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US Asks Foreign Allies To Avoid Huawei (cnet.com)
The US government is reportedly trying to persuade its foreign allies' wireless and internet providers to avoid Huawei equipment. From a report: Officials have spoken to their counterparts and telecom bosses in Germany, Italy, Japan and other friendly countries where the Chinese company's equipment is already in use, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing unnamed sources. The US is reportedly particularly worried about the use of Huawei equipment in countries with American military bases, since most nonsensitive communication travels via commercial networks, and it's concerned about Chinese meddling.
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My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
If people use Huawei, the NSA-Backdoors (e.g. Cisco) are not present! They cannot have that...
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
USA asks countries to only use NSA backdoored equipment.
For most users the difference between American or Chinese backdoors in their hardware means jack shit!
This equipment does not have the preferred NSA back doors installed and takes too long to decrypt.
I'm from Canada and I use a Google Pixel phone. My privacy is protected!
Will $CURRENT_YEAR be the year of the Linux Desktop?
Anything the chinese can do with Hauwei they can do with google apps.
I have a Huawei phone, so does this moean the NSA can't read my data? Bummer.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
This is complete and utter bullshit, because Trump has decided America has no foreign allies.
Tell you what, we don't care what the US says any more, so stop trying to dictate to us and fuck off.
Signed, everybody-but-America-first because we don't give a fuck about what you want.
Allies my fucking ass, Trump has pretty much stated there is no such thing. And, no, we're not just going to forgive and forget this time.
Even if we assume that the Chinese have a backdoor into that equipment, it's better than the NSA/GCHQ having a backdoor into it.
I really have to point this out: the Chinese government are really NOT the good guys.
Yeah, the slashdot echo chamber says over and over "NSA bad!", but, really, learn something about what the Chinese government is doing to see some serious repression.
It's easy to say "we are concerned about huawei".
You know what would instantly cause people to stop using it?
Telling us what exact vulnerabilities, backdoors, and spying features are in there and we can confirm and stop using.
Without that your requests are useless.
If the US government has information that Huawei is nefarious, why not present the evidence? Instead, we must trust the say-so of an organization that asserts the right to snoop on it's own citizens, to drone-strike them without trial, and to prosecute non-US whistleblowers.
I realize that the Chinese are not innocent, but from the point of view of an American they are the lesser of two evils.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
Because that way the US can still spy on you, because you're not really our ally, you're just someone we're currently benefitting from working with, but we'll drop you as soon as we can.
I understand other nations have asked the US to cooperate in other affairs, being rebuked. Now comes the US asking for cooperation, I wonder how that will go?
Every time I go online some American company has a script running in the background. Ublock orgin says that this very page has at least 6 third party script. I'm not bothered by the Chinese when Americans are doing it so blatantly and getting away with it.
Chinese meddling.
For all the things that are terrible about the USA, they don't compare with the evil of the Chinese.
Make a list of pros and cons, please.
Consider human rights, economics, showing friendship in bad times and a sense of fair play in the world. The USA isn't perfect, but do you have **any** doubt who would show up in a time of need?
As for the warnings against Huawei, they have been caught multiple times sending data back to China and claiming they don't.
With US equipment makers, there is a public fight against the USGovt overreaching. If you are outside the USA, it is probably better. We inside only have 1 method to fight unknown, spying, and that is strong encryption at all levels. Our huge tech companies understand how important this is and can easily sway public opinion using their media power to prevent new laws. The US also has a judicial system that can protect us AND the world from the idiot in charge for the next 2 yrs. The world has seen that with IiC attempts to override current immigration laws with executive orders.
Inside the USGovt there are many good people. These warnings are coming from that group, not the group under the IiC trying to make economic difficulties for China and Xi (the DiC).
BTW, I own a Huawei smartphone. Got it for $99 in 2017 for a $200 phone. Wiped the preinstalled OS and replaced it. I won't be buying any more Huawei equipment. They've decided to prevent unlocking their boot loader. I just don't trust the company. Previously, I had a Google Nexus phone. Won't be buying anything from Google either after they dropped support 3+ year before the hardware would be out of date. I just don't trust google.
If these countries wanted to avoid meddling by foreign powers, they might start with throwing out the US military bases.
Saudi arabia, North Korea?
Huawei and their Kirin SOC's are awesome. I plan to buy a SBC built with SOC similar to their MATE 20 Pro for Linux when they become available.
Consumer freedoms are hampered by listening to all this USA economic intervention. The small guys lose in this scenario with less product variety. No. I won't accept this. Canada should not heed to this request.
Have gnu, will travel.
You assume that US government is unable to spy you using Chinese hardware backdoors. Not a valid assumption.
If (when) there are backdoors in your firewall then you will be spied upon by all the players including criminals looking for credit card info and extortion material.
Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black, or is it the other way around?
...there are PLENTY of Darkhat Youtube videos out there that will tell you in DETAIL how to do it, just with a little patience and 2 hours on your hands, you can do it to your OWN PHONE PLEASE just to get the idea of you being "protected" by a particular country out of your head, if you REALLY want to know - that is.
Anyway, I have a lot of smartphones, and I got the Huawei Pro 20 for the Camera, but what surprises me is how snappy it is in comparison to all the other phones, to me - that indicates less bloatware, and less processes bogging down the phone. I can have mine on 3 months in a row without the need to restart it, and it's still insanely snappy and smooth, can't say that for any other phone I've used, it even reports if there's a process somewhere that is drawing too much power during the time the particular process isn't being used for something I use, very nifty feature.
So this is just Government FUD. I love Murican's with all of my heart, they're an open minded people, who gladly gives more than they can afford (I've been there so many times), but their government - oh boy... something needs to happen there, fast.
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
Everyone still remembers the information about NSA installing spyware on Cisco routers, right? Maybe sales and thus information from such have strangely decreased? So let's call an ad-campaign!
Pics or it didn't happen.
To people they are trying to impress or pretend they are homey to, particularly Europeans and sometimes Japanese/Chinese.
Being an American I can tell you it changes very quickly if they know your politics, or can become condescending, or outright racist if you are part of the 'pariah groups of the decade'.
Try being openly gay, pregnant out of wedlock, black, native american, or a variety of other things and see who is genuine and helpful and who is doing it for ulterior reasons. Hint: a lot is far more ugly than it seems as a semi-oblivious tourist/citizen.
- A formerly oblivious citizen whose optimism has transitioned to pessimism and cynicism through years of experience.
I realize that the Chinese are not innocent, but from the point of view of an American they are the lesser of two evils.
Even if that's true, why in the world would you think that having china up in your business would keep the US govt out? Your nihlist scenario doesn't add up. The evil US govt is going to be spying on you anyway, adding china to the mix just adds more evil. That is not a win for you.
Know who is looking and why.
Got skilled scientists and lots of new patents? Winning international contracts with real innovation and actual skill? Can your company win a bid on price and quality?
Got smart staff who can out think the global competition as they got promoted on merit?
Selling dual use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... products globally?
Understand what the NSA, GCHQ, Chain, EU wants from deep in your electronic networks.
Have nothing of future interest on your internet facing networks other than existing business products and services, support.
Have your vital meetings away from all consumer electronic devices with secret long term meeting records kept on paper.
When its on a network it can't just be copied out.
When different nations security services can not get your company plans electronically they will try in person.
Place a camera near some secure paper "files" and see who shows an interest on getting access at different times.
Secure your offices from walk in spying attempts like in person penetration testing.
Look into the political backgrounds of all staff to see who would talk to another nations spy agencies due to faith, cult, citizenship, friendship, politics, debt, lifestyle.
Don't buy products/services and from brands known to have backdoors. If one nations security services have the network keys so do other nations and business competitors.
Dont let strange NGO workers, charity workers, new best friends wonder around your secure buildings.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
... as opposed to the last year or so when it's been "Threats to National Security" for daring to make cars, steel, and aluminum... This feels like the guy who just spent the last 2 hours drunkenly and loudly cursing out his girlfriend at the bar and falsely claiming she cheated on him storming off and getting pulled over by the cops for DUI and then calling the same girlfriend to come bail him out...
If there is one thing that convinces governments to collude, it is the risk of their citizens rising up when they realize where the power actually lies.
China is worried about it, and so is the powers that be in the US (not the Deep State that a lot of 'Republicans' are parroting, but the real and bipartisan big money and 'national security' apparatus that has grown beyond its mandates and the law.) When push comes to shove it is very likely you will see these two groups sharing information on their consumer products to more effectively spy on their own citizens (or if legal concerns come into play, having the other side spy for them.) At that point the circle of surveillance will be complete and the major first world countries will all have their citizenry under control, even as they plot and backstab and backdoor each other's non-civilian infrastructure in an attempt to gain a little more of the pie for 'their team' amongst the aristocrats, merchant princes, and party leaderships.
If you are a spy or are committing crimes in a domestic nation and you do not mind the idea of being blown by a nuke, then go with the Chinese stuff.
OTOH, if that does not apply to you, you can get networking gear from America, Canada, Spain, Germany, France, Australia, Japan, S. Korea, etc.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
What is the difference between a Chinese company and an American company that manufactures in China? It seems like either can have a Chinese backdoor. But I suppose it's easier for the NSA to put a backdoor into an American company's product.
If I'm in Australia and buy the wrong brand of router, America will nuke me?
IFF they have hard evidence of your being a criminal
Your what now?
In fact, unless they have a warrant, they can not do anything.
You may want to look up "parallel construction". Use which ever Russian search engine gives you the best results.
Gotta help out a fellow troll.
America's version - Hey it looks like your brother is getting married, would be a shame if a drone strike took out the wedding wouldn't it. Yes OK, what can I do to help?
> The US is reportedly particularly worried about the use of Huawei equipment in countries with American military bases, since most ***nonsensitive*** communication travels via commercial networks,
If it's non-sensitive, who gives a rat's rear-end *who* knows about it?
My main issue with recommendations from the US is that they appear to have lost all credibility in preferring income from arms sales over justice for murdered journos. I think the greatest political idea in the US is the two-term limits for presidents, that way at least you can limit damage from mentally deficient, woman-hating a*seholes :-)
America is 10 times more polluting than Germany.
America is worse than the whole EU added together. Grow a brain or something moron.
The NSA can not touch a single American
Parallel construction
Looks like you didn't get a chance to search for it yet. Or more likely you didn't like what you found so pretend it doesn't exist.
Bet you have never even heard of the term "anonymous tip" either. Being such the naive fool that you so clearly are.
They are NOT allowed to do that.
Oh I'm sure that stops them...
LOL you're an idiot.
What third party country do the Chinese use when they want someone disappeared?
Guess it's still better than America's bestest buddies the Saudi's who just murder them when they become inconvenient.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras
In a statement issued on Sunday night after the latest revelations aired in Brazil, the US director of national intelligence, James Clapper, said: "It is not a secret that the intelligence community collects information about economic and financial matters, and terrorist financing.
"We collect this information for many important reasons: for one, it could provide the United States and our allies early warning of international financial crises which could negatively impact the global economy. It also could provide insight into other countries' economic policy or behavior which could affect global markets."
The fucking director admitted they use it for 'economic' reasons.
But he again denied this amounted to industrial espionage. "What we do not do, as we have said many times, is use our foreign intelligence capabilities to steal the trade secrets of foreign companies on behalf of – or give intelligence we collect to – US companies to enhance their international competitiveness or increase their bottom line."
NSA is not dealing with industrial espionage. They are looking to find who is funding terrorists, or who is making secret deals with other nations, such as petrobras quietly making deals with both China and North Korea to sell them oil. Petrobras wanted to keep that quiet, but NSA DID find it out. And yes, NSA will want to know when a nationally owned company makes deals with both China/North Korea and then tries to keep it quiet. But that is not trade secrets. Those are secrets that were obviously ordered by the Brazilian president.
So no, the fucking director backed up windy.