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AI Mistakes Ad On a Bus For an Actual CEO, Then Publicly Shames Them For 'Jaywalking' (scmp.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the South China Morning Post: Since last year, many Chinese cities have cracked down on jaywalking by investing in facial recognition systems and AI-powered surveillance cameras. Jaywalkers are identified and shamed by displaying their photographs on large public screens... Developments are also underway to engage the country's mobile network operators and social media platforms, such as Tencent Holdings' WeChat and Sina Weibo, to establish a system in which offenders will receive personal text messages as soon as they are caught violating traffic rules....

Making a compelling case for change is the recent experience of Dong Mingzhu, chairwoman of China's biggest maker of air conditioners Gree Electric Appliances, who found her face splashed on a huge screen erected along a street in the port city of Ningbo... That artificial intelligence-backed surveillance system, however, erred in capturing Dong's image on Wednesday from an advertisement on the side of a moving bus. The traffic police in Ningbo, a city in the eastern coastal province of Zhejiang, were quick to recognise the mistake, writing in a post on microblog Sina Weibo on Wednesday that it had deleted the snapshot. It also said the surveillance system would be completely upgraded to cut incidents of false recognition in future.

The article says the mistakenly-accused CEO's company later thanked the traffic police for their hard work, and "called on people to obey traffic rules to keep the streets safe."

"The Chinese government is currently working to combine the operations of more than 170 million public security cameras to strengthen its surveillance network's ability to track and monitor the country's 1.4 billion citizens. Research firm IHS Markit has estimated that the number of surveillance cameras in China could reach 450 million by 2020."

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  1. It's so obvious by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article says the mistakenly-accused CEO's company later thanked the traffic police for their hard work, and "called on people to obey traffic rules to keep the streets safe."

    And all along I thought we couldn't have it both ways.

    1. Re:It's so obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother

    2. Re:It's so obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The traffic police in Ningbo, a city in the eastern coastal province of Zhejiang, were quick to recognise the mistake, writing in a post on microblog Sina Weibo on Wednesday that it had deleted the snapshot.

      That's not good enough. They need to issue a sincere public apology and monetary compensation for THEIR fuck up.

    3. Re:It's so obvious by Askmum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know that you're in a police state when you have to thank the police for their good work and in the process add a totally mindless "obey the rules" to it too.

    4. Re:It's so obvious by hai_Priesty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And also thanking the police state for making you "right" again quickly after they wronged you with no due process.

    5. Re:It's so obvious by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      You know that you're in a police state when you have to thank the police for their good work and in the process add a totally mindless "obey the rules" to it too.

      Actually you know you're not in a bat shit blame and sue crazy state when a problem arises, is solved quickly, and no one claims that they deserve mountains of money for their "finanical damages" errr I mean hurt feelings.

  2. D'uh by gijoel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article says the mistakenly-accused CEO's company later thanked the traffic police for their hard work, and "called on people to obey traffic rules to keep the streets safe."

    Cause your going to publicly chew out petty public officials for their half arse algorithms in China, are you? We've all been worried about 1984, when we should have been worried about Brazil.

    1. Re:D'uh by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      The article says the mistakenly-accused CEO's company later thanked the traffic police for their hard work, and "called on people to obey traffic rules to keep the streets safe."

      Cause your going to publicly chew out petty public officials for their half arse algorithms in China, are you? We've all been worried about 1984, when we should have been worried about Brazil.

      Brazil? Hell no, China's going full on Black Mirror

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  3. Re:Ratio of cameras to citizens by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right now there is one camera for every ten citizens.

    I was in Shanghai last month, and I saw a camera about every 100m or so. That might have been one for every 10 pedestrians on the street, but no where near one for every 10 people in the city.

    Anyway, I always though that China dealt with jaywalkers by making it legal for motorists to run over them. Even in a marked cross walk, you are often risking your life in Shanghai traffic.

  4. Jaywalking ? by dargaud · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In Europe we simply call it crossing the road, there's not even a word for it in the languages I know. Why do americans and chinese criminalise jaywalking ? WTF do they think is wrong with simply crossing a road when no cars are present ? I don't get it.

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    1. Re:Jaywalking ? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Europe we simply call it crossing the road, there's not even a word for it in the languages I know. Why do americans and chinese criminalise jaywalking ? WTF do they think is wrong with simply crossing a road when no cars are present ? I don't get it.

      Germany, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Serbia and Slovakia has rules against jaywalking too. But at least in Germany the fine is really symbolic, like 5-10 euro where the cop has to watch you cross and be annoyed enough about it to fine you. It's a cultural thing about rules, you wouldn't ignore a red light in a car because the coast is clear so why is the red man different? If it's there, use it. If it's there, wait for your turn. Don't set a bad example for the kids scurrying across the street at the smallest gap in traffic. It's also not so symbolic when it comes to division of fault and whether something was just an accident or reckless driving, that you were jaywalking counts against you even though the driver has a general obligation - a green light is not a license to ram. Though I prefer our system where we focus on saying it's allowed and focus on making everyone cross safely instead. But both systems works quite well.

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    2. Re:Jaywalking ? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Much of Europe does have laws against it. It's more a matter of enforcement: Only in America (And apparently China) do police routinely issue citations or occasional arrests.

      One criticism of jaywalking laws in the US is that the crime is so common, enforcement depends largely on if the police nearby 'don't like the look of you.' Somewhat unsurprisingly, this often seems to come down to race - a very brief glance at statistics shows a suspiciously high percentage of jaywalking tickets go to blacks.

    3. Re:Jaywalking ? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 3, Informative

      Watch this short Youtube video of Adam ruins Everything. TL,DW: car manufactures made up "jaywalking" to clear the streets in the US of pedestrians and remove liability.

      At least in China they aren't using drones to hunt down "criminal street users" yet. YET.

    4. Re:Jaywalking ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It has to do with the history of how societies deal with homelessness and property in general. In the US, UK and Asia people without property are slaves and criminals and it's expressed through crimes like loitering, jaywalking, squatting and panhandling as well as picketing.

      To give an example, in China, people who lost their homes during a conflict would march to the palace and setup tents demanding lands and homes in recompense. The palace couldn't just send soldiers to kill them (well, most of the time) since the social contract did in fact required the Emperor to provide for the people in those circumstances so they just expanded the palace court and made it The Forbidden City where only the royal family and its aid may enter. Eventually the new normal became that you're not allowed to request anything from the government without going through official, non-transparent channels which is why the Chinese government doesn't understand why everyone is so angry with them when they run tanks over demonstrators.

      The US went through different steps as it criminalized how Native Americans migrated and didn't take permanent residence. Then when the slaves were "freed" they made a lot of laws criminalizing homelessness to make it hard for the blacks to leave to the cities. Then around the industrial revolution people were becoming homeless and unemployed and were picketing government offices and business so that had to have been made illegal too... All the way to the 60s where they started shooting down college students who were demonstrating against the war that sent their generation to die for a cause not their own.

      In Europe it was pretty much headed the same direction until WW2 rendered huge parts of the population homeless and jobless so the laws and social norms had to have been loosen. Not to worry though. With the Muslim immigrants, Europe is heading back on track and is already making new laws to legalize the very existence of the under-classes.

      TL;DR: Give it time. You'll have it too.

    5. Re:Jaywalking ? by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      you wouldn't ignore a red light in a car because the coast is clear

      Ever been to France or Italy? They ignore them whether the coast is clear or not.

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  5. Good Lord by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You'd think the AI would have figured out no one has a 5-foot-tall head?

    If it's that primitive, what's to stop Chinese citizens to walk around with photographs of Mao Zedong hanging in front of their faces? It might be amusing to see the reputation score of the late, great Chairman sinking into the toilet.

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    1. Re:Good Lord by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Typical primitive machine learning, it doesn't "figure out" anything. It goes like "Pixels... pixels... pixels.... oh! I have seen that arrangement of pixels before, looks like a 'face', better have a closer look."

      So they train it to ignore 5 foot tall faces. Then it will catch the face of a motorist making a U turn.

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    2. Re:Good Lord by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just carry a life size poster of chairman Xi Jinping with you wherever you go. Of course only to show your support and loyalty to The Party.

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  6. New business opportunity by prefec2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We should sell t shirts and jackets with Xi's face on them. Even better provide a printing service for photos on clothing so people can select their enemies as age for the shirts.

    1. Re:New business opportunity by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      the getaway could be quick.

      It better be. Here, such shenanigans might earn you at worst a trip to the police stations where the cops will turn you out after a coffee and a brief interview. In China... hope you like breaking rocks for a living.

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  7. Re:Ratio of cameras to citizens by Calydor · · Score: 2

    You seem to misunderstand what 'plausible fact' is. It doesn't sound very plausible that killing other civilians within your own country would ever be permitted anywhere. Instead it sounds like hyperbole, which is exactly what it is.

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  8. Obviously not true by aberglas · · Score: 2

    Facial recognition to confirm an identity, or pick one out of small sample is commonplace. But to be able to identify a face and pick out one in a billion people is way beyond software ability. It is also way beyond human capability. In a billion people, there will be thousands that look almost identical.

    For the facial recognition to work, it needs to know who is nearby. Not difficult when everyone carries a mobile phone. But it is unlikely that the CEO was on the bus.

    For things like passport control into Australia, the system has people stand in an exact spot, with good lighting, and look at a particular point. Quite different from a random image from people walking on a road.

    If they did have some magic software that really could pick out one in a billion, then it would not be fooled by a bus!

    That said, the Chinese internal surveillance system is very frightening.

  9. It is not funny to make fun of Xi by aberglas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No Chinese would dream of that. Probably would not send them in jail, but would get the marked down badly in social credit. And maybe a fine. Certainly expulsion from the Communist party if a member.

    China is not a joke. That is why people self-censor very carefully. The risks and penalties are everywhere.

  10. Fascist China by nagora · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where, when the state causes you harm you have to thank them or find yourself checking in your "organ donor card" early.

    Don't support, buy from, sell to, or tolerate China.

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    1. Re:Fascist China by nagora · · Score: 3

      I didn't actually say that, although what you say is unfortunately true.

      China, however, takes it to a new level where the subjects of the Government are reduced to the level of slaves who must publicly thank their masters for a beating because it is supposedly good for their morality.

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  11. Still in beta by philmarcracken · · Score: 2

    Thats a horrible error since it completely ignored the more serious charge of stealing a bus.

  12. she was lucky by sad_ · · Score: 2

    being a big CEO, she was lucky to get her picture removed quickly by the police.
    i wonder how much success the average chinese person would have in a case like this.

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  13. Re:Ratio of cameras to citizens by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was in Shanghai last month, and I saw a camera about every 100m or so. That might have been one for every 10 pedestrians on the street, but no where near one for every 10 people in the city.

    Yup, those were the cameras you saw. You might also ponder whether the biggest city in the world is a representative sample. (And that's not even counting all the smart phones.)

    But the important thing is to keep saying positive things about China and it's government, assuming you wan't to keep visiting. You know they're reading your posts, and you know they know who you are.

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  14. Life is hard, find someone to blame. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Life is getting harder globally so we are all collectively finding someone to blame.
    We see this with Brexit, Donald Trump, Increased Chinese hunting of subversives, rise in support for terrorism, racism, and nationalism...
    We are not looking to ourselves to say to yourself "What am I, doing that are making things worse, which I can fix." We are looking at others say "They the others are making things worse" and actively try to make their lives more difficult. While they see you making their lives difficult and equate you the "other" is the cause of all the problems.

    This creates a viscous cycle, that makes things worse, because everyone is blaming everyone else for their troubles, and making the others lives more difficult.

    The only solution now takes a lot more energy and effort is to be introspective and actively try to break the cycle.

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  15. Only in an Asian nation... by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    Only in an Asian nation would publicly shaming someone work. In a western culture someone would just wave smile and go their merry way. Or even better they would be a corporate 'influencer' and make an extra $ off the exposure. Look at me ! I'm on TV.

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