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US Life Expectancy Falls Further (cnn.com)

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Thursday released data that shows life expectancy fell by one-tenth of a year, to 78.6 years (Warning: source paywalled; alternative source), pushed down by the sharpest annual increase in suicide in nearly a decade and a continued rise in deaths from opioid drugs. "Influenza, pneumonia and diabetes also factored into last year's increase," The Wall Street Journal adds. From the report: Economists and public-health experts consider life expectancy to be an important measure of a nation's prosperity. The 2017 data paint a dark picture of health and well-being in the U.S., reflecting the effects of addiction and despair, particularly among young and middle-aged adults, as well as diseases plaguing an aging population and people with lower access to health care. The U.S. has lost three-tenths of a year in life expectancy since 2014, a stunning reversal for a developed nation, and lags far behind other wealthy nations. Life expectancy is 84.1 years in Japan and 83.7 years in Switzerland, first and second in the most-recent ranking by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The U.S. ranks 29th.

White men and women fared the worst, along with black men, all of whom experienced increases in death rates. Death rates rose in particular for adults ages 25 to 44, and suicide rates are highest among people in the nation's most rural areas. On the other hand, deaths declined for black and Hispanic women, and remained the same for Hispanic men. As drug and suicide mortality has risen, deaths from heart disease, the nation's leading killer, went down only slightly, failing to offset the increases in mortality from other causes and prolonging another worrisome trend.

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  1. Consequences... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Long working hours, stress due to stupid societal expectations, bullying via social media, poor health care unless you have a cush job ... they all have consequences.

    1. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dont forget about the food pyramid, processed foods, and high sugar drinks. Politics and lobbyists had a huge hand in all of this too.

    2. Re:Consequences... by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Leaded water pipes, pill bottles instead of blister packs, lack of regular steady jobs that allow you to have a reasonably well planned life, insane housing prices out of touch of the working class, etc.

    3. Re:Consequences... by helpfulcorn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you sure? My wife tells me that when I have sex with her, it makes her sick.

    4. Re:Consequences... by tsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sugar ín everything and drinking a litre of sugar water every day helps too.

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    5. Re: Consequences... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With Trump in the White House who wants to live?

      Suicides went up the most among elderly rural males. In other words, Republicans. These people should be the happiest with Trump.

      America is an outlier here. Worldwide suicide rates have declined more than 29% since 2000.

    6. Re:Consequences... by helpfulcorn · · Score: 2

      I knew my son looked a lot like the mailman

    7. Re:Consequences... by kamapuaa · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Long working hours, stress due to stupid societal expectations, bullying via social media, poor health care unless you have a cush job ... they all have consequences.

      Well it's lucky that #1 Japan doesn't have a problem with any of these.

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    8. Re:Consequences... by shilly · · Score: 2

      He was being sarcastic and thus implying that the factors that the OP cited were not the main drivers.

    9. Re: Consequences... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A lot of people in rural areas were hoping that Trump would help them as their industries declined, but it was false hope. No-one can reverse the decline of things like coal, and even where action is possible it takes many years and long term policies.

      Populists always disappoint. Politics in general does, but particularly populists.

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    10. Re:Consequences... by tsa · · Score: 2

      Drugs and suicide are attractive when you are fat and have diabetes.

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    11. Re:Consequences... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      The US Government ironically sustains their stance against legalizing cannabis not because it's actually fit for Schedule I restrictions, but because it's not deadly enough. Alcohol not only kills tens of thousands every year,

      Yeah, we should ban alcohol! Because that would save lives by the tens of thousands, with no downsides whatsoever!

      What's that you say? It's been tried already? Well, then, why were we silly enough to stop the Noble Experiment? It couldn't have failed to achieve the intended results, after all....

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    12. Re:Consequences... by lgw · · Score: 2

      Long working hours, stress due to stupid societal expectations, bullying via social media, poor health care unless you have a cush job

      Except for social media, none of these are new. I'm sure social media bullying has increase suicide rates, but I doubt its by much.

      Not being able to get a job is worse for most people than long working hours. That has been tied to the opioid epidemic by some studies. As automation continues to push people out of the low-end economic jobs, people who simply can't do anything else, suicide rates and opioid addiction will only increase. I'm not sure what the solutions is, but it's more than money: most people need to feel they're doing something useful.

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    13. Re: Consequences... by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 2

      A lot of people in rural areas were hoping that Trump would help them as their industries declined, but it was false hope.

      That's a very popular platitude, but the facts seem to be pointing in a different direction.

      and even where action is possible it takes many years and long term policies

      To the extent that's true, that's even more reason not to throw out words like "false hope" this early in the game.

    14. Re:Consequences... by strikethree · · Score: 2

      Are you sure? My wife tells me that when I have sex with her, it makes her sick.

      Weird. When I have sex with her, she doesn't get sick. I wonder what the difference is? ;)

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    15. Re:Consequences... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      In much of Europe, NSAIDs are only sold in blister packs as their citizens are apparently too incompetent to handle a 500 bottle of ibuprofen.

      I'd think that would annoy Germans at least. Nobody likes to be infantilized...Fair enough...Outside a very few in Berlin who are into diapers, nobody likes to be infantilized.

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  2. Better to die of natural causes by rfengr · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Russia, liver cirrhosis and lung cancer are natural causes.

    1. Re:Better to die of natural causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you've never smelled Russian tobacco, you live an extra 10 years longer no matter what else you do. There is a leather and transmission fluid component somehow. Of course their counterfeit Vodka is just mislabeled ammonia.

  3. White vs Hispanic by quenda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The enormous difference between age-adjusted death rate of Whites and Hispanics is surprising.
    White males are dying at a 40% higher rate than Hispanics (age adjusted of course.)
    This is about the same as the gender gap in death rate, which starts from birth. Males are much more likely to die in cots, or as toddlers in pools.
    Is the racial gap across life like that, or appearing in middle age from diet-related disease?

    Do the English-speaking children and grandchildren of Hispanic immigrants maintain that advantage if they live a mainstream American lifestyle?
    i.e. nature or nurture?

    1. Re: White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It was just in another large news outlet the other day that the suicide rates are the highest they've been in 50 years, and the vast majority of them are white males over the age of 14.

      The sad fact is that no media outlets or ethnicities will really care about it.

  4. Decisions, Decisions by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You either live long enough to go bankrupt from the out of control US healthcare system
    or you die young without ever having to experience the horrors of how this country treats
    its elderly.

    Personally, I think I would prefer the latter over the former.
    ( and I'm closer in age to the latter than the former )

    1. Re:Decisions, Decisions by tepples · · Score: 2

      Next time invest better or get a job instead of being a welfare liberal.

      What should someone who has a full-time job or pair of part-time jobs do when said job or jobs turn out inadequate to pay for food and shelter?

    2. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Become an awesome independent contractor like cayenne8.

      Did I mention that he's awesome?

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    3. Re: Decisions, Decisions by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Well, once you move out of your basement and stop playing The Sims you'll notice that out in the real world, it ain't as easy as in a computer game.

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  5. Re:Disease? by currently_awake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Preventative healthcare is the key to a long life. Stopping stuff early keeps it from killing you suddenly or having permanent effects. People with poor healthcare (or limited access because of cost) tend to skimp on preventative healthcare, with corresponding effects on life expectancy. Why does the country with the most expensive healthcare on earth have the worst healthcare in the G20? Because dying patients are good for business.

  6. Cuba by manu0601 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    [US] life expectancy fell by one-tenth of a year, to 78.6 years

    One tenth of a year was the difference between USA and the 50 years embargoed Cuba in WHO 2015 study.

    1. Re:Cuba by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Right, but those stats are heavily biased by infant mortality rate definitions where the same baby who dies in Cuba and the US gets eliminated from the stats as never having been born in Cuba, but as a very short life expectancy in the US.

      Creating a huge negative based on the fact that in the US they're extremely more likely to try and save severely premature babies than they are in Cuba is a bit ridiculous and renders those stats effectively meaningless.

      For example:

      In the U.S., very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such infants – considered “unsalvageable” outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive – is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. IM statistics.

        Since 2000, 42 of the world’s 52 surviving babies weighing less than 400 grams (0.9 lbs) were born in the U.S.

        Some of the countries reporting infant mortality rates lower than the U.S. classify babies as “stillborn” if they survive less than 24 hours whether or not such babies breathe, move, or have a beating heart at birth. But in the U.S., all infants who show signs of life at birth (take a breath, move voluntarily, have a heartbeat) are considered alive and are reflected in our IM statistics.

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    2. Re:Cuba by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 2

      If you disagree with the facts provided, then feel free to provide a different set of facts and source.

      But simply resorting to insulting people, countries and organizations just demonstrates you have no actual argument nor knowledge on your side.

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  7. Courtesy of China by melted · · Score: 3, Informative

    30k deaths in 2017 from fentanyl overdose, most of it coming from China. And rates are growing exponentially.

    1. Re:Courtesy of China by fafalone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that's happened as opiate prescriptions have plummeted.

      Overprescribing was addressed in the worst possible way. Forcing people off their prescriptions of a standardized product led to seeking black market alternatives. This is yet another example of how prohibition takes something dangerous and makes it massively more so, since we keep falling for the same old idea that people won't take/can't get drugs if you simply ban them.
      Make no mistake, this massive spike in ODs wasn't some unforeseen surprise, everyone familiar with opiate abuse predicted this. The policy makers were no doubt informed of this, and then actively chose massively increasing overdose deaths over people continuing to use a less fatal alternative under some medical supervision. Not only that, our new crisis of severely undertreated pain has come roaring back, and legitimate pain patients are ODing and killing themselves too. Another totally foreseen consequence. Once again, the government looked at a drug problem and said 'Lots of people are dying, how can we make even more people suffer and die?'. It's sadomoralism, they desire only to punish drug users (not just abusers), not to actually reduce the harm drugs cause.

    2. Re:Courtesy of China by mentil · · Score: 2

      Actually they desperately want to be seen as "doing something", no matter the cost to society. Ideally, something that'd actually pass, unlike sane comprehensive drug policy reform. Addressing the opioid epidemic was a plank of many political platforms this year.

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  8. Blame immigrants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's lots of cancer cures now, cancer is no longer the absolute death sentence it once was. Heart disease? Just ask Dick Cheney if they can fix it.... yeh they can. You blamed immigrants bringing "untreatable contagious conditions". What disease exactly? "heart disease"?? "Suicide"?

    Lots of cures for lots of diseases, but healthcare has been de-funded, and large parts of Obamacare have been undermined, and you cannot afford it because you are old and have existing preconditions.

    Lots of cures for lots of diseases, BUT NOT FOR YOU.

    Of the two countries with the longest lifespans:
    Switzerland has compulsary healthcare insurance, aka Obamacare.
    Japan has 70%/30 state/compulsary private insurance.

    It's not immigrants that bring the problem, the Republican party is home grown. Fox News is a *domestic* propaganda outfit. I's not immigrants that defunds Obamacare.

    1. Re:Blame immigrants? by TimothyHollins · · Score: 2

      There's lots of cancer cures now, cancer is no longer the absolute death sentence it once was. Heart disease? Just ask Dick Cheney if they can fix it.... yeh they can. You blamed immigrants bringing "untreatable contagious conditions". What disease exactly? "heart disease"?? "Suicide"?

      Do you know anything about cancer?
      It is absolutely a death sentence. While we have successfully reduced for instance cervical cancer incidence drastically by effective screening measures in certain demographics (and the HPV vaccinations are starting to show effects in the incidence rates), most cancers are deadly, and the top 3 (lung, breast, prostate) have probably killed someone in your family.
      A successful operation, even at Stage 1A does in no way guarantee a return to the standard life expectancy. A quick look at the Kaplan-Meier for most cancers will tell you that death within 5 years is greatly elevated. Lung, breast, and prostate, cancers (the most common) are incredibly dangerous, and the treatments for the various forms of these are themselves deadly enough to reduce a person's lifespan by many years. If you get adult leukemia (AML), you will enjoy not only an incredibly invasive treatment, but the survival rate is below 20% at 72 months. For pancreas, it's even worse at around 10% after 60 months. Should you get a glioblastoma, good luck, because less than 5% of patients survive more than 60 months.

      With that said, the most common cancers are highly dependent on age. The older the population grows, the more likely carcinogenesis becomes. So when the life expectancy goes down, cancer rates drop as a likely cause of death.

      It's strange that you would mention heart disease as something that "can be fixed" as cardio- and angio- vascular diseases are the top cause of death in an older, or especially obese, population. This category encompasses far more than that one thing Dick Cheney suffered from.

      Immigrants, by which I assume you mean poor people from third world countries, are not likely to die from cancer since life expectancy in these groups generally fall below the numbers needed for cancer to become a likely cause of death. Instead they suffer from increased risk for cardiovascular disease as a result of poor diet (Mexico for instance has the highest obesity rate in the world, and India suffers greatly from cholesterol-related diseases due to the high rate of coconut fat used there). They also tend to carry increased risk from a life of bacterial and viral infections that take an overall toll on the body's immune system and repair functions.

      Healthcare is the *last* resort for these types of diseases, and while it does help, it is far better suited to dealing with other diseases and situations. A healthy and active lifestyle is the best way to protect yourself.

    2. Re:Blame immigrants? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cheney has no heart, the pacemaker he has is only there to keep up appearances.

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  9. TECH! by wolfheart111 · · Score: 2

    nothing that cant be fixed with Tech :)

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  10. Good news by TimMD909 · · Score: 2

    As life expectancy goes down, the possibility that social security will work goes up. The less people who can claim the benefits means more money to fewer survivors. Grim, but it's the truth.

    1. Re:Good news by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As life expectancy goes down, the possibility that social security will work goes up. The less people who can claim the benefits means more money to fewer survivors. Grim, but it's the truth.

      According to the article I read, the main cause of the drop is an increase in suicide and drug overdoses among the young. Which means fewer people pumping money into the system, without much corresponding drop in the people drawing out of the system. So I'd expect the opposite results...

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    2. Re:Good news by Moof123 · · Score: 2

      So what matters is the life expectancy at ~62 relative to the growth/decline of the population of ~15-45 years olds who will be funding their next ~20 years. Geezers dying from our awful healthcare system will help SSA, young folks giving up and committing suicide or OD'ing will not.

  11. Really? Surprise! (NOT) by jimbrooking · · Score: 5, Informative

    American life expectancy has for years (since I've been following it) trailed most developed nations, according to the OECD (https://www.oecd.org/els/family/CO_1_2_Life_expectancy_at_birth.pdf). Kind of goes along with paying more than any other country in the world for healthcare (https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm), and having poor showings in most measures of public health (https://data.oecd.org/health.htm#profile-Health%20status). Add income inequality (1% vs. 99%) and income stagnation for the Rest Of Us, with suicide and drug abuse increases and life expectancy decreases? Not in the least surprising.

    1. Re:Really? Surprise! (NOT) by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      We also lead in greasy, cheap food and sedentary lifestyles. Much of the death increase is a result of success, including opiod addiction in a perverse way.

      Go look at the reasons again.

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  12. It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    What's sad about this is the sole reason for the lowering is the large increase in drug overdoses.

    If we would just legalize drug use we could ensure people got help they needed instead of hiding the problem for fear of being arrested... and get safer drugs to boot.

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    1. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by helpfulcorn · · Score: 2

      I think that's a gross oversimplification of the problem, because not everyone wants help, and often times in my experience people can be in total denial about needing it at all, or just too ashamed regardless.

      Not only that if people are overdosing on medications they were prescribed in rising numbers too, legalisation doesn't really make much of a difference with those deaths. I think there's a much larger problem here than just saying: legalise it and people will know they need help when they do, actually get help because there isn't shame or anything else involved (alcoholism, perfectly legal, tons of alcoholics and people too ashamed to still get help), and drugs made in FDA approved labs will become less deadly.

      This on top of the fact getting help can also cost a lot of money, especially in the rural areas where it's rising, there aren't tons of community drug rehabilitation programs.

      I don't have any answers, but legalising it and (with the simple answer, seemingly implying) washing your hands of all of the deep seeded social problems in America isn't a proper approach.

    2. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Legalizing isn't washing your hands of it, it's merely the start of being able to truly help.

      Keeping such drugs illegal is washing our hands and then using our clean hands to dig a large hole into which we place our heads so we cannot hear the screams of the damned.

      If we tried what Portugal did 14 years ago, maybe we'd have similar success...

      Don't forget we could still go after dealers of really dangerous stuff, it would juts make small quantities illegal.

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    3. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Call me cold-hearted, but I don't see a big problem there.

      Where I see the problem is that there is a profound lack of non-addictive pain killers in the states. A lot of stuff that is commonly used in Europe is either not FDA-approved or had their approval removed because of some very uncommon side effects. Change that and the only people who overdose would be the ones who are using drugs voluntarily and if they don't care about their lives, why should I?

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  13. Re:Suicide by quenda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The difference in suicide rate from AC's link is 12 per 100,000. (18 vs 6)

    The overall death rate is 885 vs 632, a difference of 253 per 100k.
    So suicide rates, while high, only explain 5% of the white-hispanic male difference.

  14. Who cares about the poor, what about middle class? by aberglas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    USA numbers are bad because of the underclass of uninsured and un cared for people.

    But slash dot readers are middle class (despite their wingeing). and I think you will find that middle class Americans do just fine.

    Just don't ever get poor.

  15. Emotional instability by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is a product of poor education and poor diet. The areas affected suffer both.

    Poor genetic health is a factor, with urban communities typically having better genes, but that would be overwhelmed by diet and education.

    America's he-man culture and lack of functioning health service (mental health is virtually absent, synthetic opium is handed out like candy by doctors to make up for it) are other major blunders.

    And remember this is an average life expectancy, it's different for men and women. Men tend to live shorter lifespans. And it's male lifespans that are falling fastest.

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    1. Re:Emotional instability by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      So men from the he-man culture are dying? Why's everybody so upset? This is cause for celebration surely.

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  16. Re: Who cares about the poor, what about middle cl by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The middle class is dying. And the bulk of people I've worked for were unhealthy slobs who will die stupidly young.

    The air pollution around Portland, OR - home of the middle class, or at least theur books - is replete with heavy metals such as mercury. And restrictions are being lifted. It will get worse.

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  17. Re:Disease? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No matter how good your doctor is, if you cannot afford him he could be offering eternal life and you'll still croak from a preventable disease because you just can't afford it.

    And with more and more people not being able to... well, what do you expect?

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  18. Re:Disease? by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do "complex factors" make the USA so very unique?
    A series of advanced nations have the same levels of decades of industrialization in and around their city areas.
    The same transport, factory products. The US did improve on occupational safety and health. Such a large number of industrial conditions would be easy to track.
    The same levels of water treatment. The same ability to design working sewer systems. For many decades.
    Food should be of the same quality to average working and middle class populations. Doctors do notice and report conditions resulting from a lack of food.

    Back to the question of what a well funded US wide epidemiologist study could find.
    What are the "societal and economical problems" that makes some advanced nations able to do "health" care on average for their average populations?
    Re "Genetics, lifestyle choices, random chance, environmental factors."
    Hows the US populations "genetics" different?
    Lifestyle choices? Are other advanced nations making their populations do more sport more often?
    What are the "random chance" factors unique to the USA not spread over other advanced nations globally?
    Re "environmental factors? Lots of unexpected super fund sites in middle class and working class communities all over the USA nobody has ever noticed?
    A US epidemiologist would have found that polluted area and published on that interesting collection of medical conditions.
    Advanced nations like the USA can track and gather long term health information related to unexpected health problems in any community.

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  19. That does NOT explain it by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    See if the number of infant mortality was increasing that would explain it, but they have stayed stable or lower slightly. Therefore while this can explain an *offset* between USA and other OECD country, it cannot explain the trend. Furthermore even as an offset, it is incredibly low and cannot account for such a huge discrepancy : infant mortality even with those "lowered" rates are 3 per live birth in Germany and 6 per live birth in USA. That cannot account for the discrepancy in average life expectancy difference : 1.7 years that would require far more than 3 more baby per live birth to drop an average of 1.7 years over 300 million people (hint : 3 more death of baby per 1000, so about 12000 baby death per year, so per cohort at most I come with a gap of about between 1 and 2 month of contribution. That still leaves you 18 month to explain and baby death will not do that).

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  20. Trapped in a surreality show without the TV? by shanen · · Score: 2

    Basically expressing concurrence (or some form of solidarity?) with this comment and some others you've made, but I don't (ever) have any mod points to give you. [I've stopped wondering why no mod points. Just one more aspect of the broken and incurable state of Slashdot in general and the moderation in particular.]

    However it takes years for new causes to affect mortality statistics and therefore I think it is too soon to blame #PresidentTweety, even though I agree he is a YUGE source of unnecessary stress. I'm certain that I would be quite unhappy if I were trapped in a reality TV show, but this surreality show, even without the TV, is really starting to get to me.

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  21. Then let's find the right website by tepples · · Score: 2

    Then let's find the right website. My cousin recently graduated from university and is seeking a first job, but most job postings in his combination of field (computer science) and location (Fort Wayne, Indiana) require a degree plus two years of related experience. He told me that he doubts that, say, working at a Wendy's restaurant for two years would qualify as "related" enough. What website should he be looking at? Or should he instead be asking the HR department of each company seeking experienced workers where other successful candidates have earned their two years of related experience?