google, we collectively decided that it would be.

      No, Android was originally developed by another company, it became a data gathering platform the second Google bought it. I don't think that there ever was a moment when Google intended Android to be anything other than the most effective surveillance device in human history. I sometimes wonder what George Orwell would make of Google, Android and the rest of it.

    5. Re:"Control" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who would think that it would be "under control" to begin with? Android is primarily a data-gathering platform for Google. Always has been. If you're under the incorrect assumption that it's not, that's your fault.

      Fault is hard to find in a society who no longer gives a shit.

      This isn't just ignorance that has created this problem. It's willful ignorance. People want free shit, and they don't care what the cost is. This is obvious when people never read EULAs and blindly accept any damn thing an app wants access to. Hell, they still don't believe that they are the product.

      And yeah, it is hard to care about a society that doesn't give a shit anymore. I'm way beyond finding fault or blame. Time to sit down, grab the popcorn, and enjoy the shit show ignorant people deserve. It's like the diet version of the Darwin Awards.

    6. Re:"Control" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the majority believes /. is little more than a SJW sock-puppet Trotsky-slut then they are prolly making a good decision.

    7. Re:"Control" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android doesn't gather any data, Gapps does. You can install a custom firmware or put together your own with the AOSP sources. That's what I do and no Google anywhere to be found on any of my devices.

  4. This business will get out of control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

    1. Re:This business will get out of control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such a gray October...

  5. Sturgeon's Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A new study from Oxford University revealed that almost 90 percent of free apps on the Google Play store share data with Alphabet.

    I don't know why this would be a surprise to anyone who uses the Google Play Store.
    For 4 of the last 5 years I've gotten all my apps from F-Droid.
    Then last year I installed Yalp Store, and suddenly found out a lot more about the Android ecosystem.
    All you people who've been on the Google Play Store already knew the quantity of crap it contains.

  6. Network is open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    The whole issue with Android is the network has no firewall, by default everything gets access to the Internet.

    In permissions it says you are giving the *app* permission, but the app isn't getting permission, the *company* making the app is. The first thing they do is to send all the data you just gave permission for to the parent company's servers.

    And the built in apps get a free ride. On a lot of Android devices these days there is shitload of Google spyware, Microsoft spyware, Facebook spyware, and often some Chinese spyware, all pre-installed, all waiting for you to feed in your data to be sent off to parent HQ.

    I don't put my address book into my Android phone, because I've seen had it under a debugger, and seen all the grabby API calls to immediately send that data off. App's I never used, slurp slurp slurp.

    And you have nothing to hide right?

    You're just a person doing their job, reporting on the latest Presidential lies, no reason why your family and friends and home address should be there for sale to every kook and political operator in the USA, right? This is the USA! WHO NEEDS PRIVACY? I'm sure if some friend of Jareds, wanted to dissect a journalist, the FBI would totally be called in. Nobody would claim "arm deal means the FBI cannot investigate.... meh it was only a few fake news journalists, noone from Fox and Friends".

    1. Re:Network is open by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      The whole issue with Android is the network has no firewall, by default everything gets access to the Internet.

      iptables works in Android the same as it does any Linux operating system.

      iptables can be used to prevent network access from apps (user accounts) you don't want to access the network. Afwall for example is just a front end to iptables and is very much able to prevent access to the network to apps you don't want to have access.

      In permissions it says you are giving the *app* permission, but the app isn't getting permission, the *company* making the app is. The first thing they do is to send all the data you just gave permission for to the parent company's servers.

      User space created for the app to execute in is getting the permission.

      And the built in apps get a free ride. On a lot of Android devices these days there is shitload of Google spyware, Microsoft spyware, Facebook spyware, and often some Chinese spyware, all pre-installed, all waiting for you to feed in your data to be sent off to parent HQ.

      My own personal view it's insane to use an unmodified Android phone with Google play services installed. There are alternatives such as LineageOS which can be configured to at least prevent the OS from stalking you.

    2. Re:Network is open by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      iptables works in Android the same as it does any Linux operating system.

      Yeah - My Grandma uses iptables all the time.

      I've always enjoyed Slashdotters defend Operating System Issues by telling everyone that they have to do things like use ipTables, go into services and dick with registries, open up terminal or command prompts, root their devices, Learn Unix. and on and on and on and on.

      Yeah - you and I can do that stuff. 99.999999 percent of users have no idea of what we are talking about, have no intentions of becoming a power user, so this means nothing at all to them. So a .000001 percent solution is no solution at all.

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    3. Re:Network is open by nnull · · Score: 2

      Please find me a phone that works with LineageOS that allows me to root it and also doesn't get gimped after you root it and install another rom. And also, the phone can't be more than a year old. So far, I have a slightly gimped LGV20 that I use with f-droid only.

      The manufacturers have joined in on all this data gathering madness and and doing everything they can to prevent you from stopping it. Samsung has gimped all their US products from being rooted or force you to wait seven days to even attempt it (If that even works anymore). Sony gimps your camera the moment you root it. LG makes you walk through a minefield, register you on their website before even handing you the key to unlock your bootloader so you can root your phone. The great irony, the Chinese phones are more open for now than all the major brands.

  7. They do not by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you think apps on the Apple Store "could" also share data with Apple?

    No, because Apple does not collect user data, either from built in or third party apps.

    There is literally no way for a third party to forward data to Apple for collection.

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    1. Re:They do not by viperidaenz · · Score: 0

      yeah, it's not like iOS apps have ads or anything.

      wait a minute...

    2. Re: They do not by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Oh my brother - you don't *really* believe that, do you?

      If in fact you do believe it... can I interest you in purchasing some timeshare property on a Florida swa.. er.. beach?

    3. Re:They do not by sad_ · · Score: 1

      They don't need to share with Apple, I'm sure there enough others to share your personal data with.

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    4. Re:They do not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because Apple does not collect user data, either from built in or third party apps.

      Actually you're wrong, and they do.As a base example, see: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-analytics/

      App installs (done serversside), crash data from apps(sent automagically)

      Searches are also recorded, your voice queries (hello Siri!) are also collected and stored.

      Apple collects a lot, you just don't want to hear it.

    5. Re:They do not by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Do you think apps on the Apple Store "could" also share data with Apple?

      No, because Apple does not collect user data, either from built in or third party apps.

      There is literally no way for a third party to forward data to Apple for collection.

      Whatabout whataboutism?

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    6. Re:They do not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do in so much as Google does. Crash reports and usage reports. They both do it.

    7. Re: They do not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have found brother would you ask him if i may have the loops?

  8. no shit by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Analytics and ads and services.
    90% of Android apps in the play store contain the text "google.com"
    That's all they checked. No data was checked, no source code looked at. They searched the APK files for host names.

    What's slightly more concerning is nearly half of them potentially talk to Facebook. You already have a Google account and your phone is already sending data to the Play Store. You already know Google is is collecting analytics from your app on behalf on the developer.
    Why the hell do all these apps need to talk to Facebook?

    1. Re:no shit by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Why the hell do all these apps need to talk to Facebook?

      Most benign reason, they support FB's single-signon.

      And Google, by default, sends very little data to the app store.

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    2. Re:no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely they are using some facebook library that lets them use facebooks (or googles) web interface for some stats.

      The app cares about it's stats, but by extension and to have an easy website the marketing folks are used to that means sharing with facebook too.

    3. Re:no shit by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      None of this is at all surprising. Google provides free tools to gather anonymous stats about app usage, and most developers enable them because it costs them nothing to do so.

      Users seem to like social media integration and app developers know that sharing stuff on social media (e.g. stats from your last bike ride) is free advertising for their app, so build in support for popular networks.

      The link claiming that this allows developers to create profiles of individuals is paywalled. Based on how flimsy their investigation was I'm sceptical.

      Also, you can install a firewall app to block individual apps if you are worried about this.

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    4. Re:no shit by houghi · · Score: 1

      So are they sending data to anybody, or are they not?

      The first part you say that they did not looked into it as they did not look at the source.

      The second part you wonder why they give data to Facebook. How do you know that? Either they did not look in depth and you have no idea if data is send to Google or Facebook, or they did a good job and they know data was send to both.

      Ca't have the cake and eat it too.

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    5. Re:no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, you can install a firewall app to block individual apps if you are worried about this.

      Scenario A: Google uninstalls the firewall app without asking via an update.
      Scenario B: The firewall app itself is also spying on you.

      Either or both of these could happen when we're talking about Android phones.

      Better solution is to install a proper, physical firewall on your home network, set up a private VPN on it, then vow to never EVER connect your phone to a network you do not own, control and/or trust unless you're also doing it through the VPN.

    6. Re:no shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Google stat shouldn't surprise anyone. 88% of free Play Store apps can send data to Google? That's because most of them include in-app purchases or ads, which go through Google. Basically if you're monetizing a free app through the Play Store, you're by necessity sharing information with Google. The 12% of free apps that don't share data with Google are those that aren't monetized, such as apps that only work with specific hardware purchases.

  9. Data sharing... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Informative

    On this note, perhaps Slashdot should start sharing information with themselves about what they posted yesterday.

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  10. Could, can could by raymorris · · Score: 1

    "most of the apps, 88.4 percent, COULD share data with companies owned by Google parent Alphabet ... Microsoft (22.75 percent), and Amazon (17.91 percent). [I]nformation shared by these third-party apps CAN include age ... which COULD include inferences about shopping habits, socio-economic class or likely political opinions"

    Did they do a study, or just get stoned and ponder what COULD happen?

    1. Re: Could, can could by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Probably they just looked at a few libraries from Google that the apps link to. These same apps could instantaneously shut off your phone because they're linked to something in Android that has that functionality built in.

  11. Apple says they do by raymorris · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Apple's web site:

    "We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and ADVERTISING."

    "We may collect and store details of how you use our services, including search queries. ... we may collect data about how you use your device and applications in order to help app developers improve their apps"

    "Apple and its affiliates may share this personal information with each other and use it consistent with this Privacy Policy. They may also combine it with other information to provide and improve our products, services, content, and advertising."
    https://www.apple.com/legal/pr...

    1. Re:Apple says they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow and not the same as scumbag Android apps.

      You just disproved it..

    2. Re:Apple says they do by twdorris · · Score: 1

      Woosh

    3. Re: Apple says they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      these apple fanbois are hilarious in their dellusion

  12. No it will be Jared's Whatsapp friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    The problem with mass surveillance, is, you assume the person watching is the good guy, and the person being watched is the bad guy and it rarely turns out to be true.

    Prince bone saw is a Whatsapp friend of Jareds, Jared was the one that got Khashoggi kicked out of Saudi Arabia media after a bad Q&A at a Trump press conference. Jared is also the one Prince Bone Saw lobbied to fire Rex Tillerson. Jared lost his security clearance after and incident involving lots of CIA of Prince Bone Saws opponents, and a private visit to Saudi Arabia which was followed by a lot of visisection of said opponents.

    So you wouldn't want Jared to have security clearance, and access to journalist surveillance data.

    But they cannot take away Trump's security clearance. You might recall the PP memo? The one that had names of US spies in Russia in it?
    And six days later a bunch of Russians are arrested for 'working for a foreign power'. Obviously, Trump immediately asked for the unredacted PP memo and passed the names over. How else did Russia suddenly have the names of foreign agents 6 days into Trumps presidency?

    Welcome to the surveillance world created by General Keith Alexander.

  13. Ads come from where do you think? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    yeah, it's not like iOS apps have ads or anything. wait a minute...

    *minute passes*

    Yes but not from Apple, and Apple gets no data from the ads. So your point was...

    *waiting another minute*

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    1. Re:Ads come from where do you think? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So instead of the same company you've agreed to share data with (the one who runs the app store you're downloading apps from) you get a bunch of random ad companies in your apps instead, all with varying privacy policies. great, that's so much better.

    2. Re:Ads come from where do you think? by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      yeah, it's not like iOS apps have ads or anything. wait a minute...

      *minute passes*

      Yes but not from Apple, and Apple gets no data from the ads. So your point was...

      *waiting another minute*

      So instead of the same company you've agreed to share data with (the one who runs the app store you're downloading apps from) you get a bunch of random ad companies in your apps instead, all with varying privacy policies. great, that's so much better.

      Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use free apps that have ads in them. How do you think free apps pay for their development cost? With all the good will and happy thoughts you send them for making a free app just for you?

    3. Re:Ads come from where do you think? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      yeah, it's not like iOS apps have ads or anything. wait a minute...

      *minute passes*

      Yes but not from Apple, and Apple gets no data from the ads. So your point was...

      *waiting another minute*

      T%he whataboutism ius strong in this one. SO are you thinking this is a good thing that Android apps are doing? Or better, since The datat sent to Google is less intrusive than thaat collected by Apple? State your mind on the subject, not that Apple is bad and Android somehow is pure as the driven snow.

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    4. Re:Ads come from where do you think? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Nobody is saying the paid apps don't have tracking in them either. The developers will want analytics on how their app is used and if Apple won't offer something to get them that data, they'll use a third party.

    5. Re: Ads come from where do you think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahahahahahahahahaha, you know that ios developers have ad statistics built into their developer consoles?

      I know this because apl has a bug few months ago that displayed a different developers statistics.

      If, as you say, Apl has no connection with ad systems (not to mention i ads), please explain how you think they're getting these stats.

      "No reasonable person would believe " - apl hq.

  14. Not user data by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and ADVERTISING."

    First of all what app would have a referrer URL? Oh that's right, that is for WEBSITE DATA and we are talking about iOS APPS.

    None of the rest of the stuff is data tied to the user in any way. It doesn't change the fact the third party apps have no way to send data to Apple, nor that Apple does not share what data they do collect with anyone else. Thanks for playing though!

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    1. Re:Not user data by Waccoon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      None of the rest of the stuff is data tied to the user in any way.

      Because any company that collects the following, and shares it with business partners, could tie a device to an individual user:

      occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone

      You do understand how Facebook identifies you even before you sign up for an account, right?

    2. Re:Not user data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, the stupid is deep in this one.
      All Apps which report, display, or update have target URLs where the server resides.
      Put the fruit down and step away, wack job fanboi

    3. Re:Not user data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all what app would have a referrer URL? Oh that's right, that is for WEBSITE DATA and we are talking about iOS APPS.

      How many iOS Apps are just wrappers around a website? How many include referrer data?

      None of the rest of the stuff is data tied to the user in any way. It doesn't change the fact the third party apps have no way to send data to Apple, nor that Apple does not share what data they do collect with anyone else.

      You're now arguing that an app that can access the internet cannot send data to Apple? Are you stupid? And what part of ""Apple and its affiliates may share this personal information with each other..." does not include "anyone else"?

      Jesus, what a pathetic apologist. At least argue that the legalize is ass covering and that Apple may have the power do something but it doesn't actually. Don't give me and everyone else bullshit that Apple can't.

    4. Re:Not user data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every app can have a referrer URL. It's built in to all the app stores to tell you where a person who installed your app came from.

    5. Re: Not user data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under your own logic, URLs and Unique device identifiers are websites and... Uhh... Something that is tied to you and your hardware have nothing to do with each other, invalidating that whole list in their eula.

      Woah, how did that get by their location lawyers? :O

  15. I put a firewall on my phone a while ago by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It told me which app wanted to access the network, where they connected to, and the time.

    Most shocking? My flashlight app, which I hadn't used in 6 months, was connecting every 30 seconds or so.

    Needless to say that sucker got uninstalled ASAP, as did a handful of other apps.

    Sad to say I had to uninstall the firewall, it was sucking up my battery like nobodies business. But I haven't installed any apps since then.

    1. Re:I put a firewall on my phone a while ago by antdude · · Score: 1

      You could turn off the wifi and cellular if not needed. That is what I do on my iPhone 4S. Also, it saves a lot battery power. Speaking of iOS, is there a firewall app for it like in v9.3.5?

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    2. Re: I put a firewall on my phone a while ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you recommend the firewall please?For a brief install, it seems a worthy thing to do :)

      Gratefully

    3. Re:I put a firewall on my phone a while ago by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Most shocking? My flashlight app, which I hadn't used in 6 months, was connecting every 30 seconds or so.

      Could someone please explain to me why this needs to be an app? Smart phones have been around for... what... a decade, and we still need "apps" for these kinds of features?

      I honestly don't know, as I don't own a smart phone.

    4. Re:I put a firewall on my phone a while ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My father has a Samsung J5 (2016) which has a built-in flashlight app/button. But it is relatively well hidden -- you access it from the swipe-from-top menu, where you have all those 'disable wifi/bluetooth' buttons alongside it. It's likely that users would instead 'go find an app', as they are used to, than use that...

    5. Re:I put a firewall on my phone a while ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5 years ago or so, when I was using Android, I didn't have a flashlight because I couldn't find one which didn't use the network or tried to access my address book. Even paid ones.

      It's not needed in modern smartphones anymore.

    6. Re:I put a firewall on my phone a while ago by digitect · · Score: 1

      The flashlight app I use turns on the screen, not the camera LED. It allows for custom colors, so I can tune it to an accurate 3200K color from the default 6500K blue most screens are by default when full on (white).

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  16. Google's harm toward users harms Google. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Google is damaging its reputation.

    Allowing cell phone service providers to avoid updating Android is one way Google has been destructive.

  17. THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DOLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DOLL

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING

  18. It's not worse of better, but it is by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    you get a bunch of random ad companies in your apps instead, all with varying privacy policies. great, that's so much better.

    Wow I thought those goalposts seemed kind of heavy, but you managed to move them halfway across the country in no time at all!

    Since the original topic just to remind you, is Apple getting third party app data... which again they do not, as you just admitted while taking about something else for some reason.

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    1. Re:It's not worse of better, but it is by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Since the original topic just to remind you, is Apple getting third party app data... which again they do not, as you just admitted while taking about something else for some reason.

      Apple doesn't want third party data because they already have all the valuable stuff anyway.

      (via their OS).

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  19. RAY MORRIS WAS CAUGHT SPREADING NAZI PROPAGANDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12520486&cid=57184660 LYING NAZI FAGGOT RAY MORRIS CAUGHT DEAD spreading nazi propaganda even after debunked, get a rope.

  20. THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DOLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DOLL

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  21. They know where my house lives ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    luckily they know less about me.

  22. THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DOLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES KEN DOLL

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING..

  23. What do you expect by jabberw0k · · Score: 2

    from proprietary closed-source programs, in a proprietary environment on proprietary hardware? The fact that free software like the Linux kernel is in the mix is irrelevant -- all the other layers cannot be audited. Then because computers are scary, it is called "smart" and named a "telephone" so you think it's safe. Why any computer-savvy person would even want to be in the same room as one of these gadgets -- much less carry one, much less pay for the privilege -- beggars belief.

    1. Re:What do you expect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, as computer-savvy, computers as fun. And smartphones are computers. So, changing /etc/hosts or do in a phone anything you would do in a laptop becomes fun. Just because you can.

  24. Apple is the greatest! So they aren't lying by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Apple is, of course, the greatest company in the world. So I'm sure they aren't lying when they say "we may collect data about how you use your device and applications".

    Being amazing, I'm sure they aren't pulling your leg when they say in App store terms and conditions "You agree that Licensor may collect and use technical data and related informationâ"including but not limited to technical information about your device, system and application software, and peripherals".

    1. Re:Apple is the greatest! So they aren't lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Operative, *may. If you don't go through the System.app and disable such things, you're hemorrhaging information; I don't allow advertising, and when it comes to diagnostic data -- which can be device identifying, I think I've also disabled it as well.

      Microsoft is also this way. Whenever I get a Windows X box, I untick every Privacy setting possible. But unlike Apple's apps, the box is enabled whereas Apple apps request the approval and I often deny it or ask whether it is needed.

  25. If you don't pay for the product by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    it's only because you are the product.

    It's not surprising that this is happening. Software development still costs money. The people that do it are still expecting to get rich or at least comfortably middle class. One way or another you have to bring consumers that expect software to be free, together with developers that expect to make money off the effort.

    So we now find ourselves in a place where we have free as in beer software, and the developers neglect to mention it does everything short of giving you colonoscopy to collect your information.

    You can either act accordingly take what steps you can to protect yourself and enjoy the bounty, or you can get your respective government to crack down on the pactices and watch deluge of free software you have now dry to a trickle.

    You pays for your ticket and you takes your chances.

  26. Re: RAY MORRIS WAS CAUGHT SPREADING NAZI PROPAGAND by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Call 'em out, Comrade Wang!

  27. Omg! Shocking! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never knew! Google! I TRUSTED you!

  28. What's so bad about about ad targeting, exactly? by mark-t · · Score: 0

    I mean, I hate ads as much as the next guy, but I still prefer ads that align with my interests or are relevant to me somehow than those that are not.

  29. Society is out of control. by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...data harvesting and sharing by mobile apps was now 'out of control'..."

    No, apps are not "out of control". A society that gladly accepts this shit is the one out of control. Ignorance has practically begged for the destruction of privacy.

    To the society that has welcomed an Orwellian future, don't bother asking what year it is anymore. It's 1984. It's always going to be 1984, because that's what you want.

    1. Re:Society is out of control. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...data harvesting and sharing by mobile apps was now 'out of control'..."

      No, apps are not "out of control". A society that gladly accepts this shit is the one out of control. Ignorance has practically begged for the destruction of privacy.

      To the society that has welcomed an Orwellian future, don't bother asking what year it is anymore. It's 1984. It's always going to be 1984, because that's what you want.

      Let's stop blaming the victims here, please. There are very powerful forces using... very powerful forces the mainstream adults are only recently starting to become aware of.

      Even as people are seeing proof of just how deep in the quicksand they are, their toys are Trojan horses that came at a price of Addiction and Network effects. Even as rational as they might be, escaping is similar to companies that spend millions of dollars and still fail to permanently escape Oracle-like vendor lock-in. The tendency to knowingly continue in the path of least resistance towards destructive dead-ends is one problem. Another is that... there is NO alternative. Every single non-Google, non-Apple phone out there is failing or found to have some weird spyware or breach-like gotcha, except for the dumb ones. We can't trust the firmware even on those phones, because the laws are build to prevent abuse of spectrum by locking the public out of just Bringing Their Own, and fabricating our own open source hardware is also discouraged by the big powers and impractical. A chip fab can cost millions of dollars just to get started --it's not like you can just 3d print your own silicon at home and design your own own social networks running on your own apps and somehow get all your friends out of the network effect in their own personal Lotus Eater traps even if you managed to escape yours.

      In a single word, the problem is: "Greed." Not "Vassals"

  30. And people laugh at me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because I still don't see the need for a smartphone. I'm doing well without, and permanent news like this only support my decision :(

  31. Stop calling it sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PLEASE stop using their propaganda term "sharing". There is a reason they want you to use that term. Sharing is something universally seen as good, generous, ethical, altruistic, you name it. What they are doing is anything but altruistic.

    Call it selling, stalking, tracking, recording -- ANYTHING but the propaganda term "sharing". Think of it this way: if it was your neighbor stalking and collecting data on you, and then selling it to other stalkers for profit, the last thing you would call that practice is "sharing".

  32. Run A Real Android O/S by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has gotten to the point where we can no longer allow carriers to put their own variants of Android on phones. I won't even buy a phone until there's a port of LineageOS for it.

    PrivacyGuard is a must for any modern phone.

  33. Step #1 by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1


    1) Stop using Google play.
    2) Only use Fdroid and
    3) vanilla stock AOSP build without Google's spyware, if you choose to use Android Linux.

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  34. Re:What's so bad about about ad targeting, exactly by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Just as a heads up, modding down doesn't really answer the question, although I figure that whichever mod decided to do that is probably too blinded by their own worldview to realize that by simply modding down instead of answering, they have basically admitted they would rather censor an oppositional viewpoint than try and rationally debate it.

    So let's give this a head start, shall we?

    The only objection I have ever seen that makes any sense about targetted ads is the argument that they can be intrusive, or get in the way of finding useful information. This could be a fair criticism, but it is actually no less true for ads that are completely untargetted... if an advertiser wants their ad to be obnoxious and annoying, they are going to do it anyways, whether the ad actually interests you or not. I dare say that any interest one may have otherwise had in an ad's content will generally be overridden entirely by how the advertiser chooses to place that ad, and whether it is actually obtrusive to what the individual who may have even otherwise been genuinely interested in that product was trying to do at the moment that ad was shown.

    But again, this isn't a problem with targeting ads that are geared towards what a person's interests are, it's a problem with advertisers not realizing that this approach comes across more like nagging than advertising, which has absolutely nothing to do with whether they are trying to cater the ads to a person's interests or not.

  35. click bait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MsMash, this is horrendus
    why are you posting tis crap

  36. So? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Google Navigate explicitly sends a trace of your route back to Google every time you use it... if you don't have problem with Google knowing every place you've been, why should you have a problem with them collecting other data? (Has the Google Navigate data been used against anyone in court yet?)

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    1. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google Navigate explicitly sends a trace of your route back to Google every time you use it... if you don't have problem with Google knowing every place you've been, why should you have a problem with them collecting other data? (Has the Google Navigate data been used against anyone in court yet?)

      The US has gotten so sneaky that I wouldn't trust absence of evidence. We got prism and parallel construction out there. It's very easy to track you. Your device hardware already knows your name and where you are because the cell company has got to be able to know where you call from, and who you "are" to bill you month to month.

      Your device software demands your name at activation time. If the name on the software and on the hardware aren't different, that's more confidence to the collectors of this data even when there are no courts.

      So, anyway, if there's a dragnet involved and there's GPS data nicely collected by Google and Apple the legal way and you're never notified, then who can deny corrupted agents when they decide that they can't reveal their true sources? instead, they poke around your GPS path and parallel construction now claims you were first spotted by an "anonymous tip" that then was "corroborated" [truly and undeniably] by the local security cameras that permeate our modern streets.

      See also Fruit of the poisonous tree being blatantly ignored as a problem and Stingray controversies in data collection, where efforts have only slowly been applied to constrain the collection to legal warrants. Given all the lying and omissions, I wouldn't trust expectations like those stated in the wiki about how call recording capabilities are built-in, but disabled. I mean, there's a trope about the insanity of someone getting away with arson and murder but being hung for jaywalking. Trust is lost, so why trust the mouth of the wayward kid when his hand is still boldly stuck in the cookie jar he doesn't intend to abandon?

  37. Re:Oh, the horror... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Google knows what porn you watch! Feel any different now?

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