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Facebook Watch, a YouTube Competitor, is Pivoting To Older Audiences as Teens Tune Out and Publishers Balk (cnbc.com)

As Facebook struggles to find an audience for its YouTube competitor, Watch, the company has been talking to some media companies about focusing its efforts on audiences 30 years and older instead of teens and younger millennials. From a report: The move signals more troubles for Facebook's video ambitions. Expansion in video, messaging, and Stories are key for the future of Facebook, CEO Mark Zuckerberg said during a call with analysts in October.

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  1. Facebook has this? by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Funny

    Facebook has a youtube competitor? First time I've heard of it. Then again, that might be part of the problem. That, and its facebook.

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    1. Re:Facebook has this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what I was wondering.
      When the fuck did they announce this?
      Great job, Facebook. Great job.
      You are ALMOST as bad as Google at advertising their own crap.

      Mind you, not what I think I would want to watch on Facebook.
      Their current interface for viewing media (be it pictures or video) is SHIT.
      The older interface where it loaded ONLY the thing you wanted was vastly superior. Now you need to wait for a bunch of background crap to load EVERY SINGLE TIME. What a pointless "improvement".
      I'll use it when they stop hiring programmers that have upwards of 6 weeks experience.

    2. Re: Facebook has this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol same here. Did they just announce it?

      I hope it catches on, though. I have a few Facebook stocks i'd like to ditch..

    3. Re:Facebook has this? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Facebook has a youtube competitor? First time I've heard of it. Then again, that might be part of the problem. That, and its facebook.

      It's always hard to topple a dominant player that has attained critical mass.

      Google Plus tried to be facebook. Failed.
      Facebook tried to be YouTube. Failed.

      There is just too much content already on the opposite platform, unless there is a compelling reason for people to switch, they won't.

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    4. Re:Facebook has this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I noticed it on the sidebar for a while, however it was all a bunch of SJW crap so I never clicked on them.

    5. Re:Facebook has this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually heard about for the first time last night. We casted a video from facebook to our Shield and a screen talking about a Facebook Watch app showed up after the video played.

    6. Re: Facebook has this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twitch is far better for catching live streaming stuff though. If You like watching everything from game play throughs to chess championship (go Caruana!) to Bob Ross reruns or even music live A Couple Streams, it is hands down way better than Youtube.

      In fact it has gotten so bad for "creators" on YouTube that YouTube has all but lost most of theit non major users. They have a growing reputation of putting advertisers first and everything else second. That is from Google's pressure. It shows across the board how bad it has gotten for all Google products (you have no right to privacy nor avoiding ads according to them, and people are rightly saying feck that. People who know what is actually happening. So "young" people who see YouTube bending over backwards for Logan Paul for his sub count when they would have banned anyone else with less. Google has become evil. Almost as evil as Facebook. And it is making YouTube and Android evil as well.)

      And You know what? People who give them a pass deserve to have their data stolen and passed around to all the criminal ID theft websites on the web. They collected it and have a duty to protect it even if it is "anonymized" bit nof really anonymized...

    7. Re:Facebook has this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Korea only old people use Facebook Watch.

    8. Re:Facebook has this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuckerberg is out of new ideas so is just having the company clone every feature from every other website of note.

    9. Re:Facebook has this? by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >" Facebook has a youtube competitor? First time I've heard of it. Then again, that might be part of the problem. That, and its facebook."

      +1 Never heard of it.

      And it is guaranteed to be a failure if, like everything else Facebook, you need to "log in" to watch anything. At least with YouTube, you can watch almost anything you want, without a login, and even anonymously. That is a HUGE advantage that I can't see Facebook matching.... ever.

      Some Facebook users already send me links to things on Facebook, which I cannot see because I have never and will never have a Facebook login. I usually just tell them they need to share things that aren't locked up in some anti-privacy vault! Fortunately, thus far, I have yet for there to be anything important enough for me to care in the least that I can't get to whatever it was.

    10. Re:Facebook has this? by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Facebook has a youtube competitor? First time I've heard of it. Then again, that might be part of the problem. That, and its facebook.

      Came here to say the same thing. I have a FB account that I actually check once or twice a week. The fact that I've never heard of "Watch" is simply amazing.

    11. Re:Facebook has this? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Sorry, small correction for you - "It's facebook and that." One usually lists the major problem first.

    12. Re:Facebook has this? by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      No problem. I stand corrected.

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  2. We need to crowdfund a hit on c6gummer, nazi trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C6gummer has no life and wants to pretend to be APK instead I guess. Get a rope, end the nazi faggot problem.

  3. trust by bigtreeman · · Score: 2

    pity us oldies just don't trust FaceAche

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  4. Geezer here... how do I sign up? by mspohr · · Score: 1

    I'm an old geezer and I want to watch.
    How do I sign up for this "Facebook" thingy?

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    1. Re:Geezer here... how do I sign up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm an old geezer and I want to watch.

      This is YouTube competitor, not Pornhub competitor.

    2. Re:Geezer here... how do I sign up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just let your nephew snap a photo of you, boom, you're on Facebook forever! F O R E V E R !!!

  5. Catch-22 by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Teens and younger millennials are leaving Facebook, audiences 30 years+ are smart enough to have never trusted Facebook in the first place.

    That leaves the even older audiences still using Facebook, but those are old enough to still watch cable/satellite and don't care about online videos.

    As always, Facebook did a great job researching their target market!

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    1. Re:Catch-22 by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      Audiences 30 years+ are smart enough to have never trusted Facebook in the first place.

      Is this really like that in the US? In my country, Facebook is the home of 30+ hipsters who have become so used to communicate by witty statuses (which, in my country, are gradually replacing journalism) and "ironic" selfies. I seriously suspect that most of them will have problem communicating with people without Facebook.

    2. Re:Catch-22 by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Is this really like that in the US?

      I do not know, I do not live there.

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    3. Re:Catch-22 by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      My apologies. Well, in that case, care to say about which country you're talking about? I'm Israeli.

    4. Re:Catch-22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you don't matter!

      (for clarity: this is a joke)

    5. Re:Catch-22 by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      It's assumed that most people in the US over late-20's have a FB account, and under that a Snap account. There are a lot of people who have such an account and publish nothing, and a lot more who have an account and publish everything.

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    6. Re:Catch-22 by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I'll let you guess, eh?

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    7. Re:Catch-22 by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      That leaves the even older audiences still using Facebook, but those are old enough to still watch cable/satellite and don't care about online videos.

      Even my stepfather left FB, and my mother never signed up. It's 50 year olds at this point, and I know that because my classmates tend to still be there.

    8. Re:Catch-22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep in short facebook blows donkey balls.

    9. Re:Catch-22 by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      You come from the land of tundra....
      Where some are French and some are other.....

    10. Re:Catch-22 by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The biggest problem with teens and millennials leaving facebook and middle agers taking their place, facebook becomes totally uncool and lame to younger audiences and those remaining. Like, eww, your'e on Facebook, why, just why, you desperate for poseur likes. The middle will get sick of the attention facebook demands and they will drop it. Facebook is becoming myspace, next marketing platform social media bait website, please step forward, whom ever that may be. As duckduckgo for google, so ? for Facebook.

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    11. Re:Catch-22 by scottrocket · · Score: 1

      Yeah they can wave hello to Friendster on the way out.

    12. Re:Catch-22 by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Comment did you guess, eh?

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    13. Re:Catch-22 by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Oblique, but yes.

  6. Signs of Facebook.com's death by rsborg · · Score: 1

    Mark has realized his idea-child's growth may be malignant instead of benign.

    As an aside, I'm wondering if the new content rules in the EU may have influenced this at all.

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  7. no time for that by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Facebook Watch? Never heard of it. Back to the Insight landing!

  8. I don't want a facebook watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do not want one on my wrist.
    I do not want one on my screen.
    I do not want one on my face.
    I would not like Facebook anywhere.

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  9. Re:Have they tried new cover art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think Facebook is applying to the Apple strategy to videos.

  10. Facebook censors more than Youtube! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only opportunity to compete with youtube is to make a platform that doesn't censor Republicans or other conservatives, but in that area Facebook is actually worse. I'm a leftist, but it's pretty lame when a channel gets demonitized and then banned for "hate speech" just for supporting the president of the united states. This era will definitely be looked back on as dark times.

    1. Re:Facebook censors more than Youtube! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I share your sentiments. Once they start censoring one group, how can you trust that they won't do it to another at some point. It reminds me of the Bernie Sanders/Hillary Clinton fratricide. I thought Hillary was marketed as "one of the good guys" but in reality she had a whole bag of dirty tricks for anyone who dared not worship her. What she did to Bernie Sanders is unforgivable. Facebook pretends they are "one of the good guys" but in reality they play it just like Hillary.

    2. Re:Facebook censors more than Youtube! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only opportunity to compete with youtube is to make a platform that doesn't censor Republicans or other conservatives, but in that area Facebook is actually worse. I'm a leftist...

      No, you're not. FOAD.

  11. Zuckerberg himself is now an old guy by xack · · Score: 1

    He has aged out of the advertiser friendly 18-34 range and must now embrace his old uncoolness.

  12. I've been on Facebook for 10 years by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Informative

    And I've never heard of "Facebook Watch". I am their target demographic and I didn't know about it until today. For a company built on advertising and market research, they seem to fail at it a lot.

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    1. Re:I've been on Facebook for 10 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook Watch is the little notification indicator that won't go away that you've probably learned to ignore. It's there on the website and in the app but I've never even looked at it. I didn't even realize it was supposed to be a "YouTube competitor," I always just assumed it was videos that friends had posted or shared or something.

      Now that I know that it's supposed to be a YouTube competitor, I will ... continue to ignore that red dot. Because it's not like I really use Facebook for much of anything other than keeping in touch with a couple of people that insist on using Facebook.

    2. Re:I've been on Facebook for 10 years by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I don't think I could have found it without that description. It seems like a stealthy feature. To be honest I don't see any major difference between what YouTube does and what Facebook is trying to do. I have no love for either of those businesses.

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    3. Re:I've been on Facebook for 10 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They used to show it more prominently on the right sidebar with a few suggested videos but nothing they suggested was ever anything that I wanted to see so I ignored it.

  13. Good luck with that by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Most young people are totally disinterested in anything that has Facebook controlling it.

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    1. Re:Good luck with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you not enjoy pictures of your friends food, random ads and narcissistic and depressed friends making fools of themselves? I wake up every morning and look forward to Facebook suggesting what I should like. It really takes the burden out of life. I'm hoping eventually I won't even need to think for myself - I mean, thanks to Facebook it's not like I need to think about who to vote for. FUCKERBERG YOU MOTHERFUCKER.

  14. Finally, a way to "friend" Pewdiepie by TomR+teh+Pirate · · Score: 1

    Just when you thought you couldn't get any dumber, social media companies step in to help

  15. Go away facebook. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You bring enough misery to those socially vulnerable people that you are nothing but damage to society.

    The faster you go away the better and people can get on with their own lives instead of worrying about what others think. You have done *nothing* but exploit that using your platform.

  16. Re:Have they tried new cover art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To the thank you to the Chris!

  17. Re:Have they tried new cover art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, Christ!

    FTFY

  18. After they blackballed conservatives by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    They have decided to go after an older demographic.

    Sounds well thought out.

    1. Re:After they blackballed conservatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have decided to go after an older demographic.

      Sounds well thought out.

      Elderly conservatives often secretly crave a nice salty pair of black balls in their mouths, so it might not be such a bad idea after all.

  19. Not there yet by PPH · · Score: 1

    You'll know you've reached the older demographic when they have to whack the monitor whenever the vertical hold goes wonky.

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  20. Let's review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's going to be less popular than YouTube and geared towards geezers. Boy, that sounds super-appealing, doesn't it? More to the point, since FaceBook as much as admits that their demographics are shifting older, what incentive is there for investors to presume continued growth?

    1. Re:Let's review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure beats the vapid commercial garbage from 18-24yo models on youtube..

  21. Marketing bullshit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if they focused on good implementation and simple terms of use they would win easily.

  22. Re:"Your rumors of my death have been..." by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

    This post is sadly missing any reference to my hook nose. You could do better...

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  23. New Subtitle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook Watch: Hold My Beer

  24. Same as in the media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh goody-gumdrops. Here come more old hags with garish makeup & Inflate-a-Bras.

  25. Re:You people need to STOP BULLYING ME... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no one cares, go away.

  26. Re:JOOZ! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Hi APK,

    It was pretty obvious that you were responsible for this screed, but thanks for confirming.

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  27. Creators don't care because walled garden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook Watch requires a Facebook login. If I'm a content creator, I want to publish on a platform that makes it easy for eyeballs to see - all kinds of eyeballs - with or without accounts. ... and this is YouTube, not Facebook Watch walled-garden, which prioritizes Facebook monetizing the eyeballs over the publishers monetizing their content.

  28. Re:Just stop by hawguy · · Score: 1

    Just stop using Facebook garbage. Do you guys really think Zuckerberg (Mr. everybody else is an idiot) deserves to be so rich? Then stop using his bullshit.

    I think that's the problem Facebook is facing -- the lucrative young market has already stopped using Facebook so now they are chasing after the less valuable older users

  29. Re:You people need to STOP BULLYING ME... apk by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    I have never threatened you in any way, and you and I both know it.

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  30. Intrusive ads are what killed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What has pushed Facebook Watch to the fringes is how they do their ads, which are random and might be unskippable, so you will be watching a video that is quiet, get an obnoxiously loud ad at random times, making it not worth the time, nor the trouble to bother with FB videos. The ad frequency is so high that it (IMHO) seems to almost rival cable TV in frequency.

    At least I can plunk some change down and get no ads on YouTube.

    Facebook, on the other hand doesn't have a real organization of videos, and the videos they have tend to be glossy propaganda aimed for a pre-teen as opposed to stuff that actually one can learn from. Add the prevalence of ads with no way to really skip, and it means I go elsewhere for meaningful content. Yes, YouTube may be a pain when it comes to monetization, but there isn't a platform that is as good for both the publisher and the viewer.

  31. Also, whoever is running Watch is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would help if they had a Roku app... or so a friend of a friend told me...

  32. Re:Just stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just stop using Facebook garbage. Do you guys really think Zuckerberg (Mr. everybody else is an idiot) deserves to be so rich? Then stop using his bullshit.

    I think that's the problem Facebook is facing -- the lucrative young market has already stopped using Facebook so now they are chasing after the less valuable older users

    As a group though, don't older folk have more accumulated wealth they can spend?

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