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Air Quality in San Francisco is So Bad that Uber Drivers Are Selling Masks Out of Their Cars (recode.net)
California's devastating wildfires are causing unhealthy air conditions for locals breathing in harmful fumes. From a report: In San Francisco, which currently has the second-worst-rated air quality out of any city in the world, one driver was spotted selling N95 respirator masks for $5 apiece. That's significantly above market rate. Right now you can buy a 10-pack of similar masks for about $13 on Amazon. But considering the masks are sold out at many local stores, riders may be willing to dish out the cash for immediate access to the protective gear. Further reading: California needs to reinvent its fire policies, or the death and destruction will go on.
will uber blacklist drivers who sell them? force them to sell though the uber app?
Wait, people pay a higher cost to live in these areas versus anywhere else in the country? LOL... Silly Californians.
Air quality levels throughout the Bay Area are in the âoeunhealthyâ range of 151 to 200 on the U.S. Environmental Protection Agencyâ(TM)s Air Quality Index
Can we get that in hobo power?
Thatâ(TM)s the San Francisco treat!
selling popsicles and chalupas out of their cars.
Wha? It's Uber!
If youâ(TM)re in an area that had wildfire smoke last year, donâ(TM)t wait until next year to order them. I ordered them online last summer and they didnâ(TM)t arrive until after the smoke was mostly gone.
Isn't it the same in every big city?
I can't understand the rationality of the fucking idiots that pay 4x as much to live in London, New York, or San Francisco to suffer 4x the pollution and overcrowding, for only 2x the salary.
I personally also think they're fucking idiots, but ultimately it's their choice.
My roommate ordered those N95 masks through Amazon since we couldn't find a local store that sells them in SF.
have people pooping on the sidewalks?
Smoke is coming from the Butte County fire that is 180 miles away. Otherwise, air quality is generally good in the San Francisco Bay Area.
Quite right. Sanctuary city full of illegal aliens, streets littered with homeless, drugged out zombie vagrants who piss and shit all over the place, sky-high, artificially-inflated rents, far too many sodomites and their stinky agenda, highest taxes in the country... and they wonder why the entire state is a cesspool.
Cuz muh ethnic food trucks
The laws do exist.
But they have to be enforced.
The way trash and waste builds up in city areas. Tent cities and parked RV are allowed in city areas with no enforcement.
That political view of using state laws extends to natural fuel and getting ready.
Laws and tax payers money would have to be used to prevent the build up of waste and junk.
Understand the dead tree issue and do something about it.
Building in zones near wildlands.
Do some fuel reduction projects.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Of course smoke is coming from the Buttes. It's San Francisco...
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612430/california-must-reinvent-its-practices-and-policies-for-a-deadly-new-fire-reality/
Completely misguided.
Author mentions, "To lessen the dangers, state or local governments could require fire-resistant building materials, like stone, brick, and cement", fails to understand that California is Earthquake Country and the conditions that cause fires.
While I agree that wood shingle roofs don't help, he doesn't understand that firebrands that fly in from miles away under high speed winds and then make it underneath minute cracks of roofing tiles causing fire w/ cellulose insulation.
A San Diego community actually has an ingenious method of mitigating the risk in this sort of danger, they have roof mounted sprinklers across the entire property. When a fire approaches, all the homes are went down, problem solved. Plus the increased humidity in the form of water mist kills practically all fire brands flying through the air.
Tons of laws and regs and yet air quality is terrible.
California is a shithole.
Indeed.
California has the highest poverty rate in the US. [Gawd, that had to hurt Politifact to rate that as true...]
I'm sure if they raised taxes even higher, they could address the rampant poverty.
Along with the shit on San Francisco's streets.
We live in the city because we don't want to deal with country bumpkins. People that whine about how their shitty 3500 sqft house in the middle of nowhere is better than a 650 sqft apartment near restaurants, shops, the beach, etc.
Country life is great if you want to raise kids and have nothing to do but fuck you fat wife ever day.
ZIP
most of the land that's going up in smoke is Federal. As has been pointed out in previous threads the Fed needs to fund clearing dead trees, but that's expensive and those tax cuts don't pay for themselves (no, they really don't).
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Montreal is different, for now. 1/2 the rent, same pay.
The humanoid sludge from California is seeping into other states and infecting them with socialism.
This is what happens when Democrats control a city. It doesn't happen over night but years in the making. Look to Detroit for a history lesson. Pretty soon when it gets so bad people will start fleeing the city and it will start collapsing. Might take 15-20 years but its on its way.
They should perform controlled burns of the forests and of the gays too.
Whoops I think I may have inadvertently stepped into the wrong echo chamber.
Before I leave, let me say that California has its problems like everywhere, but it's the most populous state and gaining net population for a reason. It's simple logic that it can't be bad if so many people are so intent on living there.
I can tell that logic won't really fly there though so I am outta here ...
Come on, I would think that regulations should be used to stop all of that bad air. Issue solved.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Actually San Francisco has finally opened the portal to Hell it has been trying to summon for ages by sacrificing homeless people and using Poop-Magics.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Cool, I guess your shitty state should get none of CA's federal tax money, right?
...
California did not stop the forest service from doing controlled burns... ever. I live in a wooded area in California (mostly National Forest surrounds me, some state parks) and there have been controlled burns every year since I've lived here (42 years).
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
The air pollution is due to the current forest fires, friend. The air quality was excellent a month ago.
So, the wildfires in rural areas of California are caused by urban homeless people?
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
How about checking into the mental hospital?
P.S. I wouldn't trust code from anybody posting bullshit spam like this.
Gaining: See Southern Border. Losing: See NV, TX, AZ.
Don't worry about it.
Those Red state Republican enthusiasts hate California because it shows the liberal policies can lead to a great economy and a great place to live.
It shows the lies that are spun by the right for what they are.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
I've got some bad news for your overblown ego. This isn't Detroit. In the history of the entire world, nobody has ever abandoned a beach city. Learn your history.
Here's a great 3D representation of wind patterns over the planet. California appears to be in an area that is central to multiple streams that pull air out of California. Logic says that regardless of any echo-chambers, you sir, are correct. :)
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If we could keep socialism/rampant regulation/etc out, sure I'll give up any $'s coming from CA. It would be a net-plus, both liberty-wise AND economic wise. Any $'s coming from CA are much offset by increased expenses from regulations/etc from CA congressmen & their ilk.
I don't think "market rate" means what you think it means.
Fuel reduction in about 80% of the burnt areas is a federal responsibility.
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Classic example of assuming your temporary advantage is permanent. Gouging tends to result in a bad long term result
Don't worry about it.
Those Red state Republican enthusiasts hate California because it shows the liberal policies can lead to a great economy and a great place to live.
It shows the lies that are spun by the right for what they are.
What "great economy"?
California has by far the highest poverty rate in the US.
will uber blacklist drivers who sell them? force them to sell though the uber app?
Why? This proves they're contractors. Normal employees would get fired if they tried to do a side job on the clock.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
is New Delhi with the worst-rated air quality out of any city in the world,
While the controlled burns and clearing haven't stopped, they've absolutely been reduced. Every article I've read so far has confirmed this. However, it doesn't sound like a one issue problem. (ie the California government is stopping the forest management from doing controlled burns) It sounds like there are multiple agencies involved, and they may have contradictory agendas. If air quality is important to one, and controlled burns harm air quality,then it's hard to justify burning. Additionally, more harms are being built in these regions, making controlled burning a more difficult prospect. Now forest management has to worry about the impacts the fire/smoke may have on residents.
Most of these lands are federal lands, and federal investment in forest management hasn't kept up with the needs. CA doesn't have the funding or manpower to treat the problems which spread across millions of acres of land. The constant drought CA has been experiencing makes it even more imperative to do prevention, but since that drought is spread so far, there's no way they have the resources to do the prevention...
Do I even need to get into PG&E not doing their due diligence to ensure their lines don't start fires in sensitive areas?
Needless to say, this is a catastrophic end to a problem that's resulted from multiple factors that are all difficult to manage in their own right.
We live in the city because we don't want to deal with country bumpkins.
I have been all over the world and lived in both small and large metro areas (some internationally).
You can get great restaurants, great shops, and a beach for vastly less money in many cities now.
In fact at this point not only would I not LIVE in SF, but after years of visiting SF every year for conferences I refuse to even TRAVEL to SF any longer.
Any way you look at it, you are the bumpkin and the rube (Rubelbumkin if you will) by choosing to live there.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
homes*, not "harms"
Being downwind from China, it's never excellent.
As a Californian, this map makes me want to cry. This is not why I chose to pay the high taxes and cost-of-living here.
Please let it be true.
How else do you think Salesforce found room for a new tower? They are first to grab some of that coveted Hellscape.
And truth be told, it smells better down there than in Mission, plus the eternal fires are like the ULTIMATE in renewable energy.
Also say what you will about the Devil but at least Hel-train runs cars on time.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Because.. uh... suburbs! Ya, suburbs are bad you know. They have clean streets, it's quiet, and you don't see any homeless people anywhere. Who could live like that? Meanwhile in the city there are these great museums near me. Ok, I've never actually gone to the museums, but if I were to go I'd rather they be in my neighborhood than have to take the train in.
So, the wildfires in rural areas of California are caused by urban homeless people?
It's possible for two different things to be symptoms of the same problem.
The 5th largest economy in the world, if the education system where you are from wasnâ(TM)t so bad you would know that
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California
The economy of California is the largest in the United States, boasting a $2.746 trillion gross state product as of 2017.[8] As a sovereign nation (2017), California would rank as the world's fifth largest economy, ahead of the United Kingdom but behind Germany.[9].
Ca has a high poverty rate because
#1 the housing costs are so high because so many want to live here because of the weather.
#2 our weather is so good, you wont die of exposure in the winter, so they come from the rest of the US
Rinse and repeat
Like basic automotive safety?
Specific
https://www.sanluisobispo.com/...
lots more
https://www.google.com/search?...
Don't let facts get in the way of your faith.
Facts?
These articles don't say anything about the Forest Service being prevented from doing controlled burns.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
I've got some bad news for your overblown ego. This isn't Detroit. In the history of the entire world, nobody has ever abandoned a beach city. Learn your history.
I see a lot of Bay Area license plates in WA, ID, MT, OR as of late. They are leaving, just getting back filled with new dreamers.
California has an advantage that no other state or city (never mind Detroit) ever had: natural geography. Find me a city in the entire world with more temperate climate than San Francisco (that is, outdoor temperature close to 70 deg F year-around), and you will have found a city that can be run just as badly while people still flock to it.
I think of California as a very beautiful woman (geography) with terrible personality (government). Despite what people say, the personality only starts to grate on you when the beauty fades.
All the way out here in Wisconsin, as it was the last time CA lit on fire, my allergies are going nuts. That's odd considering the temperature but the smoke particles legitimately travel this far!
Facts?
These articles don't say anything about the Forest Service being prevented from doing controlled burns.
vs
The U.S. Forest Service was sued when it tried to create a six-mile fuel break and eventually dropped the project. The opposition from environmental organizations was out of concerns that they would affect “sensitive habitat.” The Santa Barbara County fire chief is now calling for the creation of a network of fuel breaks to provide a frontline defense against future major fires, but these efforts also face pushback.
Read more here: https://www.sanluisobispo.com/...
Being a lying sack of shit work well for you ?
I don't believe California did that in recent history. In the past though it was indeed the policy nationwide to stamp out fires as swiftly as possible, which is not good forest management.
Now there is indeed talk that you could send in loggers to thin out dead trees. The real problem however is the excessive brush and undergrowth, and there's no economic incentive for a logging company to clear that out. Also the dead trees are not high quality wood, so logging companies really want to take out healthy trees when they want to thin a forest.
One issue with controlled burns is that these have gotten out of control in the past. We do need more of this, but not now at this time. Forest management in California is not in a bad shape.
And if the country was just the red states we would be like Eastern Europe given the poor levels of economic prosperity they seem to be able to provide (aside from Texas of course).
Of course this is a free country so feel free to feel to be as passionate as you want over how you personally feel it would be worth it to get rid of blue state inspired regulations even if it meant shedding the most prosperous parts of the country. I mean, who knows, maybe you'll get your dream. Just don't wonder why your Southern/Bible Belt country doesn't have any money if that happens.
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Air quality in San Francisco is actually very excellent almost all of the time. They create lots of pollution, but it blows east 90% of the time and gives the valley and Sierra foothills bad air.
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Suburban sprawl bad, okay? We can't say why, but it's bad. Oh, we'll point to things like having to develop roads, sewers, electrical infrastructure, etc. But we'll ignore the fact that the people living in the suburbs pay for that and pay to maintain it. And we'll ignore the state of all those things in our preferred alternative - the overcrowded shit hole cities.
In San Francisco, which currently has the second-worst-rated air quality out of any city in the world, one driver was spotted selling N95 respirator masks for $5 apiece. That's significantly above market rate. Right now you can buy a 10-pack of similar masks for about $13 on Amazon.
Truth is, under most circumstances you'd always buy shit cheaper at a supermarket or whatever and often in volume if it's non-perishable. Which means there's very little point at selling something at 30% or 50% mark-up. I've paid 5 euros at a camping grounds on the weekend for a pack of batteries that would normally cost 1 euro. How often would that happen, maybe once a month? You're not going to get rich making 4 euros/month selling batteries. They still wouldn't sell well for 2 euros/pack. At some point you have to cease looking at "rational" cost and look at lost opportunity costs. I was there, out of batteries, the nearest proper store was far away and the alternative was probably to not buy batteries at all. It wasn't a trap or anything like that, it was just a duuuuuuuh moment as I realized all the batteries were dead.
Honestly, I feel that this is sometimes the exact opposite of the sunk cost fallacy - we've spent tons of money to get here but then we're going to skimp on the last dollars to actually take advantage of it. Like you go to a foreign country with airplane tickets and hotel and whatnot but then it's like should we really go out to eat or just grab some snacks from the local store. And I'm like the opportunity cost of going out to eat at a fancy Greek restaurant is just the cost of going out to a fancy restaurant, we've already paid for everything else. Yes in isolation we can go to McDonald's and it's a lot cheaper, but in total we're then paying a ton of money for the same shitty experience we could get at home. If we ever wanted to do it later, we'd have to re-sink the cost of going to Greece so the opportunity is "cheap" here and now. So... if you're about to step of out the taxi and see smog hell, is $5 worth it? I think yes.
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I just posted a bunch of links showing that yes that is ongoing.
Hell even as the fires are raging the Santa Barbara fire chief is still getting pushback on creating a firebreak.
Just by the evidence of the forests burning in massive conflagrations it's hard to see how you can say "Forest management in California is not in bad shape"
Before I leave, let me say that California has its problems like everywhere, but it's the most populous state and gaining net population for a reason.
It's the most populous state, but it's also a very large state.
It's gaining population for a reason, sure. CA + free welfare + nearly irrevocable sanctuary is still better than Mexico.
I'd be cumming if you were smoking my cock. ;-)
Just saying
You mean our Mediterranean climate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...? Just click that link and then click on the map in the upper right. All those spots labeled "Cool-summer mediterranean climate" are basically San Francisco in terms of climate.
As for government, thank you for your input but please don't come here as we're very happy being the fifth largest economy in the world and have no interest having an economy like a Red state's (even Texas'). Given Red states history of poor governance we can do without voters in favor of such stagnating disasters.
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In the history of the entire world, nobody has ever abandoned a beach city. Learn your history.
Pacific Islanders did it all the time. South Americans too, and they had settlements far more worthy of being called cities. There are plenty of submerged ruins too.
So, the wildfires in rural areas of California are caused by urban homeless people?
Often, yes. Last year there were several wildfires in my county that were determined to be the result of "warming fires", set by local hobos, that got out of control.
CA was the 5th largest economy in the world. Then the Dems took hold of it. It's now number 7, and sliding fast.
If the map can't distinguish between San Francisco and Walnut Creek through the Caldecott tunnel, then it's not discriminating enough.
When it comes to climate, there's the "good enough" (a lot of people tolerate Florida or Hawaii weather), and there's the "best". Apparently my standards are higher than yours.
"Apparently my standards are higher than yours."
Or maybe you don't have ability to recognize the wide swaths of territory that have a "Cool-summer mediterranean climate". I'm sorry I don't have a super detailed map you can zoom in on for you but I really don't care that your "standards" are so high. I've effectively shown that other parts of the country and world have similar climates to San Francisco and that's all I set out to do.
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Every trip you take with Uber or Lyft increases the miles per person travelled by 40-60 percent, on average.
Solution: use public transit, an e-bike, or an e-scooter, and buy a good air mask. And, based on the months we lived amongst forest fire smoke in Washington State, some goggles (the ski goggles help). Also, add some blinky lights, because smoke reduces visibility.
If you do drive, turn your air onto "recirculate" - you're just sucking in microparticles that aren't screened with auto air conditioning filters. You're going to need to replace your air filters as soon as this ends, by the way.
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The fact that you offer those links as irrefutable proof shows only how poorly educated you are. If the Federal government still funded the Forest Service this would not be happening. If PG&E were nationalized this would not be happening. You want these fires to show how broken and dysfunctional California is, but sadly they only show how broken and dysfunctional national politics and Western capitalism are. Don't worry if you disagree, I'm sure that kind of thinking is well over your little head.
Some of us were born here. We'd prefer if all you fuckers leave immediately, BTW.
We take the poor people you've discarded. It drives up the poverty rate. It's called "taking responsibility".
I'm sure you wouldn't understand what I'm talking about.
Typical Red state or Republican voter: lies about things that can be easily verified.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
That says nothing about controlled burns.
Try basic reading comprehension.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
That says nothing about California suing
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Nice quote from your nice little right wing rag. Too bad you didn't include the meat of the article further down, which was advocating turning over the forests to logging companies. Though I guess it is true that you can't have forest fires without forests. And then there's this nice little tidbit:
Being a sack of shit trumpian shill work out well for you?
Imagine all the people...
Don't let anyone lie to you, it is 63F in San Francisco most days, closer to 52F within 1 hour of sunset. 70F is a fairy dream. Also it's windy as fuck so even though it's 63F out and sunny, you typically need to find a wind break between 12 and 4:30pm if you aren't wearing a light jacket. It's 70F in my house without a heater, but it is certainly not 70F outside most days.
moox. for a new generation.
More like all the crap in the streets, that's where the bad air is from. The rest comes from China. Time to bomb the motherfuckers! That, and kick the street shitters out.
I think nationally, San Diego is given way higher marks as having the best climate in the country, Los Angeles is arguably warmer and certainly less windy than San Francisco. Berkeley is fucking frigid most days because it gets the full blast of pacific air every afternoon.
Redwood City, Stanford both have far superior climates Stanford University exists 30 miles south of San Francisco for a reason, it could easily have been built in the city.
Curious if you have visited San Francisco outside of the indian summer season? San Francisco is a great city to live in due to lack of rain and snow, but I don't think anyone (besides you) has ever called San Francisco weather best in the country. Like the other guy said, the cities on the other end of the tunnel live in an entirely different microclimate, completely disconnected from San Francisco which is basically a mountainous peninsula 7 miles out in the pacific ocean, and the climate reflects that.
moox. for a new generation.
"I'm a much better programmer than APK" - by Anonymous Coward ZIP on Monday October 08, 2018 @11:27PM (#57449082)
BIG TALK - ZIP has no programs to show as proof.
I do https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
(From registered /.ers liking/using/praising my work + 100k users worldwide)
ZIP tried to take credit for what I solved before him https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
He codes? He can't EVEN READ!
I show 2 ways to do it YOURSELF https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... - he can't.
Delphi/FreePascal/ObjectPascal HAS no null-term'd string bufferoverflows https://developers.slashdot.or... - C does, C++ can UNLESS you do what I said 1st.
He likes CODE SIGNING (it's been STOLEN & ABUSED) https://www.helpnetsecurity.co...
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ZIP says he has no /. acct "I don't have an account so I don't have mod points" https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
Yet ZIP says he downmods me (IMPOSSIBLE w/ no /. acct.): "I down-modded a few of your post" - by Anonymous Coward "ZIP" on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:31AM (#57461058)
APK
P.S.=> KEEP IMPERSONATING ME like https://science.slashdot.org/c... (I'd never say that OR bitch to do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-wells" like ZIP OR c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com... (he 1st mocked me & impersonated me TWISTING /.ers words & after I FAIRLY challenged him to show HE DID BETTER & that was his response (weak))!
Above EXPOSES your BLOWHARD incompetence... apk
It might depend on parts of San Diego (haven't spent enough time there to know), but in summer, it feels way too hot. This year might have been an anomaly, but the only livable part of California this summer was SF Bay Area (... kinda ironic now, I know).
N95 face mask, meh.
You should get one of these half-mask respirators with particulate filters
https://www.jamestowndistribut...
I use a half mask with organic vapor cartridges for orchard spraying, and with it on, a person cannot even smell their own flatulence. The N95 is a toy.
Zach Paterson/ZIP + c6gunner 'Greatest Hits': "I'm a much better programmer than APK" - by Anonymous Coward ZIP on Monday October 08, 2018 @11:27PM (#57449082)
BIG TALK - ZIP has no programs to show as proof.
I do https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
(From registered /.ers liking/using/praising my work + 100k users worldwide)
ZIP tried to take credit for what I solved before him https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
He codes? He can't EVEN READ!
I show 2 ways to do it YOURSELF https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... - he can't.
Delphi/FreePascal/ObjectPascal HAS no null-term'd string bufferoverflows https://developers.slashdot.or... - C does, C++ can UNLESS you do what I said 1st.
He likes CODE SIGNING (it's been STOLEN & ABUSED) https://www.helpnetsecurity.co...
MY METHOD CAN'T BE (upmodded +2 INTERESTING in CODING FOR DEFCON) https://it.slashdot.org/commen...
ZIP says he has no /. acct "I don't have an account so I don't have mod points" https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
Yet ZIP says he downmods me (IMPOSSIBLE w/ no /. acct.): "I down-modded a few of your post" - by Anonymous Coward "ZIP" on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:31AM (#57461058)
APK
P.S.=> KEEP IMPERSONATING ME like https://science.slashdot.org/c... (I'd never say that OR bitch to do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-wells" like ZIP OR c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com... (he 1st mocked me & impersonated me TWISTING /.ers words & after I FAIRLY challenged him to show HE DID BETTER & that was his response (weak))!
Above EXPOSES your BLOWHARD incompetence... apk
Suburban sprawl means everyone is forced to use cars forever and ever and ever.
I will move back to the States at year's end, and I'm going to have to have a car again for the first time in 15 years. Not especially looking forward to it, either.
You have *no* fucking idea how much of your life you end up pouring into one of those things until you don't have to put up with doing so for a while.
Northern California native here. I never ever said San Francisco has the best weather, you're making that bullshit up yourself. North of SF, Sonoma Country for instance, has much better weather.
It was the parent that dictated SF had the best weather, not me.
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That says nothing about controlled burns.
Try basic reading comprehension.
Sorry yesterday was the day I dealt with people that couldn't admit they were wrong.
Today just isn't your day.
Of course San Diego is not part of the "Cool-summer Mediterranean climate" zone I literally showed you. I thought you were so sensitive you could tell the difference...
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The San Louis Obispo Tribune is a right wing rag ? Who knew ?
Is everyone that disagrees with you an agent of the right wing ?
Oh Here it is
" which was advocating turning over the forests to logging companies."
Logging companies are evil. Smack My Head how could I have missed that the people with the most understanding and greatest reason to manage a forest would be infinitely worse than watching it go up in flames because it was badly managed / sarcasm
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And Fake Fox News and a couple of decades of psyco radio have infected your brain.
Adults are talking. Sheesh.
Not every day that you hear someone on /. confirm one of Trump's claims.
"Adults are talking. Sheesh."
Which is probably why you should shush up.
All you've done is made uneducated claims and now you're trying to take the "I'm being the adult" high road.
Sorry, but you're the ignorant troll in this scenario.
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still better than Mexico.
I don't know, the last few times I've been to Tijuana and Ensenada, I thought they both looked better than most of Los Angeles, and a lot less overpriced.
San Francisco especially sucks... lots of cocksucking going on there.
They don't care about clean air,
all they care about sucking down is each other's dirty cum all day long.
I wouldn't live anywhere near those faggots.
Or their filthy air.
Should or shouldn't isn't even a question.
We simply DO NOT WANT your suckass democrat gooch tainted money.
Fuckin tax lovin state full of sissy bois that can't stand on their own.
I live in Alaska. Right now +28F outside. Some snow. Love it. Can't imagine 70-90 weather. Itchy. Bugs. Sweat.
They sell out almost immediately. I've been trying to buy for the last three days. I've been to seven stores. Nobody has them. I could order them online but I need one now, not next week. When you figure what overnight shipping costs, $5 for a mask isn't a bad deal.
The forests are in bad shape. Recent severe droughts and invasive beetles that have killed an incredible percentage of pine trees in the last decade. A statewide burn of all these dead trees would not be a controlled burn... it would take a horrific conflagration to get rid of them all in the same time span they've been dying.
SF does not represent California. It might be home to a lot of nutty people and appear in the news all the time, but it's not even the biggest city in NorCal. That title goes to San Jose.
The laws are reasonable for the most part. I've met conservatives who are surprised to hear that California has a castle doctrine.
It's one guy. One stupid picture of one guy offering a Home Depot mask for $5 taped to his seat gone viral, and the echo chamber of lazy news goes crazy.
Only if housing prices are taken into account, otherwise it's the 17th highest (and better than Texas).
Why do you think housing prices are sky high? Hint: it's not because the economy is shit.
Yeah, because of the Provincial welfare you're getting.. Ya know all that oil money that Ottawa takes from Alberta and gives to you assholes so you'll "stay". How long until Alberta gets tired of that shit?
California is run by the Democrats with ALL statewide offices (Gov, LtGov, SecState, AttyGen, etc), plus super-majorities in both the state assembly and the state senate, plus courts packed with left-wing judges.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
if you are a right winger, you are already working on plans to leave. The weather is usually great and it's nifty to have mountains to the right and an ocean to the left, both within a short drive, but the natural wonder of the state is being offset more and more by the political insanity.
If you are a left winger, well.... pigs love their slop.
The state demands you smog your car every two years. Your car is already over-priced because it has expensive California-specific smog control devices, and your gas is more expensive because California mandates special "boutique blends" of gasoline. Each time you smog you have to pay somebody to do the test (it's not cheap), and then if it does not pass you must either spend a pile of cash getting it into compliance or you must junk it (and lose all the value, it's not legal to sell a vehicle that fails).
Meanwhile, the state of California (which spends $23 BILLION per year on illegal aliens) pretends to be interested in clean air but refuses to implement policies to make wild fires less common and mitigate the effects of those that get started. California does not buy enough fire fighting equipment, not enough firebombing planes, not enough fire retardant, etc and the state does not hire enough people to fight the fires. California does not buy enough equipment and hire enough people to watch for fires in the areas where they always start, particularly in the entirely predictable fire seasons. California continues to allow its big power companies (who are in bed with the state politicians) to string power lines along poles and towers in areas of the state that get very high Santa Ana winds every spring and fall (and those lines start many of the wildfires, like the current "Paradise fire".
Our politicians are just virtue signalling and pushing for more control of the populace when they talk of their love for clean air, else they would do more to prevent these fires that burn without any emissions controls every spring and every fall.
Try your local Woodcraft (or other hobbycrafting store)
They will be somewhere that people don't think to try and buy the masks, and are likely to still have some.
Source: Living through similar in Washington state.
It is federal land for a start, so the state doesn't get to tell the feds what to do on the federal lands.
So wait all you like, just because YOU believe that they are wrong despite reality saying otherwise, YOU are never going to hear them say they are wrong instead.
Entitled prick.
They're the ones in charge, their policies are the ones being followed.
Since 60% of the firefighting is federal and 33% is private industry, leaving 7% for state effect, democratic controlled suck. So unless republican federal government and/or private industry is so nonexistent it doesn't count for anything other than bums on seats, or it's republican and/or private industry that sucks.
playing, My heart bleed for you.
Buy a decent semi-older car and learn to fix it yourself. Older cars are easier to maintain as they are more mechanical where most new cars you pretty much need to be an electrician to fix.
Self reliance is key.
'cos you defo said "lots:" then gave a google search link. Or are you in denial about that reality too?
Electronics tech* 90% of electricians have NFI how most things in a car work whether they have a wire attached or not. But on that note, I am going to rebuild the top half of my 2003 chevy malibu's engine today. Took 6 hours to get down to the problem and I assume 6-8 hours to get back into operation. Every shop I towed it to said $2500 to even start because they couldn't figure out what the issue was from the sound. I tried to tell them the rocker bolt lifted out of the head. You could clearly hear it, and they are the "professionals". Sometimes I feel letting others work on your stuff is why it doesn't last as long as it could.
Don't logging companies have some cut/new plants ratio they have to follow by law? I remember something about it when I was a kid but that was a lot of drugs ago.
But then who gets to repeal the law or seasons set by Mother Nature herself?
Don't give them any ideas. If there's any place that would vote for such a motion, it's California.
I was looking for this reply. Yeah _when there isn't any fire_ the air quality is good. Problem is for the last few years there's ALWAYS fires in California so a significant percentage of each year the air quality is bad, EVERY YEAR. And the air quality (due to fires) has been getting worse for the last 10 years or so, just that many have not been paying attention to the air quality until they can see the air in front of them.
If they were playing "catch up" at first, then it's quite reasonable that the controlled burns have been reduce.
The last time around there were several different fires, and the federal policy was "if it was started by natural causes, let it burn". This would be "sort of" reasonable if it wasn't following after a decades long policy of "snuff every fire as soon as you see it". They do (did?) have a policy that fires should be restrained from developed areas, even if they started naturally, but this means that for a lot of the work you need to decide how the fire started before you can act. Whoops! And when there's a lot of underbrush the fires are a lot hotter than when it's burned off periodically. And during the period when the policy was "snuff every fire immediately" people built in really stupid places...and they haven't since returned those to natural state. And...
So a large part of what's going on is policy changes that were properly motivated, but improperly implemented.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Logging companies have a very bad history when it comes to sustainably managing forests. They often prefer to clear-cut and replant with the economically most profitable species of tree, or just to not replant if their lease is going to run out. I.e., the act in the way that they see economically most profitable. I don't know whether you want to call that evil or not, but it's certainly not maximally beneficial to anyone except the logging company.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
That doesn't sound like pouring less of your life into a car...
I get it, cars are nice, but good public transport comes first. It's not a matter of urban sprawl - it works elsewhere too, where there isn't such a dominant automobile-culture.
IIRC, it depends on the contract. And often the contract doesn't specify that any particular proportion of the replants be the species that were removed. And often it doesn't even specify that any particular proportion of the replants survive a couple of years. Sometimes it does specify such things, and if there are decent enforcement mechanisms, that produces a much better result.
You've got to remember that just like any large company, the logging companies are in business to turn a maximal profit and they don't figure this profit over decades unless they own the land.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Hm... what about Lisbon or Madeira? Famous for their nice climates and weed also legal there...
Don't give them a permit to clear cut, fine them if they do. The forest service actually made a profit off of clearing trees up to the 70s no reason it can't again with the increased demand for lumber.
I don't know whether you want to call that evil or not, but it's certainly not maximally beneficial to anyone except the logging company.
I don't know about "maximally beneficial", but surely it'd be better than the current yearly wildfires, where entire towns are being wiped out?
But you knew that and you don't care.
And add to that if they DID try to sue for cutting more than agreed, if it were enough to merely remove the profit (so everyone still got salary) you and every other libertard would scream them out of existence.
Screw the habitat. All the wildlife in the world is not worth the life of a single human and we just burned aluve 71 of them due to this negligence.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
My children are enrolled in the San Francisco Unified School District. SFUSD closed schools, last Friday. I personally believe this was an over-reaction, more motivated by a desire to protect the school district from legal liability than it was by a desire to protect the children from particulate levels.
In discussions with my flatmate, a few hundred miles outside the Bay Area, he observed that, growing up in Southern California, he remembered days when, if your physical education class was scheduled in the afternoon, you were kept inside. So far, so good.
Without knowing more about the actual particulate levels that triggered these behaviors in Southern California, it's hard to make comparisons between these two policies.
In much of San Francisco there is a haze, and a smell of smoke ... but nothing worse.
The air quality index (buzzword: 'AQI') for the San Francisco Bay Area is calculated from nine counties. San Francisco is just one of the counties and it is located adjacent to the Pacific Ocean.
The website that provides the most concise information as far as I can tell is http://www.airnow.gov/ - some of the subpages include web cameras so that you can assess atmospheric clarity yourself.
Yesterday, for instance, when I visited this site, the sub-page for Mendocino County (100 miles north of the Golden Gate, directly underneath the smoke cloud shown in the satellite image URL, above), showed that the county was shrouded in a dark grey fog; as if it were about to snow - but it was much too warm to be that sort of fog.
My children have been brainwashed by SFUSD into believing that air quality is so bad that everyone needs to remain inside. I've been working to persuade them that they have been misinformed.
I make the argument that a person who goes to Ocean Beach and faces west is breathing air that has traveled more or less 8000 miles without interruption, across the Pacific Ocean.
Admittedly, satellite photos (https://sf.curbed.com/2018/11/9/18080346/satellite-photo-space-smoke-camp-butte-northern-california - note that this was at the BEGINNING of the fire, over a week ago) show some escape of particulates offshore, but it is not clear at what altitude this is happening, and it's clear that it is not going very far offshore.
I have made the case to my family that
a) people pay good money to vacation in regions where the scent of woodsmoke is a prominent feature, therefore, the smell of smoke, alone, cannot be seen as bad for your health; and
b) because of the humidity resulting in fog it is likely that smoke particulates are attaching to water droplets and making the water droplets larger, leading to a visible decrease of the atmospheric clarity ... but that is not smoke.
My take on this situation is that a bunch of anti-smoking Nazis who won elections, based on platforms that were opposed to smoking, then proceeded to cement their positions by passing laws making it illegal to smoke outside (it's illegal to smoke cigarettes in Golden Gate Park, as thousands of tourists learn, to their cost, every year - marijuana's OK, though).
Having eliminated cigarette smokers as a threat to the public, these assholes next outlawed beach fires. I kid you not - I was recently studying a sign, at Ocean Beach, and noted that, in order to start a fire on the beach, one needed to call an 800 number and verify that it was not a "Spare The Air" day.
(Imagine being a tourist in San Francisco. You're at the beach. You have hot dogs and coals you bought at Safeway, across the street. It's cold. The wind is blowing off the ocean. It's foggy. You start a fire, with your kids. All of a sudden, an asshole, in a uniform, drives up, hops out, and gives you an expensive ticket, while telling you, in a morally superior tone, that it's illegal to start fires on the beach today. Nice! Fortunately, there is a steady supply of tourists.)
Having eliminated all these pernicious sour
You know, that really isn't clear. The towns wouldn't be there without the forest. If you remove the forest, then the reason for the town to exist goes away.
To an extent, you're correct, but the question is "Why are people living there anyway?". I suppose second or third generation residents might not be living there because of the environment...but I'm not at all sure that's correct. Most of the folks I've talked to liked the environment, and that's why they wanted to live there. But I don't usually know whether or not they moved there because of the environment, or whether they grew up there.
Now a good case could be made for better maintenance of large firebreaks, but that wouldn't be what the logging companies would desire. The ideal sites for fire breaks are not the best place for harvesting trees either in ease of access (ridgetops are not easy to access) or in the kinds of tree that would be there to harvest. And you don't want to disconnect the forests except during times of emergency, so there should be short uncut areas connecting the two sides of the firebreak, that are only cleared when a fire breaks out. Since they'd only be a few hundred yards wide, they could be quickly cleared when needed. But breaking the forest in to small pieces is really damaging to the wildlife in normal times...so you need connecting corridors that are thick enough that from the middle you can't see out to either side. (That's a rough estimate. I'm not sure what the exact parameters are, and it would be different for different species.) Ideally you'd have freeway overpasses that were forested strips, too, but that's probably too difficult to be feasible.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Actually, I keep telling my wife that our next house will be in the ground, on hillside. Easy/cheap to HVAC, no issues like fire, by being on hillside avoid the water issues. Hail is minimal problem. Seems like way to go.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Buy a Vette. then at least commuting is fun.
At least it is for me.....
Donald Trump, on a crusade to make Nixon look respectable
You foolish foolish fool.
Hillsides mean you risk hill slides. What you want IMO is a hill top, top of a gentle ridge, etc.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
There are plenty of places with a similar climate to San Francisco that aren't as popular. There are huge cultural and economic reasons to move there.
Assuming your right, that bolt is a symptom. If you don't fix the root cause, it will happen again.
Could just be a collapsed lifter was causing the valve train to hammer. Those bolts don't just fail.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Too bad. Sorry about your education.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
No, hill sides are fine. Being at the bottom is a bad place. Being on weak ground is VERY bad. What I suggest here in Colorado, is not.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
aluminum head. it pulled strait out, bad design there is 1.5 inches above with the rocker seat and rocker. and not big enough around giving enough surface area on the threads. Using time-serts to fix it but i think i will be replacing the engine within a year.
You've never seen a fire face up a hill before have you...
Caffeinated Bacon/Crimson Tsunami, the house is mostly in the ground, and covered. Very little exposure. Fire is not an issue.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
In fact at this point not only would I not LIVE in SF, but after years of visiting SF every year for conferences I refuse to even TRAVEL to SF any longer.
What a joke you've become. You slip into hyperbolic drama to establish some irrelevant point?
Since you've visited so frequently, you surely realize the Bay Area is a huge metropolitan area that goes well beyond the tiny city of San Francisco.
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When it comes to climate, there's the "good enough" (a lot of people tolerate Florida or Hawaii weather), and there's the "best". Apparently my standards are higher than yours.
Wow, I live in the SF Bay Area sharing the weather with SF, and have most of my life. I agree, it's excellent, and temperate. I've also spent time in Hawaii, and that's not "tolerating" the weather there. Hawaii's weather is leagues better. Perfect temperature just about all the time, as opposed to SF's usual "It's ok, but it could stand to be a bit warmer."
Look it up, shitlord. I'm in CA and am not a Republican, so deal with it you clownfuck.
Fuel reduction in about 80% of the burnt areas is a federal responsibility.
It is too bad then that California is so anti-federalism.