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High Score, Low Pay: Why the Gig Economy Loves Gamification (theguardian.com)

Ostracus writes: Using ratings, competitions and bonuses to incentivise workers isn't new -- but as I found when I became a Lyft driver, the gig economy is taking it to another level. [...] The language of choice, freedom, and autonomy saturate discussions of ride hailing. "On-demand companies are pointing the way to a more promising future, where people have more freedom to choose when and where they work," Travis Kalanick, the founder and former CEO of Uber, wrote in October 2015. "Put simply" he continued, "the future of work is about independence and flexibility." In a certain sense, Kalanick is right. Unlike employees in a spatially fixed worksite (the factory, the office, the distribution centre), rideshare drivers are technically free to choose when they work, where they work and for how long. They are liberated from the constraining rhythms of conventional employment or shift work. But that apparent freedom poses a unique challenge to the platforms' need to provide reliable, "on demand" service to their riders -- and so a driver's freedom has to be aggressively, if subtly, managed. One of the main ways these companies have sought to do this is through the use of gamification.

Simply defined, gamification is the use of game elements -- point-scoring, levels, competition with others, measurable evidence of accomplishment, ratings and rules of play -- in non-game contexts. Games deliver an instantaneous, visceral experience of success and reward, and they are increasingly used in the workplace to promote emotional engagement with the work process, to increase workers' psychological investment in completing otherwise uninspiring tasks, and to influence, or "nudge," workers' behaviour. This is what my weekly feedback summary, my starred ratings and other gamified features of the Lyft app did. There is a growing body of evidence to suggest that gamifying business operations has real, quantifiable effects. Target, the US-based retail giant, reports that gamifying its in-store checkout process has resulted in lower customer wait times and shorter lines. During checkout, a cashier's screen flashes green if items are scanned at an "optimum rate." If the cashier goes too slowly, the screen flashes red. Scores are logged and cashiers are expected to maintain an 88% green rating. In online communities for Target employees, cashiers compare scores, share techniques, and bemoan the game's most challenging obstacles.

134 comments

  1. freakonomics by lkcl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    there's a book about this phenomenon, called freakonomics. it has interesting economics questions like, "why do drug dealers live with their mums?", despite something like a 25% death rate, and the answer turns out to be that they earn LESS money than if they went and worked for macdonalds, but they are attracted to the POSSIBILITY of becoming the "Drug Overlord". the big boss.

    also just as interestingly, the moment they get a serious girlfriend, the researcher found that they quit immediately and... went to work for macdonald's. which leaves me really, really concerned as to why and how lyft and uber drivers are being psychologicall hoodwinked....

    1. Re: freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Whilst simultaneously moving wealth from the local economy to silicon valley.

    2. Re:freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Just like delusional Trump voters who want deregulation because the 'evil gubermint' is trying to tax their money. They'd rather let billionaires have tax cuts than paying a little bit more taxes because they think one day they'll be the rich guys.

    3. Re:freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is equally delusional to think that billionaires don't benefit from a system of open borders where cheap labor can replace the local work force.

    4. Re:freakonomics by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      really concerned as to why and how lyft and uber drivers are being psychologicall hoodwinked....

      If your company is based solely on competition as opposed to collaboration you can screw over anybody. Look at their business model, taxis annoyed people because they were slow, cost too much, unresponsive, heavily regulated and unwilling to upgrade their services.

      Uber used that as their entrance to the market.

      Make the deal sweet at first to attract drivers so that they compete with taxis, sweeten the deal a bit for a while, then boil the frog. Uber's relationship with their drivers is one to one. Making drivers compete with each other means they are never in a position to co-operate with each other to secure a better deal for themselves. I doubt a driver has much contact with other drivers so they are in a prime position to be screwed over with greed and isolation.

      Uber are a nightmare that people haven't woken up to.

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    5. Re:freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt that sample is big enough. While some would quit when they have girlfriends and children, others have severe addiction problems, and so do some of those girlfriends.

    6. Re:freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Won't someone PLEASE think of the rich billionaires??

    7. Re:freakonomics by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Big enough sample ? I don't know. But still it's not about what they all do but what most do significantly more than the rest.

    8. Re: freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the author of that book was on drugs. If you ever end up in prison y find out drug dealing is lucrative. But some dealers may live with their parents to hide their income source. After all, buying homes with cash money raises questions.

    9. Re: freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in isolation, because each rideshare driver looks after his own bottom line...as designed unintentionally idk -- starting with the app!

    10. Re:freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What about the poor billionaires?

    11. Re: freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other day my Uber driver was driving me to the airport. He was assigned a new ride as he was about to drop me off. Then he freaked out saying he forgot to turn it off, because he needs a permit to pick up passengers from the airport. A permit he doesn't have. So he will be fined something like $45 for operating without a license and clearly will be deep in the red.

      Uber/Lyft drivers aren't the brightest bulbs in the box.

    12. Re:freakonomics by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Fuck them, who cares about the poor anyway.

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    13. Re:freakonomics by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      but they are attracted to the POSSIBILITY of becoming the "Drug Overlord". the big boss.

      That's also why a large proportion of the population supports tax cuts that only benefit the top 1%: they consider themselves to be "temporarily embarrassed millionaires".

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    14. Re: freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you need a permit to do this? Is driving near an airport that difficult?

    15. Re:freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uber are a nightmare that people haven't woken up to.

      From a customer's point of view, it's no nightmare at all. Why these people volunteer to drive so cheaply for me, I don't know, but I appreciate their philanthropy.

    16. Re:freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with everything except the frog. That frog thing is a myth.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

    17. Re:freakonomics by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But Trump is a billionaire, and he built a wall. He's putting the ordinary people of the country ahead of his own interests. What a guy!

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    18. Re:freakonomics by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything except the frog. That frog thing is a myth.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

      You are right. I should have used the fist fucking analogy of "slowly stretching the anus wider than a goat.cx picture" which is more accurate in these circumstances.

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    19. Re:freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's goatse
      You're not going to win against the pedants.

    20. Re: freakonomics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's part of the charade called 'security' around airports, e.g. without a permit, a taxi cannot wait at the curb for a fare for the trip back to the city.

  2. "gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You doing "gig economy" means you can't do anything better. Period.

    1. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      You doing "gig economy" means you can't do anything better. Period.

      According to the article many work for less than minimum wage

    2. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which means burnout, which results in how to game the system, which results in cheating and theft and high turnover. Disposable workers == disposable companies == disposable investors == disposable customers, basically management by psychopath, so the system works until it blows up taking the company with it. The gig economy is just sly PR=B$ for piece labour, labour camp labour, you have a job today, you can leave the camp to work and when work is over you return.

      The gig economy you choose when you work but wait a fucking minute you can not choose to live no where, eat nothing, be naked, cold and wet and be shot by law enforcers for being a homeless nut. There is no choice in the gig economy in capitalism, straight up worker exploitation, work for peanuts or starve and die and the people who take home the bulk of the profits, do none of the labour.

      The gig economy to be functional would require a base pay from the government and the gig is extra, otherwise societal collapse, just the way it is.

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    3. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's plenty of well-off people who do these jobs 'for fun', to keep active or just get on with it. (Some even travel the world for work)
      I have a cousin that does a lot of sound engineering, but he still does side-gigs despite a decent income because "I'd be bored fucking stupid if I wasn't doing them"
      He's done all kinds of things like general delivery, specialist delivery (carting Formula 1 cars around Europe), external building work like huts, garages and such.
      Some peoples hobby is Just Getting Shit Done.

      The bigger issue you mention, however, are the vulnerable people that some scummier companies prey on.
      These people get all kinds of abused with these sorts of jobs. From being hired at flat-fee consulting jobs for dodging minimum wages to zero-hour contracts.
      The UK recently tried to make some protections for these people, but it's fallen flat of doing anything, really.
      It's a hard problem to fix. The education system is the reason most of these people got shit out in to society with nothing, that can be fixed easily, but those outside of it for whatever reason (poverty, age, homelessness, etc.) are a much harder issue to tackle.

    4. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. That's why we should feel no guilt what so ever that they struggle, can't afford health insurance or healthcare, ....they'll get sick, run up huge debts, and hopefully, die.
      After all, there's a 1.0 correlation between a persons income and value to society.
      We should al strive to be Fedf Bezos or Bill Gates - they do it right!

    5. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      You doing "gig economy" means you can't do anything better. Period.

      Many with disabilities cannot work a 40-hour week. No one chooses to have a disability.

    6. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When young people will understand, current liberals have wrapped very old socialist idea in nice colorful "technology" sounding wrapper and are selling it as something new. just read the article, this is new idea where all management will be eliminated. It is happening as we speak. Only workers controlled by AI or occasional person and owners. It is sad but Russians succeeded to conquer america, another 20 years and we will have kolkhoz all over us.

    7. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by helllllllloooo · · Score: 1

      Is that some kind of wake up call? I hope not.

    8. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad banks don't spring housing loans for gig workers
      Too bad many unemployment benefits have long waiting periods
      Too bad no emergency housing when you cant pay the rent
      Too bad if you are older and cant operate at speed
      Too bad if an accident impacts earnings -you pay legals.

      Funny how these gig jobs eliminate anyone with a disability - completely.
      Actually a bit like a car sales lot, where 5% of the lowest sellers get fired at the end of the month.

      OMG - they tried this in 1800's knitting Mills,laying railway tracks, tree felling, Banana tallying, coal mines,post offices(going postal?) and of course delivery drivers. More KPI nonsense that is overtly discrimatory. Same old same.
      Ford Car factory also had fun cranking the speed of production lines

      Naturally the measurements are never externally checked for reasonableness.
      I belive Sweden and Norway and possibly France would outlaw such is minimum pay went below some level. Need one say pregnant car drivers will get nothing when they can't work.

    9. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure itâ(TM)s the Rs who want to hear the cops asking âoepapers pleaseâ to anyone who looks âoesuspiciousâ

    10. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Which means burnout, which results in how to game the system, which results in cheating and theft and high turnover. Disposable workers == disposable companies == disposable investors == disposable customers, basically management by psychopath, so the system works until it blows up taking the company with it. The gig economy is just sly PR=B$ for piece labour, labour camp labour, you have a job today, you can leave the camp to work and when work is over you return.

      Brutal, but true. Amazing that they are selling the independent contractor, gig economy bullshit as some sort of "Muh Freedom!" model, a sort of pinnacle of unlimited earnings and livin' the dream.

      These "independent contractors" are just part of the manipulation, the sort of idea that is sold to people that they are temporarily inconvenienced billionaires who will rise like cream to the top.

      How many Uber or Lyft Driver millionaires do we have yet? Unlimited earning potential you know....

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    11. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that one woman who destroyed her eyes to cure her dysphoria did.

    12. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      When young people will understand, current liberals have wrapped very old socialist idea in nice colorful "technology" sounding wrapper and are selling it as something new. just read the article, this is new idea where all management will be eliminated. It is happening as we speak. Only workers controlled by AI or occasional person and owners. It is sad but Russians succeeded to conquer america, another 20 years and we will have kolkhoz all over us.

      Of all the possible criticisms of Uber/the gig economy, the idea that it is a form of backdoor communism is the bizzarest I've ever heard.

      Or is this a troll attempting the old "if palpably deranged people are criticising X, then X may not be so bad after all" gag?

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    13. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      How many Uber or Lyft I wouldn't know; a lot of them are still sleeping in their cars at the parking lot at the mall.

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    14. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      How many Uber or Lyft I wouldn't know; a lot of them are still sleeping in their cars at the parking lot at the mall.

      Let's face it, taxi drivers are not at the top of the food chain, and are pretty easily exploitable.

      But Jeezus on a pogo stick, that's no reason to exploit them. If you have a working person that has to sleep in their car - that's a pretty good indicator that your system isn't working. The independent contractor business started for two reasons - one of the biggest ones was to avoid paying benefits. And one of the biggest reasons for that was not as much the cost, but the rapidly inflating costs were making it impossible to produce a budget. Where my better half worked, they had health insurance triple in cost over a one year period.

      Which is exactly why if I were an employer, I'd be agitating hard for a single payer system. I would now know how to create a budget. Hard to run a profitable business with one of the cost drivers being horribly unstable.

      Bullshit like tripling in cost over one year can destroy any profit you might make, and eliminating healthcare costs you the better employees. Pick your poison.

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    15. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should aspire to be like Bezos and Gates. They do do it right. Look at how many peoples lives are better because of the products/services they created. Not just their own employees, but manufacturers, shippers, consumers. Literally billions of people.

    16. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see what you mean by saying the Russians.
      However, the communism is purely a Judeo-German product.

    17. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you've correctly identified the problem the solution is oversimplified. If you move to a single payer system what happens to all the insurance and intermediary jobs? That is literally millions of jobs that would be lost overnight depending on how you implement the system.

      I agree single payer is the solution, but the proof is difficult to solve without destroying the economy wholesale. The simplest answer is to just expand medicare to cover more and move people. Over the course of 20 years or so you could then arrive at a single payer system. That's just talking about health insurance, that would fix the problems in the healthcare side of it either which you would want to address to make single payer as affordable as possible.

    18. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of which would have happened without literally thousands of other people helping them rise to their positions. They didn't do anywhere near all the work.

    19. Re:"gig economy" == minimum wage by satsuke · · Score: 1

      It means that for some, they'll be able to make OK .. not good .. ok money.

      For people trying to do it full time, forget it.

      By OK money I mean doing it when surge pricing is in effect for Uber, and no other times.

      For the vast majority of gig economy jobs, it means making minimum wage for no benefits.

    20. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      We should aspire to be like Bezos and Gates ..... Look at how many peoples lives are better because of the products/services they created.

      I assume this post was meant in irony.

    21. Re: "gig economy" == minimum wage by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If you move to a single payer system what happens to all the insurance and intermediary jobs?

      Put them through an aptitude test for learning to be glaziers. Take the top 20% and give the rest slingshots.

      Do I have to do all the thinking around here?

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  3. Illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom of employment is an illusion when everyone is blacklisted based on corporate need.

  4. Same reason military hands out medals by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Points and merits are cheaper than hard cash. Duh.

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    1. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you live in Silicon Valley if earning more money (hard cash) is the only goal you have in life.

    2. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nah. There's more important things than hard cash. But silly brownie points or having more ornaments than the average Christmas tree are not among them.

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    3. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by mermeid007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You could make the medals out of solid gold and they still wouldn't pay the debt we owe to a veteran. That's why they are cheap and shiny. To make it obvious that a medal isn't good enough but that we care anyway.

    4. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Private sector companies have been using similar tactics for ages already.
      "You've done a great job, you deserve a reward. We'll give you a new cool job title, but I'm very sorry there's no budget for a raise right now."

    5. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      There's more important things than hard cash. But silly brownie points or having more ornaments than the average Christmas tree are not among them.

      In an environment where everyone has limited options in dress and accessorizing, medals and badges are both a visible sign of personal accomplishment and recognition for those accomplishments. It's also an environment where you don't get raises based on performance, and there are time-in-grade requirements before you can be promoted again which is what gives you the pay raise.

      You can poopoo the value of such things, but that just shows you don't understand the environment or the people who live in it.

    6. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      In an environment where everyone has limited options in dress and accessorizing, medals and badges are both a visible sign of personal accomplishment and recognition for those accomplishments. It's also an environment where you don't get raises based on performance, and there are time-in-grade requirements before you can be promoted again which is what gives you the pay raise.

      You can poopoo the value of such things, but that just shows you don't understand the environment or the people who live in it.

      Interesting. I had several people get promotions over me - which was exactly what you described. These were gender promotions for lack of a better word, getting women promoted as high and fast as possible.

      So technically I was the lowest ranked person in my department. I happened to be paid over 3 times as much as anyone else. Part of our understanding was that I would be compensated in other ways than medals and badges.

      Yeah - some folks like that sort of thing. I personally think that my method of real compensation was a bit smarter. And any of these folks that tried to pull rank on me found out about the realpolitik of the situation.

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    7. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hmm... so, essentially, you say that it's some sort of distinguishing feature in a world where everyone wears the same and has the same?

      So it's pretty much like certain mounts in MMOs that you only get by slaughtering 50,000,000 of a mob and clearing a dungeon on super-heroic?

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    8. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The only thing that comes close to that in our company is that people accept compensation in additional training and certification (which does cost a fortune in itsec, so I guess company and we both are better off if they pay for it). The only titles anyone gives a fuck about in my corner is titles you get from competing courses and certifications. That's the titles we're after. But they ain't cheap.

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    9. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but free parking at the airport for life for some of those medals

    10. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, there's even a pension for one of them.

      That's why to get it you usually have to accomplish a feat that makes living long enough to actually cash in that pension really, really unlikely.

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    11. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      I don't know what they make medals from where you live, but if I melted down my great-grandfather's medal I would have 200€ worth of silver.

    12. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, medals are a bit like coins, they don't make them anymore the way they used to be...

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    13. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I had several people get promotions over me - which was exactly what you described. These were gender promotions for lack of a better word, getting women promoted as high and fast as possible.

      Or perhaps you are just bad at your job.

      So technically I was the lowest ranked person in my department. I happened to be paid over 3 times as much as anyone else.

      Have you seen their paychecks? That is probably just what they told you.

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    14. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I had several people get promotions over me - which was exactly what you described. These were gender promotions for lack of a better word, getting women promoted as high and fast as possible.

      Or perhaps you are just bad at your job.

      Hehe, perhaps.

      So technically I was the lowest ranked person in my department. I happened to be paid over 3 times as much as anyone else.

      Have you seen their paychecks? That is probably just what they told you.

      Seriously, you have to step up your trolling, We all knew what we were all making. People, especially those who are interested in badges and other shiny stuff, would tend to exxagerate what they made.

      The point is, some people are interested in badges, and some of us like our appreciation shown in money.

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    15. Re:Same reason military hands out medals by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Seriously, you have to step up your trolling

      You are right, I'll never match your level of trolling.

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  5. And now I've got the Rush song in my head by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's in Tom Sawyer - he gets the kids to paint a fence for him fer nowt by making them think it's a game.

    Diddit-de-doo, Diddit-de-dooooo, Diddit-de-doo, Diddly diddly diddly diddly doo doo

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    1. Re: And now I've got the Rush song in my head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Thanks for exposing the depths of your illiteracy.

    2. Re: And now I've got the Rush song in my head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love that song! I heard it was so popular they wrote a book about it.

    3. Re: And now I've got the Rush song in my head by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      I think it's in Tom Sawyer - he gets the kids to paint a fence for him fer nowt by making them think it's a game.

      Diddit-de-doo, Diddit-de-dooooo, Diddit-de-doo, Diddly diddly diddly diddly doo doo

      You're thinking of the actual book. Yes, Tom Sawyer does that in the book.

      The Rush song ... well, not really sure what the song thinks the linkage is to the book or its character. Other than the song character being a rebel or something. (And I say that as a big Rush fan.)

    4. Re: And now I've got the Rush song in my head by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Well, the titles the same.

      Iron Maiden's Genghis Khan doesn't say anything about Mongol warlords (or anything else for that matter) in the lyrics, but hearing the name makes me think of it.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  6. Workers are expected to have x% green by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's not gamification, it's micromanagement. It's simply reminding employees that big brother is always watching and don't you dare let your performance flag. If it were not tracked... if management had the decency to let employees motivate themselves that wouldn't be a bad thing. This is evil.
     
    The hidden costs, as rtb61 mentioned, are also real: burnout, high turnover, and theft. I would add to that a huge loss in self-motivated improvement and in innovation. If you boss is riding your tail not only will you do the bare minimum to keep him off but when you see something that can be done better you've already spent all your shits hating your boss and your job. You won't have any to spare for helping others, recommending changes, or other optional, beneficial behaviors.

    1. Re: Workers are expected to have x% green by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll confess it. If I'm being abused at my job, I'll be the first person to find every opportunity to "accidentally" break something. Sabatoge other workers. Create drama for no reason. Basically cause unnecessary cost and problems wherever I have the opportunity. Who cares? I'm already looking for another job at that point. The only place I experienced extreme micromanagement not in for service was at a very large corp as an engineer. I did the absolute bare minimum for months until I got my next job. Dumbasses.

    2. Re:Workers are expected to have x% green by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      I would add to that a huge loss in self-motivated improvement and in innovation. If you boss is riding your tail not only will you do the bare minimum to keep him off but when you see something that can be done better you've already spent all your shits hating your boss and your job. You won't have any to spare for helping others, recommending changes, or other optional, beneficial behaviors.

      There is a word for that: 'Alienation'.

      A lot of what he thought would solve the problem turned out to be wrong, but as wrong as Marx was in prescribing remedies, it seems he was on the ball on diagnosing the problem.

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    3. Re:Workers are expected to have x% green by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not gamification, it's micromanagement.

      Amazon Warehouses would be more efficient if workers ended up with ugly, mismatched clothing with disparate stat bonuses.

  7. quotas suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What makes a game fun is that if you fail, you aren't fired. You can learn from your mistakes, you can take break if you have a hard day, etc. As soon as they say "cashiers are expected to maintain an 88% green rating" all the fun vanishes. Not just fun and games anymore.

    1. Re: quotas suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people have fun with challenging, hard games that have them on edge. Same thing here really.

  8. Gamification can be good by Tranzistors · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The latter example with cashier work shows that gamification is fine, so long as the game goals are reasonably achievable and in alignment with the goals of the employees. I assume most of us want to do a meaningful work, but often the work is globally meaningful, but on a day-to-day level it can seem pointless, because the result is far removed from the worker. For example, programmers hate writing docs and tests, because those things will be used in the future by some unknown people. Even if the programmer can intellectually understand the significance of docs and tests, there is no emotional reward in doing those things, therefore it feels just pointless. No amount of pay raise can increase the meaningfulness of the work, but it can improve tolerance of the meaninglessness.

    I am pretty sure this comment section will have ample of examples on how gamification is used to exploit people, so yeah, there are risks.

    1. Re:Gamification can be good by davide+marney · · Score: 2

      Mod parent up. This can be a very good thing.

      If by "gamification" you mean using awards to instill performance, I give you every sport ever played along with all the performing arts. All performances are live events, they take place in real time, there are no do-overs, no second chances. It is incredibly demanding to get it right every single time. The purpose of the award system is to give the performer real-time progress feedback, without which you will never sustain the highest levels.

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    2. Re:Gamification can be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some elements of gamifications are against the laws. Plenty of examples where being sick takes money out of the employee travel/course funds. This can have adverse effects on psychological health and make employees stressed out due to arbitrary rules and measurements.

      The problems of measurements and gamifications are well-known in that you create incentives to maximize score without actually striving and being relaxed enough to contribute in meaningful ways. Incentive will be to improve meaningless measured values 1-2% rather than taking risks and collaborate to improve bottom line 10-20% and more.

    3. Re: Gamification can be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was going to post a comment disagreeing with you about gamification, but I was afraid it would hurt my karma.

    4. Re:Gamification can be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The purpose of the award system is to give the performer real-time progress feedback, without which you will never sustain the highest levels.

      Let me give you a counter example.

      A few years ago I was at a company which was deploying SharePoint.

      They had all of these participation badges for posting, answering questions, number of posts. The problem is the SharePoint environment was utterly useful, not being used as their primary content management system, and didn't really do much.

      Management felt that if people got badges and awards they'd use it. The problem was, it added little or no value to people's daily lives.

      It was a pretty pathetic thing to behold, a useless system desperately trying to get you to use it by offering shiny baubles, while not actually helping you do your job.

      The guy who was trying to push SharePoint into the organization basically loaded up a partially built system which didn't have 99% of the corporate content (and never would), and turned on every award and badge possible.

      Anybody trying to get high score was literally just wasting their time, because unless someone was going to migrate that vast quantify of content into SharePoint, there wasn't going to be anything useful there.

      Sometimes, gamification is to give you the illusion you're getting something good, and is used to mask that what you're really getting isn't worth a damn.

      In my experience, almost every single system I have seen which used gamification to try to drive adoption failed utterly, because more emphasis was placed on the shiny awards than the actual point of the fucking system.

      The purpose of the reward system is to manipulate you into feeling good about what you're doing, even if what you're doing is dumb and pointless and you're too fucking stupid to realize it.

    5. Re: Gamification can be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > No amount of pay raise can increase the meaningfulness of the work,

      What about instead of a money incentive, a time incentive. Get a 24 hour work week, decent reliable pay. Your meaningless work is cancelled by the meaningful bounty of time doing other things.

    6. Re:Gamification can be good by clawsoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mod parent up.

      Note the irony: Slashdot is gamified discussion. It's one of the pioneers in getting people to provide value in exchange for meaningless-ish points on the Internet, in fact.

    7. Re:Gamification can be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true that it could. You're right. Problem is that those in a position to prevent or set-up such systems are employee-hostile: Their entire job revolves around cutting into that overhead that is "having to pay other people".

      This is why there's so much cynicism on the subject (and plenty of other subjects): People can see the potential positive outcomes of something, but experience consistently shows that in so many cases only the worst, most exploitative, unethical outcomes are actually desired, and far too often the final result will be - perhaps due to a combination with other implemented systems around it - far more abusive than even the naysayers derided as crackpots had warned.

    8. Re:Gamification can be good by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. This can be a very good thing.

      If by "gamification" you mean using awards to instill performance,...

      I would not agree. I've been in jobs with such programs. Variety of shifts alone can mean a great deal of variance between what are technically the same job, giving one better metrics than the other although both are doing all the work given to them. Then the management tend to give such shifts to those they like even if they can't do all the work given to them, and give poor shift to those they don't like even if they are better workers. then there are simply the people who learn how to game the system, which usually means getting better metrics but being less productive.

  9. Satisfaction is more than cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm happy with my salary as an on-site fix-it-all, but I'm much more happy with helping others and gaining their thanks and appreciation.
    I do volunteer work as a skydiving instructor, where I earn nothing but the joy of seeing my studens progress and develop, and it's even more rewarding than my day job. If I could live comfortably without doing anything for a living, I'd still do these things for fun.
    Money has no emotional reward for me, and those who gain emotional reward from money tend to get stuck in addictive behaviours.

  10. Beware the perverse incentives by LostMyAccount · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem with games is that you can create perverse incentives. You couple the game success elements with actual work goals and assume that people motivated to win game points will also wind up achieving the work goals. But if the rewards are tied to the game success elements (points, stars, etc) people often find out how to earn these elements without achieving the work goals.

    1. Re:Beware the perverse incentives by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      Ah... Why you think only the lowest level employees are gamified?

      The next line, team leads, crew heads, etc earn game points by finding cheating team members.

      The floor foremen, shift supervisors earn game points by adjusting the rewards and schemes of the pyramid below them.

      Eventually you find a drummer beating, "Cruise Speed", "Battle Speed" .... Keep increasing the rhythm till only Charles Heston could still be at the oar.

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  11. Gamification is insulting to the intellect by Quakeulf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only those who claim to be smart buy into gamification, while it really is dumbing you down or keeping you dumb, tedious, and an added layer of bloat and management that acts as a deflection of real issues.

    1. Re:Gamification is insulting to the intellect by davide+marney · · Score: 2

      Yeah, who needs a scoring system to play football? That's just bloat.

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    2. Re:Gamification is insulting to the intellect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, who needs a scoring system to play football? That's just bloat.

      yes, so if a player doesn't score, they should be sacked.. because only the score count! any defense player will be out of the game!

  12. There is a saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Spain there is a saying that "you don't play with your food"
    And it's not refered to do dirty things when you eat, but "food" means here the enough money/resources that allows you to live as usual.

    The people don't respond in the same way when "play" (it's no such important, A limited thing in time where you are sparing time) and "serious things".

    Loose a job could mean very hard changes in your life. It's not a play, so make the same level of "pressure" could make the people too much competitive. And yes.. too much is bad. They could completely forget the group, the ethics and the long term planning.

  13. Re: Millennials crying because they suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says the ignorant asshole who blames victims. Stop watching Fox News, it's rotting your brain! Then you'll have more time to work hard at informing yourself about systemic poverty, why it's a govt. policy decision, and why you should get up off your ass and do something about it instead of whining about millennials or whatever they decide to call each generation who've got it worse than the previous ones.

  14. Detractors always assume full-time by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 1, Informative

    Most of the Uber / Lyft drivers I've ridden with over the years do it part-time when they feel like it to make some extra money. These people are absolutely not in bad financial straits -- there's even a large number of older, mostly-retired folks in there who drive to (in part) have something to do. Now, you might be able to make an argument that this negatively affects the traditional taxi industry (to which I say, it's about goddamn time), but the majority of drivers themselves are doing just fine.

  15. Manna by Mr_Blank · · Score: 2

    If you want to read a tidy science fiction on the topic of automation, then I strongly recommend Manna. You can read the story for free at the author's website.

    Manna
    Chapter 1
    by Marshall Brain
    Depending on how you want to think about it, it was funny or inevitable or symbolic that the robotic takeover did not start at MIT, NASA, Microsoft or Ford. It started at a Burger-G restaurant in Cary, NC on May 17. It seemed like such a simple thing at the time, but May 17 marked a pivotal moment in human history.

    Burger-G was a fast food chain that had come out of nowhere starting with its first restaurant in Cary. The Burger-G chain had an attitude and a style that said "hip" and "fun" to a wide swath of the American middle class. The chain was able to grow with surprising speed based on its popularity and the public persona of the young founder, Joe Garcia. Over time, Burger-G grew to 1,000 outlets in the U.S. and showed no signs of slowing down. If the trend continued, Burger-G would soon be one of the "Top 5" fast food restaurants in the U.S.

    The "robot" installed at this first Burger-G restaurant looked nothing like the robots of popular culture. It was not hominid like C-3PO or futuristic like R2-D2 or industrial like an assembly line robot. Instead it was simply a PC sitting in the back corner of the restaurant running a piece of software. The software was called "Manna", version 1.0*.

    1. Re:Manna by jowifi · · Score: 1

      There's already a robot burger maker, so this may not be science fiction for long.

    2. Re:Manna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw you I'd read that years ago and now I'll have those nightmares of working there for weeks again.

  16. Those aren't "dealers" by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    they're mules. They collect money and hand over drugs for the actual dealers. They're more like cashiers than dealers, hence the low pay.

    As for why they pick being a mule over McDonald's, well, every work in fast food? It sucks and it's demeaning. But yeah, when they get a "serious" girlfriend they're stuck trying to earn as much money as they can since "serious girlfriend" in this context usually means pregnant....

    Anyway I've never been a big fan of that book. It's the same one that said crime went down because we legalized abortion.

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    1. Re:Those aren't "dealers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anyway I've never been a big fan of that book. It's the same one that said crime went down because we legalized abortion.

      So? If you wish to refute Freakonomics on abortion and crime, make your argument. Otherwise you're just saying "I don't like that book." I don't like Justin Biever, but realize that noone GAF about that.

    2. Re:Those aren't "dealers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > crime went down

      Well that really does depend on your perspective. Some say abortion is murder, so we would have crime going up.

    3. Re:Those aren't "dealers" by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      > crime went down

      Some say abortion is murder, so we would have crime going up.

      You can always reduce crime rates by removing laws, if you take crime by the lawyer's definition of it being something against the law. You can even reduce the crime rate to zero by not having any laws at all; however it's been tried in the past and it does not work out well. If they removed the law against murder tomorrow for example, I think I'd settle a couple of scores that way, and I'm just one relatively level-tempered person.

    4. Re:Those aren't "dealers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the same one that said crime went down because we legalized abortion

      They probably only said it because it happens to so perfectly match observations. And then when you think about it, it makes a lot of sense and it would be pretty strange if legalizing abortion didn't reduce crime a few decades later.

      Has someone finally found some contrary evidence? If they did find evidence that legalizing abortion didn't actually result in lower crime, that would be exactly the kind of weird, unexpected thing that Freakonomics readers would enjoy. You should share.

    5. Re:Those aren't "dealers" by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      Anyway I've never been a big fan of that book. It's the same one that said crime went down because we legalized abortion.

      And? Crime *is* lower when unwanted children are not born. What's your issue with that correlation?

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    6. Re:Those aren't "dealers" by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I think removing lead from petrol (and maybe other thinks, like pipes & paint) was put forward as a possible alternative explanation, maybe even in the book.

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    7. Re:Those aren't "dealers" by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Goshdiggetydarn it, s/other thinks/other things/

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  17. I already gamified my job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the accomplishments are measured in money earned. I do not need another metric.

  18. Tech enslavement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The things we should really fear from tech are not direct future threats like "killer-AI", but very slow and deliberate enslavement through technology. Watched, monitored and measured every minute of the day for conformance, with slow exclusion or impoverishment hanging threateningly over us.

  19. cashiers lieing to up sell extended warranty's is by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    cashiers lieing to up sell extended warranty's is an bad thing.

  20. Must be written by a cheap bastard by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    That doesn't tip properly. If a driver is doing a great job most people will tip. Hell I am a cheap bastard but even I believe in tipping well for good service.

  21. There are other apps out there ....! by gDLL · · Score: 1

    You do know there are other apps out there besides uber, competition works just fine. If you don't like Uber then don't use them, I have nothing against them but i prefer the other guys. If you don't have competition then there are other questions you should be asking.

  22. Penalized for being friendly... by rnturn · · Score: 1

    Some executive needs to be taken 'round back and beaten. Severely.

    ``Target, the US-based retail giant, reports that gamifying its in-store checkout process has resulted in lower customer wait times and shorter lines. During checkout, a cashier's screen flashes green if items are scanned at an "optimum rate." If the cashier goes too slowly, the screen flashes red. Scores are logged and cashiers are expected to maintain an 88% green rating. In online communities for Target employees, cashiers compare scores, share techniques, and bemoan the game's most challenging obstacles.''

    How nice that Target's goal is to make the shopping experience as impersonal as possible. ``Don't engage the customer in idle chit chat, talk about the weather, etc... And definitely, don't make eye-contact... that'll slow down your scanning. You'll be penalized.'' Is this how you planned on winning back customers after releasing all that customer data a few years ago? Did you hire the asshat that developed the plan to limit poultry inspectors to only a second or so to inspect a chicken for signs of disease?

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  23. Makes Sense, But Rent is Due On the 1st by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    If one can avoid paying their bills, then they can pick and choose, else homeless is unavoidable

    1. Re:Makes Sense, But Rent is Due On the 1st by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If one can avoid paying their bills, then they can pick and choose, else homeless is unavoidable

      You know, the gig economy makes that more or less inevitable anyway, people just don't realize it.

      See, you're not earning enough to cover your depreciation, maintenance, and operation of your vehicle.

      Driving for Uber might let you play a shell game this month, but when you have a car repair, or have to buy a new car ... you will have squandered your capital investment for a few pennies on the dollar. Literally you will have used it up for someone else's gain.

      That's the real risk of the gig economy, is the corporations are extracting the value from your capital investment instead of having to make their own. They are literally making their profits at your expense because you are subsidizing their business model .. you just don't realize it.

      Meanwhile you're just giving yourself the illusion you're keeping your head above water, when what you're really doing is setting the stage for your own economic collapse.

      Every dollar Uber and these other companies make is taken out of the pockets of the expendable people who believe they're making a few extra bucks, but from an accounting perspective, you are basically burning up the lifespan of your property for pennies while the companies walk away with fists full of dollars. If you realized the true costs here, you'd be running away from these gig jobs.

      Uber is a fucking ponzi scheme, where the endless churn of drivers are the suckers.

  24. Target waits by reanjr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that why every time I go to Target, the cashier spends 30 seconds collecting my purchases before scanning anything? Gamification is fucking poisonous.

  25. HA HA.. Stupid Poors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what a slave-wage economy looks like. They obviously hate us for our freedumbs !

  26. Lyft is amusing -- treats drivers like children by satsuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I drove for Lyft for a short period of time .. interesting to say the least.

    At least they are relying on their drivers desire to do a better job by constantly sending text messages, emails, in app popups to try and get drivers to never decline a trip, and chastising them with "it's better for the community" messages when they don't take trips or their ratings go down.

    That's all well and good,except it flies in the face of the reality of driving for them, that is, only accepting trips that are close, only working high demand areas, only working when there's a fare multiplier in effect.

    e.g. what's good for the company isn't necessarily good for the driver .. she is not an employee, yet they expect her to act like one.

  27. There are other apps out there ....! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The OP was speaking from the driver's POV, not the rider

  28. Gamification? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Somebody please tell me how to gamify dating. The methods I'm currently using aren't working, I never get a high score!

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    1. Re:Gamification? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Somebody please tell me how to gamify dating.

      LOL, well, you have to offer some kind of reward/incentive and the people you're trying to date have to want to collect that reward (as in, it has to have value and appeal for them).

      Generally speaking, short of cash money and shady ladies, there aren't a lot of situations that gamification can be adapted to your dating life if you're a guy.

      To the average woman, your milkshake simply isn't going to bring the girls to the yard so to speak, and you lack the ability to motivate them otherwise.

      If I say to a woman "hey, buy me a beer and I'll show you my junk", I'm going to get an "eww, go away creep" ... a woman comes up to me and says "hey, buy me a beer and I'll show you my tits", and I'm going to say "bartender, something for the lady".

      You'll notice the second option is almost exactly how strip clubs work.

    2. Re: Gamification? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They say a bad workman blames his tools, in your case that might actually be the problem.

    3. Re: Gamification? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      "Look at those hands, are they small hands? And, he referred to my hands -- 'if they're small, something else must be small.' I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee!"

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  29. Smart Uber Drivers do very well (In Ottawa) by FeelGood314 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The driver I had a few weeks ago had an electric car, he only drives a peak price times and knows which parts of the city to hang out in. He tracks everything on his lap top in Google docs and shares it with his group of friends. He works a little more than 35 hours a week but that work starts the moment he leaves his home. He starts slightly earlier than most commuters and ends later but has two long breaks in the day and is home when his kids finish school. As a new immigrant to Canada his profit was over 5k/month.

  30. We privatize the gains and socialize the losses by deodiaus2 · · Score: 1

    Just look at what happened during the 2007 TARP program. The US government was bought off to take toxic assets off banks hands and hand them over to the tax payer. The loans to the banks were made a ridiculous rate. Basically, if you believe in capitalism, then the banks should have sold off stocks based on market demand. Not some artificial price agreed upon by bankers and government officials. Even the loans given to "help out delinquent" taxpayers were done not to keep the person in his home, but to keep the banks receiving cash flow. If the government was interested in helping out the people, then the loans should have gone to the individual, who might decide to dump his mortgage and pay rent elsewhere. The law is full of all sorts of deals where rich can take over property via "imminent domain" laws, but these don't work the other way around.
    The same thing happens with bankruptcy court. Big companies with strong ties to government get time to reorganize their debts and get out of unfavorable contracts.

  31. bury the lede by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pay is so low and unpredictable, they must always be working

  32. Re:Its a sign of a matriarchal society. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please don't try to inject your MGTOW bullshit here. Thanks!

  33. It's SERVANT economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes it helps to avoid euphemisms, and this is one of those cases.

    People tethered to remote machines for their instructions and having to prostutute their human-ness by being 'nice' to many random strangers are SERVANTS.If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's not a pony.

  34. Gamification by Archfeld · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about they start dropping some loot ? I've always said the carrot works better than the stick.

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  35. Just like Stack Exchange... by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    with the +5 or +10 for upvotes for a good question/answer, along with badges and additional privileges when you cross various rep levels (allowing you to do even more work for Stack Exchange for free).