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Have We Really Wiped Out 60 Percent of Animals? (theatlantic.com)

Remember that study which reported humanity had wiped out 60 percent of animal populations since 1970? The researchers' findings "have been widely mischaracterized," reports the Atlantic's science writer -- while adding that "the actual news is still grim."

The researchers had studied sample population estimates representing 4,000 of 63,000 known vertebrate species -- or 6.4 percent -- then performed a scientific extrapolation: Ultimately, they found that from 1970 to 2014, the size of vertebrate populations has declined by 60 percent on average. That is absolutely not the same as saying that humans have culled 60 percent of animals -- a distinction that the report's technical supplement explicitly states. "It is not a census of all wildlife but reports how wildlife populations have changed in size," the authors write. To understand the distinction, imagine you have three populations: 5,000 lions, 500 tigers, and 50 bears. Four decades later, you have just 4,500 lions, 100 tigers, and five bears (oh my). Those three populations have declined by 10 percent, 80 percent, and 90 percent, respectively -- which means an average decline of 60 percent. But the total number of actual animals has gone down from 5,550 to 4,605, which is a decline of just 17 percent.

For similar reasons, it's also not right that we have "killed more than half the world's wildlife populations" or that we can be blamed for "wiping out 60 percent of animal species" or that "global wildlife population shrank by 60 percent between 1970 and 2014." All of these things might well be true, but they're all making claims about metrics that were not assessed in the Living Planet Index... The average 60 percent decline across populations also obscures the fates of individual species. In the hypothetical scenario above, lions are still mostly fine, the tigers are in trouble, and the bears are on the brink of extinction. And of the species covered in the actual Living Planet Index, half are increasing in number, while only half are decreasing. This means that for those that are actually in decline, the outlook is even worse than it first appears.

The science writer also points out that vertebrates studied are vastly outnumbered by the millions of species of invertebrate, "which make up the majority of animal life..."

"None of this is to let humanity off the hook... At least a third of amphibians face extinction, thanks to climate change, habitat loss, and an apocalyptic killer fungus. "

86 comments

  1. Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by Kohath · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes. Most claims in news stories are exaggerated. Exaggerating is a common behavior of attention-seeking individuals like news reporters.

    Anyone reading any news story that claims anything interesting or significant would be wise to be very skeptical of the story's claims. There's probably more to the story that the report is not telling you.

    Don't let yourself be trolled by news reporters every day of your life.

    1. Re: Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell which set of statistics are wrong here. The first or the second or the coming third article?

    2. Re:Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Many stories are exaggerated, but I'd be very surprised if this wasn't erring on the opposite side. The impact of humans in the Holocene is difficult to overestimate.

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    3. Re:Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trotsky-slut warmists have an easy time overestimating human impact on earth & its critters. Except for their own parasitic invasions ... that is. You'd do better for eco-truth consulting a Tulsa oil-fracking company vis' human environs consolidation.

    4. Re:Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by David_Hart · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes. Most claims in news stories are exaggerated. Exaggerating is a common behavior of attention-seeking individuals like news reporters.

      Anyone reading any news story that claims anything interesting or significant would be wise to be very skeptical of the story's claims. There's probably more to the story that the report is not telling you.

      Don't let yourself be trolled by news reporters every day of your life.

      Most news headlines are a bit exaggerated, not the news stories themselves. I'm not talking about the opinion section, talking heads, etc. Just the the straight up news report. Most just state the same findings that the researchers state with a bit of detail to make it interesting. The problem is that there are fewer and fewer sources for direct news reporting. Science Friday (NPR) and Quirks and Quarks (CBC) are good science radio shows (also podcasts) that cover science news in detail.

      Don't lump social media into news reporting. Most social media takes the headline, applies a combination of political lens, conspiracy theories, and, if they can't cherry pick the facts to support their theory, they make things up.

      Also, don't lump the opinion pieces and "expert" panels into news reporting. It's not. They are just brought in to fill air time because the network finds that they get better ratings for a soap opera over actually discussing real issues.

    5. Re:Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by Calydor · · Score: 0

      Has anyone else noticed how trolls, conspiracy theorists, and otherwise mentally unstable people have a tendency to use the ampersand in place of the word 'and'? Is it because the ampersand appears to be important since it's a symbol specifically made to replace an entire word?

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    6. Re: Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think human are a direct cause. Just look at a graph of human population growth vs depletion on insect and animal life.

      Earth can only support so much and for every human on this Earth that means a certain amount of other organisms need to die off.

      At some point I'm sure all the easy petroleum products which have allowed the human spieces to explode since WWII will be used up eventually.

      Once that happens, I'm sure population growth will either tapper off or crash back down to where it was before we went exponential.

    7. Re: Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

      I can't tell which set of statistics are wrong here. The first or the second or the coming third article?

      80% of the first 1/3 of the articles contain numbers, three-quarters of which are off by 65%, plus or minus 3 standard deviation radishes.

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    8. Re:Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I'm just glad they were considerate enough to lead with inane insults, so we could tell in the first three words that nothing in the rest of the post was worth reading. It's like a handy "TL;DR: I am a moron; ignore me." for everyone else with more than two functioning brain cells, but more succinct.

    9. Re:Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      I would add The Science Show from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation to your list of shows/podcasts. I prefer it to Quirks and Quarks.

      For podcasts the BBC has Inside Science, Science in Action, and The Life Scientific. The last one is interesting because it interviews a noted scientist about their work and why they got into science. The interviewer is a scientist. I normally don't like interview type shows but I like this one.

    10. Re:Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by Can'tNot · · Score: 1

      This article is not saying that the claim is exaggerated. That's important, and it's easy to make that mistake. What this article is saying is that the claim could mean several different things. None of which are specified, but all of which are bad.

      I guess the article's author felt that confusion on this point was worth writing about, though it seems unnecessary to me since the conclusion is the same regardless of specific way in which the data manifests.

    11. Re:Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >_ Are most claims in news stories exaggerated?

      >_ Yes. Most claims in news stories are exaggerated.

      Whoa! Wait a minute there... Generalization is always wrong. (/recursive joke)

      >_ Exaggerating is a common behavior of attention-seeking individuals like news reporters.

      And is a valuable resource when it's important to call attention. It's like shouting "Fire!" when under assault.

      >_ Anyone reading any news story that claims anything interesting or significant would be wise to be very skeptical of the story's claims. There's probably more to the story that the report is not telling you.

      And that's why just being skeptical won't cut it. We actually should be suspicious of motives and about what really is going on behind the presented facts.

      For example, the average shown originally (60%) was found to lower (17%), but becoming skeptical will prevent us from seeing that bears are being wiped. Too bad for bears, but what are they good for?

      There was a news story reporting how wolves are important to prevent river banks erosion. Who would know that?

      And what if instead of bears, 90% of bees were disappearing?

      >_ Don't let yourself be trolled by news reporters every day of your life.

      Sure, but don't fail to act on what really is happening. We have no backup Earth.

    12. Re: Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying that one graph is increasing over time and another is decreasing over time therefore the first must be causing the second.

      Do you know anything about statistics and how you should not try and find correlation between two non stationary time series?

      Try the same thing with ice cream sales and shark attacks. Every time ice cream sales go up so to do shark attacks. The conclusion you might want to draw there is that sharks like humans full of tasty ice cream...... Or you could just realize that both ice cream sales and shark attacks occur when the weather is warm.

    13. Re: Are most claims in news stories exaggerated? by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

      80% of the first 1/3 of the articles contain numbers, three-quarters of which are off by 65%, plus or minus 3 standard deviation radishes.

      By definition it should include your post as well. Does it?
      Some source would make it more trustworthy.

  2. OMFG by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    it softens the fact that we are making the Earth unlivable to humans?

    1. Re: OMFG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to worry, some spirit in the sky is sure to take care of us.

    2. Re: OMFG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We will be fine if we use crispr to give us gills and metabolize so2

    3. Re:OMFG by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Outside your insane imagination, the entire reason why we're wiping out species is because we're making Earth more livable for humans. Everything from wiping out disease-bearing insects (see: war on malaria) to destroying alpha predators that have any meaningful chance of competing with us for top slot (see: history of wolves' interaction with humans) to wiping out life forms that interfere with our food production (see: agricultural development) is about making our lives better, and making the planet able to sustain more humans.

      Medieval nature worship you're espousing is anti-humanist on its merits. It imagines humans as an evil factor within "pure" nature, pure being used here in the exact same connotation that spiritual purity is used in Christianity. It has nothing to do with observable reality, and is a purely religious concept.

    4. Re: OMFG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wiping out populations of fish, insectivorous song birds, orangutans, deer living in rain forests, and bees don't seem to fit your narrative.

    5. Re:OMFG by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      because we're making Earth more livable for humans

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    6. Re:OMFG by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Except we're not making earth more liveable, we're risking exterminating ourselves also.

      Stop biodiversity loss or we could face our own extinction, warns UN -
      https://www.theguardian.com/en...

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    7. Re:OMFG by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      And then, you stop reading speculation what "could" happen and read on what is factually happening. Such as effective elimination of world hunger, because of agricultural advances wiping out life forms that were detrimental to it.

    8. Re: OMFG by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      How are any of these species more beneficial to us as species than elimination of things like world hunger, which we have all but achieved in time that beat most optimistic UN projections?

      See, if you view biodiversity as just "dogmaically good", your argument makes sense. But the moment you do the realistic assessment of "benefits vs harm", it falls apart in a spectacular fashion. Which is exactly why we have the progress we do now.

  3. Yes, yes you have. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now repent, you filthy hyoomuns!

  4. Statistics by scsirob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Alarmists have a track record of cherry picking data.
    Unless there's proof that those 4000 species were not carefully selected as the ones on the brink of extinction anyway, I don't buy it.
    And unless there's proof that this rate is any different than what's normal over a much, much longer time period, I still don't buy it.

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    1. Re:Statistics by thomst · · Score: 0

      scsirob vouchsafed:

      Alarmists have a track record of cherry picking data.

      As do flacks, pundits, lawyers and all other propagandists.

      Your point being ... ?

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    2. Re:Statistics by scsirob · · Score: 1

      Flacks, pundits, lawyers and other propagandists lies don't make climate alarmist numbers any more credible.

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    3. Re:Statistics by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Why don't you just save us a lot of time and simply finish with "I'll never buy it anyway"?

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    4. Re:Statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because everyone has bought time with your spouse.

    5. Re:Statistics by Livius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Alarmists have a track record of cherry picking data.

      But this is way beyond cherry-picking. You can't take percentages (of differently sized populations) and then average them - mathematically that's just flat-out wrong. It's no different than completely inventing a number at random. This is falsified data, not merely biased.

      (It's also poor strategy since the actual problem didn't need to be exaggerated, but now their credibility is gone.)

    6. Re:Statistics by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      And why are you concerned about alarmists, when you can listen to scientists or simply read a book about it?

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    7. Re: Statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that headlines demand a single figure, but there isn't one that can convey the issues involved.

    8. Re:Statistics by thomst · · Score: 1, Insightful

      scsirob rejoined:

      Flacks, pundits, lawyers and other propagandists lies don't make climate alarmist numbers any more credible.

      Nor do they make anthropically-mediated climate change deniers any less risible.

      Again, what, exactly, is your point ... ?

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    9. Re: Statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it is a perfectly reasonable approach. A baseball player with a .334 batting average who struck out twice is not guaranteed a hit the next at bat. A team that had a .300 average overall can still have a pitcher who whiffs 80% of the time.

      60% of animals is very clear. If they meant 100% of 60% of species were genocides they would have 60% of species, not animals.

      Last example, if I had five servings on my plate, one each of meat, fries, peas, carrots and a cookie, and I eat everything but the veggies, I have eaten 60% of my meal. Not 60% of each item, not a 60% share of each of the nutritionally available substances. 60% of what was on my plate.

    10. Re: Statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You completely do not understand the issue here.

  5. Yet another inescapable categorization issue... by Empiric · · Score: 1

    ...for you.

    Much of the numbers here depends on how you classify "hominids".

    If you can hurry up and define yourself as an animal or not "for the record", I'd appreciate it.

    If have future "staffing" plans to make. Thanks Linnaeus!

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    1. Re:Yet another inescapable categorization issue... by Empiric · · Score: 1

      Addendum for theists (the rest will not perceive relevance):

      Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

      --Thomas

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  6. Bingo by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Toss in the fact that the original story closely ties into an agenda and this should be no surprise at all.

    Rank it up there with all the things that make the cover of popular science / mechanics that will "revolutionize the world" and are promptly never heard from again

    Here's one of my favorites. The Nutcracker VTOL
    http://www.jumpingfrog.com/ima...

    1. Re:Bingo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a few things that have kinda panned out. http://www.mattmcalister.com/PopularMechanics_InformationSuperhighway.jpg

    2. Re: Bingo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to leaders like Al Gore. Imagine if the court didn't steal the election and we avoided an illegal war based on doctored intelligence. The country would be in a completely different position. So much treasure and lives lost.

    3. Re: Bingo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fake News

      The New York Times paid to count the Florida vote after the court ruled for Bush. Obviously hoping to prove Gore actually would have won. They found that Gore lost. So any contention that the court stole the election is patently false.

      But keep on telling those same old lies.

  7. For Those Not In The Know by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1, Funny

    A "scientific extrapolation" is a lot like a normal extrapolation, but you say 20 hail Darwins between each calculation.

  8. Invertebrates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    vastly outnumbered by the millions of species of invertebrate, "which make up the majority of animal life..."

    That is certainly true here in the United States - those lawyers are spineless bastards indeed.

    1. Re:Invertebrates by PPH · · Score: 1

      vastly outnumbered

      We'll see how many congressional seats they gain this Tuesday.

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  9. What about humans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We certainly havenâ(TM)t wiped out any of us. In fact there will probably be a billion in the US at some point, which blows my mind. We almost have half a billion already. Birth control, people. Come on.

    1. Re: What about humans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also if they counted the deer in our neighborhood they would have come to a different conclusion about vertebrate population.

  10. Exhibit A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Death of Objective [Empirical Science] [Reporting] [for the [[willfully] ignorant] masses]

    1. Re:Exhibit A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're wiping out 10 percent, 50 percent and 90 percent, rounded off to 60 percent of biodiversity.

      Let's just focus om the 10 percent and excuse ourselves while pointing fingers at the beardy treehuggers!

  11. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But they were so delicious, and even better served with dabs and a little Chianti.

  12. This article is missing the point by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Perhaps deliberately. The point of the study was that there is less species diversity, not that we killed 60% of the animals.

    In the example above we still have a net loss of diversity because we're down to 5 bears, e.g. their population is likely to go extinct.

    I could be wrong but I don't think we really know what the effect of such a rapid reduction in such a short period of time is.

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    1. Re:This article is missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Humanity has wiped out 60% of animal populations since 1970, report finds"

      That was the original Fake News by The Guardian, which The Altantic is trying to correct.

    2. Re:This article is missing the point by DogDude · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong but I don't think we really know what the effect of such a rapid reduction in such a short period of time is.

      Every mass extinction is different, of course. The species alive today are very different than the species alive before the other 5 major mass extinctions. It's a pretty safe guess, though, that mass extinctions make life unpleasant for the species that are dying off, and probably also quite unpleasant for the species that are able to survive through such an event. Whether humans survive this mass extinction is anybody's guess, but I think it's safe to say that things will be quite unpleasant for humans in the relatively near future.

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    3. Re:This article is missing the point by Calydor · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you had proper capitalization and spelling I would be more inclined to listen to you, but you just sound like a raving idiot.

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    4. Re:This article is missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:This article is missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article isn't "missing the point," it's refuting that point. Showing with scientific evidence that the belief you hold and others have reported on is wrong.

      Just because a scientist says something you don't already want to believe doesn't make the claim false.

    6. Re:This article is missing the point by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      The species that survive end up doing great though.

      Humans will do just fine, the animals and plants we rely on are farmed, which means massive proliferation. 60% of all mammals are livestock, and 70% of all birds are chicken (source).

    7. Re:This article is missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHY do you believe THIS is a bad way to write? TRUMP writes like THIS!

  13. Lying with statistics by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Look at yesterday's article on the subject of lies, damn lies and statistics.

  14. Genetic extinction by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    Species die when they lose habitat and their numbers fall below a certain threshold. At that point, they become inbred and lose vitality, then perish. This is happening to the Tasmanian Devil:

    Once abundant throughout Australia, Tasmanian devils are now indigenous only to the island state of Tasmania. ...Efforts in the late 1800s to eradicate Tasmanian devils, which farmers erroneously believed were killing livestock (although they were known to take poultry), were nearly successful. In 1941, the government made devils a protected species, and their numbers have grown steadily since.

    https://www.nationalgeographic...

    and

    Approximately 600 years ago, the devil went extinct on Australia’s mainland, which is thought to be due to its predation by dingoes and indigenous Australians. ...Since the Tasmanian Devil population has been nearly decimated by several previous population bottlenecks, all devils are very genetically similar. Consequently, the genes that normally confer the ability to differentiate between ‘self’ and ‘non-self’ (e.g. the MHC genes) are so similar between individuals that it is believed that their immune systems can no longer differentiate between tissues from themselves and other devils. Similarly, this is thought to be a cause behind why devils cannot recognize the DFTD cancer, they cannot distinguish the DFTD cancer.

    http://tasmaniandevil.psu.edu/...

  15. Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This just in, Slashdot discovers fake news.

  16. Statistics within/without a context: insights/lies by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    Today, I read in a newspaper the following headline (translated from Spanish): "Since today until the end of the current year, European women will be working 'for free' due to the gender gap". Understanding the relationship between this reference, the current article and the title of this post is left as exercise for the reader.

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  17. Don't mess with my brain by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    As long as I can still get monkey brain in a can I'm cool with this.

  18. And you lefties wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...why righties doubt your global warming/cooling/whatever stuff.

  19. FFS where are the graphs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a single graph in that article.
      I might expect to see a graph of species count vs. year or total number of endangered animals vs. year So I could draw my own conclusions

  20. Re:Statistics within/without a context: insights/l by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    That lie just won't stop getting repeated no matter how many times it's debunked.

  21. Don't bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no point to correction stories like this. No one is reading the original tripe.

    Even libbies don't read their own media. They're just happy for all the headlines. They don't care that its garbage, as long as their worldview forever dominates the headlines.

    Fear mongering stories about environment, extinctions, etc. are every couple days, and everyone has stopped reading them. We all know the agendas, the deliberate blind spots and the rest. It's mostly just wealthy, comfortable people trying to shape opinion from inside their bubble.

  22. Re:Statistics within/without a context: insights/l by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    I do trust in humanity as a whole and in the long run. Errors and non-ideal behaviours (perhaps having the best intentions and being quite reasonable at the start, but gradually kind of losing their point) tend to be eventually corrected. As a side effect and before reaching there, quite a few valuable lessons are likely to be learned. I don't see a big deal of a problem here.

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  23. Why is this a bad thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It means human beings are winning the war against animals. It is the heart and soul of the argument for Darwinianism and survival of the species. Human beings are doing great. We rule. It is up to the lesser species to evolve and become better. Humans should not curtail our inherent bloodlust just because some species of groundhog has not developed gunpowder.

    Let's work together humanity to kill the other 40%. Let's kick some animal ass.

    There seems to be a fundamental conflict between left / right / religious / atheists. It strikes me as odd that the liberal God denying left seems most beholden to the old Christian beliefs that all life is sacred (even subhuman life). On the other hand the God fearing right ignores lesser life forms and is firmly in Darwin's camp in practice if not words.

    I just know that my evolutionary forebears were a bunch of racist genocidal bigots and I am glad for it. If they had not been as racist as they were, I would have gone the way of the dodo bird.

    Thanks Racism! You are the dynamo of evolution.

  24. 60% or Animals? by PPH · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that there is a bunch of wildlife hobbling around with nothing left below the lower torso?

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  25. This article is making things worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author advocates for better statistics to describe the problem. Fine with me. However, the side effect I'm seeing with the Slashdot crowd (who didn't read the article) is to dismiss the 60% figure entirely and doubt the quality of the analysis of the original article, which I'm sure they ALSO didn't read.

    I'd like to see people proposing solutions, not just empty criticism. Just saying "I want better statistics" doesn't solve anything. A journalist once needed a short headline with a number -- there was no space for a histogram or collection of graphs. So they used an average.

    Anyone can show up with an opinion. It takes effort to improve upon the work of others.

  26. Wait, doesn't that mean by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    we're putting all our chickens in one basket?

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    1. Re: Wait, doesn't that mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we have some turkeys too. There will inevitably be some cross contamination so it's more like two baskets. Thus solving the problem once and for all. ONCE AND FOR ALL!

    2. Re:Wait, doesn't that mean by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      we're putting all our chickens in one basket?

      I wouldn't be too surprised. We're doing this with bananas for the second time, now.

  27. yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you add in the 1000% overpopulation of humans, you get a net gain.

  28. Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #1. The work was commissioned by the World Wildlife Fund - which is the opposite of unbiased. #2. I couldn't find any peer reviewed paper cited behind all the reportage. I don't know if they published or not but it is telling that this stuff is covering media coverage. #3. According to the media they had over 50 scientists determine the difference in number between now and 1970 for 4000 species. Well, for those who actually passed middle school math, say 4000/50 = 80. roughly. So, if anyone really believes that these guys randomly selected 4000 species and assigned 80 species to each of them and then did a comprehensive count (and that they also did that in 1970) then I've got a bridge you'll be interested in buying. #4 "scientific extrapolation"?? There is no such thing except in the rare well understood system. The Earth's biota is not one of those.

  29. climate change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    animals don't die out because of climate change. They do however die out of human overpopulation, hunting, air polution, water polution... But not by a few degrees change in temperature...

  30. Average average by Bengie · · Score: 1

    The average of unweighted averages. Still a useful number. I've learned to question a lot of aggregate values. What do you really mean by "Average", "total", "max", etc?

  31. Obligatory Simpsons quote by kammermusik · · Score: 1

    "Ah, people can come up with statistics to prove anything – 40% of all people know that."