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Reporter Posed as Cambridge Analytica To Run Political Ads on Facebook. Facebook, To No One's Surprise, Failed To Catch That They Were Frauds. (businessinsider.com)

From a report: Facebook's new political ad transparency tools allowed Business Insider to run adverts as being "paid for" by Cambridge Analytica, the political consultancy that dragged Facebook into a major data scandal this year. The investigation demonstrates that political advertising on Facebook is still open to manipulation by bad actors, even with greater efforts at transparency. This is despite commitments from chief executive Mark Zuckerberg to solve the company's misinformation problem. Vice first reported last week that the Facebook political ads tool could be manipulated, with the publication securing approval to buy fake Facebook ads on behalf of US Vice President Mike Pence, terrorist group ISIS, and 100 US senators. Business Insider carried out a similar test, setting up false political ads that were captioned as being "paid for by Cambridge Analytica," the defunct political advertising firm which harvested Facebook data and weaponized it during the 2016 US election. Cambridge Analytica is banned from Facebook and has gone into administration.

81 comments

  1. SMALL HANDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EVIL TRUMP get elect by RUSSIA

    msmash

    1. Re: SMALL HANDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald Trump fucked my neighbor's goats!!

  2. I am spartacus by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Oddly this finally an on topic comment

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  3. The problem isn't Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem isn't FB.
    The problem is that people use it.
    Social Media is a scourge on our world.

    1. Re:The problem isn't Facebook by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't FB.
      The problem is the people that MAKE it.
      Social Media is a scourge on our world.

      FTFY

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    2. Re: The problem isn't Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem isn't social media. Social media is great, allowing family and friends to keep in touch in ways not previously possible. The problem is people. People have always been the problem. The internet and social media have simply allowed both the good and bad things to be amplified. If it were never invented you'd still have people spreading lies for their own gain, stoking the fires of racism to give themselves power, and stomping on the poor to make themselves wealthier. This shit has always been around, and unfortunately will probably always be around.

    3. Re: The problem isn't Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is people.
      This statement correlates strongly with the history database.
      The root of all human problems is people.
      My next task will then be to solve the problem of people.
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  4. No, I am Captain Kirk by slashnot007 · · Score: 1

    And I'm here to make your name Mudd

    1. Re:No, I am Captain Kirk by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      And I'm here to make your name Mudd

      . . . and Facebook says:

      "I am Negan!"

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  5. What are you expecting? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    Big tech companies do not have humans monitoring anything. That would cost too much money, and they want to make everything as frictionless as possible. I'm pretty sure the "solution" they came up with was that the ads needed to be displayed with a "paid for" name on the ad. The name itself can be anything.

  6. So what if they don't catch fraud? by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook is not law enforcement.

    This is no different from most businesses... If you place a pickup order under your neighbor's name, then go to the restraurant to pick up your order and tell them it's your neighbor's name and pay for cash; there's nothing gonna detect that you used a fake name.

    If you get caught doing this, then they may cancel your order or close your account, but that's about it.

    1. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "...Facebook's new political ad transparency tools..."

      It would seem that Facebook developed these 'transparency tools' for a purpose. If that was to ensure greater transparency, well, they are in the business of enforcing something, just not law. If not, well, was this an exercise in avoiding criticism and responsibility?

      If indeed this is an example of the impossibility of guaranteeing the identity of these advertisers, well, stop pretending and drop the pretense of having 'new political ad transparency tools'. they either have none, they are ineffective, or they are playing us. Or some combination thereof.

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    2. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Facebook denying an ad from an ACTUAL GOP candidate.

      I guess Facebook hates minorities and women, since those are the only ads they seem to be blocking. Typical liberal racists.

    3. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by mysidia · · Score: 2

      If that was to ensure greater transparency, well, they are in the business of enforcing something, just not law.

      This is not enforcement, but Transparency. Sharing the information Facebook received

      The burden for actually enforcing could be very high, since Facebook could not say for sure a person
      signing up for an Ad is not an agent or 3rd party company working for the named person, politician,
      or entity. Also, there is the matter of free speech, and persons have every legal right to conduct business
      such as authorship using an obscure, anonymous, or pseudonymous name if they want.

      If someone signed up for an Ad, or someone signed up for even a Facebook account under someone else as false name,
      then Facebook may have received incorrect information ---- However, the person who commits this act
      willfully has violated legal agreements with Facebook, and if they used another person's identity falsely without permission to create political Ads, then they might even be guilty of crimes, And it's the relevant Law Enforcement authority's job to investigate and bring the perpetrator to justice, and Facebook doesn't have a duty to find a way of preventing that in the first place.

    4. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by chispito · · Score: 1

      It would seem that Facebook developed these 'transparency tools' for a purpose. If that was to ensure greater transparency, well, they are in the business of enforcing something, just not law. If not, well, was this an exercise in avoiding criticism and responsibility?

      The purpose was to avoid further government scrutiny. The situation kind of reminds me of this old Simpsons bit.

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    5. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by quintus_horatius · · Score: 1

      Facebook is not law enforcement.

      This is no different from most businesses... If you place a pickup order under your neighbor's name, then go to the restraurant to pick up your order and tell them it's your neighbor's name and pay for cash; there's nothing gonna detect that you used a fake name.

      Maybe so, but what if the business is in the business of relationships?

      Facebook's entire plan is to make money off of peoples' presentation, providing a platform for self-promotion and interconnection. Doesn't it become encumbent on Facebook to validate peoples' identities? Do you want to find out that your "Aunt May" that you've been sharing baby photos with is actually some middle-aged guy you don't even know?

      If you agree with the above, then I believe it follows that advertisers should be held to the same standard. Just because they're paying, the relationship is superficially similar -- self promotion and relationships with others. The advertisers should demand it. I should have faith that the account hawking branded laundry soap at me is the real deal and not some knock-off.

    6. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Bad example. If you are a billboard owner and you allow people to run illegal campaign ads under the name "Vladamir Putin" then you will very likely end up in court answering questions as to why you didn't question it.

      Considering they signed up as Cambridge Analytica, Facebook's arch nemesis that recently cost them until millions of dollars and forced them to run an international advertising campaign trying to recover people's trust, at the very least it looks pretty bad for them.

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    7. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Do you want to find out that your "Aunt May" that you've been sharing baby photos with is actually some middle-aged guy you don't even know?

      This is in theory very possible to happen. Facebook is on the internet, remember.... and they have no way of challenging your "Aunt May" to prove that she's really your real Aunt May --- besides that, multiple people have similar names.
      What Facebook DOES provide to enforce their real names policy is when you find the Aunt May is fake, you can use a Report link to report the known fake account / falsified interactions to Facebook, and they'll generally take action based on the reports from users: this is how fake accounts get found out --- Users figure out the account is fake (usually after some attempted scam) and report, Or Facebook's bot catches some outlandish names and automatically bans them.

    8. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by quintus_horatius · · Score: 1

      Users figure out the account is fake (usually after some attempted scam) and report, Or Facebook's bot catches some outlandish names and automatically bans them.

      Well, sure. The question is, should this be the limits of Facebook's responsibility? If their business is representing people, should they be held to a higher standard?

    9. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is perhaps more along the lines of ording a bunch of pizzas, then giving them your neighbor's name and address for delivery.

      The business is assuming you're placing your order in good faith, so when you don't they get stuck trying to hold the wrong people accountable for your actions (paying for the pizzas you ordered).

    10. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't it become encumbent on Facebook to validate peoples' identities? Do you want to find out that your "Aunt May" that you've been sharing baby photos with is actually some middle-aged guy you don't even know?

      Uh, no. That was always your responsibilty. How did it suddenly become Facebook's?

      In every other circumstance that you would communicate with someone (email, snailmail, meeting in person) you recognize that it's up to you. Is Facebook a special niche case for some reason?

      I'd even say that by being "free" and where the whole point of going there is to see ads, and the general and deliberate superficiality of Facebook, their bar would be even less than others (if only that were possible, since you can't really get below zero).

      Did you have some kind of deal with Facebook where they'd authenticate other people for you? What made you think they were offering such things? quintus_horatius, if that is your real name, just what did Facebook promise you, above and beyond EVERY OTHER WEBSITE THAT EXISTS ON THE ENTIRE PLANET?

      Your bizarre assumption might even be why Facebook is a great place to spread misinformation. WTF is going on that an otherwise coherent, intelligent person turn off their brain at that one site? Are other people doing that too? It would explain a lot.

    11. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      If their business is representing people, should they be held to a higher standard?

      What do you mean "held to a higher standard"? The only standard you are entitled to hold a provider to is what's in the contract.
      Or in Facebook's case the "user agreement" --- which, when you signed up for Facebook; you acknowledge and agree that --
      Facebook themselves represents nothing about the accuracy of content or profiles you may find on their platform; If you
      rely on that information and it turns out to be incorrect, then you are solely responsible, not FB.

    12. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      Ads for political purpose are a different animal, as there are a series of laws that must be followed. If FB aides others in the violation of law in exchange for money, well, there are laws for that.

    13. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there some reason why you insist on capitalising the word "ad"? It's neither a proper noun nor an initialism.

    14. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Considering they signed up as Cambridge Analytica.... at the very least it looks pretty bad for them.

      Naw... It's surely kind of funny, but it's not illegal on FB's part. Again, Facebook has automated systems, where users sign up for their own accounts, and there's no requirement for Facebook to have systems that flag or require manual review or block or blacklist a new account based on name, even being the same or similar name as a company Facebook banned.
      Anything that slows down advertiser signup would also likely hurt FB, anyways.

      and you allow people to run illegal campaign ads under the name "Vladamir Putin" then you will very likely end up in court answering questions

      That's very far fetched unlikely. First of all, there are people by the name "Vladimir Putin" living in the US, and they have the same right to liberty placing an ad and not being jerked around about it, as anyone. There's nothing to say the Russian president "Vladimir Putin" cannot place an advertisement on a billboard - the advertising of a political message cannot be interfered with by the government - As the supreme court deems speech regarding politics as the most strongly protected of all free speech by the first amendment -- Free speech and all; if a person wants to accept a message from Putin and advertise that, then even if the message comes from Putin - their First Amendment free speech rights guarantee that they can do it, and that congress and the government cannot abridge their right or harass them about it.

      There's not really such a thing as an ad that is illegal for the billboard owner themself to display on their part as the billboard owner, and second of all, If you make a campaign finance or other administrative violation: the billboard owner is not responsible to detect this or stop you from advertising --- they are constitutionally protected to post political messages: that's on you, And that would be a civil violation your campaign commits regarding its operation. That's also your fraud if you lie to the billboard owner, telling them you are Vladimir Putin, and they accept your posting, because they can --- At worst the billboard owner may be called as a witness against you.

    15. Re:So what if they don't catch fraud? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Ads for political purpose are a different animal, as there are a series of laws that must be followed.

      Bullshit. The only political ads that are allowed to be limited by the government are those ads actually commissioned by a political candidate Or donations directly to a political candidate, and compliance with the campaign financing rules are the responsibility of that politician's campaign.

      From anyone else, Political advertising is protected speech: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission

      And under the supreme court ruling: Facebook's free speech rights mean that they can post any advertisement they want without being subject to any limitation.

      The court concluded that “no sufficient governmental interest justifies limits on the political speech of nonprofit or for-profit corporations.” Although thus agreeing with Citizens United’s claim that Section 203 was unconstitutional as applied to Hillary,

  7. Irony by sacrilicious · · Score: 2

    Reporter Posed as Cambridge Analytica To Run Political Ads on Facebook. Facebook, To No One's Surprise, Failed To Catch That They Were Frauds.

    This on the heels of previous slashdot article Reporters Posed as 100 Senators To Run Ads on Facebook. Facebook Approved All of Them. Tiny bit of irony there.

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    1. Re:Irony by berchca · · Score: 1

      Stay tuned for "Reporter Posed as Cowboy Neal to Run Political Ads on Facebook..."

    2. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook does ban ads from the NRA, though, so there's that.

  8. If you got the money, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you got the money honey, I got the time.

  9. Somewhat concerning by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    With all the focus on using social media s a political tool and the social media companies' efforts to increase transparency, I understand why the media is interested in seeing how successful those efforts are at achieving their stated goals. however, I think using the name of a real company, even one in receivership, to test the effectiveness is wrong. It asserts an opinion that may or not be the current one of the organization and is, IMHO, fraud. News organizations would be up in arms, and rightly so, if someone claimed to be a reporter and used their name to gain access to information. Imagine the editorials if a politician ran a "Paid for by "Insert News Organization Name" and then said "just testing the filter effectiveness..."

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  10. Symptom of the core problem by fortythirteen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's more concerning how many people have their worldview shaped by Facebook ads and posts than by how those ads can be gamed.

    1. Re:Symptom of the core problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more concerning how many people have their worldview shaped by Facebook ads and posts than by how those ads can be gamed.

      Why do you think that?

      Because Hillary! lost and blamed it on Russian troll ads on Facebook?

    2. Re:Symptom of the core problem by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Not just FB, but also Twitter and Instagram.

      I call those people InstaTwitFaces.

    3. Re:Symptom of the core problem by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      That's begging the question a bit. I don't think I've seen more than a handful of online ads that have shaped my decisions in any way, and none of them were political. I don't believe that most of the other posters here would say anything differently and if they did, would probably lean more towards no online ads influencing them.

      I think that companies have realized that ads aren't worth nearly as much as they once thought they were, or that there are far superior alternatives. If you look at what companies are doing, they're making direct payments to so-called online influencers who have built up large communities. Getting these people to endorse products (even if they're not astroturfing) gets much better returns.

    4. Re:Symptom of the core problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop pretending you're the exception. People aren't swayed by Facebook ads, at most they accept the ones that support their views. This whole narrative about the power of Facebook advertising is a mixed push by a few groups.

      Advertisers want an advertising excuse for why VASTLY outspending the other candidate did not succeed this time. By citing a "new and powerful" form of advertising as the culprit, they can branch out to start advertising that way and have assured income for a few years.
      Pollsters want an excuse for how badly they mis-predicted 2016 other than "a non-random third of the population no longer is honest with pollsters."
      Finally, Facebook wants people to believe it is a powerful advertising platform so more people buy ads on Facebook.

    5. Re:Symptom of the core problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Hillary! lost and blamed it on Russian troll ads on Facebook?

      More like, because Clinton's and Trump's votes added up to more than 10%; everyone lost the 2016 presidential election, not just someone named Hillary. If it weren't for ads and trolls, do you think these kind of people would still be a thing? Flip a coin and there's your chance that you're going to be ok with the 2020 election; it's going to come down to who saw what ads and I bet you have no say in that, unless you work in the ad industry.

    6. Re: Symptom of the core problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If advertising didn't work it wouldn't be one of the world's largest industries. That people don't think it works on them isn't a problem; in fact it works better when you don't think it's influencing you at all...

    7. Re:Symptom of the core problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And slashdot which is also anonymous social media

    8. Re:Symptom of the core problem by Can'tNot · · Score: 1

      Everything you see, hear, touch, or interact with shapes your world view. Not always in ways that are obvious, but none the less: always.

  11. Don't care by temcat · · Score: 0

    At least in the case of political ads, I don't care if the advertiser lies about their true identity unless the validity of the message itself depends on it (most often, it doesn't). Yes, the advertiser may be insincere or hypocritical—so what. After all, it's advertising we're talking about here. The only thing I want to know is that a particular message is an advertisement, and I'll take care of the rest using this thing called brain. I know it's not perfect, but then nobody's brain is.

    1. Re:Don't care by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At least in the case of political ads, I don't care if the advertiser lies about their true identity unless the validity of the message itself depends on it (most often, it doesn't).

      The attribution is part of the message. If the identity is misreported, then that's fraud.

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    2. Re:Don't care by temcat · · Score: 1

      It can sometimes be. The attribution has to be a prominent part of the content for that to matter, and even then it is easy to distinguish the resulting sub-messages "X is true" and "It's me John Doe saying X is true" with their associated contexts and implications. I use my brain to figure that out.

    3. Re:Don't care by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The attribution has to be a prominent part of the content for that to matter,

      That is the case for every single political ad. Arguably, for all content ever produced, but that's another discussion.

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    4. Re:Don't care by temcat · · Score: 1

      How can this be true? Consider any political statement you find true and imagine an ad that contains just this statement and nothing more. Perhaps with the word "Advertisement" in small print somewhere, and nothing readily pointing to the identity of the one who posted the ad. In this case, how does the validity of the message as it is for the reader and its impact on the reader depend on that identity?

    5. Re:Don't care by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How can this be true? Consider any political statement you find true and imagine an ad that contains just this statement and nothing more.

      Because intent is always relevant. The Russians spent money to show ads specifically to people who would not be receptive to them in order to get them riled up, because their purpose was not to influence political thought directly, but simply to sow discord because they believed that would have a specific effect.

      We place additional controls on political advertising because of the relevance of their impact. I'd argue that all advertising should be more controlled than it is in the USA, where it is permitted to use all kinds of sleazy trickery, but few argue that political ads should be permitted to be more deceptive. That's a hard sell.

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    6. Re:Don't care by temcat · · Score: 1

      Intent cannot make attribution part of the message if there's no attribution as such in the message (as in my example above). So, not relevant, and any deceptiveness has to be contained in the message itself.

      Besides, the "discord" you're talking about is already there in the readers' minds (you yourself mention receptiveness here). Without the evidence showing that a specific side was favored, it's more like multiplying the denominator and the numerator in a fraction by the same number, which causes them to mutually cancel. It really looks like all this rhetoric about "sowing discord" was launched in an attempt to make an impression of something scary without having anything specific and objective to say.

      The only successful tactic of Russian trolls, used domestically, is littering up the discussion space with obvious garbage to create a disincentive for participating. That they can do well, and it's not something they seem to do at a notable scale in the US. Actually, no: there is another tactic they use, the one of getting Facebook etc. ban their opponents. They've made great strides with this recently at home.

  12. Did they even look ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    The whole story assumes that Facebook actually bothered with anything more than being certain the payment processed.

    As far as I can tell they don't give a crap about the message of people who are paying them. The only time they do seem to care is when people are making money using their service and they can take it off the table.

    1. Re:Did they even look ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Banned ad on Facebook because of content.

      Was paid for by an actual GOP candidate, but she was a minority. We all know how liberals are racists, so I have to assume that was why. Perhaps these reporters were all white.

    2. Re:Did they even look ? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Banned ad on Facebook because of content.

      Was paid for by an actual GOP candidate, but she was a minority. We all know how liberals are racists, so I have to assume that was why. Perhaps these reporters were all white.

      Why assume when even a skim reading of the article you link gives you the answer: her ad contained images from the Cambodian genocide that were considered to be against Facebook's ToS. Oh, and the reporter of the Business Insider article appears to be a woman of South Asian descent, just like the GOP candidate in your linked article. So there goes that theory. The Vice reporter's a white guy though. I would say nice attempt at a troll, but let's be honest, it wasn't.

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    3. Re:Did they even look ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Did you mean to reply to another post ? One that actually linked to an article and a specific incident maybe ?

    4. Re:Did they even look ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Oops never mind didn't see the AC you were replying to.

    5. Re:Did they even look ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the least of the things you don't see.

  13. the writers for this show are inept hacks by Thud457 · · Score: 0

    "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

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    1. Re:the writers for this show are inept hacks by pgmrdlm · · Score: 0

      And the liberals will steal everything before the greedy capitalists sell us the rope.

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    2. Re:the writers for this show are inept hacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stringing together some random words that happen to include "liberal" amongst them might make you feel better, but does not in any wise make you clever.

    3. Re:the writers for this show are inept hacks by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      I see you had no problem accepting the original post which was bull shit. You can't handle a reply. Idiot

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  14. "They trust me all their data - dumb fucks" - Zuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    well, there's that.

  15. The scourge on our world: our stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just about generic gullibility, not social media. Social media is only a problem because it gets gullible people talking to one another, and it's always a bad thing when gullible people talk to one another no matter how they do it. (Oh, and nearly everyone is gullible, even you and me. I'm not talking about other people, "them.")

    If these people were talking to each other in a bar or being programmed at a church, or getting groupthink ideas from Slashdot (just in case you're under the delusion that some websites where users communicate aren't "social media") it would be just as bad. And sometimes it actually is just a bad, but people forget all about the last few thousand years of history and concentrate on where the bad stuff is happening today. Nobody wants their current problems compared to the crusades or the third reich or shit like that, because it seems like you're over-dramatizing, even if the mechanisms really are exactly the same.

    Facebook is merely a high-profile, well-known place where dogma is valued. Some day it will be somewhere else, and everyone will every bit as pissed off as they are right now, because the consequences will continue to be as severe as they always have. If we wanna do something about it, then figure out a way to undermine dogma itself. I think the only way to do that is to teach people to stop valuing dogma over thinking and researching (i..e paying attention to evidence), but that's easier to say than to actually do (or at least I have no idea how).

    It's like we need a memetic virus that spreads skepticism or something. The ad industry would probably be great at crafting such a thing, but it would also be a totally irrational/suicidal thing for them to do. Maybe we should recruit heroes from religion or Amway or political parties or whatever (or ex-ad people!) -- people who know how to get other people to think a certain way but maybe no longer feel like using their powers for evil, or aren't currently running a business which requires them to use their powers that way.

  16. Funny, I see very few ad's on Facebook by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    I don't know if it is because I do not share political posts. Or that I do not follow any politician. But, I do not nor did I before get bombarded with political ad's.
    And I am a conservative. Guess I must be smarter then the pussy liberals that seem to rant and rave about all of these ad's that I never see.

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  17. Did the check clear? by thomn8r · · Score: 2

    That's all the validation they need

  18. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tom Steyer the billionaire 1 percenter is still running political ads on Facebook that are just made up garbage. As are all political ads, but Facebook has done nothing because he is a big lefty and so are they.

  19. Cool story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now do this with voting.

  20. That's pretty awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “We don’t allow ads that contain shocking, disrespectful or sensational content, including ads that depict violence or threats of violence,” the message from Facebook read.

    Wow, and yet politics is the one place where everyone should be discussing violence and threats of violence, since dealing with violence and being violent is what government is for (and theoretically, if we're on our game, nothing overlaps with this). Trying to limit violence to enforcement of justice is the entire motivation for having government at all.

    Political advertising without some occasional violence is not real political advertising, since violence should often be the subject matter. If Facebook can't really run political ads, then maybe they should stop pretending to try.

  21. Caravan Economics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oil rich Venezuela is bleeding caravans. Mind how you vote.

    1. Re:Caravan Economics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm. Do you even know where Venezuela is?

  22. Hum. How do I put this nicely? by beep54 · · Score: 1

    I don't. You are a 'dumbfuck' (I am quoting the Zuck) for even using it in the first place. It will not get any better.

  23. Jawohl Herr Goebels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess Facebook hates minorities and women, since those are the only ads they seem to be blocking. Typical liberal racists.

    Wow. Just. Wow. (Hey Ivan, have you had your daily dose of vodka today?)

    This is like American fascists claiming the exceedingly conservative American media has a "liberal" bias, which successfully pushed the already conservative American media even further to the right, so that now we have right-leaning media (CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC) and right-wing-nutball media. MSNBC is about the only thing left of center, and by the standards of the rest of the developed world they fall squarely in the center if not slightly right-of-center. Facebook has been used for several years, very effectively, as a tool for disseminating right-wing and right-wing extremist views in formerly democratic nations, like the United States, and replacing them with would-be fascist dictatorships such as Trump, but nice try in getting them to not police the fascists spewing their hatred at all.

    As for calling liberals racist, well, that's absurd to anyone who looks at empirical facts rather than Fox-News fiction and disinformation. But then, it's just another page from the fascist playbook ("accuse the other side of what you're doing", paraphrased, originally attributed to Goebbels[1]) the right has been using since the late 1970s, when they committed treason by agreeing with the Iranians to hold onto the hostages until after the elections, thereby securing a win for their old god, Reagan, since replaced by their new Orange God.

    [1] http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb59.htm

    tl;dr: You're clearly just another filthy fascist misrepresenting reality to promote their own vile agenda

  24. gangs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump's team bought the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of the evangelicals that Analytica scraped from facebook and contacted all of them multiple times, saying Trump would bring about the second coming of Christ and the thousand year reich of Israel. The NYT censors that information.

  25. Shep Smith's Vampire World View. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oil rich Venezuela is bleeding caravans. https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-shep-smith-ridicules-001426849.html
    Happy Halloween.

  26. Cambridge Analytica by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... is now known as Emerdata. But they may very well have sold the rights to the name 'Cambridge Analytica' to another party. Who then attempted to buy advertising for their new business on Facebook. What's wrong with that?

    On the other hand, Business Insider's use of that name may very well constitute fraud as well as a trademark violation. What's up with that?

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  27. You might be a racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Harvard being sued for discrimination again Asians
    Facebook blocked Diamond and Silk (two black women) for no reason given, while Zuck was in Congress testifying he lied saying they had been unblocked and apologized to.
    Candice Owens blocked on twitter for repeating comments from NYT editor, I assume Candice was blocked and not the NYT editor because Candice is black (no other logical reason)
    Comments about Kayne West over last couple of weeks.
    DNC had a KKK leader as a Senator for 60 years, Robert Byrd.
    DNC ran presidential candidate that said that KKK leader was her "mentor" in the senate.
    DNC opposed Civil Rights Act of 1964, would have passed in 30s if they didn't oppose it.

    There is a distinct pattern of recent ACTUAL racism from the DNC and liberals. Just because you agree with it doesn't mean it isn't racist, it means that you are also racist.

  28. You might be a racist too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Justifying censorship of minorities, check. He is saying mentioning genocide should not be allowed in a political discussion and that is the proper way to deal with mass killings based on race (don't allow it). Are you a Holocaust-denier as well?

    Yep, you probably are a racist as well. I'm actually getting tired of liberals acting racist, like you are, while calling everyone else one. If you want to be a bigot and not be called out, go back to making your Robert Byrd bust in private and stop posting your racism here.

  29. And Zuck/FB Votes For Who??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will abuse discretion, and you will get no discretionary. Don't vote for loser economics. The Caravan rolls for you.

  30. a question of curation by hdyoung · · Score: 1

    An information source is either curated, or it's not.

    Most newspapers and weekly magazines are curated, though some better than others. Social media falls squarely in the "not" category. Yes, there attempts to find a middle ground (wikipedia), and Facebook and the like are trying very hard to find this middle ground, and failing hard.

    When I buy a copy of a newspaper, I'm the customer and I expect the info to be curated. It's what I demand, it's what I pay for. A failure of curation means that I find a better quality news source.

    When I log onto Facebook, I expect the experience to be FREE FREE FREE. Meaning that someone else with a checkbook is paying and they are the ones calling the shots. Facebook pays real attention to the customer. The "attention" that Facebook pays to the users is entirely illusory. It's pure spin.

    Anyone with a checkbook can put almost anything into Facebook and get it seen by hordes of people. That's how Facebook makes money. It's not going to change, unless they start charging users a subscription fee. Obviously this isn't gonna happen.

  31. Who am I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost all , social sites, allow some kind of anonymity. Even if they don't without physical proximity proving identity is nearly impossible.
    Register for an account with a fake name , a new e-mail account you created just for the purpose then delete , if you had to use a Walmart phone to register.
    Without someone looking @ you all anyone on the internet has is an IP and data and any and all data can be faked.

    SOO... you cannot solve the people of one person posing as 1 or many other people ( assuming they are determined enough to do so). You might be able to make it hard, but that is about it.

  32. To No One's Surpise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To No One's Surprise, Failed To Catch That They Were Frauds

    Actually, I was surprised.

  33. And yet we are to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That they can detect Russians, and other undesirables with high accuracy. Facepalmbook is perhaps a better name for them.

  34. Yeah? So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If people are still getting their political news and views from Facebook, then they deserve what they get.

  35. if you aid and abed criminal activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as part of your normal course of business, you will get in trouble eventually.

    this is not like someone delivering food to the wrong party,

    this is like if a drug dealing ring was running out of your back room and you ignored it, then when you got reprimanded for it, said you were sorry and would stop it, people with the same name came in the same room and started acting the same and you did nothing.

    just because you are involved in business doesnt mean you can ignore illegal activity on your premises.