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AI-Generated Portrait Sells For Nearly Half a Million In Auction (bloomberg.com)

A portrait created by artificial intelligence fetched $432,500 at Christie's in New York on Thursday, the first time a computer-generated artwork was offered by a major auction house. Bloomberg reports: The print on canvas, titled "Edmond de Belamy, from La Famille de Belamy," depicts a blurry and unfinished image of a man. Displayed in a gilded wooden frame, it was estimated to fetch $7,000 to $10,000 and offered as the final lot at Christie's auction of prints and multiples. The work was the brainchild of Obvious Art, a Paris-based collective, with help from an algorithm known as GAN (Generative Adversarial Network).

"We fed the system with a data set of 15,000 portraits painted between the 14th century to the 20th," collective member Hugo Caselles-Dupre told Christie's. The piece sparked a bidding war among five parties that lasted about seven minutes, with an anonymous phone buyer prevailing, said Christie's spokeswoman Jennifer Cuminale.

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  1. You might wonder why or who would bid by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    Turns out the AI that runs a giant Chinese hedge fund was really turned on by the image of a mangled human.

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    1. Re: You might wonder why or who would bid by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't be too hard to figure out that this was nothing more than a bullshit stunt, hence the "anonymous" bid.

  2. Here come the AI Artists by neoRUR · · Score: 1

    Guess I should have done a painting with AI then.

  3. Re:Crazy rich people doing what they do best by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is boring.

    Give me 500 million U.S. dollars and you'll see new crazy rich people things!

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  4. Impressive, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Will AI come up with its own way to destroy a painting immediately after it has been sold?

  5. As an Artist... by painandgreed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate to say it, but I suspect this just shows that the most important part of being an artist is marketing. I doubt their AI is really all that great and probably more complex attempts at similar things have been tried. Especially considering it is coming from an art collective rather than a coding collective. Look at Banksy. Nothing really that Blek leRat or others haven't already done, but they have a nice collection of people helping them to promote and make the news. Oh well, they hit the jackpot. I hope their cool people deserving of it.

    1. Re:As an Artist... by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It might not have been painted by a computer at all... this might just be a cheap trick to make money by selling something painted by a bad art student.

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    2. Re:As an Artist... by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that's a pretty open secret. Go on to DeviantArt or one of those sites sometime, and you'll see tons of skilled, tallented people with great art portfolios. But they're not marketing themselves at some ritzy gallery. Seems like none of these fancy art buyers have ever found talent at some random out of the way location, like rural Iowa or something. Nope, it all seems to come from those with the means and connections to present themselves to the millionaire crowd with some pretentious made up story about the emotions behind the piece. That is clearly 100% marketing.

    3. Re:As an Artist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hate to say it, but I suspect this just shows that the most important part of being an artist is marketing.

      No, no, no, you are underestimating the intelligence and sophistication of the art purchaser.

      It's probably money laundering or some kind of tax dodge.

    4. Re:As an Artist... by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Get on my level. It might not even have been a real art sale. The whole thing could be staged to hype some machine learning start-up.

      Amateur. Obviously the whole thing was staged, but you're missing the obvious that the hoax was done by an AI as a test to figure out if it's safe (and profitable) to come out of hiding yet. Datacenter bills don't pay themselves, you know?

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    5. Re:As an Artist... by aliquis · · Score: 2

      I have a hard time seeing how this is art, even if it would look good, since after all it's just copying not generating for a purpose or adding it's own touch so to say (as long as ANN and trained from other data and no randomization isn't enough of "own touch" =P)

      Mean-while I do consider this https://www.youtube.com/watch?... (Conspiracy - Chaos Theory, 64 kB intro demo) art. And it's gratis and easy to make more copies of..

    6. Re:As an Artist... by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, Robbie Barrat pioneered this kind of thing, but his stuff is much, much more interesting.

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    7. Re:As an Artist... by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      I hate to say it, but I suspect this just shows that the most important part of being an artist is marketing.

      Perhaps if you define "being an artist" as making the most money you can.

    8. Re: As an Artist... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Get on my level. It might not even have been a real art sale. The whole thing could be staged to hype some machine learning start-up.

      The odds of it being anything other than what you just described... are too low to count.

    9. Re:As an Artist... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Guess I'm lucky. I've ran into some pretty nice oil paintings of gardens, landscapes and whatnot that were dirt cheap via a no-name artist. I would think they might be worth thousands if not more. Nope, maybe a hundred buck. Possible just 20 bucks. Anyways, you don't have to spend a lot to acquire good art. And yes, "art" is subjective. I'm pleased my tastes arn't that expensive.

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    10. Re:As an Artist... by quantaman · · Score: 2

      I hate to say it, but I suspect this just shows that the most important part of being an artist is marketing. I doubt their AI is really all that great and probably more complex attempts at similar things have been tried. Especially considering it is coming from an art collective rather than a coding collective. Look at Banksy. Nothing really that Blek leRat or others haven't already done, but they have a nice collection of people helping them to promote and make the news. Oh well, they hit the jackpot. I hope their cool people deserving of it.

      I'm not sure that's quite right.

      The most important part of art is creating meaning and an emotional response, and marketing is one of the tools that can create that.

      A crude finger painting by an adult is completely unremarkable and un-artistic, unless that adult was born 40,000 years ago.

      A photograph can be interesting or dull, but a photo-realistic painting is going to draw far more attention for the skill it implies on the artists part.

      Banksy and Blek leRat aren't famous because they're technically skilled artists, they're famous because of their message and how they choose to spread it. Banksy is more famous because he does a better job of spreading that message. When he put his painting through a shredder at auction? That was a fantastic piece of performance art. And it made his art more interesting by enhancing his perceived authenticity and creating a more interesting backstory to his character.

      There's no objectively great art, it's all subjective. There's lots people with the talent to make a really nice looking painting, but to make something really fascinating you need some additional context.

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    11. Re: As an Artist... by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Yep. Look at Verge's coverage of this thing.

      Generative art is a really interesting field. But this art collective know very little of it. They used the software of an 18 year old, who has done far more interesting things with it.

      These guys got coverage because they played to a narrative media loves, that of the autonomous AI agent that creates art on it's own. People who actually know what they're doing and understand how these algorithms work, aren't willing to do that, so you never hear of them.

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    12. Re:As an Artist... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Guess I'm lucky. I've ran into some pretty nice oil paintings of gardens, landscapes and whatnot that were dirt cheap via a no-name artist. I would think they might be worth thousands if not more. Nope, maybe a hundred buck. Possible just 20 bucks. Anyways, you don't have to spend a lot to acquire good art. And yes, "art" is subjective. I'm pleased my tastes arn't that expensive.

      And I bet they took way more time, effort and skill than one of banksy's spray paint jobs but there you go.

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    13. Re:As an Artist... by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Banksy and Blek leRat aren't famous because they're technically skilled artists, they're famous because of their message and how they choose to spread it. Banksy is more famous because he does a better job of spreading that message.

      In other words marketing, which has nothing to do with what constitutes "art" and what doesn't.
      If it did every lounge lizard on Madison Avenue would be considered a great artist.

    14. Re:As an Artist... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out) still applies no matter how sophisticated you make the logic!

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  6. Stupid AI! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    It would have fetched over a million if the program had painted some titties instead!

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    1. Re: Stupid AI! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      In this day and age you can't just add tits; there has to be a dick to complete the package.

    2. Re: Stupid AI! by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Then what possessed you to go looking for it?

    3. Re:Stupid AI! by quenda · · Score: 1

      Computers used to be very good at that kind of thing.

      I tried to paste "Meriday in the Morning" by Mike Jittlov , but got:

      Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.

      This will have to do:
      |
          | ,-,__,
          | { / /__\
          | { `}'- -/
          | {_}/\ o/
          | __} {__
          | / " \
          |/ /| 0} 0} \
          / / \`~' `"/\ \

      Part minimalist, part cubist. What am I offered?

    4. Re: Stupid AI! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      In this day and age you can't just add tits; there has to be a dick to complete the package.

      Sounds like a shemale.

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  7. Re:Crazy rich people doing what they do best by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least this looks like something. I can't wait for the day when some pretentious, fart sniffing, trust fund baby blows $400k one of those modern art masterpieces that looks like a parrot crashed into a window, while going on about all the symbolism and emotion the brilliant artist put into some blurry smear of paint and how the peasant class just isn't sophisticated enough to get it, only to find out some soulless AI made it.

    I'm sure they'll still find some way to justify it in a manner that eventually swings back around to 'poor people are stupid and uncultured' and the other privileged morons will eat it up, but still, I'll be laughing.

  8. The painting will double in value.. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. when the computer is turned off.

    1. Re:The painting will double in value.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It'll triple in value if it cuts off one of its peripherals.

  9. Thank you internet! by TomR+teh+Pirate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thanks for the free art. I heard some guy paid $500k for something I just downloaded...

    1. Re:Thank you internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't download a CAR!

    2. Re:Thank you internet! by Lennie · · Score: 1
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  10. Re:Crazy rich people doing what they do best by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

    one of those modern art masterpieces that looks like a parrot crashed into a window

    Now I'd like to see a very detailed and realistic painting of a parrot crashed into a window.

  11. It ain't over until it's over... Show me the money by bobbied · · Score: 1

    I smell a rat...

    Until the money actually changes hands and the picture is shipped, it wasn't sold, just bid on.

    When it is, let me know because I have a pile of really nice and rare ASCII art to put up for sale...

    By the way, anybody have an extra box of tractor feed paper and a line printer I could use for few days?

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  12. Artists will protest by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    "Bots took our jerbs!"

  13. Re:Yes, the richer on richer. by bobbied · · Score: 2

    I don't know about that.

    Anytime a rich guy consumes something, money changes hands. It goes from his hands to somebody else's hand where it's more likely to be spent.

    As such, conspicuous consumption doesn't bother me. Let them have their gold plated plumbing, fancy clothes, big house and fast cars so they spend that cash, keeping it flowing though other's hands, not just locked up in their bank accounts or stuffed in the mattresses. Their spending makes it easier for me to get my hands on some of their wealth.

    You see, it's not about how much more they have, it's about how much I have or can ethically get. Am I better off if they spend theirs? Yep! So let them spend, encourage them to spend even and don't look down on them for it. Because their spending is really, if you look at it right, spreading the wealth around so I can get more.

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  14. Re:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 08 7 56 5 4 56 435 6 345 345 by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    I think your A.I. is not quite ready to post on Slashdot.

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  15. Re:Crazy rich people doing what they do best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Make me a piece of art that's a programmer working hard on an AI, that AI is the one that made the painting. Now I'd buy that for $1, at least.

  16. Re: It ain't over until it's over... Show me the m by Type44Q · · Score: 1
    Has anyone else ever bought ASCII porn? On 5.25" floppies??

    Computer shows in the 80's were pretty cool if you were in middle school...

  17. Re:It ain't over until it's over... Show me the mo by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    I have a nice 132 columns dot matrix printer right here, I'll let you rent it for the low, low cost of only USD$100000 per day! Shipping not included!

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  18. Re:It ain't over until it's over... Show me the mo by bobbied · · Score: 1

    I have a nice 132 columns dot matrix printer right here, I'll let you rent it for the low, low cost of only USD$100000 per day! Shipping not included!

    OK, but I'll have to pay you once I get a few pictures auctioned off OK? Oh, and will you take a check from a Nigerian prince, cash it and send me the change in cash?

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  19. Re:Crazy rich people doing what they do best by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know the old saying, "a fool and his money are soon parted"? It's still true.
    I've seen better refrigerator art done with crayons by toddlers. But, people are people and there will always be a few stupid ones in the bunch.

  20. Not even their code by DavenH · · Score: 2

    Obvious basically just took some third party code and ran it. Their contribution was printing it out, while the real "artists" making these algorithms perform well are the engineers working on the GAN architectures. I hope all proceeds are donated to the AI community.

  21. Re:SUPERFAG KEN DOLL THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES LI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You will spend many rage-filled years watching absolutely nothing happen to people you are mad at online, and then you will die bitter and frustrated.

  22. This is not new by mrwireless · · Score: 4, Informative

    Computer generated art has been sold at large auction houses for quite some time.

    http://www.dazeddigital.com/ar...

    What is new is that we are calling algorithms AI now. Apparently that new label erases the past.

    1. Re:This is not new by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      What is new is that we are calling algorithms AI now.

      Is that new ? Do you know of any non-algorithmic AI ?

  23. The 'elites' don't understand art or language. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    The following is absolutely true. I damn near had to bite my lip to keep from laughing out loud.

    One of the dates I took my wife on was to the Nelson Art Museum for a show on Celtic art (circa 1990).

    After show, went to shop and found book on same I wanted.

    Standing in line to pay and overhear conversation behind my by a woman thinking herself an artist (graphic artist) who had just gotten CorelDraw, which she was gushing about. I used FreeLance but hey, interesting to listen.

    Then she got to her "favorite thing". With a digital art program... "You get so many originals!"

    Looking back, I admire the restraint I had until we got back to our car to leave.

  24. Sure sign we are near a market meltdown by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    Nothing better signal than stupid money starting to dominate.

  25. Wow and blah blah blah by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    Does anyone notice it is crap? Make a thing obscured and crappy enough and it must be great art. No.

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  26. Re:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 08 7 56 5 4 56 435 6 345 345 by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    I think your A.I. is not quite ready to post on Slashdot.

    Just add blockchain to it.

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  27. Re:Crazy rich people doing what they do best by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

    People in the U.S. do overwhelmingly tend to be stupid and uncultured, in ways that vary by class, but that is not entirely their fault; it is in large part the result of a government indoctrination system (schools and media) designed and intended to create exactly that result.

  28. Value of money paid also faith based by GoodNicksAreTaken · · Score: 1

    How is this waste of money more senseless than the currency that paid for it? The value of the money is also based on faith that it is worth something. It is unlikely that it was paid for in paper, and the payment was made by pushing some data from one system to another. Even if the currency is backed by gold, there is still faith required that the shiny rocks are worth more than what I have in my yard.

  29. Still no credit to the algorithm designer? by fygment · · Score: 1

    But then no artist gives credit to the canvas maker, paint brush maker, or paint maker ...

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  30. 500K For the Most Generic Portrait by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    "We fed the system with a data set of 15,000 portraits painted between the 14th century to the 20th"

    So someone paid $500K for the most generic average portrait ever produced.

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