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China Violated Obama-Era Cybertheft Pact, U.S. Official Says (marketwatch.com)
China has violated an accord it signed with the U.S. three years ago pledging not to engage in hacking for the purpose of economic espionage, a senior U.S. intelligence official said this week. From a report: The 2015 bilateral agreement had significantly reduced the amount of Chinese cybertheft targeting American companies, but Beijing's commitment to the deal has eroded, said Rob Joyce, senior adviser for cybersecurity strategy at the National Security Agency. "It is clear they are well beyond the bounds of the agreement today that was forged between our two countries," Joyce said during a panel conversation at the Aspen Cyber Summit.
Joyce's comments were the latest sign of Washington's rising frustration over China's alleged violation of the pact signed between then-President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Last week, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions also said China wasn't adhering to the deal, in which the U.S. and China agreed not to conduct cyber operations against each other to steal intellectual property or other forms of economic intelligence.
Joyce's comments were the latest sign of Washington's rising frustration over China's alleged violation of the pact signed between then-President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Last week, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions also said China wasn't adhering to the deal, in which the U.S. and China agreed not to conduct cyber operations against each other to steal intellectual property or other forms of economic intelligence.
The article says there's a longer article at Wall Street Journal, but it's paywalled: https://www.wsj.com/articles/c...
I mean lets be honest here; nobody is going to do jack about it. We don't ever do anything about China's bad behavior except 'talk' and maybe sell some weapons systems to Taiwan.
China unlike Russia is real threat to us and all anyone in our government; with the occasional (and only occasional) exception being Trump cares to do anything about it.
The talking heads will cry about how important free trade is while we literally let all our industrial and defense secrets walk out the door.
Trump 2020!
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They keep pulling the wrong bit!
Wow, this must be a down right terrible quandry from Trump.
He has to choose between China, or an Obama-era agreement that works in his favour.
"Intellectual property" is feed for the creators but also for the holders or companies or businessmen.
That didn't take long to bring Russia into this as well.
But if Trump throw out the nuclear agreement with Iran, why would anyone insist China has to stick with their agreement with the US?
So long as there courts and other parties willing to back them up.
Obama signed it knowing it's worthless. Trump still doesn't get it.
Do you honestly think that the business leaders in charge of the defense contractors are that stupid? Do you think the DOD would allow such things? (There are bigger patriots working for shit government pay there then some talking heads talking out of their asses.)
You are so misinformed. Where do you get this shit?
I bet you think the caravan is filled with MS13, drug dealers etc ... who decided that the best way to sneak into the USA was to join a bunch of people who are heavily scrutinized by media, police, government, and walk thousands of miles to sneak into the USA undetected.
That's what Trump is saying and his idiot sycophants are repeating.
Because in this case, some people China trolled some a bunch of users and groups on Facebook. Shocking!
Indeed, that is an intolerable assault on the very core of our democracy and we must fulminate about this for two years at the minimum!
so why should anyone else care?
Why try and develop the technology when you can steal it? I guess that is what the Chinese Government thinks.
The Chinese (as well as several other countries) feel emboldened to do this because we currently have historically weak leadership who will do fuck-all about it as long as there may be a chance of someday building a casino in Shanghai or the ability to borrow money from a Chinese bank or sell his daughter's tchotchkes and handbags and shit.
The Chinese will run circles around this dope.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Should Big O come out and declare the line has been crossed? He did so many times...but nothing about his "lines"....
the land...
That is their main game plan. China is like Darlocks and Klackons combined.. You can't win if you just play Psilon against them unless you go all the way up the skill tree fast enough to unlock both phasing cloak and black hole generator before they develop/steal doom stars. or maybe if you are the first to Antares and unlock Loknar.
but I think there are loopholes. The NSA and CIA are tasked by Congress and give the reports to Congress. So the NSA/CIA can say they do no economic spying, but the congresspeople can whisper what they know to their donors and corporate friends. Or some economic spying can be "in the interest of national security". Leaks have indicated that the US spied on other countries as part of the lead up to trade conferences so the US could cheat:
https://medium.com/economic-po...
Is that not spying for economic gain?
If all it takes to compete with you is a bunch of little guys with boxes, switches, and logos, then you might want to think about getting a gravestone and laying down already.
That absolutely nobody disagrees that China is cheating. In spite of their bribes, threats and paid and unpaid shills, everyone knows they cheat and steal like hell. Question is, what do we do about it?
Just like China's deal with Japan, China's deal with Clinton/WTO, China's deal with O concerning stopping their emissions growth, etc. etc. etc.
China is in a cold war with the west, and is winning. It is to the determent of humanity since China continues to emit far far more CO2 than what they claim.
However, the real issue with that, is that China's real goal is to stop importing oil so they are not dependent on other nations. That way, they can attack Taiwan and deal with a 5+ year war. The problem is, that the west has helped them.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
It's only bad when China does it.
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Anyone find that weird?
"Sure, you can spy on our government or military and steal our most heavily guarded secrets, but we draw the line at making iPhone clones."
Explain again why China needs to drop when they are already twice as clean as the US?
People like you like to stamp your feet loudly and shout at China as a distraction so no one will notice the truth. Per person China only emits 1/2 the CO2 as America.
With regards to Chinese theft of American IP via espionage and Chinese laws that force the "lawful" handover of IP, what has Trump done? Tariffs do nothing to combat this theft. This IP theft is where China is trying to gain a competitive advantage that will last far into the future.
Thinking further about this topic, Trump's tariffs have no direct impact on Chinese theft of American IP. However, ironically Chinese retaliatory tariffs do help to blunt this theft by slightly disincentivizing American sales in China, the need to partner with Chinese companies, and the resulting required "lawful" technology transfer to Chinese companies. It's unclear which tech transfer mechanism is more helpful for the Chinese, outright theft or forced transfer via pay-to-play and forced partnership laws, but both seemed to have been helpful in the past.
China Emits More Carbon Dioxide Than The U.S. and EU Combined
And that is before adding in the new coal plants that China is adding before 2020, which will be more than what U.S. does. China will then emit more than the entire west or what EU combined with 2x U.S..
Bloody gits like you have your head in a bog and do not care one bit about the globe.