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Trump Says He Doesn't Believe Government Climate Report Finding in a New Low (apnews.com)

President Donald Trump on Monday rejected a central conclusion of a dire report on the economic costs of climate change released by his own administration. Associated Press reports: But economists said the National Climate Assessment's warning of hundreds of billions of dollars a year in global warming costs is pretty much on the money. Just look at last year with Hurricanes Harvey, Maria and Irma, they said. Those three 2017 storms caused at least $265 billion in damage, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The climate report, quietly unveiled Friday, warned that natural disasters are worsening in the United States because of global warming. It said warming-charged extremes "have already become more frequent, intense, widespread or of long duration." The report noted the last few years have smashed U.S. records for damaging weather, costing nearly $400 billion since 2015.

"The potential for losses in some sectors could reach hundreds of billions of dollars per year by the end of this century," the report said. It added that if emissions of heat-trapping gases continue at current levels, labor costs in outdoor industries during heat waves could cost $155 billion in lost wages per year by 2090. The president said he read some of the report and "it's fine" but not the part about the devastating economic impact. "I don't believe it," Trump said, adding that if "every other place on Earth is dirty, that's not so good."

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  1. Re:Of course it's not a new low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sold to the Americans by entrepreneurial British, Spanish and French, in exchange for the products of cheap southern labor.

  2. A new low for the Republican party perhaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Not a new low for that lifetime fraud and recent traitor Drumpf

  3. Re:Of course it's not a new low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sold to the Americans by entrepreneurial British, Spanish and French, in exchange for the products of cheap southern labor.

    Sold by entrepreneurial Africans to the British, Spanish and French, in exchange for European industrial products, triangular trade. Oh and there were also American slave traders, lots of them. Any particular reason why you left them out of your list?

  4. Sticking your fingers in your ears... by maroberts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and going "La la la, I can't hear you" is not a good presidential style.

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    1. Re:Sticking your fingers in your ears... by infolation · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Except Trump, a self-confessed germophobe, equates the cleanliness of a country to its effect on climate change:

      every other place on Earth is dirty, that's not so good

  5. Growing Expenditures by mentil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those three 2017 storms caused at least $265 billion in damage,

    The broken window sector of the economy is going to be Yuge! Remember: lost wages means lower unemployment figures! /s

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  6. Re:2nd amendment rights by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're asking for the President of the United States to be assassinated. Given that there are a number of constitutional and legal means to dump him, I think that would be a low - although not a new one.

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  7. Re:Of course it's not a new low by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the government that enslaved million of black Africans for profit.

    As much of a dick Trump is you have to separate government from country, you can't really lay that one on him.

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  8. Re:Here's Trump by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Republican idiot is republican idiot is ... waiting for 2019 to watch the Trump insane asylum get ... TRUMPED!

    It's more like Trump having Trumpified the Republican party. He commands the fanatical loyalty of a portion of the party that is sufficiently large for the Republican establishment having to suck up to him and appease his followers because they need that portion of the electorate to win elections. In order to win Trump's support they have to follow him in a headlong charge towards the right wing nationalist fringe and cater to his narcissistic bullshit. The last few Republicans that looked moderate because the rest of the party had moved so far to the right have now retired or been primaried and in those cases where they were replaced by Republicans in the recent elections those Republicans are universally hard core Trumkins. So just face it, there is no Republican party anymore. There are two US political parties, the 'Democrats' and the 'Cult of Trump'. I can only imagine how frustrating all of this is to Mitch McConnell. Just when he thought he had secured congressional majorities for the Republicans on the back of the minority vote using gerrymandering, voter suppression, disenfranchisement and intimidation, along comes Trump and basically hijacks the party. I bet it is still nothing compared to how galling it is for old Mitch to have to make an ass of himself in public by kissing Trump's posterior and heaping sycophantic praise on Trump as if he is some oriental god-emperor.

  9. Re:Here's Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From McConnell's perpspetive he ain't doing too bad : he got what he wanted. Conservative judges filling all the vacanices across the country, 2 (and maybe more) ultra conservative supreme court justices and THE FUCKING NEW TAX CODE (ie stealing from the poor to appease the rich). He has no problem kissing Trump's ass, doing him a blowjob or worse.

  10. Re:2nd amendment rights by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ponder for a moment who takes over if you off the annoying orange.

    That's what every VP since Johnson has been: An assassination deterrent. Sure, you could off the asshole on top, but then an even bigger loony takes charge.

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  11. Re:Of course it's not a new low by Freischutz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the government that enslaved million of black Africans for profit.

    As much of a dick Trump is you have to separate government from country, you can't really lay that one on him.

    True, that one can't be laid on Trump ... and for the OP: let's not forget that for all it's mistakes, this is also the government that set the slaves free.

  12. Re:2nd amendment rights by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still can't believe how messed up it is, that a guy like Donald Trump got elected president of the United States of America .

    A man who boasts about grabbing pussies of models, because as the boss, he can get away with it. And who basically insinuated that someone assassinate his political opponent.
    It is a freakish thing to happen. Fucking nuts is what it is. Somewhat damaged my belief in the democratic process and ordinary people (the electorate) in general.

  13. Trumpity Trump Trump by drewlake2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you really expect someone who lost money owning a casino to have anything worth while to contribute?

  14. Re:2nd amendment rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Yea! The election process is too democratic! Who cares what the ordinary people of the country wants! They should only elect who I want to be in charge!

    Thats what you just wrote. I just took all the bush beating out of it.

  15. Re: Of course it's not a new low by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To be fair the only reason Trump wasn't a slave trader is because he hadn't been born yet.

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  16. Re: Of course it's not a new low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The only reason he isn't a slave trader now is that he's not a good enough businessman to get away with it

  17. Re:Of course it's not a new low by Gilgaron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we're going to be pedantic, we could consider that their descendants were enslaved locally upon birth in most cases.

  18. Re:Nice Snuck Premise by shilly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hurricanes are not a function of global warming -- they've been occurring at least since 1970

    The ability of some people to out-stupid themselves on the internet never ceases to amaze me.

  19. Re:2nd amendment rights by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump is a result of many things.

    Politics in the US is incredibly polarized. Discontent made it ripe for a populist. Politics is dominated by money. The internet enabled fake news in a way people were unprepared for. Clinton had too much baggage. A lot of the progress made lately on things like same-sex marriage and rights was done via legal process rather than as a reflection of widespread changes in attitudes in every state. The Democrats were too concerned with doing the right thing instead of winning.

    These things always correct themselves eventually, it's just a question of how long and how much pain.

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  20. Re:2nd amendment rights by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only if you weren't paying attention. About a third of the US population has been "deplorable" for a long time. After WW2, a newspaper poll found that 1/3 of Americans wanted to genocide the Japanese.

    Trump came along at exactly the right time for a deplorable shitstain to take power - the electoral playing field had been tilted heavily in Republicans' favor, he had a historically unpopular opponent to defeat who was also being targeted by a foreign interference campaign, the deplorables were absolutely fuming after 8 years of a black President, and finally the straw that broke the camel's back, an October surprise that took his opponent down a peg.

    Combined, it was just enough for the deplorables to squeak through an electoral victory with a popular vote loss. It was only a matter of time before coddling these hate-filled garbage people would bite America in the ass, and the clock finally ran out.

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  21. Re:Here's Trump by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet, deficits are projected to be over a trillion next year...and the next...and the next...I guess short term sugar highs are enough to justify the tax cuts in your book.

  22. Re:2nd amendment rights by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trump is only president because the elections aren't democratic enough.

    But nevertheless it's extremely concerning that 63 million people thought that a racist, sexist senile fraud of a "businessman" was the best person to lead the country.

  23. Re:2nd amendment rights by swilver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Democracy is long dead in America. You must be pretty brain washed to consider a two party system, with no real way of ever getting a third party in power, a democracy.

    What you have is a system whereby the party best at slandering the other wins. Blaming the current party in power for current problems is a big part of this, which is why we see a regular switch between the two parties in power. As both parties are in the pocket of the rich, good luck ever changing something that will benefit the general public.

  24. Re:2nd amendment rights by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trump is a result of many things.

    Just because deplorables voted for Trump doesn't make them non-persons, it's not appropriate to call them things.

    When you boil down the sauce, the primary reason Trump got elected is our garbage education system which doesn't teach critical thinking. It's been deliberately compromised from the start, since it's based on a German system designed to produce obedient factory workers and soldiers. And it's been deliberately compromised even more since, to guarantee the flow of low-information voters.

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  25. MODERATOR ALERT! Something wrong with this post by Joe+Branya · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I believe in climate change and most of the report BIG problems with this posting here

    1) The person identified as the poster "msmash" is a first timer with no previous Slashdot record (read the heading with her name versus the typical heading) and no profile.

    2) Hate Trump as much as you want, but the Slashdot/AP a headline misrepresents what Trump. said. The Slashdot headline: "Trump Says He Doesn't Believe Government Climate Report Finding in a New Low". AP headline: "Trump: ‘I don’t believe’ government climate report finding. Notice where the quotation marks are. "I don't believe" are in quotes but the rest of the headline isn't. I doubt this bit of misleading headline was an accident by the very smart, competent AP editors. And according to the AP article what did Trump actually say? At https://apnews.com/c1dfca3088b... after SIX paragraphs of editorializing we find what he actually said: "The president said he read some of the report “and it’s fine” but not the part about the devastating economic impact. “I don’t believe it,” Trump said, adding that if “every other place on Earth is dirty, that’s not so good.” So Trump AGREES WITH THE REPORT but questions the conclusion about the impact.

    And he has good reason to- the report speculates a "worse case" sometime in the future (no date provided) of a an 8.5 degree temperature rise and further speculates on "outdoor labor unable to work because of climate change" to come up with the 10% loss figure. Even the AP article reviewers have a problem with this approach: "Yohe said it was unfortunate that some media jumped on that 10 percent number because that was a rare case of hyperbole in the report. “The 10 percent is not implausible as a possible future for 2100,” Yohe said. “It’s just not terribly likely.” Kopp, on the other hand, said the 10 percent figure seems believable. “This is probably a best estimate,” Kopp said. “It could be larger. It could be smaller.”. This is an example of the permanent government of DC civil servants (who are sometimes right, sometimes not) piling up a rickety pyramid of assumptions-based-on-assuptions, to come up with a scary hypothesis for 80+ years in the future and and then slapping an imagined, highly speculative "cost" on it This sort of nonsense/propaganda is what leads many reasonable people to think the whole Climate Change" thing is a hoax, which it is not.

    3) About the comments. At 7:00 am CST we had five up for a postings on slavery and other off-topic comments. This to me suggests that some bots have crept into the "like" system and maybe the original poster may not be real at all. Not an accusation exactly but no profile and no previous Slashdot comments or posting... a bit suspicious.

    Readers, just be aware that all sides are now acting like the Russians and you as a reader have to be apply a very critical eye to the stuff you are being fed.
       

  26. Re:2nd amendment rights by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you hang around your average people in small towns long enough, it's really not hard to see why he won.

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  27. The Sacrifice by cahuenga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the Republican establishment having to suck up to him and appease his followers because they need that portion of the electorate to win elections.

    So what you are saying is that the republican establishment is happy to sacrifice the country and wipe their asses with the constitution in order to maintain power.

    If that was a defense of the republican party I'm not seeing it.

  28. Re: Here's Trump by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no economic boom dumbshit. The defecit has more than doubled under Trump and he is just getting started destroying the economy. It will take a decade to recover from the damage he has already caused. We may *never* recover our reputation with the world.

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  29. Re:Of course it's not a new low by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A trade which still exists today in the Middle East:

    It still exists here. Once someone is declared a felon, it's legal to enslave them. For example, paying them $1-2/day to fight fires because the wealthy don't want to pay their fair share of taxes so we can't afford to hire enough firefighters.

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  30. Shove your racist "Red pill" bullshit by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Red pill"? go back to 4 Chan, you racist troll.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    All of the garbage you're spewing is thinly veiled white supremacist propaganda bullshit.

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  31. Re:Or the UN climate report by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, we all know that Al Gore and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez personally wrote every word of the UN report.

    Seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be to claim that the UN climate report, whose authors are on it, was written by politicians, presumably just because the UN, as a neutral agency that provides independent research and arbitration to ensure the world's governments do not make stupid, dangerous, decisions due to politics, commissioned it?

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  32. Re: Here's Trump by tbannist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's because doubling the national debt *was* the fiscally responsible action for Obama. Why? Because the economy was in free-fall in the worse recession since the 1930s. The previous president had cut taxes, started 2 wars and increased entitlements (and increased the deficit before the recession started). Letting the economy bottom out naturally would have increased the debt more than trying to cushion it, and would have been a much worse result for Americans (less employment and more hardship). After dealing with the recession, the deficit shrank every year under Obama.

    The fiscally responsible thing to do is run a deficit during a recession, and to cut the deficit until you run a surplus in good years. Trump is increasing the deficit during the good years, and that's fiscally irresponsible.

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  33. Why is that a problem? Trump should be normalized. by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However, your verbose hairsplitting is a weak attempt to normalize Trump.

    Yes, and?

    Trump is normal. That is the point - he's just a normal guy basically, and always has been.

    However he get rabid haters that constantly misquote him or literally lie about what he said (as we see here). Taken all together, you get a picture of Trump that is not Trump...

    So Trump SHOULD be normalized, so that everyone can understand what he is actually thinking and doing. It's actually demonization that is causing most of the issues because people just shut down instead of talking rationally.

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  34. Re:MODERATOR ALERT! Something wrong with this post by sjames · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's just more of the same denialism as they slowly backpeddle when it becomes clear that their current stage makes them look like residents of a loony bin:

    1. There is no warming. It's probably cooling.
    2. OK, not cooling but not warming either
    3. OK, so it's warming but just a teeny tiny bit and it's not our fault!
    4. OK, so it's a bit more warming than that, but it'll be good for us and it's definitly not our fault.
    5. OK, so it's maybe a little our fault.
    6. Alright, alright, it's probably our fault but it won't hurt anything.
    7. OK, so it's not entirely harmless, but it's not that big of a deal.

    All based on the incredibly strong evidence that it would deeply inconvenience some combination of buddies who own oil companies and people who refuse to drive anything weighing less than 10 tons over the incredibly rugged and adventurous terrain known as a city street.

  35. Re:For skeptics and "believers" alike... by fatwilbur · · Score: 1, Insightful

    To be fair (which folks don't seem inclined to do with the Trump administration), the NCR 2018 read like it was written by a high school student with an outcome identified before even starting. So many "impacts" listed are not backed up, and do not pass logical muster. Try reading the section on Indigenous peoples; it contains some of the same laughable sentences I've seen in environmental assessments where they argue construction project $X will permanently destroy their way of life (hint: this is always ridiculous hyperbole).

    They gloss over (but thankfully acknowledge) that most of the prediction models have not been accurate to date. This is not a "science" report, but a propaganda document written by SJW's. More bad analysis from mainstream media is why it is not presented as such. The "Trump doesn't believe climate science report" gets much more clicks.