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China's Brightest Children Are Being Recruited To Develop AI 'Killer Bots' (scmp.com)

According to The South China Morning Post, "some of China's smartest students have been recruited straight from high school to begin training as the world's youngest AI weapons scientists." A total of 27 boys and four girls all under the age of 18 were chosen for the four-year "experimental program for intelligent weapons systems" at the Beijing Institute of Technology (BIT) from more than 5,000 candidates. From the report: The BIT is one of the country's top weapons research institutes, and the launch of the new program is evidence of the weight it places on the development of AI technology for military use. "These kids are all exceptionally bright, but being bright is not enough," said a BIT professor who was involved in the screening process but asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the subject. "We are looking for other qualities such as creative thinking, willingness to fight, a persistence when facing challenges," he said. "A passion for developing new weapons is a must ... and they must also be patriots."

Each student will be mentored by two senior weapons scientists, one from an academic background and the other from the defense industry, according to the program's brochure. After completing a short program of course work in the first semester, the students will be asked to choose a speciality field, such as mechanical engineering, electronics or overall weapon design. They will then be assigned to a relevant defense laboratory where they will be able to develop their skills through hands-on experience.

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  1. Not to forget a malleable personality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Gotta catch'em young before they learn about social structures and, the party does not allow, start to experiment with those

  2. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    China thinks it can go on with war, without forgetting the economic consequences of one. Human stupidity has no bounds.

  3. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

    China obviously wants war. Why else would they put their country right next to so many American military bases?

  4. Is this real?... by PseudoThink · · Score: 1

    ...or the synopsis a new book in Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Shadow" series?

    1. Re: Is this real?... by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      No, they're to the left... Wait now they're up... Wait, look up... Nevermind they're down again. Probably shouldn't drink so much before training in... GODDAMMIT, they're to the left again... I give up. Where's my beer? Oh, it's right below me... Wait...

    2. Re: Is this real?... by marleyboy · · Score: 1

      And in the long run, the children themselves became the national resources to exploit. Graf made it his mission to keep those kids off of Earth and not subject to the nation's whims, but in control of a 'cooperative', the International Fleet.

      Does China's actions set the stage for a Battle School in the Lagrange point?

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    3. Re: Is this real?... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      May you always have your beer far away enough from your keyboard/laptop ....

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  5. sounds a little like the hitler youth is war comin by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    sounds a little like the hitler youth is war coming?

  6. A tale of two nations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  7. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    also the china owned land / Companys in usa will be lost to china as soon as the war starts.

  8. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    China obviously wants war. Why else would they put their country right next to so many American military bases?

    All told, there are over 32 American Military Bases less than 400 miles from China !

    Yep, you're right, as always, Shanghai Bill.

    CHINA DESPERATELY WANTS WAR !!!

  9. Ender's Game meets the Termiator by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Got to nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

    1. Re:Ender's Game meets the Termiator by gtvr · · Score: 1

      That was Alien, not Terminator, I think.

  10. Gaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mr President, we must not allow a killer bot gap!

    1. Re:Gaps by gtvr · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should just come up with a doomsday machine. As long as we don't keep it secret.

  11. Re:Proof that China is sexist by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope you understand, that "pretending to be an asshole on the internet" just means you actually are an asshole.

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  12. If I was a member of the ruling class by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    automated kill bots would be my #1 priority. Throughout history the one thing that has consistently challenged my rule has been the military I use to keep power. Specifically charismatic leaders I needed to whip the troops into the kind of frenzy they need to die for me.

    Kill bots let me do away that problem. Now all I need is a couple of geeky engineers to run my military and oppress everybody else. Mix in automated factories for making my stuff and I don't even need consumers. I can just own everything and use the ownership to decide who lives and who dies, giving me ultimate power.

    And as a member of the ruling class, what else is there for me?

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    1. Re:If I was a member of the ruling class by SqueakyMouse · · Score: 4, Funny

      That doesn't sound like ultimate power to me. That sounds like a scenario in which the geeky engineers can overthrow you. They do run the military after all.

    2. Re:If I was a member of the ruling class by freax · · Score: 1

      Give the geeks a lot of freshly printed money.

    3. Re:If I was a member of the ruling class by gtvr · · Score: 1

      Then the Doctor lands and gives your cybermen emotion, and their heads all explode

    4. Re:If I was a member of the ruling class by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Killbots might be worse than a human army. Turning humans against the ruling class requires many different tactics and is a prolonged process. Turning killbots against them is a single exploit, a buffer overflow leading to code injection somewhere.

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    5. Re:If I was a member of the ruling class by bigpat · · Score: 1

      automated kill bots would be my #1 priority. Throughout history the one thing that has consistently challenged my rule has been the military I use to keep power. Specifically charismatic leaders I needed to whip the troops into the kind of frenzy they need to die for me.

      Kill bots let me do away that problem. Now all I need is a couple of geeky engineers to run my military and oppress everybody else. Mix in automated factories for making my stuff and I don't even need consumers. I can just own everything and use the ownership to decide who lives and who dies, giving me ultimate power.

      And as a member of the ruling class, what else is there for me?

      As a geeky engineer I hope they buy that line of reasoning.

  13. Re:sounds a little like the hitler youth is war co by Nutria · · Score: 5, Informative

    Selective abortion.

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  14. Re:Proof that China is sexist by Nutria · · Score: 1

    A socially acceptable guy who willingly blinds himself to the truth is still willingly blind to the truth.

    (The trick is to be an asshole about the actual truth instead of your delusions of truth.)

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  15. Misdirected? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I don't see why automated soldiers should be a high priority for the 2nd most populated country in the world. They have plenty of organic brains to hunt and aim.

    Unless maybe they feel the only way to attack a mass swarm of AI drones is with another mass swarm of AI drones.

    1. Re:Misdirected? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      The fact that this was publicly announced just means it's a PR stunt by the Beijing Institute of Technology. If you think about it, all it says is "we've recruited our first class for a new four-year program that will likely be relevant in the future weapons development industry."

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    2. Re:Misdirected? by gtvr · · Score: 1

      10 million or 100 million soldiers won't do anything against our aircraft carriers. If they have weapons that can take those out, take our F22s even w/o radar lock, or otherwise out-smart our smart weapons then their soldiers can do whatever they want.

  16. Re: Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    That's the geopolitical equivalent of yelling "hey, look over there!". Cute little trick to misdirect the simpleminded, but absolutely devoid of any substance.

  17. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Roman Republic was famous for doing just that. They allied with smaller countries, they don't give a rat's ass about, who were targets of their rivals. They wanted an excuse to go to war. War with justification goes down so well in the history books rather than blood thirsty conquest.

  18. Re: Proof that China is sexist by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    Tell the boys they should say they identify as gender fluid butch lesbian transgender men. Add a few more buzzwords if necessary. Problem solved. Anyhoo, off to solve more problems with sophistry.

  19. Re:Proof that China is sexist by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    What about it was false? Asians are regularly discriminated against for the crime of studying hard and having good values. The patriarchy isn't very popular in universities either.

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  20. Re:Proof that China is sexist by Nutria · · Score: 1

    You need to re-read my comment.

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  21. Another advantage is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They are young enough to be morally programmable, and not wise enough to think about possible negative global consequences of their efforts...

  22. I hope they feel more secure... ??? by wolfheart111 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love China,I wish we could cooperate better. :(

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    1. Re:I hope they feel more secure... ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why love the only fascist ethnostate left? When their Han-nationalism ends, only then will the Chinese people enter the modern world.

  23. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Look, we will never have a global governance as long as Russia and China are not under control. Those bases are to contain and crush them. We were all set to take out Russia until they rigged our election for Trump. Hillary was chomping at the bit for war. China is after Russia. Then we can drop borders, allow free movement of people, have one global currency, and at last have a government composed of intelligent people who will make the hard decisions that benefit everyone, not just a few bankers in London and New York.

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  24. Small step by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once you have AI killer bots to defend the homeland, it's only a small step to use them to keep your own population in check.

  25. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by mikael · · Score: 1

    The way the Roman Empire expanded, they established peace treaties with smaller countries in exchange for wealth and a supply of recruits for the legions. In return the country gets defended as part of the empire.

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  26. Maybe the Chinese kids can upgrade NPCs by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    with a sense of humor ?

  27. Sad but true by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    You missed the requisite genderfluid whatevers and the effort to put in a code of conduct so contributions to the project become irrelevant.

  28. Re:We need to catch up by jma05 · · Score: 2

    You may be right about the exponential tech-up.

    But why do you think China will be the same after that? Today's China is nothing like Mao's China or the Imperial China from before that. It continues to change. Tomorrow's well-educated Chinese will ask for even more changes in their society.

    US today is not like the US from 100 years ago. And tomorrow's China will not be today's China.

    I am not worried about the Chinese. They are a practical people and mean well. I am only impressed about all the fresh-off-the-boat Chinese in US. They have all been humble, polite, gifted and hard-working.

    Every dominant culture in history made its own mistakes imprinting itself on the world. The Chinese may too. But that's OK.

  29. Right, evil China as always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    wasn't it China who has been carrying out military excursions and invasions into other foreign countries during much of the 20th century, and the last 15 years? Or was that some other country?

    Difference between China and U.S. is that China has a defense budget, U.S. has an invasion budget. Don't try to make China out as aggressive. History has shown that they are the most peaceful superpower to ever exist, while the U.S. is corrupt and thrives on making war.

    1. Re:Right, evil China as always by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      Vietnam and Taiwan would like to have a word with you.

    2. Re:Right, evil China as always by houghi · · Score: 1

      I would go for Tibet as an example as neither Vietnam, not Taiwan are currently invaded.

      They might have been, but that is standard in world history. Any country that had anything to offer has been invaded in the past.

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  30. Think of the Children by ememisya · · Score: 1

    Yea? Who better than kids to create instruments of murder and mayhem, that's the ticket.

    1. Re:Think of the Children by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      Brains are still malleable.
      It's a pretty straight forward concept, actually.

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  31. Re:sounds a little like the hitler youth is war co by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

    youth is war coming?

    Yup, all states are preparing for the political awakening of the masses of the globe, they are expecting conflict.

    Zbigniew Brezinski

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  32. he is an ass but he has a slight point by aepervius · · Score: 1

    Undoing my modding you insightful for this : time and time again we see people requesting equality of outcome when it come to gender distribution in work. Time and time again if a company does not have a 50/50 in gender distribution roughly or a rough distribution in minority at work comparing to the national distribution , there are people pointing finger at those firms. Which have then to spend money showing their white paws. The problem is , some people see "gender equality" , or which ever equality, and think equality of outcome. But the reality is what is required is equality of opportunity. Outcome can STILL have a slanted gender distribution (or whichever other distribution). And while I think like you the OP was not graceful in its expression, I DO think we have a problem when people strive for equality of outcome (especially when it is only equality of outcome when it goes in one direction : too many male versus female, and in good jobs. I am still waiting people rail against waste disposal service on why there are not enough female garbage taker).

    I think the trend in dangerous. We should absolutely get equality of opportunity, because this is the moral things to do, and because we may hobble ourselves because we put obstacle to the next big scientist/ceo/researcher/engineer/whichever because they are not the "correct" gender/religion/sexuality/skin color. But equality of opportunity is another way to hobble ourselves.

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    1. Re:he is an ass but he has a slight point by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Being right and being an asshole were never mutually exclusive. All that means is that he's a right asshole. ;)

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    2. Re:he is an ass but he has a slight point by alexgieg · · Score: 1

      I DO think we have a problem when people strive for equality of outcome (...) We should absolutely get equality of opportunity, because this is the moral things to do

      The problem with that distinction is that equality of opportunity cannot exist if people are born with different talents and backgrounds. Consider it this way: if we define a point in time t0 at which the "equal opportunity" race begins, at the end of which, let's call it t1, some will have won in terms of outcomes while others will have lost, that ignores that t0 itself is the set of different outcomes of a race that began at t-1. In fact, you can set t0 at any point in the life of the individual, or even before it (see recent research showing how one's father and even grandfather's life events affect one's epigenetic makeup), and that point will be the set of different outcomes of some earlier supposedly equal-opportunity starting point.

      As such, there's no real distinction between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome, as making sure that any t0 involves equal opportunities means that it, as the outcome of t-1, is an equal outcomes scenario too.

      Given that there's no objective qualitative distinction between "opportunity" and "outcome" then, that whatever point we chose for that divide is arbitrary, and from that adopt one of three positions:

      a) Abandon the notion that equality of opportunity (and thus of outcome) is a good.

      Or keep the the notion that equality of opportunity-outcome is a good and then either:

      b) Opt for the one t0 to strive to set as equal-outcome as possible so as to have it becoming the best possible equal-opportunity starting point for t1+. (This one is similar to your point, but requiring much more active effort.)

      c) Strive to keep equality of opportunity-outcome going for the full set of point in the ... t-n-1, t-n, t-n+1 ... t-1, t0, t1 ... tn-1, tn, tn+1 ... line.

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    3. Re:he is an ass but he has a slight point by west · · Score: 2

      I'll agree that inequality of outcome is not evidence of discrimination, per se. However, given the way that the human brain over-generalizes patterns, I can pretty much guarantee that in any situation where there might naturally be inequality of outcome, there is almost certainly discrimination taking place as our brains try to eliminate the "anamolous" minority that our brain is desperately trying to "prove" don't belong.

      We structure society to eliminate the minority; our brains constantly tell us that this person doesn't belong and that its a mistake they're here. Heck, the brain of the person themselves is constantly telling them they don't belong. All because brain structures designed to meet the needs of hominids a few million years ago don't to well with nuance, constantly whispering "one of these things just doesn't belong".

      Our brains are simply not wired to handle reality. The idea that bell curves with different means overlap is difficult to understand for the majority of humans, and even harder to hold on to in daily life.

      So, given the discrimination a minority is going to face due to the way our brains handle information, pushing another meme to disrupt the incorrect heuristic seems over-all welfare increasing. My guess is in a situation where a natural outcome is 80/20, human beings will structure their society and behaviour to make it 95/5 (if not 100/0), and pushing back with a meme of equality of outcome meme might make it 90/10.

    4. Re:he is an ass but he has a slight point by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Does that mean he is better than a left asshole?
      Or is it more as in, one right does not cure one wrong, but 3 lefts do?

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  33. Re:Proof that China is sexist by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    What about it was false?

    Why are you acting like telling the truth and acting like an asshole are mutually exclusive?

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  34. Autonomous killer bots are not OK by Misagon · · Score: 1

    I think that the international community must stand up against things such as this.

    If China will not close down its program by itself, a coalition will need to be formed to bomb the Chinese sites where this is taking place, to prevent it from happening.

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    1. Re:Autonomous killer bots are not OK by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      They don't, because there's nothing to fear.
      You want to be scared of the projects like this that you DON'T know of. Hint; they're probably not situated in China.

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  35. The fastest way to create AI weapons is by sabbede · · Score: 1
    to cheat.

    Step one: Get yourself some bright youngsters, strip away the bits you don't need and stick the rest in a mobile weapons platform.

    Step two: Lie, telling everyone you created a true AI killbot. Oh, and tell the parents there was a terrible accident.

    1. Re:The fastest way to create AI weapons is by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And that's how Cylon Raiders are made.

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  36. Re:as seen on tv by sabbede · · Score: 1

    It did sound an awful lot like almost every mecha anime. It has that basic "teenagers + killbots" formula to it.

  37. Re:Proof that China is sexist by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    Truth tellers are seldom popular. The concept of "don't say vicious things" is a fine theory. In practice, as we have discovered over the last 10-20 years, if you let the hearer/reader decide what is vicious, suddenly, everything that everyone says is vicious. This is what our ancestors knew that we have mostly forgotten - that once you embrace the idea that it is legitimate for offensive speech to be constrained by force, the free-thinking world descends into endless multilateral outrage.

    I believe that you love justice and truth and cooperation. You cannot have those things in a world where anything-that-anyone-defines-as-hate-speech is forcibly restricted. You either have to accept that the skinheads are going to get their chance to speak, or accept that you'll never be able to speak freely on any subject ever again.

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  38. Re:Proof that China is sexist by Drethon · · Score: 1

    What about it was false? Asians are regularly discriminated against for the crime of studying hard and having good values. The patriarchy isn't very popular in universities either.

    Is that why nearly my entire graduate classes are Asians these days? They seem to be doing alright.

  39. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

    Who is "we" ?

  40. This. by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Geeks don't have the same craving for power that a Generalissimo has. They also lack the Charisma to get any support, and one geek on his own can't maintain an army of kill bots. At least not yet.

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  41. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by Archtech · · Score: 1

    >History is written by the victors, not the conquered.

    Sorry to rain on your parade, but actually most Roman history - especially after the Roman conquest of Greece - was written by Greeks. The Roman aristocracy spoke Greek, just as most of the Plantagenet kings of England and Russians at the court of the Tsar spoke French.

    Julius Caesar's last words were not, "Et tu, Brute!" bu "Kai su, teknon" ("You too, lad?")

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  42. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by Archtech · · Score: 1

    I honestly can't tell if that was meant as satire or seriously. If it was satire, you need to dial it back a little so people realise you're not in earnest.

    If you're in earnest, I'm sorry I disturbed your delusions.

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  43. Re:Proof that China is sexist by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    I believe that you love justice and truth and cooperation.

    I believe in informing people when they demonstrate bad behavior. I also believe you are full of yourself and literally have provided nothing of value to this conversation. Wait, let me put it in your preferred tongue: hey, shitstick, fuck off before you need your panties changed.

    Poor truth tellers like me just can't get a break, right? ;)

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  44. Re:Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by bigpat · · Score: 1

    China obviously wants war. Why else would they put their country right next to so many American military bases?

    I think it is past time that the US substantially reduces its troop presence in Japan and Korea (as well as Germany, Italy and the UK). Yes, the US does have worldwide interests and might want a few bases overseas and forward deployed supplies for logistical reasons, but WWII is long over and the level of troop presence is clearly reflective of post WWII occupation rather than modern military requirements for keeping the peace.

  45. Re:Proof that China is sexist by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    You either have to accept that the skinheads are going to get their chance to speak, or accept that you'll never be able to speak freely on any subject ever again.

    Indeed, down the path of hate speech laws lies the dystopian hell of...Germany? Canada? England?

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  46. Re: Many AI Killer Bots or 1 Atom Boi by FuzzyDaddy2 · · Score: 1

    Recovery of ill gotten gains from criminal activity found by the special prosecutor has paid for the investigation. So it has not actually cost the taxpayers anything.

  47. Re:Proof that China is sexist by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    This is so ironic I can't even. You called other people assholes and yet you're being a gigantic asshole yourself. Do you have any self-awareness at all? Moreover under the censorship regime you advocate, you literally would not be able to make a statement like you just did. I mean, wow.

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