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More Than 50 Nations Launch 'Paris Call' To Fix Hate Speech and Cyberattacks; China and Russia Not Among Signatories, Trump Administration Reluctant To Sign (reuters.com)

French President Emmanuel Macron on Monday launched a push to regulate the internet. France and U.S. technology giants, including Microsoft, are pushing for governments and companies worldwide to sign up for a new initiative aimed at establishing regulations for the internet, to fight such online threats as cyber attacks, hate speech and online censorship. A report adds: With the launch of a declaration entitled the 'Paris call for trust and security in cyberspace,' French President Emmanuel Macron is hoping to revive efforts to regulate cyberspace after the last round of United Nations negotiations failed in 2017.

In the document, which is supported by many European countries but, crucially, not China or Russia, the signatories urge governments to beef up protections against cyber meddling in elections and prevent the theft of trade secrets. The Paris call was initially pushed for by tech companies but was redrafted by French officials to include work done by U.N. experts in recent years. [...] In another sign of the Trump administration's reluctance to join international initiatives it sees as a bid to encroach on U.S. sovereignty, French officials said Washington might not become a signatory, though talks are continuing.

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  1. Let me get this straight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the idea is to censor the internet, in order to prevent censorship???

    1. Re: Let me get this straight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nobody ever claimed Europeans were smart.

    2. Re:Let me get this straight. by sizzlinkitty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your absolutely right, it will be impossible to have a uncensored internet free of hate speech, as the act of removing hate speech is censorship. I would rather have an uncensored web over something free of hate speech.

    3. Re:Let me get this straight. by shaksys · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The system to remove hate speech will certainly be used to remove other speech.

    4. Re:Let me get this straight. by Tokolosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "It became necessary to destroy the town to save it." -- U.S. major justifying bombing and shelling civilian areas in Bán Tre.

      "Internet media should spread positive information, uphold the correct political direction, and guide public opinion toward the right direction," the state-run Xinhua news service reported in April, summarizing the instructions of Mr. Xi, who "stressed the centralized, unified leadership of the Party over cybersecurity."

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    5. Re:Let me get this straight. by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So the idea is to censor the internet, in order to prevent censorship???

      Exactly. It's like rain on your wedding day, or a free ride when you've already paid.

      Unfortunately more and more people eat this shit up. The only thing missing is "think of the children".

      "The internet [is] not governed. So now that half of humanity is online, we need to find new ways to organize the internet," an official from Macron's office said. "Otherwise, the internet as we know it today -- free, open and secure -- will be damaged by the new threats."

      Do these people even hear themselves talk? "We need to regulate the internet to keep it free and open." This is the exact definition of doublespeak.

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    6. Re:Let me get this straight. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference between Europe and China is that in China the censorship is pure, while in Europe it is diluted with hypocrisy.

    7. Re:Let me get this straight. by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      EU bureaucrats will decide what speech is and who to report for judicial and police investigation.
      No freedom of speech online. No freedom after speech.
      Think tanks, NGO and EU governments will report users content and comments.
      No funny comments about French politics. No comments about Catalan independence.

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    8. Re:Let me get this straight. by Kaenneth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hate speech is great, it lets you know who the assholes are so you can fire them, expell them, shun them, etc.

    9. Re:Let me get this straight. by I'm+just+joshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do.
      And I'm a firm believer that the cure to hate or other bad speech is more speech, not less.

    10. Re:Let me get this straight. by taustin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you hate seeing opinions you disagree with, everything removed will, obviously, be hate speech.

    11. Re: Let me get this straight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm both gay and Jewish. I hear hate speech literally all the time, from left and right.

      I'm not your shield for justifying censorship. I'm not your pet to be protected. I'm not an infant who needs your shelter.

      Go. Fuck. Yourself.

    12. Re: Let me get this straight. by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Soon your comment disparaging the NYT will be considered "hate speech" and will be censored. True or not, it doesn't matter.

    13. Re:Let me get this straight. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not hypocrisy, it's a different understanding of what freedom is.

      In the US freedom is mostly about not being preventing from doing what you want. Most of the limits are to prevent harm to other people.

      In Europe freedom also includes the opportunity to do things you want to do. So for example education is considered a human right, because without education you are severely limited in your ability to pursue your goals and to pursue happiness. The US has some of this, e.g. education is mandatory and parents can't prevent their kids getting any entirely.

      So in this case it's clear to Europeans what they mean. Speech that limits the freedom of others, e.g. by inciting violence against them and making them afraid to live their lives as they wish is anti-freedom. Again, the US does recognize that to a lesser extent with laws against threats.

      If you read TFA the main focus is actually not on such speech, it's on the fact that right now it's mostly corporations deciding what speech is acceptable. Many on Slashdot have been calling for companies like Facebook and Twitter to be forced to allow all legal speech rather than just what they wish to tolerate on their sites, so in theory should support this.

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  2. Ummm... by nwaack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "aimed at establishing regulations for the internet, to fight such online threats as cyber attacks, hate speech and online censorship"

    Anybody else see a problem with that statement?

    1. Re:Ummm... by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly, since the EU Supreme Court just decided that the historic facts Islam is based on is "hate speech" there is no need for anyone to sign this agreement.

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    2. Re:Ummm... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly, since the EU Supreme Court just decided that the historic facts Islam is based on is "hate speech"

      Their ruling is based on the principle that if people get offended and react violently, then it is hate speech.

      NOT hate speech: Mohammad had sex with a 9 year old girl. -- This is a widely accepted historical fact.
      NOT hate speech: Men who have sex with 9 year old girls are pedophiles. -- This is a noncontroversial fact.
      HATE SPEECH: Mohammad was a pedophile. -- This is a logical syllogism of the previous two facts, but is hate speech because people got offended.

      NOT hate speech: Jesus was a pedophile. -- This is ok, because Christians don't get offended easily.
      NOT hate speech: Joseph Smith was a pedophile. -- Also ok, because Mormons don't riot.
      NOT hate speech: Buddha was a pedophile. -- Buddhists don't riot either.

      So in Europe, if you want your right to not be offended enforced by the courts, you need to be willing to get violent, vandalize cars, and burn some shops. Some bombings will bring you even more respect.

  3. To fight hate speech and online censorship? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They'll have to make up their minds, they can't have both.

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  4. Oh, fuck off with your bullshit "Hate Speech" by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Speech is NOT an emotion. There is no such thing as "hate speech"

    Either you have free speech or you don't.

    Trying to label "some" speech as hate speech is nothing more then censorship. PERIOD.

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    1. Re: Oh, fuck off with your bullshit "Hate Speech" by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the USA, 'Liberal' has a new meaning. It used to mean 'in favor of liberty', not for decades now.

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  5. Can't wait to read this by willoughby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So we're going to fight "hate speech" and at the same time fight "online censorship"? Oh, this should be good....

  6. Totalitarians by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As usual, socialists are showing their true colors.

  7. Thanks Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thankfully Trump's distrust and dislike of them will block this from taking hold in the US. This is a classic example of a power grab "for the greater good" by nation's that do not believe in the freedom of speech.

    To censor hate speech, they will need to put people in charge of what is hate speech, which naturally they will define to increase their power. And to enable those people to take action, they'll have to have a controlling stake of key parts of the internet.

    As for calling out China for not people a part of this, why the hell would they care? They already enforce such behaviors in their nation to great effect. I can only wonder if this request was modeled after such a disgusting setup.

  8. We legally enforce censorship all the time by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    post a threat to kill the president of the United States and see how long until you get a visit from Uncle Sam and his G-Men.

    There's nothing wrong with censoring threats of violence, and I saw nothing in the articles to indicate anything more was being proposed. Now, to be fair both articles were lite on substance but we could do with a bit more of a swing in the other direction. Where I am (America) we've got bi-weekly mass shootings and daily shootings, many of which are racially motivated. I'm getting more than a bit nervous and I'm a white guy. I don't want us being the next Reich.

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    1. Re:We legally enforce censorship all the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. We don't censor.
      2. The crime of an actionable threat of violence is in the intent of violence, not speaking about it.

  9. Re: I don't by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hate speech, e.g. outright calls for violence, is and should be illegal in all civilized societies. Making threats, including thinly veiled ones, illegal isn't so much censorship as preserving public order.

    This is clearly the far-left strategy:

    1. Pretend to be against violence.
    2. Ban violence.
    3. Claim that speech you don't like is violence.
    4. Ban any speech you don't like.
    5. Beat the living fuck out of anyone saying things you don't like (after all, it's just self defense).

    It should really have been obvious all along, but it wasn't until they rolled out the concept of "microagression" that people really started to clue in.

  10. Re:I don't by nwaack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You seem to think that hate speech = threats of violence. That may have been the case back in the day, but now that we're living in PC social justice hell, hate speech isn't just threats of violence, it's anything that offends people. If the world is going to censor "offensive stuff" on the internet, then we might as well just shut the whole thing down right now.