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Blockchain Study Finds 0% Success Rate and Vendors Don't Call Back When Asked For Evidence (theregister.co.uk)

Though Blockchain has been touted as the answer to everything, a study of 43 solutions advanced in the international development sector has found exactly no evidence of success. From a report: Three practitioners including erstwhile blockchain enthusiast John Burg, a Fellow at the US Agency for International Development (USAID), looked at instances of the distributed crypto ledger being used in a wide range of situations by NGOs, contractors and agencies. But they drew a complete blank. "We found a proliferation of press releases, white papers, and persuasively written articles," Burg et al wrote. "However, we found no documentation or evidence of the results blockchain was purported to have achieved in these claims. We also did not find lessons learned or practical insights, as are available for other technologies in development."

Blockchain vendors were keen to puff the merits of the technology, but when the three asked for proof of success in the field, it all went very quiet. "We fared no better when we reached out directly to several blockchain firms, via email, phone, and in person. Not one was willing to share data on program results, MERL [monitoring, evaluation, research and learning] processes, or adaptive management for potential scale-up. Despite all the hype about how blockchain will bring unheralded transparency to processes and operations in low-trust environments, the industry is itself opaque." Burg was an enthusiastic advocate for blockchain until recently -- as he explained in this Medium post.

145 comments

  1. I have similar results by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have similar results for "AI". A lot of press releases and white papers but nothing that is really more than computers running algorithms.

    1. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Al is a nice guy. Stop saying bad stuff about him.

    2. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that the press thinks artificial intelligence and machine learning are the same thing.

    3. Re:I have similar results by zlives · · Score: 1

      you must take it on faith... err...

    4. Re:I have similar results by zlives · · Score: 2

      Any one who scores 4 touchdowns in one game, deserves respect.

    5. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's because "AI" is a catch-all term for "things computers can't do yet". When it starts to work, it's called "machine vision" or "autopilot" or "Alexa" instead.

    6. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He says âoeright back atchaâ to you and those vendors

    7. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a long lost pal of mine, used to do some occasional protection work for him.

    8. Re:I have similar results by Desler · · Score: 1

      In high school football, no less.

    9. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who wrote this? You are so old fashioned. I hate you!

    10. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that the press thinks artificial intelligence and machine learning are the same thing.

      The problem is that the press think artificial intelligence actually exists.

    11. Re:I have similar results by taustin · · Score: 1

      So do many people who are experts in the field. They're just as full of it.

    12. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The spy device that morons put in their houses? Yeah and?

    13. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit. Better tell Google.

      And Microsoft.

      And Apple.

      And Amazon.

      And Tesla.

      And everyone else in the HPC field.

      Fuck man, good thing you figured this out. You just saved the industry billions!

    14. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unless you are using an unusually narrow definition of AI then how the fuck can you have problems finding it. Everything from google home, Amazon Echo Large scale linguistics and compute projects and even chat bots. It is everywhere.

    15. Re:I have similar results by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Deep Fakes and porn. Paste the face of your preferred female onto the porn actress of your choice for maximum viewing pleasure.

    16. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's AI. I think that's pattern matching, statistics/probability computations, and crunching of very very large database/information. All the above at a level previously unattainable (due to today's CPU power). I just don't see intelligence in machines yet. My opinion only YMMV.

    17. Re:I have similar results by sdinfoserv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are lots of examples of painfully ignorant and delusional people who are experts at something that doesn't exist... they're called "Priests".

    18. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are only AI as marketing speak. The computer is not actually thinking.

    19. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. I don't buy Internet of Shit junk.

    20. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep, considering that they are all using !blockchain for their data stores

      ya see, kiddo, there is the funny little programming construct called a database (available in both proprietary and open source models), which will provide everything that these companies need without the hot air and bs surrounding blockchain

    21. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up! You have one?

    22. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the same "Luckyo" who pretends to be a doctor and advocates you eat plastic. Take everything this jackoff says and put it in a future unintentional comedy book for the next generation. "How dumb they used to be"

    23. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, basically, you are saying that you don't even know what "artificial intelligence" refers to, and cannot be bothered to look up the definition.

      Awesome that you can participate in a discussion on it and give us your opinion, though!

    24. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Almost every example I have seen of supposed AI, AKA machine learning, is toy AI at best.
      Absolutely NONE of it should ever go near ANY mission critical stuff, or shit like self-driving cars and such.
      It is trivial to break these algorithms.
      Of course, someone will think "but what if we just make the system learn from its mistakes??". Good luck with that.
      A system that can adapt can adapt wrong. Nobody would trust a system that cannot reason.
      I'd say "imagine pushing that to the shareholders", but I remember most shareholders are legit retards that can barely reason either, so there's that!
      Humans can reason (usually), these algorithms can't, they just do.
      Humans can look at a sign with obvious tape on it and think "hey, that's been taped over!".
      Every single ML algo out there by any of these companies is open to being ruined by simple, harmless pieces of tape, in some cases turning stop signs in to Xmph zones! Have fun flying off a cliff without doing a single bit of work! AWE! I can't wait to die!

      Sure they can make fun experiments. Sure they can automatically generate janky looking fake porn. Sure they can solve very controlled mazes. Sure, they can even create reasonably decent models from videos, or modify pictures weather, but that's IT. They can't reason beyond those boundaries. And they don't scale well beyond the initial system parameters. (most, anyway)
      Trying to make it do so with current algorithms is just pointless. They won't work. They are fundamentally NOT how the brain works at any level. They are the simpletons view of how the brain works. And that is why they get simpleton results. They are mere ML, not true AI. ML is handy for lots of time-saving work, but it is NOT good for most tasks people are trying to force them in to. It's downright dangerous to try.
      Never trust them with anything that is in control of anothers life. They kill regularly in spite of their supposed benefits. (in industry and that one rather unfortunate experiment that led to a company leaving the market entirely)

      Worse, nobody has a slightest fucking clue how any of the inner workings operate.
      These algorithms are spitting out systems that look like gibberish. Especially when you consider things like auto-encoders. Holy fuck the mess those things can pump out.

    25. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clergy perform very important community related functions. If you are not part of the community, then you wouldnt see the value.

    26. Re: I have similar results by geoskd · · Score: 2

      Clergy perform very important community related functions. If you are not part of the community, then you wouldnt see the value.

      Yeah, those boys aren't going to abuse themselves...

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    27. Re:I have similar results by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      the funny little programming construct called a database (available in both proprietary and open source models), which will provide everything that these companies need without the hot air and bs surrounding blockchain

      Far more efficiently with much quicker search and retrieval times, too.

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    28. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the olden days we used to call it statistical modelling ...

    29. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Betty, when you call me....

    30. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clergy perform very important community related functions.

      I'm pretty sure all the molested children would disagree.

    31. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marvin Minsky is dead.

    32. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know that one of the primary targets of the KKK at the height of their power was Roman Catholics? Don't fall for the fascist anti-clergy hype. It's ugly, and your allies are hideous.

    33. Re:I have similar results by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't know about him being a nice guy, but give him a break, he sells women's shoes for a living.

    34. Re:I have similar results by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem is that the press think artificial intelligence actually exists.

      It does exist. You never seen a blonde die her hair brown before?

    35. Re: I have similar results by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clergy perform very important community related functions. If you are not part of the community, then you wouldnt see the value.

      Yeah, those boys aren't going to abuse themselves...

      I suspect self-abuse among teenage boys is a lot more prevalent than you think.

    36. Re:I have similar results by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

      A system that can adapt can adapt wrong.

      The technical term is "adversarial machine learning". We've only just come up with the term for it, and are in the process of discovering how easy it is to defeat any machine learning system. In terms of fixing it, we haven't even got to the point of the "fucked if I know" realisation.

    37. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. That's you buddy.

      Loosen up the definition enough and everything is AI since the time the first computer was turned on.

    38. Re:I have similar results by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the press think artificial intelligence actually exists.

      Of course it exists, just like computer science, or mineralogy, or cardiology exist.

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    39. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool story, pedo.

    40. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clueless.

      You could always use the definitions that are commonly accepted. Or read a book on AI, or look at a class description. You might imagine it means something wild and crazy, but it simply does not.

      Wikipedia:

      Artificial intelligence (AI), sometimes called machine intelligence, is intelligence demonstrated by machines, in contrast to the natural intelligence displayed by humans and other animals. In computer science AI research is defined as the study of "intelligent agents": any device that perceives its environment and takes actions that maximize its chance of successfully achieving its goals. Colloquially, the term "artificial intelligence" is applied when a machine mimics "cognitive" functions that humans associate with other human minds, such as "learning" and "problem solving".

      Do you have some personal definition that makes there be no existent cases? Something perhaps like "duplicate human cognition"?

    41. Re: I have similar results by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

      You mean like the Catholics who killed Protestants on sight, who call condom usage "a sin" in a country where 48% of the population is dying of or has HIV, who regularly hide those who abuse children, who claim Global Warming is false because that much power only god can do and if it really were a problem, god would fix it...
      Ya, let's not rail against region...

    42. Re:I have similar results by gweihir · · Score: 1

      But unlike the Blockchain, there is no technological replacement for AI. People can do it (well, some can), but machines cannot.

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    43. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not the Catholic Church's stance on global warming at all. In fact it has been the Vatican's stance for awhile that global warming is caused by humans and is a huge issue.
      https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150616-pope-climate-francis-vatican-global-warming-green-solar-carbon-sustainable/

      I can't find any instance of the Church denying global warming. It seems that either you found the personal opinion of one Catholic and assumed he was speaking on behalf of the Catholic Church, or you're just making the whole thing up.

    44. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're mixing up one group with another. Really, the problem is religionists in general. They're all shit, especially the evangelicals.

    45. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I happened to have a discussion about this at work today.

      They were asking about how to speed up analysis of data in a blockchain, and the best idea we could think of was to just dump the data into a good ol' RDBMS

    46. Re: I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's called a Turing Test. gtfo poser

    47. Re:I have similar results by f3rret · · Score: 1

      ...yes. What else would they be doing? Do you expect an AI system to somehow involve the researchers imbuing a computer with some kind of magical electronic soul?

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    48. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have similar results for "AI".

      Results are the same for any "buzzword". Stop hyping buzzwords, it makes you look silly.

      Look back 15-30 years, at the buzzwords being used historically. See how silly it looks. Some of us see the same sillyness in todays buzzwords - we don't need to wait till they "go out of style".

    49. Re:I have similar results by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I have similar results for "AI". A lot of press releases and white papers but nothing that is really more than computers running algorithms.

      Sorry my porn collection disagrees with you. Unless it is you think that Keira Knightley actually did do 2 guys at once on camera.

      I mean you have to be a special kind of ignorant to claim something doesn't exist on Slashdot when there's examples of it existing currently on the front page of Slashdot itself.

    50. Re:I have similar results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite is "multimedia" and the other day I was saying, this (whatever thing) is multimedia!

      My test is, is this thing multimedia? If so, I'm impressed enough. e.g. this consumer-operated cash register is multimedia. (I won't say self check out because the merchandise doesn't check itself. "self-rolled cigarette" amuse me also. I smoke them but they don't roll themselves, I do roll them)

    51. Re: I have similar results by adrian.me · · Score: 1

      Clergy perform very important community related functions. If you are not part of the community, then you wouldnt see the value.

      Yeah, those boys aren't going to abuse themselves...

      I suspect self-abuse among teenage boys is a lot more prevalent than you think.

      https://staging.coincircle.com...

  2. Also, 0% evidence of brain activity by nwaack · · Score: 0

    was found in the people looking to buy this amazing new synergistic disruptive technology to use in their business. (Yeah, I know there's probably some good use for the tech out there somewhere, but I have yet to find one where other tech can't do the same thing just as good, if not better.)

  3. nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Similarly, blockchain will give you greater choice and clarity when it comes to how your taxes are spent and the government goods and services you can benefit from...Blockchain is like a loom that can weave together multiple strands of separate things, including these technologies I mentioned above, into an integrated fabric where you can see what the data means and adjust resources in response.

    Blockchain does none of this actually.

    1. Re:nope by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      And if it did, the problem with blockchain is that you have to wait a week before you know whether the transaction actually took place.

    2. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And an unfortunate amount of the times your transaction would be rejected.

    3. Re:nope by Lanthanide · · Score: 1

      People always conflate blockchain with bitcoin.

      Yes, bitcoin sucks, it's slow and crap. There are many other currencies and blockchains out there that don't suffer bitcoin's shortcomings.

      For example XRP transactions can be settled in 4 seconds.

    4. Re:nope by Galactic+Dominator · · Score: 2

      People always conflate blockchain with something worthwhile.

      Yes, XRP sucks, it's vulnerable and doesn't solve any issues with money or payments. There are many other methods of spending money out there that don't suffer XRP's shortcomings.

      For example Verified by Visa transactions can be settled in 4 seconds.

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    5. Re: nope by Lanthanide · · Score: 1

      Do some research on XRP, because it exists specifically to solve problems in foreign exchange.

    6. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do understand how credit card processing works? Or is it more than likely you are smuggly talking out your ass? Credit card transactions start quick and take a day or two to actually settle. It is about as slow as Bitcoin.

  4. Looking at the wrong metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The success rate of blockchain technology in extracting money from gullible investors and corporate management is far higher than 0%, I assure you!

    1. Re:Looking at the wrong metric by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      It's not just scamming investors, it's getting funding, period. I know some guys working for major banks who used blockchain to get their work funded. The blockchain is just this token appendage that will almost certainly get dropped long before anything is deployed, but it got them management buy-in where mention of distributed transaction processing and the like didn't.

      So treat blockchain as a political mechanism, not a technical one.

    2. Re: Looking at the wrong metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it mainly stole the college kids' student loan money.

  5. Nail meet hammer by TimMD909 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Block chain technology could be useful, but since people seem to have forgotten that there's more than just that hammer, this bullshit pervades. Guessing everyone is still upset MjÃlnir is broken, and that's why we have this hammer obsession.

    1. Re: Nail meet hammer by TimMD909 · · Score: 2

      Addendum: maybe we can get Hemsworth to do a PSA to stop treating all problems like nails?

    2. Re:Nail meet hammer by 14erCleaner · · Score: 1

      So, what's an example of a "nail"? (That can't be hammered in by a traditional database, that is.) Nobody's answered that question to my satisfaction yet, other than exchanging things without government oversight (i.e. crime).

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    3. Re:Nail meet hammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only useful when a decentralised ledger is valuable enough to you to put up with the downsides.

      Centralisation though is always so much more efficienct (or rather, decentralisation is so ineffieicnt) that the upsides are often vastly to small to compensate anywhere near for the downsides.

      Classic example, git. DVCS, totally distributed version control system. What do 99% of git users use? Some sort of centralised git repository (e.g., GitHub, BitBucket, or one of the many others).

    4. Re:Nail meet hammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's only useful when a decentralised ledger is valuable enough to you to put up with the downsides.

      Centralisation though is always so much more efficienct (or rather, decentralisation is so ineffieicnt) that the upsides are often vastly to small to compensate anywhere near for the downsides.

      Classic example, git. DVCS, totally distributed version control system. What do 99% of git users use? Some sort of centralised git repository (e.g., GitHub, BitBucket, or one of the many others).

      Don't think you understand how git works. People do not use github like that. The repos are hosted on github in the same way someone would use itunes. It is an avenue of distirbution but development is not dependent on it nor do developers code on the site.... vasty different from other scm's like vss or cvs. MIcrosoft is certainly trying to change that since buying Github.

      Though git shares some properties with a blockchain, they are quite different. One of the biggest gripes I have with blockchains being used in finance is a perpetual, public ledger. Once a transaction has been cleared and settled by both parties there is no reason that needs to be public.

    5. Re:Nail meet hammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The single advantage of blockchain is that you can run it on tens of thousands of other people's computers without them being able to alter the data.

  6. No success??? by BringsApples · · Score: 1

    I guess it depends on your definition of "success", but isn't bitcoin built on blockchain technology? Wouldn't that count as a success?

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    1. Re:No success??? by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      Not really. *People* have been successful at various ventures involving trading BTC, but they've either cashed out at a profit (e.g. are betting it won't go up any more), are acting as a brokerage so they make money either way as long as it doesn't collapse entirely, or have used it as marketing fluff to pump investment money (above board or not). None of those are really strong indicators of the tech itself being successful.

      At best, the jury is still out - if it significantly recovers in value and starts being seen as a worthy long term investment again and/or becomes established as a viable mainstream currency replacement, then perhaps you might be able to make that claim. Right now, however, the general trajectory for BTC - and crypto currencies in general given how all the major alternates generally take a dump in sympathy whenever BTC farts - doesn't look good.

      At least one Doge still equals one Doge though, so that's a plus. Right?

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    2. Re:No success??? by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      I don't follow. Blockchain has only every promised to be a way to keep records public, with no central point of management. It's done that. But I've taken what you said to mean something along the lines of "well yeah, humans have been successful using it, but the technology itself has achieved nothing." Hopefully I'm just misinterpreting your point, but using that same logic, electricity has done nothing, cans (for canning food) have done nothing, automobiles, etc...

      Could you please elaborate?

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    3. Re:No success??? by Lanthanide · · Score: 1

      Electricity is widely used to power things that do work. Cans are widely used to store food for later consumption. Autombiles are widely used to transport people and goods around the place.

      Bitcoin is not widely used for anything. It just exists. It's value is only because it was the first cryptocurrency, other than that it has no intrinsic value. Other cryptocurrencies do everything that bitcoin does better.

    4. Re:No success??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, he saying that no one has managed to make a business around blockchain.
      People have made money on bitcoin, but that's not based on it being blockchain, it's just people speculating the same way they do on property value.

    5. Re:No success??? by raymorris · · Score: 1

      I believe their point is that there have been roughly zero stressful projects based on block chains.

      The sole possible exception would be crypto currency, but let's have a look at that. A currency is supposed to be a medium of exchange (a way to set prices and pay for things) and a store of value (a way to keep money in the bank for later).

      With Bitcoin's value having dropped about 80% over the last year, it's hardly a store of value. So it fails as a currency. You can price things in Euros or dollars, nobody sets prices in BTC.

      Some people would argue that there has been the ONE single block chain based project that is successful, but even that one is far more hype than actual success.

    6. Re:No success??? by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      OP specifically gave Bitcoin as a potential example of blockchain's success ("wouldn't that [BTC] count as a success?"), but I think it's pretty clear that at the current time you'd be very hard pressed to call BTC a success, ergo it can't be used as an exemplar for a blockchain success story. The sad part is that the two seem like they are joined at the hip, especially to those outside the tech field, and if BTC crashes and burns then it'll potentially kill blockchain as well.

      Personally, I think cryptocurrencies in general are a failed experiment (I cashed out my BTC late last year, just before it peaked), but might get a second chance if another coin can successfully oust BTC as the defacto standard in the public eye and move away from the negative PR surrounding proof of work. Blockchain, however, probably does have some useful applications in things like accounting and voting systems where an indelible public record is required, provided someone can get it all to work, but that seems to be a lot harder than its proponents would have you believe, judging by the results of TFA. Hopefully, if BTC is going to collapse, someone will figure it out before that happens which at least give the tech a chance to distance itself from the fallout that will result.

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    7. Re:No success??? by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      OP specifically gave Bitcoin as a potential example of blockchain's success ("wouldn't that [BTC] count as a success?")

      Thank you, yes. Regardless of how successful bitcoin is/was, blockchain is the subject here. I guess I was trying to ask, "What other applications, other than bitcoin, would be able to utilize blockchain?"

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  7. There was never anything to find. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tech is new, untested, untrusted. The ones behind most of it are pump n dumpers. Its a scam. There is no way to use the blockchain without forcing it onto users, there is no company in the world that wants to put their information, be it monetary ledges or otherwise, out there for the whole world to peruse at their leisure. This is a solution in search of a problem, but no one has a problem it fits into without creating much larger problems.

  8. Gold rush! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The scammers and shady operators got involved and tainted the technology.

    There are some use cases... but no one is interested in anything except separating âinvestorsâ(TM) from their money.

  9. Just look at the sky! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll find your blockchain miracle results in The Cloud!

  10. Re:Frosty blockchain piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You and Bitcoin, two failures.

  11. Well color me surprised. by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a world where despite the importance most people can barely manage to deal with http certificates, attempts to adopt a much more complicated technology for much more dubious use cases fell short.

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    1. Re:Well color me surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blockchain is the future (of some transactions, by no means all types) --- but ease of use of blockchains is requirement before we every see mass-adoption.

      Blockchains need one thing to jump-start his: Smartcard integration. This should be trivial. Why?

      Well blockchain ID's are nothing more than Private Public keypairs, and a couple of logic choices of the public key to derive the ID.

      What do smartcards do? They sign and attest data from public private keypairs --- So 90% of the work is done. they need hardware which will adapt this attestation.

    2. Re:Well color me surprised. by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      and then you realise that none of that needs a block chain

    3. Re:Well color me surprised. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      In a world where despite the importance most people can barely manage to deal with http certificates, attempts to adopt a much more complicated technology for much more dubious use cases fell short.

      False equivalency. Just because most people can't deal with a http certificate doesn't mean that field experts can't. Yet that is precisely the claim here, even the experts provide no evidence of doing anything useful with blockchain.

    4. Re:Well color me surprised. by lokedhs · · Score: 1
      How do you get from smartcards to blockchains? I mean, sure, smartcards can store data (in particular, but not limited to keypairs). Blockchains can also store data.

      A common message from blockchain proponents seem to be: “X, but on the blockchain!”. But without actually explaining how X on the blockchain would actually work.

      Are you suggesting that you'd use a smartcard to sign a transaction that in placed on a blockchain? What would that be useful for?

  12. Nothing good comes out of scams! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it is because nothing good/valuable comes out of scams (other than hard lessons about what not to invest ever)?

  13. Perfect buzzword for "start-ups". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone wants it. Achieves perfectly nothing. Well, except drive up your valuation if you stick it in your business plan or even just your company name. You don't even have to ICO (thus exposing you to SEC scrutiny for unlicenced security trading). Just drop the word a couple times and you'll have to fight off the drooling "investors" giving you money.

    It's safe. It's buzzword-y. It doesn't actually do squat on its own. You really can't ask for better buzzwords than that.

    Compared to the noughties, this is progress: A complete bubble in a single word.

  14. Certificate Transparency by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    And crypto currencies. If you choose to ignore the two biggest uses today then I wonder how many others they "missed" https://www.certificate-transp...

    1. Re:Certificate Transparency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CT doesn't use blockchain at the moment, but it has some similar concepts. So far, merely been proposed by some people to use blockchain as a way of implementing revocation transparency. Currently revocation transparency it uses trillian : https://github.com/google/trillian

    2. Re:Certificate Transparency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I'm aware, CT uses a sparse merkle tree structure. That's about it. Its as blockchain as ZFS, Gnutella, Torrents and some other hashed tree implementations (hadoop?)

  15. Re:creimer is fat and a cuck! Smells like a butt! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um. You need to have some sort of partner in order to be cuckolded. So now you've cast doubt upon your entire thesis.

  16. ccreimer is fat and a gay! Everybody say Yay!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creimer's right hand cheats on him all the time.

  17. IBM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask IBM. They advertise the use of blockchain.

  18. Obligatory xckd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  19. Blockchain and the Standard Model of physics by thragnet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dissociated Press (DP) — FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Physicists identify new fundamental particle May herald a new particle family and restructuring of the Standard Model Geneva, Switzerland — December 3, 2018 Keywords: hypino, shinyon, blockchain High energy particle physicists at the CERN (Conseil Européen pour la Recherche Nullité) facility have confirmed the existence of the long-conjectured hypino (hy-PEE-no). It is thought to be the first member of a new class of particles known as shinyons (SHY-nee-ons), distinct from bosons and fermions. Unlike other subatomic particles, hypinos carry no charge, and have neither rest nor relativistic mass. Their only defining quantum property is spin. Hypinos are thought to be the fundamental unit of marketing hyperbole. To date, hypinos are the only known members of the proposed class of shinyons, which are of especial interest to tech investors and holders of the MBA degree. Dr. Martin Waugh, of the Institute for Advanced Squander, further posits that the hypino may be the carrier of the so-called “weak-minded force”, a mutual repulsion between fools and their money. It is theorized that, upon sufficiently accelerated spin, hypinos transform into super-excited hyperinos, detectable only by Chief Information Officers. The discovery of the hypino is recounted by Drs. Robert Crawford and Robert Jensen as follows: “It was a Friday afternoon, and we and our colleagues were returning from a long lunch. Maintenance on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) was scheduled to start Saturday morning, and the apparatus would be unavailable for two months. We were in a ‘what the hell’ kind of mood, so we thought we'd take a fantasy shot, just for grins and giggles. “We had a few leftover Higgs Bosons from 2012 on the shelf, so our lowly lab technician, Garth Dennis, breech-loaded them into the beast , set up a blockchain for the target, positioned the extremely sensitive Swindleometer at the intended point of collision, energized the superconducting electromagnets, and let it rip. Upon collision, the blockchain shattered into a shower of the elusive hypinos. Examination of the debris field revealed that the blockchain and all of our cash were gone! Apparently the hypinos were entangled with our funding.” There may be natural sources of hypinos. The strongest natural emitters appear to be located in Redmond, Washington, and Armonk, New York.

    1. Re:Blockchain and the Standard Model of physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was great. Thank you.

    2. Re:Blockchain and the Standard Model of physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking GOLD

  20. Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll bet they found plenty of invoices.

  21. Whaaaaaaaat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Overhyped tech turns out to be snake oil rubbed all over smoke covered mirrors you say?

  22. Blockchain and gambling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The big thing in online casinos is to use blockchain to provide absolute provable fair play by the casino. Open ledger that is immutable allows players to see and validate each play.

  23. Blockchain may be a Rube Goldberg of programming by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 2

    Feels like a Rube Goldberg machine with the way it is turning out, or worse, like a perpetual motion machine, or snake oil, etc.

  24. AI isn't what you think it is by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    most folks say "AI" as a catch all of "Automation informed by large datasets" because it's easier for laypersons to understand. But if you consider that then there's a mountain of "AI" going on right now. Sure, that's not strictly speaking AI, but when lost your job to a bot or some other clever form of automation do you really care?

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    1. Re: AI isn't what you think it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikipedia:

      Artificial intelligence (AI), sometimes called machine intelligence, is intelligence demonstrated by machines, in contrast to the natural intelligence displayed by humans and other animals. In computer science AI research is defined as the study of "intelligent agents": any device that perceives its environment and takes actions that maximize its chance of successfully achieving its goals. Colloquially, the term "artificial intelligence" is applied when a machine mimics "cognitive" functions that humans associate with other human minds, such as "learning" and "problem solving".

    2. Re:AI isn't what you think it is by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      One day these laypeople are going to realize that their neighborhood software developer or data guy are the ones who have been automating people out of the job. Right now they just aren't making the connection.

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    3. Re: AI isn't what you think it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whatever dude. its just a large statistics table.
      there is no intelligence in that box.

      if you don't know what it is, don't talk about it, this is Slashdot, not congress.

    4. Re: AI isn't what you think it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you show me everything you do, in order to possibly automate your work?

      Duh. People aren't that dumb..

    5. Re:AI isn't what you think it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My neighbour from the right can't make the connection between his soaring debt and him smoking a pack a day, drinking in a pub every other day, and buying a new car every three years.

      My neighbour from the left can't see the connection between the fact that she let the TV raise her son and him never helping her around the house. (To quote: "I was such a good mother, I gave him the happiest childhood I could, he never had to do any work, he could play as much as he wanted to and this is how he thanks me! It's all because of TV, he watched too much of it and it spoiled him!")

      Somehow I don't think any of them will ever figure out the connection you mentioned.

  25. Re:Frosty blockchain piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're called buttcoins thank you very much.

  26. Yeah, because it's stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you just think about what the blockchain really is you realize that it's just a chain of messages signed by various keys, where each message includes the hash of the previous one.

    1. Re:Yeah, because it's stupid by nyet · · Score: 2

      What, like git?

    2. Re: Yeah, because it's stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sort of exactly like git but also has a (inefficient) way to automatically resolve conflicting "check-ins".

    3. Re:Yeah, because it's stupid by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. Except a blockchain adds a voting scheme to decide who gets to approve the pull requests.

    4. Re: Yeah, because it's stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lemme guess - you still use Visual SourceSafe?

    5. Re: Yeah, because it's stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ewwwww. No thanks. Used CVS, then SVN, now Git. I should point out that blockchains in general don't necessarily have to be inefficient but the most common current distributed method (proof-of-work) is pretty computationally expensive.

    6. Re: Yeah, because it's stupid by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      > Sort of exactly like git but also has a (inefficient) way to automatically resolve conflicting "check-ins".

      Wow, this got "Insightful"? Considering that git's claim-to-fame is low-cost branching, and the whole point of blockchain is to prevent branching, I'd say that they're really not at all alike. The analogy is about as good as saying plants are sort of exactly like animals except the animals have a better way to move around.

    7. Re: Yeah, because it's stupid by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      I'm far from an expert, but proof-of-work certainly needs to be computationally expensive, on the other hand I think an economist would tell you that it never will become economically expensive compared to the perceived economic value gained by the computation. (The problem, nowadays, being in the "perceived" part...)

    8. Re:Yeah, because it's stupid by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      What kind of blockchains feature low-cost branching as a major selling point?

      It seems to me that a blockchain is, well, a "chain", but a git repo is a "directed acyclic graph", which is much more general. Did I miss something?

    9. Re:Yeah, because it's stupid by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Git uses a hash tree, which is a generalization of the idea of a hash list or hash chain. All of those have been around forever, and are used in various forms in BitTorrent, zfs, etc.

      IIRC the Satoshi paper describes bitcoin in terms of hash trees, but most (not necessarily all) blockchain implementations have provisions for pruning branches. Bitcoin selects the longest validated unbranched chain. You don't really want your accounting ledger to have branches....

      You're right, git uses much more of the power of a hash tree than do most blockchain implementations, but the underlying data structure is pretty much the same. What novelty there is in blockchain isn't in the cryptography that gets hyped so much (public key plus hash trees), or the idea of making records public for accountability, but in the cooperative mechanism for assigning editing privileges.

  27. Except even the creator doesn't use it by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Since no browsers use Certificate Transparency to warn against fake certs, I'm not sure it's a huge success.

    Google created Certificate Transparency, yet when I go to a site with a cert that isn't using CT, I get no warning in Chrome. My Chrome is a couple months old, but I haven't heard that this has changed. When even the creator of the system doesn't use it, is it a big success?

    1. Re:Except even the creator doesn't use it by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      Chrome does "use" Certificate Transparency, just not in the particular way you believe they should. (BTW, with a road map for the kind of implementation you want.)

  28. Typo - Freudian slip? by raymorris · · Score: 1

    "stressful projects" should be "successful projects".
    Certainly some block chain projects have been stressful.

  29. In related news ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    The text of the study is available via Blockchain.

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  30. It appears that you have ALL missed the point. Her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgI0liAee4s

  31. Re:first repost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First ripe paste!

  32. Re:first repost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First rube parsed!

  33. I guess Sears-Blockchain isn't gonna happen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This news comes out just before Sears changes their name to Sears-Blockchain.

  34. Re:first repost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fast Ray posed!

  35. The only way blockchain does this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is with crypto appliances where the private key is generated randomly, permanently inaccessable (think TPM module) to any individual, and has a one way seeding value tied to the block number with a set of other heterogenous nodes all doing the signing as well.

    Under these circumstances the blockchain offers transparency and validity, so long as the records being blockchained are published in real time and to all signing nodes.

    Outside of these circumstances it is possible to compromise the blockchain history, and it doesn't allow verification of the signing since anyone having access to one or more of the private keys has the potential to rewrite the blockchain history (in the case of bitcoin derivatives it is the 51 percent attack, which has actually been proven to require less than 51 percent if you attack both the blockchain and the network at the same time.) Some of these attacks can be detected by a neutral third party, but state level actors, commercial interests or intelligence agencies each have the possibility of assets and resources capable of doing such a conspiracy-level compromise if the benefits outweighed the risks. And unless dozens of people have the time and money to archive copies of old blockchains it is unlikely one outlying kook would be able to raise a flag over a 'transparent' blockchain being backdata'd (think backdating) when a particularly uncomfortable record needed to be rewritten to better follow the current big data agenda.

    At that point blockchain, or git repo have about the same level of authority and both allow alterations that could tamper with remote copies if they believe the updates are authoritative.

  36. Reas the "roadmap" you linked to by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The "roadmap" you linked to consists of this statement:

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    Certificates issued in October 2017 or later will be expected to comply with Chromeâ(TM)s Certificate Transparency policy in order to be trusted by Chrome
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    I notice it is is December 2018. Chrome still trusts certs that don't have CT. They could not implement it as planned, because people weren't and aren't using it.

    I make security scanning tools for a living. My team checks at least a dozen things for each certificate. CT isn't something we check, because nobody cares.

    1. Re:Reas the "roadmap" you linked to by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      OK, thanks for the info that they are behind on the roadmap. What about EV?

      > I make security scanning tools for a living. My team checks at least a dozen things for each certificate. CT isn't something we check, because nobody cares.

      Well, I would care. It seems stupid that you wouldn't check CT, considering that it exists, and even seems to be a good idea. I suppose there's some downside I am unaware of? What is it?

  37. Really? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Check out Ripple. They signed contracts with banks all over the world months ago.

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  38. Audit ; Lack of central authority by DrYak · · Score: 1

    So, what's an example of a "nail"? (That can't be hammered in by a traditional database, that is.)

    It's for the few corner cases when you don't want the drawback of a database :
      - it's *a* databaase (singular) and all actors have to trust this one single database. Also that database represent a single point of failure.

    Usually the answer against single point of failure is to do replication.

    Blockchain when you squint at it is replication taken to the extreme, where every single node on the network have their own copy of the database, forming a distributed trust instead of the classical central authority.

    And as everbody has a local copy of the distributed ledger, everyone can audit (check) it.

    other than exchanging things without government oversight (i.e. crime).

    Technically imprecise.
    - Not everything your government considers a crime is necessarily one in my government (e.g.: sex, drugs, probably even rock'n'roll if you look at some specific governments in backwards countries)
    Though even in the US some places tolerate sex and drugs
    - Not oversight, but *control*. Because there is no central Blockchain Ltd. company at whose door to knock, there is no way to exert any control nor enforce any prohibition. On the other hand government can exert surveillance : the ledger is public (the whole distributed trust mechanism relies on it) and government are typically the class of entities with enough ressource to data-mine this database and make sense out of it.
    Bitcoin, by design is the opposite of anonymous. It's merely pseudonymous because transactions are identified by your cryptographic keys, instead of your passport number/social security number/whatever...

    Beyond "passing virtual objects around without a central authority" (how Bitcoin is relying on blockchain to make it possible for to people to exchange BTC without there being a need for a "Bitcoin Inc Bank" to exist), blockchain could also be used for smart contracts, etc. again without needed for a central authority to exist.
    (There could be technical ways to implement something like AirBnb or UBER entirely on blockchain tech).
    The problem, that means also that central company do not need to exist, only software. Thus no profit to be made, and no commercial success.
    (There could not be a "block chain airbnb" company making money out of blockchain. At best only a collaboratively developed piece of opensource software on some git repository... which if you look at it is the situations of bitcoin : the core technology is opensource software developed in the open, not a single central software seller)

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  39. IBM by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    Maybe the problem is this article is looking at "Blockchain vendors" (aka tiny startups). One of the biggest problems in having a successful blockchain use case is it requires PARTNERSHIP with many external companies, who are usually competitors. This is not something easily brokered by startups.

    IBM Food Trust (IBM / Walmart / Dole / Kroger / Carrefour ) Expands Blockchain Network to Foster a Safer, More Transparent and Efficient Global Food System

    https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-...

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    https://newsroom.ibm.com/2018-...

  40. Too complicated no one knows what it does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - blockchains allows anonymous or private transactions
    - blockchains have perfect traceability built-in, every copy of the blockchain contains full information about all transactions
    - blockchains is precisely what we need for millions/billions/trillions transactions
    - blockchain calculations take minutes/hours, will require terawatts of power and will cause 4C of global warming
    - blockchain on IoT devices...

    I would rather think about something else.

  41. Piece in Guardian on a successful implementation? by MastaBaba · · Score: 1
  42. Doing step one for the hackers, complexity by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > considering that it exists, and even seems to be a good idea. I suppose there's some downside I am unaware of? What is it?

    It may be a good idea, or not. I'm reserving judgement on that and just saying it hasn't caught on. There are two issues I see immediately, obvious downsides. There may be more.

    The first step for a targeted attack is surveillance, checking out the target environment and finding which systems one wants to compromise, what software they are running, which version, etc. Then the same for systems between the attacker and the valuable target - I might first compromise a firewall and a workstation in order to get to my real target, a database server.

    At the security company I owned, we had one machine that existed solely to store credit card numbers and submit charges to the payment processor. That machine didn't run a public web server, which could be compromised. It didn't run our DNS or anything else, it *only* stored and submitted credit card numbers. Since the credit cards weren't being housed on the same server as any publicly accessible service, bad guys would have no way of knowing that machine even existed. Unless our CA published a publicly accessible log saying they issued a cert for cards.mycompany.com!

    The CT log is an open list of sensitive systems, servers that people have decided need some security. A target list. That's certainly a downside.

    Perhaps more importantly, it adds complexity. Complexity is the enemy of security. Bad guys love complex security protocols, because there is almost always a loophole, either in the spec or an implementation. An example is one of the worst TLS vulnerabilities ever, Apple's "goto fail". The code was effectively this:

    if (hash-is-correct)
          accept;

    Seems simple, right? Only accept the cert if the hash is valid. The problem is that check was added before the check to see if the cert was valid for the name in use. The programmer accidentally accepted the cert if it had a valid hash - even if rhr cert was issued for cracker.com and then user is connecting to bank.com.

    Every line of code you have is another opportunity for a vulnerability. I have over 100,000 vulnerabilities in my database. If you ask me to audit your program and give my stamp of approval saying it's not vulnerable, this will be my answer:
    The only code that is known safe is code that doesn't exist.

    We know you won't have any vulnerabilities in a feature if and only if you do not have that feature. If CT is widely adopted, that might be good or bad. If it's not widely adopted, support for it should be removed from all systems, because it's currently just one more place to have a bug.