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System76 Thelio Computer is Open Source, Linux-Powered, and Made in the USA (betanews.com)
System76 is ready to share specifics about its new computer. From a report: There are three models from which to choose, and all three can apparently be configured with with Intel or AMD processors. This is refreshing news, as historically, System76 machines were an Intel-only affair. AMD has been more friendly to the Linux community over recent years, so I am happy to see System76 giving that option too.
1. Thelio (Up to 32GB RAM, 24TB storage) treks through tasks with ease despite its compact footprint.
2. Thelio Major (Up to 128GB RAM, 46TB storage) boasts stellar performance, allowing maximum configurability with up to 4 GPUs to tackle the most astronomical projects.
3. Thelio Massive (Up to 768GB of ECC Memory, 86TB storage) is the epitome of performance among workstations, offering maximum throughput and accuracy for demanding computational workloads.
Pricing starts at $1099.99, but that will obviously increase based on the specs you choose. Keep in mind, however, the computer will not ship until December. Full specs in the story above. In a statement, the company said, "Thelio Systems are designed to be easily expandable, making personalizing the computer a tantalizingly easy process. Slip in drives, add memory, and upgrade graphics cards at will. Additionally, the open hardware design that Thelio is built upon allows the user to easily learn how their computer works and make modifications using this information. Customization is simple to ensure that the computer encompasses people's needs, as well as their personality."
1. Thelio (Up to 32GB RAM, 24TB storage) treks through tasks with ease despite its compact footprint.
2. Thelio Major (Up to 128GB RAM, 46TB storage) boasts stellar performance, allowing maximum configurability with up to 4 GPUs to tackle the most astronomical projects.
3. Thelio Massive (Up to 768GB of ECC Memory, 86TB storage) is the epitome of performance among workstations, offering maximum throughput and accuracy for demanding computational workloads.
Pricing starts at $1099.99, but that will obviously increase based on the specs you choose. Keep in mind, however, the computer will not ship until December. Full specs in the story above. In a statement, the company said, "Thelio Systems are designed to be easily expandable, making personalizing the computer a tantalizingly easy process. Slip in drives, add memory, and upgrade graphics cards at will. Additionally, the open hardware design that Thelio is built upon allows the user to easily learn how their computer works and make modifications using this information. Customization is simple to ensure that the computer encompasses people's needs, as well as their personality."
Go ahead, price the Oryx Pro vs. the equivalent Xeon-equipped Dell Precision.
iME or PSP, which to pick?
You're fucked either way.
Of course, the $50 question: Do they support Linux?
Can I play Warcraft or other Windows games?
That's the only reason I switched from Mac to PC 20 years ago. They both did surfing and programming and office type apps just fine.
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Would love to support them but its highway robbery to charge what they charge.
I hope this is better than IKEA furniture that is made in the USA.
Face it it's probably true.
Seriously? I'm no Trumptard, but "made in the USA" isn't a bad thing to US citizens. We need to rebuild our manufacturing base somehow. That's one thing that the cheetoh in charge is right about. So, yeah, I don't mind seeing "made in the USA" come up. It's not a Trumpism just because Trump says it sometimes. It's been around as an important concept for a lot longer than I've been alive.
Now, why don't you take your meds and let the adults have a conversation.
If you don't keep your hardware current you are missing out on the full glory that is Minecraft!
Traditionally, towers were cheaper than laptops. System76 throws tradition right out the window! Their hipster-designed tower cases alone cost more than a high-end laptop!
Ok that made me lol
I'm in the market for a new overpriced computing box. Can I make this thing actually useful by installing a proper OS like Windows?
2012 hardware, and a 12 inch screen?
Yeah, I don't think you understand what they're selling.
I think maybe there were people chanting that before the Trump administration. It was apparently popular right after the Revolutionary War to take pride in new-found self-sufficiency. Wikipedia has a photo of a Model-T hubcap stamped "Made in USA". Pretty popular saying during WWI and WW2. All the Democrat union workers" promote Made in USA pretty consistently.
I think you give Mr. Orange too much credit.
The design.
Whoo. Am I supposed to get excited that I can produce cases that look just like theirs? Because that's definitely not cheap to do small run manufacturing of large parts like that.
Even if the motherboard were open source, there is nothing that makes creating your own a practical exercise.
And for that you pay an insane premium.
Computers are largely build to standards which are readily available if you care to find them. Those standards allow you to design and build your own cases and not have to worry about parts fitting properly.
There's a reason that serious open hardware stick to low power micro controllers which require far fewer components and those components are far cheaper to produce than a full featured PC. It's actually feasible to design and build your own Arduino clone. Even the RaspberryPi is really out of reach to clone if you don't have rich people money to get started.
There is no point open sourcing things that are cost prohibitive for the average person to duplicate. And it's a good way to just go broke if someone does decide to do what you did better and cheaper. Which is not hard to do if your design is worth anything and your prices are ridiculous as we have here.
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It was pretty much figured out centuries ago that trade is a good thing. Otherwise we would be paying $$ for each lousy Made In the USA banana or avocado and Boeing planes would likely cost 50% more and not be so fuel-efficient.
'Made in USA' has always been a way to be proud of our country. Making it political is just pure crap on your part.
Although honestly at this point when I am shopping, 'not made in China' is about the best I can hope for anymore. Does that sound better to you? Maybe we should have 'not made in China' stickers become a thing.
My laptop is an an Oryx Pro and I like it...
However your argument of matching systems isn't really a good one.
There are so many other factors that you need to account for that affect the price, some features you strongly care about others that you really don't.
For me I was concerned about the following (in this order):
1. Updated CPU
2. 32 gigs of Ram
3. Good Video Card
4. NVMe Storage
5. Strong Linux Compatibility
6. 15" or larger display
7. Modern Looking and relatively thin.
I in essence wanted a mobile workstation. (Heck I would had been happy if I could find a monitor, keyboard, trackback) with a wire that can hook up to a desktop.
You may want a smaller lighter laptop, you may need better battery life, a better keyboard, OLED display.... These things would take the Orix Pro out of the comparison and perhaps the XenBook Pro, or a Dell. For cheaper.
My Wife doesn't like my Oryx Pro (Too big, too loud, especially when I give it a workout), but she loves her Lenovo Yoga. Which costs over thousand dollars less. but is small, light, and does what she wants to do.
System 76 Makes a good competitive product. But it may not be for everyone
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Seriously, totally misleading title. They use shit that is not made in the US. For example; nvidia GPUs.
To quote the source directly:
> US-sourced wood and aluminum are formed, finished, etched, and built by artisans in our Denver, Colorado factory.
So what is made in the US? The god damn case; which no one gives a shit about. The motherboard is most likely overseas, but they dont publish any of the spec on that, so..... sensationalized garbage.
I suspect that the guy you're responding to is a troll of some kind.
âoeThelio Systems are designed to be easily expandable, making personalizing the computer a tantalizingly easy process. Slip in drives, add memory, and upgrade graphics cards at will.â
Like every Windows-based machine I have bought and built since 1995?
What's wrong with Made in USA? You know the Chinese government requires their citizens to buy domestically, or else their social credit score plummets. Nothing wrong with people wanting to help their fellow citizens and give them jobs.
So instead of chinese backdoors and listening devices, it'll be full of american ones.
This is nothing but an advertisement prepared to look like a news article. Slashdot is just lame any longer. There is nothing new or different than advertising a computer from Dell or Microsoft.
so yeah... you can talk about security all you want, but the fact is all it takes is an NSA court order and the security is gone.
Touting that something is made in the USA these days just evoke suspicion of security compromise, unfortunately, and we have learned that the suspicions are eventually confirmed.
Chanting "made in the USA" is pure Trumpism. WTF? How did this become acceptable? How are Americans holding themselves up over indigenous cultures?
dude "Made in USA" has been a thing long before Trump. The dude is a loony bin in human form but a lot of people value American made products. I don't happen to be one of them myself (I'm aware of the complexities of international production models) but I know people who would like to do their part by buying American. They're just richer than I am.
Just another second banana
"Made in the USA" especially if this stands for higher quality, and for business reasons on wanting to have control of the product compared trying to do everything on the cheap. Isn't a bad thing.
Trumpism is normally a Gut Response to a complex problem with a stupidly simplistic answer, without much long term planning behind it, and not comprehending long term consequences.
System76 is buying parts from China and other parts of the world, and it is still part of a global supply chain. However the design, and assembly is now down in the US. Compared to the Dell and other systems where it is made in an other country then shipped over here. Now some of the assembly such as case work can be done at System76. They are not setup to be a chip fab though.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I lost interest at the first question: do you want Walnut or Maple?
What am I choosing? An 80s era home entertainment system?
Well, it's true enough. I didn't even look at their hardware. You missed or ignored the fact that I don't give a fuck what they are selling since I find them to be personally annoying. I don't look at BMW's either. They can put 1000 HP in one and I still think they almost all look like a car mom drives when the minivan is broken down. Other things matter besides performance. For example, my co-worker has a System76 laptop and it's build quality is terrible plasticy crap (and it's ugly as homemade sin). They aren't *even* on the level of a Thinkpad, regardless of if they are 2012 or 1998 editions.
The label "Made in the USA" has had it's meaning diluted over the years (at the request of manufactures like New Balance). Assembled locally from components made overseas qualifies-- and the definition of the USA includes territories like Saipan with much more lax labor laws.
The fact that it's hard to find even stuff with this dumbed-down "made in the USA" labeling says something about how much it's really worth to your average citizen.
But you know, fifty years of "the virtue of selfishness" will apparently do that to a people
Are these computers trying to trap me? I like the speaker-box theme, how do they know I like music so much.
Have they seen the Greatest Showman? Do they know I have? And how many times?
Step away from my personality! You can take it from my cold, dead... oh wait... that's how it works.
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Nationalism, straight up.
The fact that Thelio users NVIDIA graphics kills it for me. NVIDIA had been really hostile towards open source as of late. That and no mention of running OpenBSD or FreeBSD on it.
Does it have a CAPS-LOCK indicator light?
This.
If you use Linux, you're helping Trump.
Lots of exposure for something that is hardly exciting.
Actually, if you go to an aggregate of the polls available, his approval has floated around 40% for the duration of his term thus far. His dissaproval rating has been almost entirely above 50%. I find Rasmussen's 50/49 (IE less than a percentage did not have an opinion) to be...difficult to believe even in these polarizing times.
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Your logic is totally infallible.
Except it's complete crap.
The cases are so ugly. You'd think they could do better.
In Western Europe they aired on FM radio the "Born, in the USA" song enough, too.
Yes, this is an "Open Source computer", otherwise known as just "a computer".
It is an "easily expandable computer", otherwise known as just "a computer".
It is a "Linux powered computer", otherwise known as just "a computer".
It is a "Made In The USA computer", otherwise known as just "a computer".
Base Price $2,899.00
Walnut - Classical style in a rich brown finish
Pop!_OS 18.10 (64-bit) with full-disk encryption
28 Cores Platinum 8180 ( 2.5 up to 3.8 GHz - 52 Threads - Max memory speed 2666 MHz ) $12,115.00
384 GB 6× 64 GB Six Channel Registered ECC DDR4 at 2666 MHz $5,929.00
28 Cores Platinum 8180 ( 2.5 up to 3.8 GHz - 52 Threads - Max memory speed 2666 MHz ) $12,415.00
384 GB 6× 64 GB Quad Channel Registered ECC DDR4 at 2666 MHz $6,179.00
2 TB NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD $739.00
30.8 TB NVMe 4 × U.2 Mixed Use SSD $13,635.00
40 TB 8× 5TB 2.5 5400 RPM Drive $2,039.00
12 GB Titan V with 5120 CUDA Cores $3,499.00
12 GB Titan V with 5120 CUDA Cores $3,499.00
12 GB Titan V with 5120 CUDA Cores $3,499.00
12 GB Titan V with 5120 CUDA Cores $3,499.00
No Additional Networking
27 1440p Matte Pro IPS Display (2560×1440) $1,359.00
Audioengine 2+ Speakers in Matte Black $249.00
Das Keyboard - Pop Edition $129.00
MX Master 2S Wireless Mouse $125.00
3 Year Limited 3-Year Labor and 3-Year Parts Warranty $55.00
Product total: $71,863.00
Can't wait to fire up Quake 1 on that puppy!
I'm still amused that people think "Born in the USA" is a patriotic song, when it's really about the hypocrisy of patriotism, and how the blue collar class got screwed by having to fight Vietnam.
s76 needs a $500 basic tower in their product line-up, not a $500+ chassis housing massively-marked up components.
If you want a free software system neither AMD nor Intel are the way to go. This is just an attempt to deceive consumers who don't know better. If you want more freedom you need to look at devices with SoCs that have an A20, H3, RK3288, or R40 chip. Those either are freedom friendly or you could build something off them and with a minimal amount of reverse engineering (ie meaning it would be feasible to do) come out with a free software design. Right now the only genuine effort seems to be EOMA68 and LibreBoot. The later isn't 100% even with the older X86 CPUs, but it's at least heading in the right direction even if it's ultimately a failed effort because you can't design systems that are libre with modern Intel/AMD and it still more free than anything Purism or System76 have ever shipped.
Being critical of government overreach and poor decision making (like Vietnam was) is extremely patriotic in the American culture. Hell, Trump basically RAN on "the government is absolute trash" and he pulled all the blue collar votes.
Trump is a racist. If you don't vote for a democrat next week, YOU HATE AMERICA.
"Made in China" may be subjected to this too. The glaring example I heard of was in a documentary about North Korea : pieces of cloth would be shipped to North Korea where it would be delicately sewn into elaborate patterns, sewn by hand and very labor intensive.
This is clear exploitation yet this might be not too different from legit luxury clothing. You may count me as left-wing and environmentalist and I'd say this sort of thing is more virtuous than super-yachts or something.
Let's say we're playing Civilization or Age of Empires, and sports is better than war or trade is better than war. Cucked left is not duped into cheering for neoliberalism for nothing, there is most likely virtue in global trade although there is no excuse for fake free trade treaties, wars to destroy states and IMF or Eurozone dismantling states the "peaceful" way.
it's neither here nor there, but it is cute that you felt the need to show off for everyone.
Chanting "made in the USA" is pure Trumpism. WTF? How did this become acceptable? How are Americans holding themselves up over indigenous cultures?
Have you ever seen a Made in China label before?
Right, buy IBM Thinkpads on ebay (hint : it's been many years that IBM desktop and laptops were bought by Lenovo).
By that same measure you might as well dumpster dive for desktops and monitors, and get Pentium 4 with NX bit, Core 2 Duo, 17" CRT, 17" VGA LCD for free or probably i5 2410 and i5 3570 these days.
everything else is made and built in China and South Korea... so much for "Made in the USA".
how is this different than ordering the same parts at newegg for cheaper and putting them in a thermaltake case? what's "open" about this?
It's also an absolute shit song by an absolute shit artist, but I suppose that's neither here nor there.
Ugh. Baby Boomers. Really can't wait for that generation to die off. So sick of their whining. They have been a cursed miserable generation right out the gate...
Bought 2x Oryx Pro's a year ago. Both motherboards died after 14 months.
Don't waste your money.
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Sounded almost too good, but unfortunately the manufacturing country makes me doubt the security side....
If you overload a desktop with the high end stuff then you are going to pay more for a laptop. The Low End desktop is beefier then the higher specs for the laptop.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Wait, does your ARM shit needs Android linux kernels and blobs and shit. "or you could build something off them and with a minimal amount of reverse engineering" You might as well buy a Playstation 4 and reverse engineer that.
I don't want to shill for System76 but they care about turning off Intel ME, or maybe I mix them up with Purism (they do an Intel laptop at 13" and 15")
If you don't want a shitty ARM (why? you could get a 2009 PC and be able to add more RAM, drives, display, everything, or a PC around an FX8320E) the real platform that can be compared with this newly announced shit is POWER9 workstations.
The issue is not it being open source. The issue is pretending that it's a selling point or has any relevance to what they are selling.
It's like slapping an "open source" license on a "hello world" program. Nobody cares.
A hipster and their money are soon parted.
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Captain Puberty: "Computer, enable speech recognition module."
No response.
Captain Puberty: "Computer! Enable speech recognition module, captain's orders!"
No response.
Captain Puberty: "Spock, load that ignorant computer system into the torpedo tube."
No response.
Captain Puberty: "Crew, load that ignorant computer system into the torpedo tube."
No response.
Captain Puberty: [still watching a High School talent competition on YouTube] "Ha ha ha! She flubbed an entire note while playing "Flight of the Bumblebee" at 320 rpm."
Captain Puberty: "Computer, troll that clumsy, pathetic, incompetent human female!"
No response.
A lot of posts here are pointing out the problems with this company's claims. It gives me the impression that marketing types picked up on a few buzz words and cobbled something together they thought would sell. But, could a sincere, technically competent group of makers come up with something bona fide? It would probably be risc V (since no one would care about Microsoft compatibility. It could probably be made more secure than anything around now. Would video output have to be only VGA to avoid proprietary stuff? Audio? Is the NSA going to come down on you if you really make it secure?
Memory sticks, power supply, case, stuff like that would be 3rd party.
Assuming you could do it right, how much would it cost?
By that site's charts, Bush was far more popular than Obama — do you think, DNS-and-BIND thought Bush "acceptable"?
Crappy excuse — violating the spirit of the moderation rules...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
This made in the USA labeling of stuff needs to stop. I'm pretty saure the CPU, motherboard, ram, SSd, are not made in the USA, but rather assembled.
The label "Made in the USA" has had it's meaning diluted over the years (at the request of manufactures like New Balance)
And the mayor of Usa.
Yeah, he made the claim in his campaign...
Then he proved it with his behavior.
Well, Springsteen sucks, so who gives a rat's ass...
I really shouldn't have even looked at the comment section. When any company tries to do something new, something different, something better, there's always a mob waiting to attack, attack, for any reason their vivid little imaginations can dream up.
It's not really open source!
It's not really made in the USA!
It's not really anything new!
It's wildly overpriced!
etc., etc
And they miss the big picture. These machines are far more attractive than the generic towers System76 were selling before, but not much more expensive. They appear to be thoughtfully designed and well constructed. The same company is now producing their own hardware and their own Linux distro to mate up with it, so everything should "just work". Who has done anything like this for Linux before? Who else was going to?
Fed up with Apple, coming from the Mac world Last year I built my own Linux rig based on Ryzan and Ubuntu MATE. I did a lot of research, didn't cut any corners, used all highly reviewed components. And it performs very well when everything is working right. OK, the Ncase M1 was kind of expensive and hard to get. I had to shuffle some components around and experiment to get the temps down. And I can't sleep it, because the video output never wakes up. And there's audio corruption that comes and goes at random. And there's an annoying vibration in the case that comes and goes, and I've never quite been able to track down and fix. And the system does lock up once in a while, not often, but more often than my Mac Pro ever did. But you know I've been wrangling computers for a long time, and I can learn to live with a some quirks. How many normal, non-geekish folk would put up with all that? Why should I even have to put up with all that?
The Thelio, by all reasoning, should be an unquestionably better machine than the one I built. I want it. I want to leave all this homebrew nonsense and constant troubleshooting behind.
What BIOS are they using? It looks to me like whatever is commonly used on Gigabyte motherboards. Gigabyte is made in the USA, right? RIGHT? Everything about this is fraudulent.
This describes a bad way to use WINE. You should always use a WINEPREFIX, or use a tool like PlayOnLinux which does this for you. Using a single global wine configuration is a good way to trash your .wine folder repeatedly.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
When people hear the word nationalism, it has the word "white" in front of it. That's why it's so frightening when you and Trump use it. It's fascist dog whistling.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
And then those white blue collar racist deplorables turned around and voted for Trump. They swung the election to him. Makes you wish for another Vietnam, doesn't it?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Chanting "made in the USA" is pure Trumpism.
[citation needed]
I think by now you will realize that you have gone too far, so I will refrain from calling you a complete imbecile.
And WTF does making stuff in the USA have to do with indigenous cultures?
Please, take your meds and report back when you're ready.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Seriously, if RMS doesn't give his seal of approval, I doubt we can really call it open source. But he's hardcore like that...
Did everyone else click through to see how expensive they could make the configuration?
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Well those same people think I'm Afraid of Americans is about how bad ass we all are :)