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China Violated Obama-Era Cybertheft Pact, U.S. Official Says (marketwatch.com)
China has violated an accord it signed with the U.S. three years ago pledging not to engage in hacking for the purpose of economic espionage, a senior U.S. intelligence official said this week. From a report: The 2015 bilateral agreement had significantly reduced the amount of Chinese cybertheft targeting American companies, but Beijing's commitment to the deal has eroded, said Rob Joyce, senior adviser for cybersecurity strategy at the National Security Agency. "It is clear they are well beyond the bounds of the agreement today that was forged between our two countries," Joyce said during a panel conversation at the Aspen Cyber Summit.
Joyce's comments were the latest sign of Washington's rising frustration over China's alleged violation of the pact signed between then-President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Last week, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions also said China wasn't adhering to the deal, in which the U.S. and China agreed not to conduct cyber operations against each other to steal intellectual property or other forms of economic intelligence.
Joyce's comments were the latest sign of Washington's rising frustration over China's alleged violation of the pact signed between then-President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Last week, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions also said China wasn't adhering to the deal, in which the U.S. and China agreed not to conduct cyber operations against each other to steal intellectual property or other forms of economic intelligence.
The article says there's a longer article at Wall Street Journal, but it's paywalled: https://www.wsj.com/articles/c...
I mean lets be honest here; nobody is going to do jack about it. We don't ever do anything about China's bad behavior except 'talk' and maybe sell some weapons systems to Taiwan.
China unlike Russia is real threat to us and all anyone in our government; with the occasional (and only occasional) exception being Trump cares to do anything about it.
The talking heads will cry about how important free trade is while we literally let all our industrial and defense secrets walk out the door.
Trump 2020!
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Wow, this must be a down right terrible quandry from Trump.
He has to choose between China, or an Obama-era agreement that works in his favour.
But if Trump throw out the nuclear agreement with Iran, why would anyone insist China has to stick with their agreement with the US?
Why try and develop the technology when you can steal it? I guess that is what the Chinese Government thinks.
Well...there's that and also this comes from the Justice Dept. who must have gotten it from the FBI. Now we know that the FBI is a hotbed of Democrats intent on screwing el Presidente Tweetie because...because...they like fake news, immigrants, and premarital intercourse. Hmmm...maybe that caravan in Mexico is actually a Chinese caravan. It makes sense, they are coming here to built a Great Wall to keep Americans in. And the aliens, I'm sure the little green fellers are mixed in with it somewhere...Chinese alien migrants from a different galaxy here to destroy America!!!
Yeah. Let's blame it on Trump and forget all about Bill Clinton who started this catastrophic avalanche by granting Communist China Most Favored Nation status; George W. Bush who did nothing when it should have been obvious that China was not going to play by the rules with respect to fair trade, IP protection, and industrial espionage; and Barack Obama who also did nothing even though is was even more obvious that China is not a partner to be trusted. None of Clinton, W. Bush, or Obama even so much as peeped about the terribly unfair trade relationship between the U.S. and China.
Whether Trump accomplishes anything useful or not, at least he has publicly and vociferously verbalized a problem that many Americans see.
but I think there are loopholes. The NSA and CIA are tasked by Congress and give the reports to Congress. So the NSA/CIA can say they do no economic spying, but the congresspeople can whisper what they know to their donors and corporate friends. Or some economic spying can be "in the interest of national security". Leaks have indicated that the US spied on other countries as part of the lead up to trade conferences so the US could cheat:
https://medium.com/economic-po...
Is that not spying for economic gain?
You can blame whomever you want. I'm just telling you why all these countries are taking advantage of the US right now..
You remember those "tough sanctions" that Trump was going to put on Iran? He even released a meme, using the Game of Thrones font, with a picture of himself looking "tough" (apparently, "tough" is one of his favorite words), and the meme said, "Sanctions are Coming". Oh boy. Well, it turns out that those sanctions included a long list of waivers for Iran's biggest trading partners (China, India, South Korea, Japan, Italy, Greece, Taiwan and Turkey) so their basically not sanctions at all. That's why the oil market's been surprised by the fact that the price of oil has only gone down, which is exactly the opposite of what you'd expect to happen if Iran was being blocked from selling oil.
I dare you to name one country that Trump has been "tough" with (besides the United States). He's basically been the whole world's punching bag since he's been elected.
You are welcome on my lawn.
He bombed Syria after warning them to move their planes. The only damage was to an airfield that was fixed within days. Do you really not remember how it happened?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Just like China's deal with Japan, China's deal with Clinton/WTO, China's deal with O concerning stopping their emissions growth, etc. etc. etc.
China is in a cold war with the west, and is winning. It is to the determent of humanity since China continues to emit far far more CO2 than what they claim.
However, the real issue with that, is that China's real goal is to stop importing oil so they are not dependent on other nations. That way, they can attack Taiwan and deal with a 5+ year war. The problem is, that the west has helped them.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
The Chinese (as well as several other countries) feel emboldened to do this because we currently have historically weak leadership who will do fuck-all about it
So...that's why the current leadership is hitting China where it hurts the most? You know where that is right, it's in their pocket book. The same one that the politburo is now worried about, and saying that the tariffs are causing a lot of problems. And they're so worried that they're willing to take on more debt, while things are getting so bad in China that companies can't even make debt payments in funds to creditors...so they're trying to use food as a form of debt-payment.
The Chinese will run circles around this dope.
The Chinese ran circles around Obama, and his entire administration. Including the part where they got Obama to agree to a treaty to share technology including critical technology. And did the exact opposite of anything he asked for, and thumbed their nose at illegal selling of goods to N.Korea.
I dare you to name one country that Trump has been "tough" with (besides the United States). He's basically been the whole world's punching bag since he's been elected.
Oh look...a progressive has morphed into a neocon. You mean besides China? Including sanctions against russian banks, and iranian banks for breaking sanctions with n.korea. Or the part where he told nato members to pay their fucking share or the US would pull out.
Om, nomnomnom...
Anyone find that weird?
"Sure, you can spy on our government or military and steal our most heavily guarded secrets, but we draw the line at making iPhone clones."
With regards to Chinese theft of American IP via espionage and Chinese laws that force the "lawful" handover of IP, what has Trump done? Tariffs do nothing to combat this theft. This IP theft is where China is trying to gain a competitive advantage that will last far into the future.
Thinking further about this topic, Trump's tariffs have no direct impact on Chinese theft of American IP. However, ironically Chinese retaliatory tariffs do help to blunt this theft by slightly disincentivizing American sales in China, the need to partner with Chinese companies, and the resulting required "lawful" technology transfer to Chinese companies. It's unclear which tech transfer mechanism is more helpful for the Chinese, outright theft or forced transfer via pay-to-play and forced partnership laws, but both seemed to have been helpful in the past.