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Minister in Charge of Japan's Cybersecurity Says He Has Never Used a Computer (nytimes.com)

Futurepower(R) shares a report: A lot of people don't use computers. Most of them aren't in charge of a nation's cybersecurity. But one is. Japanese lawmakers were aghast on Wednesday when Yoshitaka Sakurada, 68, the minister who heads the government's cybersecurity office, said during questioning in Parliament that he had no need for the devices, and appeared confused when asked basic technology questions. "I have been independently running my own business since I was 25 years old," he said. When computer use is necessary, he said, "I order my employees or secretaries" to do it. [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source.] "I don't type on a computer," he added.

Asked by a lawmaker if nuclear power plants allowed the use of USB drives, a common technology widely considered to be a security risk, Mr. Sakurada did not seem to understand what they were. "I don't know details well," he said. "So how about having an expert answer your question if necessary, how's that?" The comments were immediately criticized. "I can't believe that a person who never used a computer is in charge of cybersecurity measures," said Masato Imai, an opposition lawmaker.

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  1. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I could argue that the US president knows a similar amount about politics or diplomatics, but then I guess that honor could be extended to most in his administration.
    See guys, now that it happens in another country is when you see it is a weird thing.

    Did you say the same when a Senator with all of two years of experience in the US Senate and no actual leadership experience ever became President in 2008?

  2. Doesn't have to be that bad by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is much better than having someone who thinks he is a cybersecurity expert after blacklisting a website on his home router. That guy would not think it's safe to plug in a random USB stick in a nuclear power plant terminal because "of course the plant has a firewall".

    He at least KNOWS that he has to ask experts for technical questions. It's the half-knowledge that's most dangerous.

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    1. Re:Doesn't have to be that bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What are you talking about? You need a basic level grasp of things to make a decision after the input of experts. He seems to be nowhere near that level, and it is not the experts who will be called to decide things!

    2. Re:Doesn't have to be that bad by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's my thought, too. I've been teaching people to use computers for 20 years. It's pretty easy to show people what technology will let them do.

      What's a lot more difficult is to teach the thought process to recognize unsafe interactions that is necessary for a security expert. I can't easily teach someone to second-guess technical assumptions stated as facts. I can't easily teach someone to understand that nobody is trustworthy enough to have unaudited system privileges. I can't easily teach someone that security comes from work, not from progress.

      Sure, I can try to teach these things. I can lecture lots of students, and they might even learn a few of the concepts, but thinking from a security perspective is very different from the "just make it work" approach that engineers and sysadmins tend to follow. Give me an old businessman who understands how to manage people and processes to do the huge amounts of work needed to maintain security, and I can teach him the few technical details he'll need to make sense of the systems.

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    3. Re:Doesn't have to be that bad by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don’t know the exact nature of his job, but if he’s just there to manage it’s probably not a big deal, but even if you’re wise enough to delegate to experts, what do you do when the experts disagree or don’t have good answer themselves. Maybe in that case it doesn’t matter as being clueless doesn’t leave you that much worse off, but it does make it harder for others to follow or implement if they’re not confident in it.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s just a paper pusher. If that’s the case it probably is better that he just smiles nicely and doesn’t screw things up for everyone working under him. Sure you could argue that it would be better still if a competent person were in his position, but if this position just exists for someone to make appearances and deliver speeches, you’re just wasting the competent person’s time.

  3. Not a first by bluegutang · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Robert Moses, who tore up a bunch of New York City neighborhoods to build freeways, never drove a car. (He had a chauffeur drive him everywhere)

  4. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, you don't have to be a lifetime Congressman/Senator to become a capable President. In fact I'd say it would be better if you were not part of the system - that's until we got one of the most useless people alive become president, someone whose only qualification is that he is not a politician, but fails at every other human metric...

  5. How is this news? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most science ministers lack a science degree and there have certainly been some decidedly uneducated education ministers. Defence ministers have rarely served in the armed forces and we once had a Chancellor of the Exchequer who could not balance his credit card. Sadly, in a democracy, the only qualification for the job that counts is that you got more votes than anyone else and all this requires is that you look like less of a drooling idiot than the other people standing for election...and sometimes even that isn't true.

    1. Re:How is this news? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Many people thought that the alternative candidate was worse...

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    2. Re:How is this news? by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's often overlooked in the rest of the world.

      Heck, a wig on a broomstick would have beaten both of them.

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  6. So did you expect the minister to write the code ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Do you need a race car driver to run the national highway administration ?

    Doing actual security work is probably the last thing anyone expects him to do and the last thing his job calls for.

    What he is going to have to do is be the voice of his agency within the government
    Insure it's properly funded.
    Settle internal disputes.

    Where he will have problems is making informed decisions about the merits of different technologies and given that technical people aren't even particularly useful there it's not that big a loss. Just think of how many technologies you thought were going to be the next big thing but nobody remembers anymore.

  7. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No, you don't have to be a lifetime Congressman/Senator to become a capable President. In fact I'd say it would be better if you were not part of the system - that's until we got one of the most useless people alive become president, someone whose only qualification is that he is not a politician, but fails at every other human metric...

    I'm sure that almost full employment with actual wage growth finally starting to appear after 8 years of limp "recovery" because we had to "remake the US economy" [to be more "progressive" - Obama kinda left that part unsaid...] is "useless".

    Or maybe you think "useful" leadership is giving a few hundred billion dollars to literally medieval religious fanatics trying to build nuclear weapons while setting up an "inspection" system that allows those same religious fanatics to declare areas that can't be inspected? Gee, you'd have to be REALLY FUCKING STUPID to think that kind of "leadership" is "useful".

  8. Finally, some good news! by mark_reh · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The US isn't the only country with complete idiots running things.

  9. Re:I actually don't see a problem here ... by rkordmaa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He doesn't even understand the purpose of the organization he is running, you can replace him with a monkey and get the same results.

  10. Re:Low-tech Japanese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The same thing happens all the time in the UK. Important jobs are given out as rewards or to groom allies of the Prime Minister. The people in charge of stuff like education, the army, Wales and of course cybersecurity are normally completely unqualified and clueless. It's the job of the civil servants to explain everything to them and handle the detail.

    Isn't this just the modern day version of how things have worked in England since at least 1066?

  11. Re:Low-tech Japanese by Voice+of+satan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suppose it is the same in most places. Sometimes it can work out if the subject does not require too much understanding of the technicalities and the opinions of experts is either easy to vulgarize or very consensual. In many subjects where the politician is going to be showered by propaganda from various lobbies who can simulate expertise, it won't do and it can lead to catastrophes.

    If you read TFA, the guy is obviously a doofus. This is not his first.

    I grew up in a country (Belgium) where a big chunk of the public is hostile to the very notion of expertise. They perceive it as arrogance. So incompetence is not only tolerated but touted as a form of modesty or some kind of righteous revenge of the legitimate "people" against the abusive "elites". So kakistocracy is actually a thing.

    Of course, it must happen in many other countries. I just happen to know the one i grew up in.