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Thousands of Swedes Are Inserting Microchips Under Their Skin (npr.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NPR: In Sweden, a country rich with technological advancement, thousands have had microchips inserted into their hands. The chips are designed to speed up users' daily routines and make their lives more convenient -- accessing their homes, offices and gyms is as easy as swiping their hands against digital readers. They also can be used to store emergency contact details, social media profiles or e-tickets for events and rail journeys within Sweden. Proponents of the tiny chips say they're safe and largely protected from hacking, but one scientist is raising privacy concerns around the kind of personal health data that might be stored on the devices.

Around the size of a grain of rice, the chips typically are inserted into the skin just above each user's thumb, using a syringe similar to that used for giving vaccinations. The procedure costs about $180. So many Swedes are lining up to get the microchips that the country's main chipping company says it can't keep up with the number of requests. More than 4,000 Swedes have adopted the technology, with one company, Biohax International, dominating the market. The chipping firm was started five years ago by Jowan Osterlund, a former professional body piercer. After spending the past two years working full time on the project, he is currently developing training materials so he can hire Swedish doctors and nurses to help take on some of his heavy workload.

193 comments

  1. Where's my axe? by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where's my axe?

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    1. Re: Where's my axe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not between your legs, but if you want your toothpick, I can tell you where it is!

    2. Re: Where's my axe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He asked about his axe not his axe wound gash.

    3. Re: Where's my axe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you ever need an MRI that chip will have to go.

    4. Re:Where's my axe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember to heat it first in the flame.

    5. Re:Where's my axe? by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      You have my axe!

    6. Re:Where's my axe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly what I was thinking. "Hold on a sec - I have the correct severed human thumb to open that in this bag somewhere..."

  2. This is hack proof! :) by TXJD · · Score: 1

    Poor choice of words? As in "I could not imagine how a thief would steal my identity" ? Thumb, meet knife.... I will now invest in a prosthetic thumb medical company, as I foresee many Swedes without opposing thumbs very soon.

    1. Re:This is hack proof! :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like: Thumb, meet smartphone with a remote reader.

    2. Re:This is hack proof! :) by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thieves are dumb, so you can't rule this out. But think about it: a guy has his thumb chopped off and the guy who has his thumb possesses a completely unique piece of evidence that ties him alone to the crime. Further, this thumb is useless unless he actually USES it. It's an electronic ID chip, so he immediately subjects himself to an absolutely known time and location with every swipe.

      Yeah, that thief will be very hard to catch.

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    3. Re:This is hack proof! :) by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Probably not couldn't you use a man in the middle attack to get the key? Similar to attacks with automotive key fobs.

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    4. Re:This is hack proof! :) by arth1 · · Score: 1

      RTFA. It's not inserted into the thumb, but the fleshy part between the thumb and index finger.

    5. Re:This is hack proof! :) by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      Well, the immigrant criminals will be able to track wealthier Swedes where ever they go. Hey this person can afford a tracker, lets mug them, some days latter, hey it's the same idiot with a tracker. Day or night, everyone who can read the chip know who you are and have an idea what you are worth.

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    6. Re:This is hack proof! :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor choice of words? As in "I could not imagine how a thief would steal my identity" ? Thumb, meet knife.... I will now invest in a prosthetic thumb medical company, as I foresee many Swedes without opposing thumbs very soon.

      Hmm.. that seems a bit more inconvenient than taking their ID-card and keys when you rob them.
      I foresee that it will be less common that robbers going for identity theft instead of just whatever cash someone has on them.
      So maybe it will happen to a person once every decade or so.

    7. Re:This is hack proof! :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is an ID chip, not a transceiver.
      It is less trackable than the phone said rich person already carries.
      The persons clothing already signals his position and wealth more than this chip will do.

    8. Re:This is hack proof! :) by fisted · · Score: 2

      Unless it features contacts on the outside of the skin, it is a transceiver.

    9. Re:This is hack proof! :) by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Why only immigrant criminals? Are your pure-blood native criminals too stupid?

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    10. Re:This is hack proof! :) by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      No, it's the immigrant work ethic. They are much more industrious and hard working than the natives, as they seek to eek out a better life for themselves and their family.

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  3. No thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've read the good book and know where this is heading.

    1. Re:No thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't read it in the original Koine then. "Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and the number is six hundred threescore and six." In gematria, which is a one to one cypher of letters and numerical values, 666 is "Neron Kaisar," or Emperor Nero. Revelation was about history and the present, not the far future.

    2. Re: No thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, preterist I see, but this hardly excludes the Jewish interpretive schema in which all four interpretations of Revelation are true, and not mutually exclusive. www.ariel.org.

    3. Re: No thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The text says what it says, and that's *all* that it says. If you *want* the world to end because you're too stupid/weak/crazy to handle it, make it end for yourself via suicide, but don't involve the rest of us in your insanity.

  4. How about a ring instead? by chispito · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why not wear a chipped ring instead? That way you can change your ID if it gets compromised and no knives are involved.

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    1. Re: How about a ring instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But how do you inject a ring?

      Wearables is so 2015 it's all about internals now.

    2. Re:How about a ring instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coz the idea is that you're poor cattle to be eaten by the banksters and plain "elites". Georgia Guide stones of 500 million population crap. But I like your idea nevertheless! Prefer it to these lizard's plans.

    3. Re: How about a ring instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have a herd of chipped lizards at the ranch. They can sing row your boat in a round.

    4. Re:How about a ring instead? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why not wear a chipped ring instead? That way you can change your ID if it gets compromised and no knives are involved.

      One way or the other the main thing is getting everything to work on the same standard. I mean I could replace my door lock with an electronic one, but it'd use its own chips. My car has its own key fob. Work has its own access card. My gym has its own access card. If I could get one ring that I could "load up" with all my various identifications, that'd be great. Ideally with some sort of PIN for when just the ring's presence is not enough.

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    5. Re:How about a ring instead? by johannesg · · Score: 5, Funny

      If I could get one ring that I could "load up" with all my various identifications, that'd be great.

      One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. That'd be great.

    6. Re: How about a ring instead? by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

      In the UK a 'chipped ring' would sound like a painful injury!

    7. Re: How about a ring instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how do you inject a ring?

      Wearables is so 2015 it's all about internals now.

      Psh. Internals are so 2020. I inject my chips into an alternate me in another universe whose only difference is they like having chips inserted from alternate worlds.

    8. Re:How about a ring instead? by TnkMkr · · Score: 1

      Because you could CHOOSE to take off a ring when ever YOU want at no cost or pain to yourself. And you could replace it with no assistance what so ever... and god forbid you might even be able to swap with someone else.....

      pretty sure that would defeat the true purpose of these chips. While they sell the chips with great features FOR you, I don't think they really mention the great features for others.

      But I'm paranoid.

    9. Re:How about a ring instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want mine forged in the fires of Mount Doom for good measure.

    10. Re:How about a ring instead? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      I can only imagine what you might say should you accidentally loose it (or some filthy hobbit steals it).

    11. Re:How about a ring instead? by Harald+Paulsen · · Score: 1

      Dallas Semiconductor tried.

      https://www.javaworld.com/arti...

      20 years ago.

      I still have an ibutton on my keychain, but it never got used that much that I would hope.

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  5. Sores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not mentioning sores brought on by the emissions from these embedded device is worth noting. Another case of 'whoops'?

    1. Re:Sores? by arth1 · · Score: 2

      From what I've read, it does cause problems for some. It's a small glass tube implanted in the fleshy part between the thumb and index finger, which works well for most. Except those that use that part of both hands quite a bit, like woodworkers and mechanics.

      I imagine it might interfere with some sports and recreation too, like archery, cross country skiing, tequila drinking, rappelling and foosball.

    2. Re: Sores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could presumably have it implanted elsewhere, like your ass, perhaps.

    3. Re:Sores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about chronic masturbation?

    4. Re:Sores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      leave your personal life out of this

    5. Re:Sores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm right-handed but when it comes to "beating the bishop", sometimes I like to use the non-dominant hand, because it's like someone else is doing the dirty deed. It's a lose-lose situation either way.

  6. STUPIDO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    retardware under the skin

  7. Re:Huge surprise! by Stormwatch · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What the hell happened to that country anyway?!

  8. Chop chop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get your thumb chopped off and taken to compromise your 2FA. Yeah - pass.

  9. What stops identity theft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What stops people simply reading your id and using it?

    1. Re:What stops identity theft? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing illiteracy?

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  10. convienience is overrated by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Soon I will be able to send my robot to the movies and it can have sex with my wife's robot.

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    1. Re: convienience is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are overthinking it

    2. Re: convienience is overrated by avandesande · · Score: 1

      In that case my robot will skip the movie.

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  11. US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Automatic war if you tried to force this.

  12. Too many Swedes using it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article states more than 4000 (!) in 5 years.
    That's... not a lot of people.

    Sweden currently has a population of 10 million people, and a 1% growth rate. It will only take 25 times as many users as there currently are to equal one year's worth of population growth.

    1. Re: Too many Swedes using it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do they think the chip is going to do? Get a mind if itâ(TM)s own start doing crazy stuff?

    2. Re: Too many Swedes using it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came here to say exactly this.

      So many are using it? This is only 0.04% of Swedes. More people die from bee stings than are even doing this.

    3. Re: Too many Swedes using it? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      So many are using it? This is only 0.04% of Swedes. More people die from bee stings than are even doing this.

      You're several orders of magnitude off there, bud. Swedish bees are relatively docile and seldom sting. Over a ten year period, one death due to bee stings was recorded.

    4. Re: Too many Swedes using it? by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      what about Moose bites? I hear those can be nasty?

  13. Logan's Run by valnar · · Score: 5, Funny

    At 30, do they go Carousel?

    1. Re:Logan's Run by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      Spot on nice reference. It brought Methuselahs children by R.A. Heinlein to my mind as well but your is even more topical and pointed. Wish I had mod points for you....

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    2. Re:Logan's Run by valnar · · Score: 0

      Thanks!...it was the first reference that came to mind.

    3. Re:Logan's Run by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Johnny Mnemonic also springs to mind...

  14. Timothy McVeigh by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    It is so funny Timothy McVeigh believed the Feds had implanced a chip on him and were controlling him. So he went and made a fertilizer bomb and killed 160 people! Now people voluntarily line up to have one implanted!

    Well, pretty soon even precocious 10 years olds who could assemble protocol droids in their sparet ime wont be able to build a scanner to find these implants.

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    1. Re:Timothy McVeigh by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      Timothy McVeigh believed the Feds had implanced a chip on him and were controlling him. So he went and made a fertilizer bomb and killed 160 people!

      The real question is, why did the FBI tell him to blow up one of their own buildings? The answer is that it was a transparent false flag operation to keep chipped people from suspecting they too might be chipped as it interferes with the programming! I'd tell you more about it but my chip is erasing my memory of this conversation. ;)

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    2. Re:Timothy McVeigh by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the FBI has other ways to stop chipped people from revealing crucial inform{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER

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    3. Re:Timothy McVeigh by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the FBI has other ways to stop chipped people from revealing crucial inform{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER

      What are you talking about and who keeps posting as me?

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    4. Re:Timothy McVeigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laugh all you want but it is quite possible he was chipped.

    5. Re:Timothy McVeigh by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The real question is, why did the FBI tell him to blow up one of their own buildings?

      According to Timothy, the chip was implanted by the army, not the FBI. He told people the chip was used to track him, but never said it could control his mind. He served with the 1st Infantry Division (The Big Red One), and was described by some as a model soldier. He was promoted to sergeant.

  15. NO FLIPPING WAY by p51d007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bad enough we have so much crap, face ID, chip cards and all this other crap. It's just more conditioning, so in the years/decades to follow people become even more accepting to this crap. "it's for your safety, for your convenience" Load of BS. It more for tracking, data mining and all other crap. Eventually they will load these with a death dart, and at some point when you are no longer good to "the state" they can just cut you down.

    1. Re: NO FLIPPING WAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! The chips are probably just a nice piece of tech. It would be fun to see exactly how it worked. Wave it this way something happens. Wave it a different way and something else happens.

    2. Re:NO FLIPPING WAY by nnull · · Score: 1

      They already have us conditioned about being spied on everyday in stores, what we watch, what we type, what we buy. So no surprise to me. It's to the point that people are calling us crazies idiots for not joining in on the fun.

  16. Re:The headline is flat-out wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good post

  17. Re:Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Those verses translates as "on", not "in".

    Also, it says "mark" not "invisible implant".

    The mark will be visible because it will be a political sign.. it has nothing to do with technology. Notice that it says you can have 1 of 3 options: the mark, the name or the number. In order for a name to stop you, it really has to be political rather than technological.

  18. Biohax! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Biohacks indeed. Oops! that's "hax" not "hacks". My bad.

  19. Re:Huge surprise! by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Basically rampant Feminism and Stupid Juvenile Whiners such as Sweden's Feminizing Boys with Genderless Schools

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  20. Re:Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Repeating this from up above:

    "Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and the number is six hundred threescore and six." In gematria, which is a one to one cypher of letters and numerical values, 666 is "Neron Kaisar," or Emperor Nero. Revelation was about history and the present, not the far future.

    I know you want the world to end. I know you're too weak to handle reality. But let's not make things worse for others with your delusions, 'k?

  21. Functional piercings for old people by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In being the "IT country doctor" in a high-end retirement area, everyone's biggest IT problem I encounter here is keeping track of passwords. If an implanted read-only chip full of large random numbers were offered as an alternative to the whole password mess, 95% of this town would be on it like stink on skunk. No more lists of passwords in spidery handwriting taped onto monitors, no more having to come up with online identifiers cobbled up to satisfy increasingly arcane security rules and then forgotten. To log onto anything from your system, just place the palm of your hand on a USB-connected reader and the app, operating system or website would use the I'th random number on the chip as your password.

    For our seasoned citizens, an authentication chip would be the greatest thing since Medicare.

    1. Re:Functional piercings for old people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Password manager? I don't use one; but, seems like you are advocating using a surgeons knife to cut butter. Firefox and Chrome both have password management and memory. Set the password once and your good to go. Then, at a minimum change your passwords once every 6 months to a year. Problem solved. I'm sure OS level password managers exist and would be quite easy to create. A lot of high security places just use chip cards and chip readers etc...


      There are plenty of ways to go full on cyborg. I think ident chips are neither exciting nor do they really solve any problem that can't be tackled much more easily.

    2. Re:Functional piercings for old people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more lists of passwords in spidery handwriting taped onto monitors.

      Remember, someone with access to the written password also have physical access to the computer.
      Unlike many other password solutions it is permanently airgapped from the computer.
      For homes and private offices passwords written on post-its are among the best options available.
      Memorizing passwords means simpler passwords and more password re-usage.

      A slightly better option would be to put the notes out of sight, like under the keyboard or in a notebook in a drawer next to the computer.
      If the drawer is locked it works for offices that random people have access to, but then again, they have physical access to the computer and can easily plug in a keylogger.

    3. Re: Functional piercings for old people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely someone will cart off the machine and fence it for $50 will all your files on it than install a key logger, unless you are being targeted by the FBI or have unwittingly fallen through a wormhole into a Hollywood thriller and are in the process of unearthing skullduggery in a shady corporation. Phishing from the comfort of a parental basement is more the style of script kiddies, I thought, with better economies of scale.

    4. Re:Functional piercings for old people by monkeyxpress · · Score: 1

      In being the "IT country doctor" in a high-end retirement area, everyone's biggest IT problem I encounter here is keeping track of passwords. If an implanted read-only chip full of large random numbers were offered as an alternative to the whole password mess, 95% of this town would be on it like stink on skunk. No more lists of passwords in spidery handwriting taped onto monitors, no more having to come up with online identifiers cobbled up to satisfy increasingly arcane security rules and then forgotten. To log onto anything from your system, just place the palm of your hand on a USB-connected reader and the app, operating system or website would use the I'th random number on the chip as your password.

      For our seasoned citizens, an authentication chip would be the greatest thing since Medicare.

      Maybe we could tattoo some kind of unique mark on the skin of our fingers instead? This would be less invasive a procedure. We could call the mark a 'print' that goes on our 'finger'. Nah, would probably never work.

    5. Re:Functional piercings for old people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you can make an analogy doesn't make it accurate.

    6. Re:Functional piercings for old people by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      A fingerprint or iris scan is immutable. Once compromised, it can't be changed (see blow).

  22. No Thanks by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not wear a chipped ring instead? That way you can change your ID... ...to the person you stole it from.

    An ID "ring" appeals even less to me than a chip implant, because at least it's a lot harder for someone to grab an internal chip to spoof being me.

    I think the smartest way to go about this would be to implant the chip at the top of your head, that way when you didn't want it read you could wear a tinfoil hat. Talk about killing two birds with one stone!

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    1. Re:No Thanks by chispito · · Score: 2

      Why not wear a chipped ring instead? That way you can change your ID... ...to the person you stole it from.

      An ID "ring" appeals even less to me than a chip implant, because at least it's a lot harder for someone to grab an internal chip to spoof being me.

      I think the smartest way to go about this would be to implant the chip at the top of your head, that way when you didn't want it read you could wear a tinfoil hat. Talk about killing two birds with one stone!

      You don't need to steal it, you just have to spoof it. Same as ID badges that we already use. And again... no surgery required.

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    2. Re:No Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scanning the head-top chip would also be more amusing than scanning a hand/wrist chip. "Sorry, portable scanner is still broken. Use this one bolted to the desk."

    3. Re:No Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    4. Re:No Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because at least it's a lot harder for someone to grab an internal chip to spoof being me
      Considering where they insert them, all it takes is grabbing a doorknob/handle, or a mouse... Then what good is your chipped serial number gonna do you? (as far as I've read, the rice-sized things are read-only and not reprogrammable.)

      captcha: gimmick (no kidding)

  23. Meh. by hey! · · Score: 1

    They're just rutabagas.

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  24. what's the goal? save time? by gTsiros · · Score: 1

    what's the average commute time for swedes?

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    1. Re:what's the goal? save time? by arth1 · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure what the average is, but Swedes like to live in the countryside (not just suburbs) or different cities than where they work, and quite a few commute by train.
      It's not uncommon for train commuters to start working while on the train, using laptops and mobile phones.

    2. Re:what's the goal? save time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure what the average is, but Swedes like to live in the countryside (not just suburbs) or different cities than where they work, and quite a few commute by train.
      It's not uncommon for train commuters to start working while on the train, using laptops and mobile phones.

      Maybe if they work in sales or something.
      The developers I know with significant commute time sets things up so they can work from home a day or two in the week.
      Completely working from home usually don't work that well since you don't get face-time with the rest of the crew, but some work you just want uninterrupted grinding for.

    3. Re:what's the goal? save time? by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      I use a regular chip card for my commute. I grab the card out of my pocket while I approach the card reader, and swipe the thing without slowing my step. Putting the chip in my hand would save zero time.

    4. Re:what's the goal? save time? by BadDreamer · · Score: 1

      That's correct. Trains are very good for working on, and with one hour each direction that's good time to spend catching up on emails, doing code reviews and going over designs and related documents, even if coding can be harder to get done with the normal interruptions of travel.

      For a while a few companies rented train carriages and set up commuter offices in them, but as technology has advanced that is no longer required or cost effective.

  25. Re:Huge surprise! by elrous0 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Every man in Valhalla must be hanging his head in shame to see this country today.

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  26. Re:Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so few people know the above, even to this day. A quote from a book that is made of many other scattered writings all originating well over a thousand years ago.

  27. Re: Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A mark doesn't have to be visible to the eye, it can be visible to a scanner.

  28. $180?! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    I did the exact same thing with my dog several years ago, and it cost less than $60.

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    1. Re:$180?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      At first I was really started by your post, then I realized it was an article about RFID chips and not prostitution.

    2. Re:$180?! by mentil · · Score: 5, Funny

      What a ripoff, that's $420 in dog dollars.

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    3. Re:$180?! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Haha, wish I could give you a “funny” mod!

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    4. Re:$180?! by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I did the exact same thing with my dog several years ago, and it cost less than $60.

      You need to hold your dog up to your doorknob for it to unlock? What happens if the dog runs away? How will go work out at the gym if the dog is asleep?

    5. Re:$180?! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I really should've thought things through before I bought that Saint Bernard.

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    6. Re:$180?! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The full gym workout involves picking the dog up to the RFID reader and putting it down and then going home :)

  29. Re:Mark of the Beast by hierofalcon · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Early manuscripts tend to point to a copying error and indicate the original text as having 616 instead of 666, probably blowing your Nero theory.

    Regardless, Revelation had both historical and prophetical implications. You can't study Revelation by itself. You need to throw in Daniel, several of the minor prophets of the Old Testament, and some of Christ's teachings and comments if you want to try to understand the end time prophetical implications of the text.

    While the Swedish actions don't fall into the mark of the beast territory, getting people used to this technology will make it easier for the anti Christ to implement when he comes to power. It's pretty clear that he won't be 100% successful, but those who resist will pay a high price.

  30. Mark of the beast, blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    except the only "beast" will be some faceless corporation or government entity.... ...and the mafia types who won't think twice to sever one of your limbs to gain access to your riches.

      No thanks. We didn't need it for the past 10,000 years, I don't see it needed now.

    1. Re:Mark of the beast, blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mark of the beast, blah blah blah

      except the only "beast" will be some faceless corporation or government entity....

      Precisely. Now combine all the faceless corporations/government entities (is there a difference?) into a single global body ("it's all for your safety / efficiency / humanity's benefit") and voila, the Beast.

  31. Question is WHY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Its a dam RFI chip, why not just put it inside a ring, wristband or whatever you never take of?
    As a Swede I have only seen it once and it was som guy on the train that had his commuter ticket on the chip. The rest of us have the ticket in the phone app there it's also bought.

    1. Re: Question is WHY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer is : because Sweden is and had always been the socialist Lab and the Swedes are lab animals. Can we make drivers wear girl skirts? Can we make populace brand themselves with rfid chips? Will our Fabian club ideas work on a big society of whites as opposed to uncivilized Russians ? Etc.

  32. Re: Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, R.C. Sproul taught this line. Most say 666, which has, let's say, a nicer rhetorical ring to it.

  33. THINK OF THE CHILDREN !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bad enough we have so much crap, face ID, chip cards and all this other crap.
    It's just more conditioning, so in the years/decades to follow people become even more
    accepting to this crap. "it's for your safety, for your convenience"

    Have you forgotten the 'Think of the Children' excuse?

    This time they will say that if your child gone missing and ended up being butchered and his body parts chopped to bits --- at least the police will be able to successfully identify the identity of the badly decomposed body parts, thanks to that 'wonderful chip'
    .

  34. Re:Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the Greek version of Nero's name, the letters add up to 666. However, for the Latin version, the letters add up to 616. The other descriptions of the beast strongly suggest that it refers to Nero. This is the preterist interpretation.

    There are other interpretations of the text as allegory and as prophecy. The prophetic interpretation refers to the events before and during the second coming of Christ. However, it's important to remember that the text describes imagery and events John is seeing in Heaven, which mimic what is occurring on Earth. The beast is clearly a parody of Christ. However, just because the beast that John sees has seven heads and ten horns, that doesn't mean the Antichrist will be a person with seven heads and ten horns. I don't know of any human being who satisfies that description. If that image is symbolic, why would the mark of the beast be any less symbolic?

    Why would implanting a microchip be evil? Even if that microchip was used for monetary transactions in a cashless society, and Sweden is rapidly progressing toward being cashless, it's not clear why implanting such a microchip would be a dastardly sin. It just doesn't make sense.

    Some of the sacraments, baptism, confirmation, and holy orders, leave one with an indelible spiritual mark. It is not a permanent physical mark on the body, but rather on the soul. The beast is a parody of Christ, and the mark of the beast can be interpreted as a parody of the spiritual mark from baptism. This is consistent with the idea that the text records the imagery that John is literally seeing in his vision, but is symbolic of events on Earth.

    Interpreting the mark of the beast as a physical mark or implant on the forehead or right hand just doesn't make sense. It's about as logical as searching the Antichrist by looking for a world leader who has seven heads and ten horns.

  35. Re:Isn't it called Stockholm syndrome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sensible swede, now that's an oxymoron.

  36. Figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Borg IS a Swedish name.

    1. Re: Figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's one Bjorn every minute, too.

    2. Re: Figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just won an internet. You can get it at IKEA any time.

  37. Re:Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Sweden's Feminizing Boys with Genderless Schools

    Good for then in allowing boys and girls to choose their own position within the range of available behaviours rather than forcing them into one or another. Or would you rather gentle boys be turned into overly agressive men via indoctrination? What happened to the right of people to choose their own personality?

  38. Re: Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, it's terrible when a country is prosperous, tolerant, with a high degree of happiness in its population. Sad times indeed.

  39. Very convenient until.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very convenient until someone decides they want something of yours, or access to something you'd access with your chip... and they chop your fucking hand off to gain access. You can bet that someone will come up with a way of cloning the chips using a reader they can just walk past you with. People will have to start wearing gloves with faraday cages built-in to avoid those. Convenience at this level is just stupid.

  40. Re:Isn't it called Stockholm syndrome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sweden is a guinea pig for each and every of such social engineering experiments. Socialism, feminism, migrant fuelled multiculturalism you name it. Now they happily brand themselves with rfid cattle tags.

    Needless to say every sensible Swede had emigrated to US long time ago.

    LOL!
    Let me see now.
    25 days minimum holiday a year...check
    Parental (maternal and paternal) leave
    Free school
    Subsidised daycare
    Subsidised healthcare for all
    Ability to walk around at night without fearing for one's life
    One of the highest standard of living in the world
    One of the highest citizen happiness quotients in the world
    When you vote in an election, your vote counts

    US
    Highest number of incarcerated in the Western world
    Almost weekly school shootings
    Holidays...what's that?
    One of the highest percentage of overweight people in the West
    Healthcare - Pay approx double per person, and those who dont pay are at serious risk
    When you vote in an election, your vote may not count for anything and the party with least total votes can WIN!
    A complete moron as president
    Half the nation are bible thumping science denying ....
    Tornados and Hurricane's (Presumably God's way of telling the USA it sucks) (joke - I have common sense and don't believe in supernatural deities)

    I could go on.
    (Intentional) Murder rates
    USA 5.35 (per 100,000)
    Sweden 1.08

    Interestingly, I moved here. I feel safe, I get fresh air and am surrounded by lakes and forests and I don't worry my kids will be shot or stabbed at school.

    USA..No thanks.

  41. Why? Because we are not in the USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The big fears that the USA has about your government are not echoed in the developed world. We elect our government without the huge financial impact of your extreme right. Our ultra-conservatives are not only fewer than yours, they are not mainstream and they do not have as much money and media influence as yours.

    Unlike you, we are less keen on our businesses misusing our personal information. This is why we have the GDPR which so many of your controllers find so hard to understand. Corporations are much more dangerous than governments. If they have information, they are forced to use it better than the people that own the USA.

    Like you, we have criminals who would like to find out all about us. We do not have so many, they are less aggressive and they are not so well armed. The less power our corporations have, the less leaks over to the criminals as we hear happens in your country.

    1. Re: Why? Because we are not in the USA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want some sauerkraut with your ubermensch tirade, kamarad?

  42. Swedes are anti-privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The swedes are really weird, their elections involve people publicly grabbing paper forms color-coded by party so everyone can see which one they vote for. They prefer paying with cards instead of cash so much that not even all supermarkets accept cash any more. And they like to implant ID chips. I guess the Swedish dream would be to be constantly tracked by large foreign companies: what you buy and eat, where you are and even your political leaning.

    1. Re:Swedes are anti-privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just wrong, and if you're even remotely believing that, you're either grossly misinformed or trying to spread disinformation.

      Here's the story bro; You take a paper (list) from each and every party, or at least a few different, i.e even the ones you don't want to cast your vote for. Completely legal. And then, when you in your booth, you put the one you actually want to vote for in the envelope.

      And btw, the color coding is not per party, it's per election. We are usually doing three at the same time, you get to cast one vote each for the regional (blue), local (white), and national (yellow), each one in separate envelopes.

      Superfluous forms are discarded, either by leaving them in the booth, or by pocketing them for later disposal. Jeebus, how hard can it be?

  43. Documentary by TimMD909 · · Score: 2

    Wasn't there a documentary about what to do when pure, concentrated evil gets into your hand? I recall the name "Ash" and a chainsaw later replacing the possessed hand...

    1. Re:Documentary by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      groovy

  44. No More Need for Pink Triangles | Yellow Stars by lloy0076 · · Score: 1

    How about - no?

  45. Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a local, I think I would have heard something about this mass movement towards idiocy. Not a peep. I call bullshit, and wonder what exactly is the agenda of the submitter?

    1. Re: Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a Muslim refugee or a Chilean thug kind of local, admit it.

  46. Re:Europeans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, don't knock it 'til you tried it.

  47. From childhood fairytales by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    "To better keep track of you, my child."

    --
    Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
  48. Re:Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The liberals.

  49. Re:Mark of the Beast by Daralantan · · Score: 2

    Early manuscripts tend to point to a copying error and indicate the original text as having 616 instead of 666,

    I recall seeing something about the reason it is 666, is because 7 is considered a holy / perfect number. So the 3 (also a special number in Christianity) 6's represent being incomplete.

    Also seeing this show up reminds me of some email from almost 20 years ago stating that Bill Gates was the anti-Christ. It said the mouse (as in us holding the mouse in our hand.. therefor it was like a mark on the hand?) was the sign required on the hands... And then it used military code or whatever to turn his name and some other name into 666. Then some hilarious claim that if you had some nonexistent version of Excel, you could open up a secret section of it with a "hall of the damned" list of names. I wonder if I still have that email, it was pretty hilarious in how dark and foreboding it sounded.

  50. Re: Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you seen the huge, masculine, permanently crabby Swedish women? I don't think the Muslims will want them.

  51. Re: Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tolerant? If you want to find a racist in a crowd of tourists, just find the European. If you really to find the biggest racist in the crowd, find someone from a Nordic country.

  52. WTF? Are You People INSANE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your solution to a password list(manger) is to implant a serial number under their skin? A single immutable "password" for all the tings?

    Are you so clueless that you don't know how RFID chips work? Contrary to the article summary, NOTHING IS STORED in the chip except for a 7byte unique identifier. All of the information including password access, medical records... is is retrieved from a database lookup using the identifier.

    Do you think that using your social security number as a "password" for everything you do is a good idea? That's essentially what this is.

    It is INSANELY EASY to clone or spoof this shit. This is an ASININE IDEA. But, what do you expect when you get your security technology from a soy-boy body piercer?

    1. Re:WTF? Are You People INSANE? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      My chip would contain not a single number, but a read-only array (1024? 2**32?) of large random integers. When you want to set up an online account of any kind, the software would read your chip, pick one value at random, and encipher as your match value the number and its index. If a password gets compromised, just sign up again in the same way.

    2. Re:WTF? Are You People INSANE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, then: what's to stop a crooked entity from reading ALL your numbers thereby obtaining every possible password you'd be able to use?

    3. Re:WTF? Are You People INSANE? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Yes, the chip reader would have to be set to return the value at just a single index at once, read any value no more often than every N seconds, and raise an alarm if any software attempted a "read different values as fast as possible" attack from one user. These are the sort of security features that people who have to make up their own passwords find odious now, but which in a chip-based system would be transparent to the user.

  53. Re: Isn't it called Stockholm syndrome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Add Freedom of Speech onto the US scale, and "the Corridor of permitted speech " onto the Swedish one. And see how it balances.

    I will not mention that you would have no choice in where to live and what Church to attend in Sweden, generally.

    Yes, US is in many aspects a Third World country but it has more freedom than Sweden. It feels alive , not like being a lab animal.

  54. Re:Huge surprise! by thegarbz · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So that's what happened IN the country, but what happened TO the country? As far as I can see nothing happened TO that country and they are doing just fine.

    By the way complaining about genderless schools is something best left to those who aren't dominating local political stories with endless debates about who is allowed to use which restroom because everyone will sexually violate everyone else.

  55. Re:Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Biology has zero impact on peoples' behavior apparently.

  56. why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why you need to wer a chip at all????

  57. Swedes have learned nothing from the 20th century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give any central authority power over you, and that authority will abuse it. Any power you delegate to someone else will one day come back to haunt you, with zero exceptions. Give someone absolute power over you and leave yourself no means to escape and you will be made a serf.

    Swedes have completely given up on civilian firearm ownership, abdicating the option of self-defending their life or rights without government intervention and any hope of resisting any unjust or deadly government policy. They could not prevent a criminal from entering their home and they could never resist a political commissary if there ever came one to whisk them away. Their very survival now depends on the cooperation of criminals and the nicety of government to never send a political commissary. A fundamental error, since regarding 20th century history, the chances of a European country turning into a tyranny is about 2% per year. Protection of their life is now outsourced to a third party they have little control over and dependent on the hope that criminals never do crime and government never step on civilian rights. Fat chance.

    Swedes have almost finished in giving up cash and with it any option of concluding even the tiniest contract between people that is not monitored, logged or controlled by the government. All their wealth is now a number in a computer they do not control, dependent on laws they cannot change. If something were to happen to their account balance, they could not pay for a phone call, let alone the lawyer to challenge it in court. Protection of all their assets and the option to fund alternative political parties is now outsourced to a third party they have little control over and dependent on the hope that banks never collect too many fees and the government never seizes wealth from political opponents. Fat chance.

    Now they are all wildly in favor of giving up the remaining anonymity they may have, abdicating the last remaining option of interacting with the world without a central, electronic and easily monitored mode of control. They have outsourced the last part of their rights to act independently from a central authority, against the express permission of it. Protection of their free will, movement, interaction with the world now depends on the government allowing it.

    They now cannot defend their life, their wealth and the kownledge of their whereabouts or interaction with the world without the government. They cannot defend any of that against a malicious government. They cannot fund an alternative political party or attend a political rally without the current ruling party having the courtesy to allow it. Their life is now entirely at the mercy of their government. I wonder how that's going to turn out.

  58. Mark of the Beast by Slicker · · Score: 1

    By description, it really is the mark of the best. However, it's also a really good idea. That's the irony.

  59. I implanted one 5 years ago - it's very convenient by gachunt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had my friend (registered nurse) implant an RFID chip about 5 years ago in my hand. Since then, I have wired the doors on my house, garage, vehicles and safe with chip scanners.

    It is incredibly convenient to have this chip. I use it daily. Saves me time. And the geeky cool factor hasn't waned.

    Two unique stories about my chip:

    1. 1. It was a unique conversation with my sister, who is my executor, to explain that the chip will need to be dug out of my hand to get to my will.

    2. 2. The admin assistant at my office overheard me talking about my chip, and I had to spend 15 minutes calming her down and explaining that I am not the Beast, and have no plans to enslave the world's population.

  60. Re:Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bullshit. This ideology is a demonization of masculinity.

    When men start taking responsibility for their own erections, we can talk.

  61. FTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't have a chip to pay for your burger? Please move out of the line and into the interrogation area!

  62. Re:Huge surprise! by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

    Basically rampant Feminism and Stupid Juvenile Whiners such as Sweden's Feminizing Boys with Genderless Schools

    -- "When you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything."

    Okay, I just read the article at Huff post. As a left-leaning person, I think that is fucking stupid. You are clearly out of real problems to solve if you are concerned about what position people are in when they pee. Shit like that gives the left a bad name.

    --
    "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  63. Re:Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeap, let's instead enable child's dellusions, sure you can be a girl - take theses horrible hormons and we will chop off your dick later. Sure, you can be superman too, take this anabolics. Sure, you can be a cat, let's get a surgeon to cut some skin and attach prostetic tail to your spine. So much fun before your 8th birthday.

  64. Re:Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The individual is not responsible for the collective they are part of. Or are all Muslims terrorists now?

  65. Re:Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets assume the mark of the slave in the geographic area is correctly pictured in entertainment products of today and say that the mark is actually referring to the abstract concept of slavery instead of actual, physical mark. As we barely literate barbarians have been introduced to this religious poetry during the last two thousand years, we have ignored the poetical and metaphorical layers and turned towards naive literalism like small children.

  66. Thousands of Swedes Are Fat Lazy Fucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFY

    More Fat And Lazy Then Americans even

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  69. Why not just get a tattoo on your neck? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Seems like it would be easier just to get a barcode tattooed on the back of your neck. You know, one with a number that begins with '999'?

  70. It's not for security uses ... by i · · Score: 1

    ..(at least as I see it) it's more about convenience. As in with a movement of your hand active switches when you enter a room, sits down at your work place or in front of your TV-screen. It's a tool for preferences.
    Seen from security perspective it's lacking in the same way (and more so) as finger prints, face recognition etc: it's too easy to replicate.

    --
    Mundus Vult Decipi
  71. Chopped Hands Next To Rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting my popcorn for the chopped off hands used to loot man's house story..

  72. Re:Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Hall of Tortured Souls easter egg is real though:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwg9eLHZZRo

  73. Position by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it being implanted in the same place on all these people?
    What? No, no reason, just curious...
    Why yes, that does look like a scalpel but rest assured, it's not a real one. And I don't actually carry it around with me all the time...

    1. Re:Position by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot.

  74. Re:Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The letter "nun" is 50, so 616 is just Nero Kaisar, not Neron Kaisar. Same idea.

    Besides which, has it ever occurred to you that a God that was truly perfect, omniscient, omnipotent, and absolutely-sovereign *doesn't have enemies?" The very admission that your God has a Battle of Armageddon to fight is an admission that your God is not in fact qualified to BE "God," as it is not maximally powerful. That is, one may imagine a greater being than Yahweh.

    And THAT means all we have here is, let's be real about this, a powerful but not omnipotent being *pretending* to be God, maybe even sincerely believing itself to be God, for its own ends and desires (the having of which is another tell that Yahweh isn't God, since God is self-sufficient, perfect, and lacks nothing by definition).

    And what does this mean? It means the Abrahamic religions are cults of demon worship. If you say you're God, and you're not God, that is blasphemy of the highest order. Yahweh is a demon, if he actually exists.

  75. Re:Huge surprise! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    We need overly aggressive men to stop the Islamic Horde!

    --
    SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
  76. Re:Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hall of Tortured Souls did exist on Excel 95 - it was just a clever little Visual Basic game with the credits of the developers of Excel

    http://spinpasta.wikia.com/wiki/Hall_of_Tortured_Souls

  77. Re:I implanted one 5 years ago - it's very conveni by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

    What's wrong with religious people, I mean wtf? I just saw an episode of "Everything for Sweden" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and when told that less than 4% of Swedes attend church several of the Americans started to cry...

  78. Re:Mark of the Beast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, we need to be very precise about the knighthood I bequeath ON you, not IN you.

    How absurd! As if your intangible title was metaphorically IN you. It's quite impossible for me to give the mark of the knight IN you.

    Oh wait, now I sound like a dumbfuck who thinks word choice in grand contexts will always be perfectly literal.

  79. Re:I implanted one 5 years ago - it's very conveni by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    explaining that I am not the Beast, and have no plans to enslave the world's population.

    Of course that's just what the Beast would say, isn't it?

  80. Re:Huge surprise! by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

    To give some context here one have to also understand that this was the local Left party in Södermanland, in the recent election they gathered a total of 11113 votes and it was a motion filed (and supported by) only 4 people. And naturally the motion was denied.

  81. Re:I implanted one 5 years ago - it's very conveni by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a question.

    Why not just use a lockable wrist band, belt buckle, or Credit-Card sized Antenna, with an RFID in it?

    If the mark of the beast is keeping you from getting an RFID chip, that can travel and cause all sorts of nastyness if your body doesn't react to it right, and is also susceptible to replay attack, then probably that's a good thing.

    That is the real WTF.

  82. Re:Mark of the Beast by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

    sadly, there's people who insist that we take everything in that document as being literal.

  83. Re:Huge surprise! by Archangel_Azazel · · Score: 1

    Which usually comes before the most outspoken and vocal proponent of said thought process being caught in one of said bathrooms soliciting sex with someone OF THE SAME GENDER. Methinks those above me doth protest too much....

    Seriously though, do you really think that 'feminizing young boys' is a fucking thing? lol....methinks daddy had a little too much alone time with some folks. Get some help!

    --
    Your mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's been opened.
  84. Re: Huge surprise! by Archangel_Azazel · · Score: 1

    Yeah, in Amerikkka you can just look towards the Republican party and it's Cheeto-in-Chief. Not too difficult to find folks running on dog whistle politics, now is it?
    That's not to say that it DOESN'T happen in other countries, but you're trying to make it out like the whole of Europe is one big racist fest. We've all got problems...especially those who believe in some outdated misogynistic masturbatory fantasy where they're the UBERMAN... Poor fellas :(

    --
    Your mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's been opened.
  85. Hack proof? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    It seems naive to believe the hardware will not be found to be vulnerable in the future, up to the point it will require replacement.

  86. Re:Mark of the Beast by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

    If the outcomes of the battle of Armageddon or the battle at the end of the millennial period were in doubt, your statements might be valid, but the they are not. In fact, the Bible states that the enemies will be defeated by the word of Christ and the armies coming with Christ won't need to raise a finger to assist Him.

    Considering humanity, just because a person is maximally powerful doesn't mean they don't have enemies and it doesn't mean they won't be attacked to try to depose them even if the odds are against the attacker. You can look at countless examples through history. The spiritual realm is not stated to be any different - starting with Satan's original rebellion when he lost his place of power and honor in heaven and carrying through human history to the end recorded in Revelation.

  87. Re:Mark of the Beast by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

    If you read the text where the mark of the beast is mentioned, there is a direct tie to bowing down to worship the image of the beast - to accept the religion of the beast and worship it and the mark. I suspect that that is the primary problem associated with the mark of the beast. The mark itself is simply an acknowledgment that you have done the other to get it and thus are able to buy and sell merchandise in the open market. The Bible forbids accepting the mark (which is unidentified in form), the Antichrist's name or the number of his name.

    The RFID chip or whatever the mark turns out to be in and of itself is probably of no consequence. It is the worship and acceptance of the beast that gets the person on the condemned list. The mark is the evidence that that has happened.

    God does send angels throughout the world preaching the Gospel message to everyone who is left to accept Christ and reject the beast and warning them of the consequences in their own native tongues so none will have an excuse.

    Revelation and Daniel and some other passages are rich in imagery. We won't know until the events unfold what exactly the proper interpretation is. And really, if you've accepted Christ as Savior, it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong about what the proper interpretation of Revelation is. It will be seen in the fullness of time.

    The beast, however, is symbolic of many things: a man (the Antichrist, some supernatural being released from the Abyss, and an eighth kingdom on Earth). The seven heads are symbolic. The 10 horns and the little horn are symbolic. It is interpreted in Revelation itself (chapter 17). The seven heads and ten horns are commonly interpreted as seven world empires - mountains with rulers. Five had fallen in John's day (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece). One existed (Rome). One was to come - of the 10 kingdoms oppressing Israel in the end times. The Antichrist would form the eighth. The seven heads and 10 horns are in parallel with the interpretation of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar's dream with a head to the 10 toes of various materials which are also interpreted the same. The 10 toes represented kingdoms to come in the area of the old Roman Empire (the legs of the statue) but made of clay as not lasting. If you do a count, there are at least that many royal autocratic countries in the area of the old Roman Empire now - from England to various Islamic countries. There is no reason to come to different conclusions about what the Bible itself clearly interprets.

    Regardless of the nature of the mark of the beast it is evidently needed according to prophecy to buy and sell at some point in the future. Hardly symbolic.

  88. Re:Mark of the Beast by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

    According to Bible prophecy scholars, the book of Daniel indicates the Antichrist would come from one of the four divisions of the old Grecian empire - part of the Seleucid empire according to Daniel 8 and 11. So although that covers a lot of territory, it also eliminates a vast amount more, including anyone from the United States.

  89. Re:I implanted one 5 years ago - it's very conveni by stepho-wrs · · Score: 1

    What happens if you are killed in a some type of aeroplane crash or industrial accident where they can't find your hand?
    What happens if you are kidnapped and are never seen again?
    What happens if you lose your hand (but still survive) in some accident?
    No chip, no will !
    Might be wise to have a back up plan for that will.

  90. Re: Isn't it called Stockholm syndrome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh dear.
    1. I can say ANYTHING I want. We have freedom of speech / expression / religion in THE constitution
    2.I can live whereever I want to. What on earth makes you think that???? As for church, while, yes, you can be Christian, Muslim, Hindu or whatever you wish AND have your church/temple/Mosque etc, but another very positive thing here is that most people are atheists. Not particularly affected by irrelevant and incomprehensibly daft writing from thousands of years ago.

    More freedom? Well in some ways. Although the gun laws in the USA belong back in the wild west. I have no desire or need to own a gun, although if I did, I could, except it's far more regulated (as it should be) - I actually prefer the law in the UK. You get caught with a gun...10 years in jail.

    You really should visit Sweden and get educated. It's a beautiful country that is for the most part safe and stress-free.
    The murder stats....
    2017 - 113 (total)
    2016 - 106 (total)
    (population 10 million)

    Compare that to any single city in the US!!!!

    So freedom... Yes, I feel freer here than I ever would in the USA. Free of many of the worries that plague Americans. I don't worry about health insurance, I don't worry about being burgled, shot, mugged and I don't worry about losing my job. I also have plenty of time to spend with my family with weekends and holidays.

  91. Re: Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is no wonder people from the US think it's ok to make stuff up and post it as fact seeing as their tribal leader is undisputed champion

  92. Re: Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, in Amerikkka you can just look towards the Republican party and it's Cheeto-in-Chief. Not too difficult to find folks running on dog whistle politics, now is it?

    You know, if you can hear the dog whistle, then you're the dog...

  93. Re: Huge surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IKR? That whole "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" thing really suckered us all. Oh, wait, you meant Trump....

  94. range by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Unless it features contacts on the outside of the skin, it is a transceiver.

    Yes, RFID chips are transcievers. But, with a horrendously crappy range.
    And no really a good collision-resolution alrgorithms (*)
    So unless the attacker use extremely conspicuous bazooka-style ginormous cantenna, they WILL definitely have trouble tracking those Swedish thumbs.

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    (*) Though some RFID in some contactless cards I've seenchips do.
    In one of the Uni I've worked at, if your hands are busy, you could unlock doors by bringing the pocket with your wallet (full of various RFID cards) to the general vicinity of the sensor. The card and sensor will manage to negociate despite all the others cards.

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  95. Pure-blooded by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Are your pure-blood native criminals too stupid?

    I suspect that all the inbreeding to which the racist native criminals have subjected to themselves to keep their "pure blood" status, might have played out negatively and could indeed explain why they're much stupider~~ :-P

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  96. Range by DrYak · · Score: 1

    The problem is that RFID has a much crappier range than the typical car keyfob.
    In practice that would require the transmitter which goes near the victim to be crazy close (like in the same pocket where the victim put their hand), or to use a very conspicuous bazooka-style ginormous cantenna.

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  97. BULLSHIT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of your security plans work with RFID chips.

    Thanks for playing Bullshit Bingo though.