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Amazon's Consumer Business Has Turned Off Its Oracle Data Warehouse (bloomberg.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Amazon.com Inc. has taken another step toward eliminating software from Oracle Corp. that has long helped the e-commerce giant run its retail business. An executive with Amazon's cloud-computing unit hit back at Oracle Executive Chairman Larry Ellison, who ridiculed the internet giant as recently as last month for relying on Oracle databases to track transactions and store information, even though Amazon sells competing software, including Redshift, Aurora and DynamoDB. Amazon's effort to end its use of Oracle's products has made new progress, Andy Jassy, the chief executive officer of Amazon Web Services, tweeted Friday. "In latest episode of 'uh huh, keep talkin' Larry,' Amazon's Consumer business turned off its Oracle data warehouse Nov. 1 and moved to Redshift," Jassy wrote. By the end of 2018, Amazon will stop using 88 percent of its Oracle databases, including 97 percent of its mission-critical databases, he added.
Just when I was getting unhappy about the refurb Mac situation, Amazon brings me back by saying "fuck you" to Oracle. I honestly don't know what to feel now...
Love to hear this!
some good products, some not-ready-for-primetime (junk) products, pricing and support suck balls.
I hated dealing with them before they bought Sun. Then I actually started to hate dealing with them more than Microsoft.
Kudo's to Amazon. Hopefully they'll start giving away their DB just to stick it to Oracle some more.
If Amazon can actually survive Black Friday and the Christmas shopping season on their new database, they might be able to sell it to others who are trapped by Oracle. It would be interesting to know the back story on how much pain and suffering was required to leave Oracle. My suspicion is that they forked PostGresSQL and Amazon enhanced it. Can anyone comment on the details?
Incase anyone missed the memo, if this stands, it's a serious blow to Oracle. Though they use different databases across the company, Amazon is certainly not a small customer. Guess loosing a few million in contracts when you make billions doesn't matter. Oracle can still suck it.
Due to creative pricing practices, they'll turn off 88% of their installed Oracle instances, but end up paying 150% more.
I've never seen an Oracle contract renewal cost go down, no matter how much 'less' Oracle software the company uses.
If you've missed any, please step back and read the earlier ones first.
This one explains how particles form from dipoles, why they're donuts, what an anti-particle looks like, and why their sizes are fixed.
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Postulate A: Mass isn't real
Postulate B: the energy in light is also 'kinetic'
Postulate C: Light bind force must be cyclical
Postulate D: only 2 fundamental particles are possible
Postulate E: the only force is electric
Postulate E2: The binding force (Postulate C) is electric
POSTULATE F: The speed of light is obvious
POSTULATE G: Time is measured in spins
POSTULATE H: All dipoles are equal, matter,even red and blue light
Postulate I1: Donut Particles, are hoops of dipoles
Postulate I2: A Donut particle is itself a big dipole
Postulate I3: An anti-particle has opposing spins
Postulate I4: Bigger particles are less stable
Postulate J:
Postulate J2:
Postulate K: Why does gravity propagate faster than C?
Postulate L:
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Postulate I1: Donut Particles
A quick recap:
Matter is made of dipoles and monopoles. Dipoles are two bound monopoles. Oscillating at F.
A basic spin is an in-place oscillation along a line between the dipoles {Basic Spin}.
A spin disturbed by another dipole spin is elliptical {Elliptical Spin}, it spins like a CD turning.
A spin disturned by more than one dipole is a processing elliptical spin (the plane of spin rotates). {Spin Spin}
Complex spins {Elliptical Spin}{Spin Spin} effect a phase change (see Postulate H).
The wavelength of the spin is W.
A particle is a chain of dipoles propagating wavelength W
A *stable* particle is a chain whose ends have closed together to form a donut.
Donut particle act like big dipoles, propagating a twist of frequency F.
If the donut isn't a multiple of F, it grows or shrinks till it is.
If a donut is too long, it twists on itself and breaks (e.g. 100F donut breaks into 50F+50F donut).
The bigger the particle the less stable
The twist in the donuts is from the spin.
Anti-particles are donuts with the twist going the other way.
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Why are chains propagating a wave of length W?
Consider two dipoles D1 and D2 oscillating up and down, in a 2D world.
D1 is phase 0, D2 is at phase 180 degrees.
When d1 is +ve up, the d2 is -ve up, and when d1 is -ve up, d2 is +ve up.
So there is an attraction, and they move together to bind.
Now we have a chain D1D2 with a wavelength of W.
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The chains get long....
Consider a plane passing between the middle of these 2 dipoles, the electric force from D1 cancels the force from D2.
You get a +ve from one, and a -ve from the other.
No matter what phase dipole D3 is, it cannot be attracted to go *between* the two dipoles.
It must stick to the end of the chain.
Suppose D3 has a phase of 30 degrees, it will attract to D2 and be repelled by D1.
It binds to D2 end, applies a spin force to D1 and D2, their spins become {Elliptical Spin}.
i.e a phase change until we reach a balance.
Now we have D1, D2 and D3 120 degrees phase apart... and a wavelength of W again.
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How do they form closed hoops?
If D1 binds to D3, you would have a particle of wavelength W, our hoop would be a triangle.
When the force of D1 on D2 was in the same plane as D3 on D2, D2's spin was an oscillation {basic spin}.
Now with the hoop closed the force of D1 on D2 is on a different plane to the force of D3 on D2....
i.e. the oscillation becomes a {Elliptical Spin}, and the hoop has a travelling phase shift looping around.
The tighter the loop, the more the spin is elliptical, the faster the phase shift circles around the hoop.
A hoop is itself a big dipole propagating a spin!
Postulate A: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12866516&cid=57598384
Postulate B: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12869268&cid=57599376
Postulate C: https://news.slashdot
Redshift has been a great data warehouse for a long time, an MPP variant of Postgresql (forked from ParAccel) unlike the monolithic Oracle DB. What locks people to Oracle is the tech debt and the migration effort, people get stuck with Oracle's proprietary features. What Andy Jassy is saying is the they finally got rid of the tech debt.
So far from just two particles, +ve and -ve, and one force (electric) we have matter, light (all wavelengths), the speed of light, time, and the linkage between the speed of light and the speed of propagating forces through matter. (We'll get to the speed of gravity through space later.... yes I know your black hole gravity wave experiment).
How does my dipole model (aka Peasoup, the one I run on the ARM cluster) go from spinning dipoles to complex particles.
Why are those complex particles particular sizes. Not any old size.
What is an anti-particle, how does it cancel a particle....
Why are big particles less stable than small particles.
I1 to I4 covers this.
Watch a load of physicists mod it down, insults, pretend to be 14yos, try to convince you not to read this. Understand that higher physics is a billion dollar industry, and lots of reputations are tied to a joke of a model. Involving bent space, magic forces propagating backwards in time, particles that travel backwards in time.
Oh boy. If you're world was falling apart, if your career was endings, you'd be modding down too.
Have pity on them.
Pretty basic concept. Self evident to most people. Not Larry, apparently. It's amusing to consider that inside Larry's mind he believes that dishing on Amazon's database products will attract more customers to Oracle.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Many people think that for really big databases you need Oracle, for handling lots and lots of transactions. MySQL and Postgres are great for smaller businesses, but our business needs Oracle, they think.
Monday morning I'll be telling my boss that even AMAZON doesn't need Oracle. Facebook uses MySQL / Cassandra. If it can handle Amazon's volume, it can certainly handle ours. That's the big cost to Oracle - the press, the realization among other companies that even at Amazon's size there is no reason to use Oracle.
Oracle would do well to GIVE their products free to Amazon and Facebook just so they can say "we power the world's largest companies and databases".
If you've missed any, please step back and read the earlier ones first.
The donut shaped particles we got from I1, get bigger or small till their spin frequencies are multiples of F, the universe's resonant dipole spin frequency, the one the speed of light comes from. This explains how that growing or shrinking happens.
But you need to read Postulate I1 to understand complex spin modes.
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Postulate A: Mass isn't real
Postulate B: the energy in light is also 'kinetic'
Postulate C: Light bind force must be cyclical
Postulate D: only 2 fundamental particles are possible
Postulate E: the only force is electric
Postulate E2: The binding force (Postulate C) is electric
POSTULATE F: The speed of light is obvious
POSTULATE G: Time is measured in spins
POSTULATE H: All dipoles are equal, matter,even red and blue light
Postulate I1: Donut Particles, are hoops of dipoles
Postulate I2: A Donut particle is itself a big dipole
Postulate I3: An anti-particle has opposing spins
Postulate I4: Bigger particles are less stable
Postulate J:
Postulate J2:
Postulate K: Why does gravity propagate faster than C?
Postulate L:
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Postulate I2: A donut is itself a big dipole
So now consider the effect of this rotating phase shift around the donut (Postulate I1)
It's a spinning dipole too! A bigger one! A stronger one!
And this 'big dipole' is interacting with every other little & big dipoles too.
The donut has some spin frequency FD, but all the dipoles are spinning at F.... so what happens?
If the phase shift spin propagates at F (i.e. if FD=F), then there is no twist induced.
But if the big dipole has frequency other than F (FD!=F), the other dipoles will induce a second spin on it....
Now the dipole oscillation is {Spin Spin}. We have yet another spin induced.
Lets call its frequency FD2,
if you imaging {basic spin} as an up down oscillation of a dipole.
if you imagine {elliptical spin} as a spinning CD.
Hold the CD at the edge, between two fingers and flip it over and over, FD2 is the frequency of that flip-over spin.
A dipole (small or big) that has a spin of {Elliptical Spin} or {Spin Spin} that has a
phase change spin near frequency FD2, will bind to our particle and make it longer or short.
Donut1 + Donut2 = Bigger Donut.
Donut1+ Anti-Donut2 = Smaller donut
Donut ends up having a twist spin that's a harmonic of F... just like every other dipole.
So the size of a donut is F, or 2F, or 3F, or 4F.... the twist spin of the donut is the same frequency as every other donut.
When its frequency is F, 2F, 3F... the dipoles inside become {elliptical spin} dipoles not {spin spin}, the FD2 disappears.
Anti-donuts are explained in Postulate I3.
Postulate A: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12866516&cid=57598384
Postulate B: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12869268&cid=57599376
Postulate C: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12870718&cid=57604074
Postulate D: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615478
Postulate E & E2: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615516
Postulate F: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615700
Postulate G: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615906
Postulate H: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57616274
Postulate I1: https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12881348&cid=57620872
Amazon guys used Oracle for a reason: I've heard them say, basically, that it's great until it's not, but once you reach a certain level of need for scaling your ops time scales with the size of your deployment and that just becomes unsustainable.
That's the mission critical reason for Amazon to move away from Oracle. But they also get two major strategic bonuses: (1) they make competing products and the transition away from Oracle is good for their advertising and bad for Oracle's, and (2) money. Cheaper to build in-house on their own products exactly what they want than to be dependent on Oracle in a way that scales with Amazon's business. Unless Oracle can deliver a better product than Amazon's engineer's long-term, there's no reason Amazon should pay Oracle long-term. And Amazon hires some good engineers.
So what you end up with is particles, that are donut shaped, and themselves are spinning dipoles (due to the twisting effect of being bound in a circle).
You can also notice that this binding effect (of dipoles of the same frequency being attracted to each).... aka gravity, is easy to understand at this level.
Gravity through space is harder to understand, so I deal with it in K. But even a 14yo can understand it, its not *that* difficult.
As a 25 year veteran Oracle DB admin, Oracle is fast becoming an anachronism in the modern fast paced world of NoSQL and and serverless cloud tech. I remember when the rage back in the early to mid 90s was to have huge data silos, you bought big tin, built big monolithic databases and you processed things on the biggest hardware you could. Then FOSS and cheap hardware started to appear plus the idea to move business logic from the database and put it back into the apps, thus the DBs started to become bigger and more "stupid" just simple big blackbox data stores.
You don't need huge tin anymore, you don't need huge DBs for new projects, with cheap afforable scalable tech you build proper scalable architectures that can make use of NoSQL or RDBMS tech like PostgreSQL ( Redshift is simply PostgreSQL on monster steroids ). Larry used to be a great visionary, I remember back in the mid 90's Larry said that soon everyone will have terminals connected to huge networks, we won't need PCs in every office and home. People laughed their arses off at him but here we are almost 2020 and we all have tablets and mobile phones connected to the biggst network in history with datastores with the whole knowledge of human understanding at our finger tips. Larry is making Oracle DB a self-managing system and that will cause many like me to move on, if there's little do with maintaining the DB let some £5/hour operations dept out in India look after it, my company needs me to move to more interesting things as they want more value for money from my skills.
Oracle and SQL Server are good systems but they're now simply just another choice and no longer the only choice. I love the new plethora of DB choices, nosql DBs and serverless tech from the cloud providers who also supply the supporting tech like on demand scalable processing engines like Lambda(AWS) and Athena(AWS). RDBMS has it's place, it's good solid, trusted reliable tech but it's simply just another choice. Amazon have seen that you don't need big tin, just lots of small scalable tin and you can process more data in 24 hours than you would in an entire year, store more data than ever before. Times are changing and it feels like the 90's again in IT tech, so much change and so many exciting opportunities available right now, it's why I wanted to work in IT tech and it's great!
I read it on Matt cutts blog.
It gets modded down, on on topic things too, which are few and far between.
It makes NO difference because the model makes particles, and if it makes particles, its true, and breaks a lot of physics. It's not MY comments that end careers, I'm just an AC. Its the reality of the situation that ends careers.
i.e. 2 fundamental particles, one force, a spin to spin binding, breaks Standard Model.
No mass, and no bent space breaks Relativity.
A photon that's a cloud of dipoles breaks QM.
It's sad, but it is what it is.
Of course I'm going to keep explaining it over and over and over again, till the consequence sinks in.
To me the sensible move is to move the non-critical stuff (but not the sawdust) to allow your team to gain experience and maybe survive (along with your business) a few screw ups. If you proposed moving business critical systems to a new DB without some pilots at reasonable scale on something non critical first I'd look askance at you at the very least, if I was chairing that meeting.
and then all that functionality makes into their aws products (redshift and Aurora) that other businesses can use to get off oracle as well, win win.
Honest question. Can Amazon distance itself from Oracle the company while relying heavily on Java stack? I understand there's openjdk but am led to believe it is also controlled by Oracle.
It can be a huge pain to migrate an existing application from one vendor to another. A company I worked for moved from SQL Server to Postgres (because of licensing issues) and it took 3 years even though they are both 'SQL'. But even if you have a long laundry list of items that make it economically attractive to move from system A to system B; you still must fight the politics of 'not invented here' or 'we have always done it this way'.
I have invented a whole new kind of data management system. It handles unstructured data way better than traditional file systems. It does a bunch of NoSQL functions better than other systems. It is about twice as fast as SQL Server, Postgres, or MySQL at relational databases. But I have a terrible time convincing early adopters to give it a serious look. I had a potential customer who was having a big problem with Cassandra. They had a table with a couple hundred million rows and periodically they had to delete about 10 million rows out of it. (Cassandra is apparently built to ingest data but not to update or delete it very well.) The operation was taking them 2 weeks to complete. We put the same data in my system and it completed in just 17 minutes. Yet their management would not even consider adopting this technology and could not even give one valid reason why they wouldn't.
Oracle is that rare creature, a C-suite virus. Symptoms include inability to make rational decisions, bouts of fear uncertainty and doubt as well as declining profits. In extreme cases, rational alternatives to Oracle can be misconstrued as threats. In its terminal phase, C-suite inhabitants can be convinced that only by buying more Oracle products can they save their business. Death usually follows immediately after acting on the terminal phase.
Organization? You must be joking..
It stays in non production test environment until it's ready. When it's ready it gets turned into a production server. When that happens, you still have the old system running as a fall back just in case.
This isnt new, it isn't hard, and it's been figured out.
Amazon is basically saying it's cheaper for us to throw tons of resources and money at this problem to solve it ourselves, rather then giving oracle another penny.
That speaks volumes.
This comes to mind